Curious- are you also noticing an increase in shoulder pain? I know a jab-addict who suddenly started having should pain, and a year plus later had to have a shoulder replacement. Seems odd without an injury or longer lead time of pain(?)
Curious- are you also noticing an increase in shoulder pain? I know a jab-addict who suddenly started having should pain, and a year plus later had to have a shoulder replacement. Seems odd without an injury or longer lead time of pain(?)
Yep! I have worked on probably double the number of frozen shoulders and ‘idiopathic’ shoulder issues. I hate the word idiopathic, it means docs don’t know and can’t be bothered to figure it out. In this case, I mean that there wasn’t an injury that caused the pain. I’m interested to hear what the other massage therapists on here think, too.
Exactly, idiopathic, means some idiot does not understand the pathology.
Range of motion, releasing chonic tension, adjusting fixated joints and suggesting appropriate exercises. There is NOTHING better than standing Gyrotonic exercise, for the most mobile joint in the body, though the learning curve rather steep.
I’m having frozen shoulder issues right now. Not vaxxed. Seeing a massage therapist Tuesday. Any recommendations on how to explain this to the person I’ll be seeing so they can focus on healing me? Thank you so much 🙏
Well massage is as much art as science, and we have all taken different training. So there’s no one technique or anything. I’d suggest telling them that you’ve been diagnosed with this and your goal for the session is to improve mobility in that shoulder, back, and neck. Most massage therapists like knowing what your goal for the session is.
Frozen shoulder affects every muscle on the upper half of the affected side of the body. Neck, upper back, lower back, rotator cuff (obvs), lats, pecs, etc. The shoulder is the most mobile and complicated joint in the body, so when it’s not moving it’s a problem. It’s not a one session and done thing, it can take a while because frozen shoulder is neurological, your body just decides to freeze it up so we have to remind your brain that there’s nothing wrong and it’s ok to use those muscles. Make sure you keep doing stretches and exercises that your PT or chiro have given you, any work that you do in between massages will make a big difference. Good luck!
Valerie, frozen shoulder has anatomical origins that result in neurological complications. Gyrotonic has no close second, have seen and used them all, for 33 years. Weight training by someone who actually has good observational skills. Soft tissue, specific work by someone who actually understands what they are doing. Joint mobilization and manipulation by someone who is skillful...
It’s neuro muscular, so docs can only do so much. It’s more of a chiro/PT/massage thing. Kudos to you for fixing it yourself! Most people need some help.
This is THE BEST thing you can do for you shoulder health! I recommend dead hanging all the time. You don’t have to do your whole body weight, either, although the goal would be to work up to that.
Dead hanging is simply a distraction technique that is quite useful.
Regaining ROM is not accomplished, hence it is palliative and preventive, but not in the same league as Gyro which facilitates complete ROM while articulating the global spine...
Kelli absolutely! I (unjabbed) saw an orthopedic specialist for chronic bursitis in one shoulder a few months after I had gotten over Covid in 21’. I asked the PA if they were seeing any cases related to people having had covid. He said no, BUT definitely YES in the Covid vaccinated.
A lot of unvaccinated people I know, including myself and my young son had left shoulder pain right before getting “sick”…it came out of nowhere and I couldn’t even close my car door… lasted 2 days with ivermectin 🤷🏻♀️
Curious- are you also noticing an increase in shoulder pain? I know a jab-addict who suddenly started having should pain, and a year plus later had to have a shoulder replacement. Seems odd without an injury or longer lead time of pain(?)
Yep! I have worked on probably double the number of frozen shoulders and ‘idiopathic’ shoulder issues. I hate the word idiopathic, it means docs don’t know and can’t be bothered to figure it out. In this case, I mean that there wasn’t an injury that caused the pain. I’m interested to hear what the other massage therapists on here think, too.
I wondered if the root word of idiopathic was “idiot”. Seems about right.
Exactly, idiopathic, means some idiot does not understand the pathology.
Range of motion, releasing chonic tension, adjusting fixated joints and suggesting appropriate exercises. There is NOTHING better than standing Gyrotonic exercise, for the most mobile joint in the body, though the learning curve rather steep.
the word I hate worse than idiopathic is IATROGENIC. @
indeed, they are in the same file folder, both designed to have one look elsewhere. They are stupid word salad, do not drink the kool aid...
Right? Although I do think ‘whoops I messed up and now you have a real problem’ is worse than ‘I have no idea why this happened.’
Ugh, yes.
I’m having frozen shoulder issues right now. Not vaxxed. Seeing a massage therapist Tuesday. Any recommendations on how to explain this to the person I’ll be seeing so they can focus on healing me? Thank you so much 🙏
Well massage is as much art as science, and we have all taken different training. So there’s no one technique or anything. I’d suggest telling them that you’ve been diagnosed with this and your goal for the session is to improve mobility in that shoulder, back, and neck. Most massage therapists like knowing what your goal for the session is.
Frozen shoulder affects every muscle on the upper half of the affected side of the body. Neck, upper back, lower back, rotator cuff (obvs), lats, pecs, etc. The shoulder is the most mobile and complicated joint in the body, so when it’s not moving it’s a problem. It’s not a one session and done thing, it can take a while because frozen shoulder is neurological, your body just decides to freeze it up so we have to remind your brain that there’s nothing wrong and it’s ok to use those muscles. Make sure you keep doing stretches and exercises that your PT or chiro have given you, any work that you do in between massages will make a big difference. Good luck!
Valerie, frozen shoulder has anatomical origins that result in neurological complications. Gyrotonic has no close second, have seen and used them all, for 33 years. Weight training by someone who actually has good observational skills. Soft tissue, specific work by someone who actually understands what they are doing. Joint mobilization and manipulation by someone who is skillful...
I just worked mine out at the gym. Had it years ago and did some research rather than visit a doc that wouldn’t do anything anyway
It’s neuro muscular, so docs can only do so much. It’s more of a chiro/PT/massage thing. Kudos to you for fixing it yourself! Most people need some help.
and that is possible though also problematic as injury is one poorly thought out move away...
Thank you so much 🙏🙏🙏
You’re welcome! Hope it’s helpful.
Everything you described is what’s happening to me. I have more hope now than I did prior to your response and that is huge. 😊😊
I hope it really helps and you get through it quickly!
Hang from a bar (not the cocktail kind). Look this up and how it can benefit shoulders.
This is THE BEST thing you can do for you shoulder health! I recommend dead hanging all the time. You don’t have to do your whole body weight, either, although the goal would be to work up to that.
Dead hanging is simply a distraction technique that is quite useful.
Regaining ROM is not accomplished, hence it is palliative and preventive, but not in the same league as Gyro which facilitates complete ROM while articulating the global spine...
Kelli absolutely! I (unjabbed) saw an orthopedic specialist for chronic bursitis in one shoulder a few months after I had gotten over Covid in 21’. I asked the PA if they were seeing any cases related to people having had covid. He said no, BUT definitely YES in the Covid vaccinated.
what you discovered is inflammation in a joint made worse
Since shoulder problems are common it does not make the specific case that there is a shoulder Quaxcine link...
It is far more likely that we are witnessing a weak link phenomena.
Even though there are predictable repeats.
Could be. Most people have an "Achilles Heel." (Or several.)
And that seems to be what goes first.
A lot of unvaccinated people I know, including myself and my young son had left shoulder pain right before getting “sick”…it came out of nowhere and I couldn’t even close my car door… lasted 2 days with ivermectin 🤷🏻♀️