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Ministry of Truth's avatar

To Trumps Question why Europe isn't giving more: We didn't start this war, we didn't do a coup in Ukraine and we also tend to defer to the US when it comes to selecting who is going to become a member. We also don't want a war with Russia. A lot of Europeans feel pretty similar about this pointless war as the Republican base that Speaker Johnson betrayed. We also have to deal with the energy prices and another refugee crisis on top of the other refugee crisis caused by US foreign policy.

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Jpeach's avatar

75% of U.S. House revealed themselves as Globalists, voting for $60 Billion for Ukraine and then waving Ukrainian flags. Anybody with any common sense knows, most of those Billions will be stolen and laundered back to the Globalist Cabal. $300 million was for Ukrainian border security. Designed to keep potential Ukrainian conscripts from fleeing the Meat Grinder. The DS is in control and they will remind us everyday as they implement their Color Revolution on America.

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Ministry of Truth's avatar

At least the Americans seem to be paying pretty close attention, I think for a lot of Republicans who voted for this it's likely the end of their career. 70% percent of Americans are against this.

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Janet's avatar

I won’t vote for my gop rep. He’s done for me. Not even a poke in the democrat eye vote which my defection from the Dems in 2021 has only produced since then. I’ll call and tell him. My 2 senators are demoRATS.

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NAB's avatar

I can say I was pleasantly surprised by my rep's "no" vote on the bill (now, I know sometimes they "allow" certain reps to vote no in very conservative areas, but still). Claudia Tenney - NY 24. She issued a decent statement too.

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Janet's avatar

I’ve thought that too. The party lets some vote in opposition and then the reps get cover of some sort. I’m in a red district.

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Jamison's avatar

Never thought I’d say this, but I may vote for a Democrat over my Republican representative, Brett Guthrie. Brett has voted against the Republican base at every turn. I’ve had enough.

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NAB's avatar

I know. I keep hearing, "Oh, it would be SO MUCH WORSE with Dems in control of the House." Um. Really? How, exactly? The small consolation with our very small majority has been some of the lesser publicized investigative hearings, but even there, what can we realistically expect in terms of outcomes and consequences?

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Johnny Be Real's avatar

Obama Care makes me think it could be worse. But it doesn’t get better when Rs are in the majority. It only trends downhill with a slowdown when Rs are majority. They never turn anything around to undue what Dems do.

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Roger Beal's avatar

Exactly so: The Dems ARE in control of the House right now, with Schumer-Lite Johnson at the GOP helm.

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daverkb's avatar

This seems to be true.

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Janet's avatar

My gop rep doesn’t seem to know what danger we are all in. He voted for the bill. He’s a legacy rep. His dad was Ray LaHood. All his dad’s cronies have probably trained him. I could get behind old school republican policies but we require much more than that. More MTG please. We don’t have much time. I suppose I may check what his Dem opponent says. The last one was an actual acquaintance of mine so I knew exactly where she stood and I didn’t vote for her. She ran because otherwise there would be no Dem opposition.

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NAB's avatar

Something happens to people when they get to Congress. As we saw during Covid, it is a tiny minority of people who can resist, shall we say "influence."

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AB's avatar

We hear that most of them are captured in some way. The more successful, the more captured. Like Hollywood. I am astounded at how evil things appear ‘at the top’ at this point. Yet most people I know personally are still moral and kind. Praying for a solution

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Concerned mom's avatar

It's called BEING BOUGHT. They get to Congress, and as Tulsi Gabbard explained in Tucker's interview, you get "offered" all kinds of things for your allegiance...

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WP William's avatar

MTG appears to be a safety relief valve for the MAGA Right to vent steam through, what power and influence does she actually wield in Congress other than spectacle for the cameras to focus on?

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daverkb's avatar

I've thought on the your question. And so have many others from my period of 'in the game' some years ago, and as a former Vice Chair of the Constitution Party of Virginia and as someone who continually concerted with local Tea Parties. And after years of deliberation I concluded that when tells the truth, one always wins (even if one loses). There is something good to be said in never giving up on one's principles and Sacred Belief. And

in not caving and walking about on the knees, not giving in an enslaving evil. And with death being preferable to a living death.

I'm sure that Marjorie Tayor Greene could have a far easier time of it by just going along with the tide. But she chooses not to.

Power and influence is not the end and be all in and of itself. And indeed, power and influence without Authority is not to be desired.

There is a lot here on power and influence versus authority. And what is power without a proper authority. Is it anything like where we find ourselves today ... and with the wolf knocking at the door?

https://rumble.com/v4qq8j8-democracy-a-problem-or-solution-joel-saint.html

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Janet's avatar

Correct. She is probably the rage relief for my Dem friends. I’m disengaging more and more from politics. Mostly it’s a dull roar in the background now. I have no idea what to do about all this, but have faith and prepare for the worst unafraid.

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P Flournoy's avatar

I am furious about what happened, but I don’t like MTG either. I think she is just a Showboat.

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Anna T's avatar

Not sure if I "like" MTG or not but I appreciate her guts in continuing to speak out, no matter what. She gets horrifically nasty comments on her Twitter. There are some sickos online, sadly.

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Janet's avatar

Kind of like Rand Paul but he’s calmer.

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Peace's avatar

Perhaps a T Shirt - "More MTG please"

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Janet's avatar

Perhaps. 😀

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daverkb's avatar

I know! And with this Ukraine sell out vote ... and absent any controll of the border, the odds on the total destruction of remnant America has just doubled.

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Roger Beal's avatar

Hello, fellow Georgia voter!

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Susan Seas's avatar

Makes me almost glad I am in a blue sh** hole. At least our “representatives” votes never surprise me or let me down. 😡🙄 What’s worse a Demonrat or a Rhino? A Rhino!!!

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Maggie Think of Me's avatar

REPUBLICAN IN NAME ONLY... not rhino....the animal. Right?

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Susan Seas's avatar

Yes 😅

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Peace's avatar

Is there a list of who voted for/against the Ukraine aid bill? Gonna check on my reps and let 'em know how I feel, yay or nay.

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Robin Greer's avatar

It was truly sickening to watch Congress wave Ukrainian flags and yet if they waved American flags they would have been smeared by the media. Definitely living in the twilight zone.

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NAB's avatar

The flag waving really got to me too. And it was a straight up thumb in our eye. They knew how it looked and did it anyway.

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Robin Greer's avatar

Reminds me of San Fran Nan tearing up the State of the Union. The sentiment is "And what are you going to do about it?"

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Roger Beal's avatar

On par with the Handmaiden's Tale Democrat claque of female Congresspersons all showing up in white outfits for DJT's last SOTU.

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taxpayer's avatar

"Billions will be stolen." Actually, it was all stolen. Billions will be stolen again.

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NAB's avatar

Add to this betrayal, the tantrum resignations of GOP members leaving us with no majority. They really do hate their voters.

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RU's avatar

The waving of the little flags is really the icing on the cake. Like giving Americans the finger as they drive away with our stolen money and our future in flames. I think: they can't possibly think they're doing the right thing, can they? But then I remember Mao, Stalin, Hitler, all of them thought they were doing the right thing. Evil is slippery like that.

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The Keys's avatar

Actually, the money for wars is printed. Please read David Roger Webb free book “The Great Taking.” There’s also a video. Very important info there from the Tucker Carlson of the business world.

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daverkb's avatar

Yeah! Voting signaling a Death Wish for America.

Not a penny for Our Border. But I hear $300 million for 'watching' (whatever the means) the Ukrainian border.

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Leskunque Lepew's avatar

Now you know who they represent. Vote 3rd, 4th even 5th party.

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Joseph Kaplan's avatar

You realize those parties are worse

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Kathleen Janoski's avatar

Thank you for the European perspective.

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Astragale's avatar

Most Europeans (in my view as a Brit living in Europe) swallow the propaganda that Putin just wants to conquer Ukraine then he’s coming for Europe.

The TV shows the war 24/7.

Most Europeans also think - they just do! - that America should win the war for Ukraine & Europe.

A friend said the other day that it was ‘terrible’ that the US hadn’t approved yet more billions for Zelensky. I said: ´Really? And why should US taxpayers send more billions to Ukraine?´

He just looked blank. Hadn’t occurred to him. He just thought.....America should pay.

LOTS of Europeans moan about America while viewing America as the world’s daddy who should fix things & pay for things.....

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RunningLogic's avatar

Yes, I see it that way too. I have lived in Europe and still have many friends and also some family there, so I hear their perspective and read the various news outlets too. Then they have the gall to mock and deride us for not having their government social “safety net” benefits (not that I think those would be a good idea since our federal government mismanages everything) while they have money to spend on theirs partly because they spend less on defense. They get angry at us for our hegemony and wanting to impose things on other countries. Can’t have it both ways, sorry.

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Karen Bandy's avatar

You mean sugar daddy 😏

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walk2write's avatar

Europe has been conditioned to suckling from America’s teat because of the Marshall Plan, which also fed and fattened many American companies involved in the rebuild after WW2.

“The Marshall Plan (officially the European Recovery Program, ERP) was an American initiative enacted in 1948 to provide foreign aid to Western Europe. The United States transferred $13.3 billion (equivalent to $173 billion in 2023) in economic recovery programs to Western European economies”... Wikipedia

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Astragale's avatar

Yes, agreed - Europeans saw America pay to rebuild Europe after the war. But the present generations of young & middle-aged people don’t have much (hardly any!) awareness of that huge flood of money coming in after the war.

There’s a more general view of America as (still - despite everything) rich & powerful that means many Europeans just think the USA will sort out problems! In the EU people are now hearing leaders talk about strengthening Europe’s defenses, investing in defense & I think people don’t take it very seriously because they simply still view America as ‘the world’s policeman’. At the same time, many in the EU criticize America day in, day out - a bit like adolescents moaning about their dad!

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RunningLogic's avatar

🎯🎯🎯

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Ministry of Truth's avatar

To be fair, that's my perspective. I haven't looked at the polls and most people probably don't know what's going on but most politicians in Western Europe are fully on the Ukrainian aid train, only deterred by the abysmal budgets.

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Kathleen Janoski's avatar

It was good to read your take on things. Hate to say it, but America is on a very fast decline. It is being deliberately destroyed by the neo-cons and that idiot in the White House. Actually, Obama is running this deliberate train wreck.

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The Great Santini's avatar

I don’t think Obama is running the details. But his former staffers are. Bunch of unindicted co-conspirators.

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AngelaK's avatar

There is a big money oligarch behind so much of this. I am tired of bringing this up and will stop bringing up his name. No one can fight him and his influence, so why bother. His son has been handed the reigns now.

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RunningLogic's avatar

Why bother? Sorry, *I* am not giving up. You can if you want. But that is exactly what he or they or whoever is behind all of this wants, and expects.

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AngelaK's avatar

I get it, but how? It is huge. Look what it is doing to Trump. I can't even believe it, I feel so bad for him. I say a prayer daily for him and for the pervasive evil in our country.

I won't give up on prayer. but ultimately that is up to God.

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RunningLogic's avatar

I don’t know how but believe God will show us because He will never let evil triumph.

If we give up, we have zero chances. If we keep fighting, we still have a chance.

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Nita's avatar

Never, never, never give up, as Churchill said.

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Beckadee's avatar

Awesome he has found love with that horse face Huma Abedin. Go figure.

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Robin Esau's avatar

OAN's Channel Rion has a great reporting on this:https://twitter.com/ChanelRion/status/1781674910085001378

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The Keys's avatar

Oh, he absolutely is. But he answers to other people—The Hidden Hand—

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Based Florida Man's avatar

The polls are similar to others in the West... most people are bought into the propaganda of the day pushed by the Mockingbird Media.

That's why (they) want to shut down Internet sources of independent discussion. Hence the TikTok ban included in the Ukraine/Israel aid bill.

Once they nick TikTok, they'll go after twitter.

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Kathleen Janoski's avatar

Once they start censoring, there will be no stopping them.

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Taiga Rohrer's avatar

You used the wrong tense... Once they started censoring, there is no stopping them... One thing that the WuFlu proved for anyone paying attention.

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Astragale's avatar

In France, Rumble has been banned for ages.

Not certain content - the whole PLATFORM.

My guess is the globalists plan to buy/dominate a few platforms & close down others.

Anything outside their control, they want to shut down.

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Kathleen Janoski's avatar

When I was in France I could not access Rumble.

But, this was the decision of Rumble themselves doing it. The French government wanted Rumble to remove some things, and Rumble said "no."

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Ministry of Truth's avatar

I know two men in Ukraine who live in hiding because they don't want to get conscripted and forced into the meatgrinder. They don't want to fight. Why do we?

If the Europeans were serious about the war we would round up every military-age (e.g. younger than Biden), able-bodied Ukrainian who fled West and send those "draft-dodgers" to the front. Obviously that's not palatable. So far it's just money and we can always print more of that apparently.

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Janet's avatar

I’m sure substack is too.

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Based Florida Man's avatar

Absolutely. It's not as big as the others, but the level of Medical Disinformation is intolerable and must be stopped. ;-|

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Leskunque Lepew's avatar

WEF/Euro representatives.

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SM's avatar

I’m still wondering why the silly republicans didn’t see Johnson’s betrayal coming…

Is it pride they are blinded by?

Is it self obsession?

They are all paid actors.

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AnnieMarie's avatar

I’m thinking that dirt was found on Johnson. He’s being blackmailed or threatened. Which come to think of it, is how Congress is run most of the time anyway…

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Robin Greer's avatar

Did this happen when people began to make a career out of being in Congress? The founders didn't intend for people to stay in DC. They were supposed to be there for the minor governmental issues that needed to be addressed in DC. Now we have a Goliath in DC. Most governmental actions were to be taken care of at the state level to prevent this sort of thing. But now we have congressional seats that seem to be owned for decades by the person sitting in them and it seems that they have the power to hand pick their successor. Too much money to be made in the swamp. I saw a meme that said we don't have a representative democracy (republic), we have an auction to the highest bidder.

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RunningLogic's avatar

🎯🎯🎯

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Rosalind McGill's avatar

His eyes aren’t the same, no spark left. What happened?

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Shari Ray's avatar

Congress =Crime syndicate!

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Alan Devincentis's avatar

I’m pretty sure those republicants stepping down are being threatened with death. That’s how the cia works. If you think not,ask Benn or IH. They might know.

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P Flournoy's avatar

Who are Ben and IH

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Special Ted's avatar

They are commenters that disagree with Jeff and most of this community about the facts leading up to, and during the ongoing conflict in Ukraine. Benjamin Two NNs and Iron Horsey. Mr Two NNs is an Army bot and Mr Horsey is his alter ego.

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KaCee McDonald's avatar

He visited the SCIF and got some classified intel. MTG didn’t even bother to go and listen to what they had. 🤷🏼‍♀️

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Anna T's avatar

I still think so much bad stuff happened in Ukraine - and they have the receipts - that the U.S. is being threatened/blackmailed somehow or else Ukraine will release it all. Especially the biolabs and the economic sector.

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P Flournoy's avatar

Well, so it’s the blackmailers running this country!

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ViaVeritasVita's avatar

You also suffered from our blowing up of the Nordstream.

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The Great Santini's avatar

To be honest, the immigration problem has been caused by the EU and its policies.

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Ministry of Truth's avatar

It certainly didn't help, but a lot of the people who are fleeing the middle-east are doing so as a result of US interventions in those countries. Of course the EU is letting a lot of them in and doesn't look to closely who is coming in. Some Syrian refugees were rather surprised to find to find the person from Assads secret police who tortured them living in Germany for example.

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NAB's avatar

I agree to an extent, but Islam itself is also an ideology with conquest at its root. I think there was always going to be an effort to flood European countries with Muslim immigrants - the conflicts in the Middle East just provided cover for it.

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Ministry of Truth's avatar

Also true, and this obviously works a lot better when there is a lot of migrants and no more need to assimilate into the culture. The disdain many in the West seem to have for their own culture also makes fertile ground while the Muslims have raised their own cultural conquest to religious status. Some idiots even proposed that non-Muslims shouldn't eat in public out of respect during Ramadan.

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NAB's avatar

Whoa. That is a new level of cultural self-loathing.

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Roger Beal's avatar

... And the comparative birthrates sure pour fuel on the fire.

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WP William's avatar

This was THE PLAN from the founding of the Globalist Robber-Baron 1944 U.N.

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RU's avatar

I think he's referring to NATO and the dynamic that for the most part Europe does not pay their fair share for NATO membership. The US always ends up carrying the load, especially when it comes to military presence and the costs associated with that. And in this case, the argument is that it's Europe that's at risk, which is why we "need" this war. FWIW, I still think it was the UK that started this war. They've been itching to topple Russia for a long time, and it was their MI6 agent who was meeting with Navalny about overthrowing Putin.

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Ministry of Truth's avatar

Well I'm saying that the European countries will likely not follow the US lead for foreign interventions if they have to not only put up a lot more money but even put troops at risk. This whole Ukraine situation benefits the US the most, the cordial relationship between Germany and Russia was always seen as a problem, the Nordstream II was never turned on and then destroyed, some additional countries have joined NATO, European countries are giving aid to Ukraine to buy US weapons, European countries buy more oil and (liquefied) natural gas from the US and less from Russia, US corporations are slated to benefit from Ukrainian privatizations and the takeover of farmland and other natural resources and EU NATO countries are ramping up their defense spending. Many European politicians have ties to US organizations and very often they will do things that benefit the USA to the detriment of their citizens.

I don't think MI6 does anything without permission from the CIA.

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RU's avatar

I used to think that about MI6/CIA as well, but it's starting to seem like the relationship works the other way around and has for a long time, maybe always. I think the MI6's image as the lackey is stagecraft.

As far as Europe not providing support, that I think, is Trump's point. I don't agree in the least that the US benefits the most from this Ukraine debacle. Clearly Europe does, given the ties to Ukraine and Russia for natural resources. And Russia has been a target of Europe forever, for that same reason. It's telling that those pushing it from the US side are the politicians who are most closely aligned with globalist and European interests.

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Ministry of Truth's avatar

I think we might actually agree, I'm not saying ordinary Americans without an oil derrick or gas field below their property are benefiting either while there are some elites that benefit because their positioning is truly global. The same can probably be said for Russia, the oligarchs are also making out like bandits.

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WP William's avatar

Ukraine IS in part the result of geography and part "Expert" failure in foreign policy in same manner that 2nd World War was, and Korean War, SE Asia, and other conflicts where a Buffer State adjacent to a militaristic resurgent power is targeted, and where standing down to keep the peace is seen as weakness rather than tolerant accommodation. Perhaps Not enough attention was put on this issue 1991-2010, and then Too much (incorrect) attention (CIA meddling, $$$ for US Political Powers, etc) after that. This is a FAILURE of the WEST, more fratricide on massive scale due to fumbling the ball. The NWO Kooks have a plan however, move swarms of non-Western peoples throughout the West in order to fundamentally transform societies and governments. Perhaps Ukraine and Russia can be repopulated with a few million Indians.

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Robin Greer's avatar

I had seen some stories where Henry Kissinger's political policies contributed to much of the post WWII issues. It seems that he really just saw people as pawns and it geopolitical maneuvering was like a game of chess or Risk.

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WP William's avatar

He put the "Dip" in Diplomacy

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Dave aka Geezermann's avatar

Ukraine can be re-populated by Russians. It will be fine as long as the US has no say in it at all.

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The Great Santini's avatar

The Europeans haven’t been supporting their own defense for 75 years. In the 1980’s, at the height of the Cold War, the Germans had 9+ Active Divisions in Europe, the US had 5 (including 3 independent Brigade sized units), the Brits had 1 Active Division. The rest of NATO essentially nothing.

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Dave aka Geezermann's avatar

But the bigger question is who do they need to defend themselves FROM? It is the global regime and the US intervention in foreign governments that has caused all the problems and wars. And the CIA has been instrumental in it.

The USA should not be the "world police", and should not be forcing "democracy" on other sovereign nations.

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Roger Beal's avatar

I wrote this comment to Erick Erickson's sorta-conservative column today. It fits here equally well:

[Erick said] "Our costs would go up more. Our interest rates would go up more. The foreign exchange rates from which we benefit would increase. Our freedom would decline."

If our nation continues its feckless policy of foreign interventionism, picking winners and losers, supporting alliances which should be allowed to expire on their own, the growth of BRICS and the end of the petrodollar's sovereignty will accomplish every point Erick made in that quote. Global leadership is earned, not demanded, not assumed. As in all secular enterprises, the position of global leadership depends on merit, not on entitlement.

If anyone can convince me that America is currently setting a moral and righteous example worthy of emulation by other nations, I'd like to hear your explanation of how promoting deviancy, self-absorption, rampant secularism, and profligate squandering of human and natural resources will attract other nations' people to "the American way of life".

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daverkb's avatar

I spent a lot of time this week-end surveying the political/economic, business and banking dynamics prime moving. We are in a debt trap, one of our own lunatic making. And with certainty, America and its tawdry empire are rip for a fall. The smart money sees this all and is loading up on real money without liability, gold and silver.

The LBME and the COMEX, and I dare say the Fed, have lost control. The gig is up. And the spectacle following the Ukraine package seconds dire prognostications. The world sees it all.

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Ministry of Truth's avatar

You're right of course. In exchange for that the Europeans deferred on all foreign policy decisions regarding the Soviet Union and Warsaw pact to the US. The Soviet Union had a similar strategy, not too arm it's satellites too much because they could rise up against them.

Some in the EU are thinking about setting up their own defensive alliance.

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Principled Pragmatist's avatar

70% of Americans are opposed to funding the Ukraine or Israeli wars. And yet our elected representatives are funding these corrupt wars once again.

We are in no way a Democracy. We are living in a corrupt kleptocracy.

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YYR's avatar

Why did Boris scuttle the peace deal then?

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