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PamelaZelie's avatar

The government elite, ours and Ukraine’s, need more blood money in their pockets.

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CMCM's avatar

Problem is, they never ever have "enough" money.

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Benjamin Two N's's avatar

Wars are cheap, right?

Jeff always asks for donations. If you give 5$, why does he keep asking

For more?

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Benjamin Two N's's avatar

Maybe Putin shouldn’t start the war that creates it ;)

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Corkey's avatar

He didn’t. Scumbag Victoria Nukand did in 2014.

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Benjamin Two N's's avatar

She didn’t.

Putin did.

Why do you listen to Scott Ritter?

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Corkey's avatar

Heard this long time ago from others. Not Ritter. Giraldi and McGovern

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Benjamin Two N's's avatar

Which is immaterial.

You’re quoting someone who’s literally the most evil of men.

Maybe take a look at the beam in your own eye before complaining about the twig in someone else’s.

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Corkey's avatar

Take a hike.

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Castelletto's avatar

Nonsense. You're very ill-informed. And do you really think there is anyone on the planet that is more evil than Obama, Biden, Newsome, Clinton(s) and their fellow travelers? Together they've murdered millions at home and abroad, maybe billions if you count the clot shot.

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Benjamin Two N's's avatar

Who said Obama, Biden, Clinton, and news on wasn’t evil?

People who prey on children are.

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Castelletto's avatar

Just pointing out to you that your yardstick is off. Putin presides over a country in which abortion is illegal, sexual perversion is discouraged, and the prevailing religion is Christianity -- not secular humanism, as it is here. Most of the world views the US as a sinkhole of immorality, and the people who have progressively taken charge since Ubu's first election are responsible for fast-tracking the moral degeneration of the US. Europe went down the tubes before us morally and, between Europe and the US, we are responsible for countless wars all over the world, going back more than a century, including the one in Ukraine, the history of which you seem not to know. Putin/Russia made countless attempts to avoid the war and then end it after simply intervening in the dreadful situation in the Russian-leaning Donbass region, and Biden and Brussels spat in their face, first when terms to prevent the conflict were presented by Russia and then, when Kiev was ready to sign a peace deal last spring, Johnson flew in from London and said no way.

While you're at it, look up the history of Sputnik 5, the vaccine that Russia produced and marketed, basically for free, to the entire world, beating Pfizer et. al. to the punch and thereby single-handedly preventing the global monopoly by the mRNA producers that was designed to gain "passport" control over the entire world. Sputnik 5 was modeled on the safe and effective, non-mRNA vaccines that had already been developed for SARS, Ebola, and the like. The Russians thereby scuttled the globalists biggest and most dastardly plan to inject every man, woman, and child on planet earth and subject us to global control.

You'll have to work hard to explain how Putin is responsible for anywhere near the evil that those other leaders are. My advice is to assume you are being lied to by all mainstream sources of information. In fact, start by assuming the opposite is true and then look deeper to see if your assumption might be wrong. You will almost never be wrong from the outset.

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Benjamin Two N's's avatar

Any comment on your false statements?

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Castelletto's avatar

It is true, my memory was faulty, and abortion is not illegal in

Russia. Rather, Putin has been actively discouraging abortion and abortion rates in Russia have plummeted in recent years. The central point being that the

Russian government is pro-life and the American government is now pro-death. The other point being that you might want to be more precise in your thinking, given your quickness to attribute a mistaken statement to a lie rather than error.

Similarly, there is no logical relationship between what Biden says about himself and Russia's religious status. (For the record, Biden is not a Catholic, despite what he and others say, because he has consistently and unrepentantly repudiated core Catholic doctrine.) Nor, as you well know, should you choose to think things through more than you have here, can we expect all practitioners of Christianity to behave according to the faith at all times -- despite the highly questionable nature of the media talking points that you parrot about the current behavior of Russian soldiers.

The sloppiness in your thinking is too plentiful for me to invest any more time and energy in refuting. I can only wish you well and hope, for your sake, that you become more inquisitive and thoughtful about objective reality in the future.

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Benjamin Two N's's avatar

First of all, your statement starts off as a lie. Jeez, atleast try.

Russia has the highest abortion rate in Europe.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion_in_Russia

You can claim Russia's religion is Christianity, but by that token Biden is a pure and honest man because he is a catholic. A "Christian" country is torturing men and women through rape, mutilations, beatings, and murder. Truly Christ-like qualities.

If Sputnik is so safe, why doesn't anyone here get it? The johnson and johnson is a traditional shot, yet it's also not safe. It's called the clot shot for a reason. It's also mandatory and has caused a lot of "suddenly died" in Russia. Putin made the shot mandatory, FYI. I've asked countless Russophiles here if they would get the Sputnik shot and nobody answers up.

"Maxim Churilov, a conscript from the Sevastopol military unit, ended up in intensive care after he was given a coronavirus vaccine. This was announced by his grandmother Irina Churilova, noting that earlier the soldier's written refusal to be vaccinated had not been accepted. However, the press service of the Southern Military District denied information about the incident."

Safe and effective, huh? Where have we heard that before?

Russian Globalists say the Sputnik V can be modified for more "dangerous" covid variants.

Again, where have we heard that before?

Why did Russia scuttle the evil globalist plan to vaccinate everyone when they are mandating their own shot which is killing people?

Putin and Russia made no attempts to avoid the war.

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whyrikkfre's avatar

How much do they pay you and is it in yuan?

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Benjamin Two N's's avatar

You can find out all about my pay scale here: google, 2022 Military pay scale

A Chinese agent wouldn’t be harming their ally, they’d be helping Russia.

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IR's avatar

This whole situation reminds me of the two brothers sitting at the table and the one named Charlie is constantly kicking the other one named David under the table ( NATO expansionism since 90’s) and then David who has had enough and can’t take it anymore finally hits Charlie back and Charlie suddenly screams, “Mommy, David is hitting me!!”

“I think it is the beginning of a new cold war. I think the Russians will gradually react quite adversely and it will affect their policies. I think it is a tragic mistake. There was no reason for this whatsoever. No one was threatening anybody else. This expansion would make the founding fathers of this country turn over in their graves.

"We have signed up to protect a whole series of countries, even though we have neither the resources nor the intention to do so in any serious way. [NATO

expansion] was simply a lighthearted action by a Senate that has no real interest in foreign affairs. What bothers me is how

superficial and ill informed the whole Senate debate was. I was particularly bothered by the references to Russia as a country dying to attack Western Europe.

"Don't people understand? Our differences in the Cold War were with the Soviet

Communist regime. And now we are turning our backs on the very people who mounted the greatest bloodless revolution in history to remove that Soviet regime. And Russia's democracy is as far advanced, if not farther, as any of these countries we've just signed up to defend from Russia. Of course there is going to be a bad reaction from Russia, and then [the NATO expanders] will say that we always told you that is how the Russians are but this is just wrong.” George Kennan, the architect of America's successful containment of the Soviet Union.

We can argue about the democracy in Russia but many European countries went full blown Fascists during covid pandemic, including Canada who froze the bank accounts of the people who went to protest the draconian measures. Democracy! I think Kennan knew what he was talking about. This is exactly what happened over time and now we are paying for it. God job!

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Benjamin Two N's's avatar

Except one brother has been murdering and dominating the other because he believes it's his right. Russia committed a genocide against Ukraine, killing approximately 6 million ethnic Ukrainians because they weren't big on communism.

There is no such thing as Nato expansion. Nobody forces people to join nato, the people desire to join nato because they don't want to get Ukraine'd.

Why did both Finland and Sweden join nato? Because both desire the same thing-peace. Russia forced this situation with it's illegitimate war against Ukraine. Finland was the victim of Russian Imperialism in the winter war. So was Georgia, Moldova, and Ukraine.

The people who run russia now are the same ones who profitted under Communism. Putin was a senior KGB leader.

To say Democracy is advanced in Russia is a bald faced lie.

The communist menace is back. Same flags, same leaders, new allies.

Are you saying a nation's own actions of managing it's internal affairs are so frightening to Russia it has to invade? Ukraine doesn't have the right to make it's own choices? Weird. I've heard that same talk from the vaccinators who said everyone should be vaccinated.

And putin too, who's big on the sputnik shot.

If your friends are China, Iran, North korea, and Russia, you might want to take a look internally and check yourself.

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IR's avatar

What I understood is Russia’s grievances with Ukraine are all the military training and the military equipment provided to Ukraine right on Russia’s border. What looks defensive to one country looks offensive to the other. There were warnings in the past that Ukraine would get wrecked. If you knew your actions would lead to this and how the other side would react why push to that outcome to endanger innocent’s people’s lives?

In the past a Russian journalist could be invited to NBC to present a different point of view, what’s wrong with that? By having a dialog we may come to a mutual agreement and the world would benefit from the cooperation and there will be less hostility in the world. Now they don’t even allow a different point of view from their own citizens, doctors and scientists. That doesn’t look good. We are being severely manipulated to hate each other, whether we are citizens of the same country or not.

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Benjamin Two N's's avatar

Except none of that is Russia's business. It's Ukraine's business.

If we were neighbors and I demanded you get a covid shot for my safety, would that be okay with you? No, and it doesn't in this case.

Russia has no business placing demands on Ukraine. None.

Ukraine is it's own country and has every right to do whatever it wants so long as it doesn't harm Russia.

The Russian invasion and attempted subjugation of Ukraine has failed as Russia hasn't accomplished a single goal yet after 10 months of war and Ukraine has the momentum.

Ukraine wants to join the west because they live next to Russia, just like Sweden and Finland. It's hazardous to not be in Nato because of Russian expansion.

There was also this little incident where Russia murdered 7 million Ukrainians in a genocide known as the Holodmor.

I follow a lot of Russian sources. it helps to know what they are thinking.

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IR's avatar

I get what you are saying but it wasn’t Russia that murdered Ukrainians. It was the Soviet Union and not only Ukrainians. When Stalin was in charge many suffered including some from the Russian land, including Siberia, the territory of Kazakhstan. They all suffered famine. Ukraine suffered the most because they were the richest region for the grain production but I don’t think they were specifically targeted as a nation. Even scholars are arguing among each other and everyone interprets the events differently. Some are saying it was done on purpose and equate it to a genocide, others were saying it was a result of some political interests. I personally think there was definitely some malicious intent but I’m still not sure it was just about ethnic cleansing, I think it has also something to do with whatever economic policies that regime was trying to implement and people suffered as a result. Anyway it was criminal but the higher ups didn’t care. It was a part of the Soviet famine of 1930–1933. I know presently there are some outrageous statements made by some Russian personalities about Ukraine but I believe they don’t represent the views of the majority. Many regular people were never in favor of this war due to the simple fact that a lot of Russians have friends and relatives living in Ukraine.

All of this stems from the distrust between Russia and the West that started during Cold War.

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Benjamin Two N's's avatar

It absolutely was.

Where did the orders come from? The politburo. Where was the Politburo?

Moscow, in Russia. Russia also still claims Ukraine because it was apart of the USSR, just like it also claims the Baltics and Poland.

The makeup of the 1930-1934 Politburo:

Andrey Andreyev=Russian

Lazar Kaganovich-Ukrainian

Mikhail Kalinin-Russian

Sergey Kirov-Russian

Stanislav Kosior-Polish

Valerian Kuybyshev-Russian

Vyacheslav Molotov-Russian

Grigol Ordzonidikidze-Georgian

Janis Rudzutaks-Latvian

Alexei Rykov-Russian

Stalin-Georgian

Kliment Voroshilov-Russian

Out of 11 spots 7 were Russian.

That's a clue.

Who's orders were they acting on? Moscow, in order to punish wealthy Ukrainian Kulaks.

Yes, all regions suffered but there was only one holodmor, intentionally perpetrated by Moscow in order to wipe out Ukrainians. They intentionally stole grain. It's a recognized Genocide.

"Most were never in favor of the war"....so why is it still going on?

Why did all of those former eastern bloc nations dump Russia and join nato?

Poland-Katyn forest, civilian murder and tribunals from 1945-1981

Czech Republic-Prague, 1968

Hungary-Budapest, 1956

Romania-Revolution, 1989, repression

Baltics-ethnic cleansing, terror

I can go on.

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