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Lee Muller's avatar

"Safe and effective" still means the same thing to me. People were lied to and provided the "safe and effective" script.

https://leemuller.substack.com/p/safe-and-effective-vs-safe-and-effective

Many argue neither safe nor effective for anyone. It is my view, people are welcome to take experimental drugs or treatments so long as they know it's experimental and the known risks and limitations. Safety and efficacy was largely unknown, yet authority figures and institutions continue to follow the script of "safe and effective".

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William's avatar

I would add... and forcing someone else to take an experimental therapy both violates all well established medical ethics and is borderline criminal.

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J Boss's avatar

It's not borderline criminal. It's just criminal. Everyone involved knows about the corruption hiding the true risks and likely deaths and inuries. Everything they did shows a conspiracy to injure and harm.

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Tracy's avatar

You've got that right. No borderline about any of what's happened and is happening. Pure criminal and evil.

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Lee Muller's avatar

Mandates seek to eliminate the control group which is political mad science

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Jon Stephenson's avatar

Good thoughts. The people in the mRNA trials were probably given a thorough informed consent. After EUA, the drug was really almost as unknown and just as risky and they were told "safe and effective" rather than a realistic informed consent.

Risk may be acceptable if it's known and agreed to. Most people had no idea the risk they were taking.

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Roger Beal's avatar

Most people had no idea ... if true that is a loud condemnation of government education. We are surrounded, it seems, by self-absorbed twits who neither can, nor want to, engage reality.

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Tracy's avatar

Nor take the time to actually research a questionable product coming out of pharmaceuticals. I did the research when my gut told me to. Then again I have a brain I put to good use.

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Amuzed_Traveler's avatar

But plenty of time and interest in carefully checking food labels. But pharmaceuticals? No way!

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Tracy's avatar

I know, right. And I'm sure we can completely trust those too. 😂

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Bandit's avatar

Reality isn't fun. 😐

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Annie's avatar

The fact that little information was given, the rush to administer these shots and the evidence of censorship of any contrary narrative should have been enough red flags for everyone to say no.

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Jon Stephenson's avatar

That's what you'd think! I figured uptake would top out at no more than 50%. But that was before the mandates.

Should have been more like 25% or less, but there's a lot of low info people out there

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Lee Muller's avatar

Before mandates, I thought uptake would be 60-70% for high risk groups (elderly and comorbidities), 10% for low risk groups and less than 1% for pregnant/breastfeeding women and for children. I was completely wrong, and so saddened once I learned people I knew had already taken it.

The reason I still speak on this issue is because I know more experimental shots/drugs/treatments are underway, in particular for the flu, combo, or a universal shot.

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Lee Muller's avatar

Agree. Also, was dosage/mix of ingredients experimented with and adjusted before they started administering to young children?

https://leemuller.substack.com/p/did-phase-i-of-clinical-trials-which

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