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RJ Rambler's avatar

I didn't know why ppl keep comparing what we do with "other countries". Show me the stats of their healthy populations. Let's just be naturally wise and healthy for ourselves and I don't give a .... Whatever the rest of the world is doing.

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shayne's avatar

I'm a food label reader, and I buy European produced foods at Aldi. It's eye opening.

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Kate Finis's avatar

I also read food labels avidly - avoiding products with more than 5 ingredients or those with seed oils. But the best way to health via food is to eat foods that don't have labels! I.e., (organic, if possible) meats, eggs and produce.

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Wendy Lemmel's avatar

Buy organic from people you know eg CSAs. Too many commercial companies slap the label on foods that are not truly organic.

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George Burnet's avatar

"Organic" is what we used to call "food".

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Kathleen Janoski's avatar

I try to buy chocolate and cookies only from Europe.

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Susan Seas's avatar

We lived overseas for years and when we moved back my kids wouldn’t eat bread 😅 and I won’t touch American wax, I mean chocolate .

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RunningLogic's avatar

There are very good small craft chocolate makers here in the US but the mass produced stuff (except maybe Ghirardelli) is mostly crap.

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Robin Esau's avatar

The HU brand is so good, and void of garbage. Fairtrade + organic!

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RunningLogic's avatar

Yes! And there are many, many others! Castronovo, Dick Taylor, Amano, Letterpress, to name just a few…

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m cameron's avatar

I read it was listed as very high in heavy metals.

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RunningLogic's avatar

Was that from Consumer Reports?

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m cameron's avatar

Would you believe Consumer Reports?

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Robin Esau's avatar

😳

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Michele's avatar

High lead levels found int he HU brand

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Ripple's avatar

Equal Exchange chocolate rocks!

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shayne's avatar

Same. When I visit home... OMG, the bread is so delicious, and the cheese, I won't get started on the cheese...

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ViaVeritasVita's avatar

Can you not bake your own? Janie's Mill is a regen. ag. farm in Illinois, growing and stone-milling their (many and varied) grains. www.janiesmill.com

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shayne's avatar

How funny you should mention Janie's Mill. I buy wheat for my hens from this mill, have done now for about a year. I like their Organic Red Fife Heirloom wheat, it has high protein. I buy bulk Wheat Montana for my sour dough bread. I haven't bought store bread for about three years now. Cheers.

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Karmy's avatar

Shayne are you in Montana? I’m in SW Montana.

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shayne's avatar

No Karmy, I'm in NE Kansas.

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nancylee's avatar

and sunrise flour mill https://sunriseflourmill.com

which raises and grinds the same heritage wheats still grown in Europe which the US abandoned in the 40's.

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char's avatar

nancylee--There is still a concern since both wheat and corn pollinate in the air. Non organic could easily affect [infect] organic crops.

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ViaVeritasVita's avatar

Thanks NancyLee, I will investigate Sunrise flour mill. I have been lately baking with einkorn flour, grown, milled by Mennonite regent ag farmers in central Pa,. brought to me in Phila suburbs by my raw milk delivery truck.

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nancylee's avatar

LOLOL alas my raw milk truck only brings milk and delish cream

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Pelicanus's avatar

Wax. You're right! Hershey's bars taste like those wax lips we used to eat at Halloween.

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Tom's avatar

And don't get me started on "Fun Size."

It's supposed to be "fun" to get LESS candy?

I wasn't born yesterday.

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ViaVeritasVita's avatar

Right about the wax, IMO. Tastes like that to me. Family brings us lots of Lidl chocolate when visiting from UK

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Dorota's avatar

There is Lidl in USA, and there are products made in Europe.

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ViaVeritasVita's avatar

I know this. A Lidl not far from me. But cost (exchange rate being figured) is much greater. Tariffs perhaps?

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Tom's avatar

So you don't find paraffin delicious?

/sarc-off

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Leskunque Lepew's avatar

Fine & Raw chocolate. Check them out.

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Anita from Tucson - Now In MI's avatar

My favorite cookies are Walkers shortbread.

I can eat only one or two and be satisfied now.

I have bought them at Christmas, or right after when the clearance prices show up, and stocked up for the year, as the budget allows. And the cans are worth saving if you're in to that. :)

Yum.

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ViaVeritasVita's avatar

True Scottish shortbread: proportions of 4,2,1. Nothing else.

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Karen Bandy's avatar

When I ate wheat I made those all the time. Yummy, the buttery taste….

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Susan Clack's avatar

If you want to try making your own, here's a recipe ... Reminds me of "Biscuits With The Boss" from Ted Lasso ....

https://cravingsjournal.com/scottish-shortbread-cookies/

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Lynn46's avatar

Thank you for that. We love shortbread and usuaĺly buy from Cost Plus. I forwarded this to my daughter who is the baker in the family and bakes for everyone for the holidays.

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Anita from Tucson - Now In MI's avatar

Thank you!

I love the title with "better than Walkers" in parentheses.

:)

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SteelJ's avatar

Thanks for that tip. I eat mostly paleo, the non-mostly part sometimes includes cookies. My wife is gonna be on the lookout for Walkers. I'd love to find some where I'm happy with one or two!

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Anita from Tucson - Now In MI's avatar

Don't get me wrong, I can eat more than one or two, lol.

But I take supplements that should be eaten with food, and sometimes I just grab a couple Walkers cookies, and that keeps me from eating more when I'm not really hungry.

Occasionally, I eat FOUR at one time, lol.

But I buy the biggest tins with the most cookies (volume discount) and they last me longer than if I sit down with a smaller pack where I'd probably just eat the whole thing...

INGREDIENTS: wheat flour, butter, sugar, salt.

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Anita from Tucson - Now In MI's avatar

C&C could also be for coffee & cookies...

just saying, so.

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Maggie Think of Me's avatar

TJ Maxx, Marshall's, and Publix are just a few of the stores I know of that carry them..

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jewel's avatar

I found them at Krogers!

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Susan Clack's avatar

My family hosted a foreign exchange student from the Faroe Islands (way back in 1973!). She tasted our chocolate (must have been Hershey's!) and was NOT impressed! She felt bad for us, having to eat that nasty stuff!!

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Truthseeker's avatar

Everything made by Hershey’s now has ‘bioengineered ingredients’

Good luck even finding what that means….

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Kathleen Janoski's avatar

M&Ms also...I always used to have a small bag of peanut M&Ms to stave off hunger pangs...no more.

Bio-engineered ingredients now.

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CMCM's avatar

When I was in high school in the 1960's, I loved Crunch Bars. They're still around....I tried one a few months back and it was horrible, I threw it out after one bite. Maybe it was always that bad....

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Bailey's avatar

Bioengineered typically means GMO, but genetically modified organism sounds creepy & scary. In candies, it's the sweetener, mostly -- granulated sugar made from sugar beets, corn sweeteners, soy oils, canola, and of course all the artificial colors and "natural" flavors may be GMO origin. Note that CANE sugar, made from actual cane sugar plants hasn't gone GMO. Yet.

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Dorota's avatar

GMO

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Karen Bandy's avatar

Watch out for cadmium and lead. It’s in the soil all over the world. I’m simplifying but they can’t do anything about it.

There’s a list, google it. Ghiradell’s 86% is on the current sorta ok list. It’s not great tasting nor does it have great texture. 😢

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char's avatar

Karen. Want to read about testing of chocolates. mamavation.com

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Karen Bandy's avatar

Thanks!

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Leskunque Lepew's avatar

Fine & Raw chocolate.

They have a healthy Nutella product as well as other items

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shayne's avatar

Yes! Yummy.

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JCrutcher's avatar

Lol

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Leo's avatar

European sugar less harmful than American sugar?

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Kathleen Janoski's avatar

I never saw high fructose corn syrup on the ingredients of a European chocolate bar.

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Danielle's avatar

We don’t really have anything here in Australia with HFCS either.

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Leo's avatar
Oct 15Edited

No, me either. Just the regular sugar is sufficiently unhealthy.

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Kathleen Janoski's avatar

Of course...but chocolate would taste terrible without it.

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Leo's avatar

Do you know about Stevia? It sweetens nicely without the downsides of sugar.

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Bailey's avatar

Stevia doesn't need sugar's downsides -- it has plenty of its own. Not the least of which is that its sweet flavor triggers the body to flood insulin into the system ... which isn't needed to balance out what the body perceives as sugar. That insulin circulates, dropping the existing blood glucose level and thereby triggering hunger. Eat more, gain weight. Extra 200 calories a day, one cookie, means 10 pounds gained in a year

If you want something sweet, eat a real cookie. Or if you want to lose weight, try a sour pickle or try several pats of butter instead. Sugar cravings may actually signal a need for animal fats.

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Kathleen Janoski's avatar

Stevia has had its share of problems. It was originally banned by the FDA in the 1990s.

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Kathleen Janoski's avatar

I don't like the way it tastes.

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Dorota's avatar

Because they taste better, and are less sweet?

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Kathleen Janoski's avatar

More flavor...less nasty ingredients.

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Donna in MO's avatar

I am not most of the time, although I should be, except when I shop for my mom. She is allergic to red dye #40 and it's amazing how many products have that in there. Including a calcium supplement. It's a white pill!?

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Stacy's avatar

Yeah, but the right shade of white is crucial… 🙄

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Dorota's avatar

Buying pasta made in Italy means it's non GMO. Mexican made crackers as well.

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Kathleen Janoski's avatar

Trader Joe's pasta is made in Italy...it's the only kind I buy.

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Jeff C's avatar

The point of highlighting "other countries" is it's an obvious example that the food processors are lying. They claim they must put all these additives in food, it's required for whatever reason. Yet in countries where it's illegal they don't.

It's the same with drug prices. When a drug costs 10x or a 100x here what it costs in other countries that's important to know. They aren't losing money in those other countries yet they sell the drug at a fraction of the US cost. It's de-facto evidence the US market is rigged with rampant price-fixing.

How the companies operate in other countries (where they aren't allowed to do what they do here) is hugely important as it demonstrates the corruption of both these companies and the US regulators.

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RunningLogic's avatar

I’ve always heard that it’s because the places with socialized medicine negotiate prices and the drug companies make up for that by charging us more 😕 Because they can.

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ViaVeritasVita's avatar

Our hospital costs factor in hospitals being required to treat the indigent, so those with hospital insurance pay more. Enforced "charity". As I understand it.

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ThreeArchBay's avatar

Yes, it is bankrupting many hospitals...

Destroying America to win elections seems to be a bit of a radical idea... no? And the SMELL!!!

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Jeff C's avatar

IMO that's an excuse that doesn't hold water. Even when the government is actually buying the drugs (i.e. through Medicare) or giant corporations are (insurance companies) we still pay the hugely inflated prices in the US. Only a percentage of the population are paying individually out of pocket and lack negotiating leverage. So it's not just negotiation or those same forces would be at work here, but they aren't.

The prices drug are systematically fixed in the US, and the government not only allows it but it encourages it. Not so in other countries.

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RunningLogic's avatar

I was more saying that they inflate prices here because they have nothing stopping them, contrary to other places where the governments won’t allow it. As you said in your last paragraph—the government here not only allows it but encourages it. And thus the Pharma companies (and those who invest in or have stakes in them) get $$$$$ profits.

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ThreeArchBay's avatar

Yes, drug pricing is such an appalling scam... very similar to the entire Oncology matrix of greed and graft...

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Tom's avatar

Proverbs 20:23 (ESV)

"Unequal weights are an abomination to the Lord, and false scales are not good."

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MaryAnn's avatar

I use a product made by Abbvie. I order it from alldaychemist for $10. In the US, the price is almost $80.

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79SmithW60's avatar

Nailed it!

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Renee Sommers's avatar

Because Americans are always being compared to Europeans. We’re fat, they’re not. It’s all the unhealthy crap in our food. Look back to videos prior to the mid 1980’s. Everyone is thin. When I went to HS in the 70’s we only had 1 or 2 morbidly obese kids in my class. We went to a HS football game a while back, even the cheerleaders were chunky. I try and cook single ingredient foods, but sometimes you want a Ritz cracker, especially if it’s topped with cream cheese and pepper jelly.

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RunningLogic's avatar

They’re getting fatter though. But many countries have a healthier food culture overall than we do. They prefer quality over quantity and take more time to eat and enjoy their food. They cook from scratch more. Not everyone, and there is certainly a recent trend towards more overeating and more junk food/treat foods that used to be more once a week or at most once a day things. More people used pre-prepared foods. But overall most European people have what I think is a healthier attitude with regard to food.

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Donna in MO's avatar

It's hard to compare countries without also comparing the cultures. European countries, who take more time to enjoy their food, like you say, also work fewer hours, do not have an entrepreneurial culture, live in denser neighborhoods where they walk places instead of drive, and have even more social programs than we do. We used to host teens for 2-3 week exchanges from European countries when we had teens at home as part of a non profit exchange program. They were amazed that we didn't walk anywhere, nearly all of them lived in apartments, or in row houses where a backyard didn't even exist. We hosted teens from Ukraine once where they said they couldn't sleep as it was 'too quiet' here. Used to traffic noise, neighbors, etc. None of them went to church, except maybe Christmas and Easter and thought it odd we went every week. Some would go with us, others were like, nah, I'll sleep in.

BUT the US is? (was?) the world's economic engine - going home for a 2 hour lunch in the middle of the day is not productive. Europe turned from religion long before the US, same with declining fertility rates, and labor productivity growth in the US has been more than double that of the eurozone for the past 20 years. I blame socialism. And yet, there is constant carping in the media that we should be 'more like Europe'.

I know it was tough with both of us working, kids at home and trying to make healthy meals at home with all their activities and ours too. But we made it work most of the time, although dinner may have been a turkey sandwich and carrot sticks in the car on the way to practice. And the kids complained that they didn't get to eat all the fast food like their friends did, lol.

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RunningLogic's avatar

Exactly, there are lots of factors in play.

The two hour lunch though, is by and large a thing of the past. Still, Europeans tend to take more time for their food, both preparing and eating. It’s easier for them to do so, but it’s also something they value. Our culture hasn’t seemed to put much of a premium on that for the most part.

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Donna in MO's avatar

Except for barbeque! KC is one of the barbeque capitals of the US and even churches and neighborhoods have barbeque contests. I have never done 'real' competitions, but I know a few who do, KC has several that are part of the 'circuit' - hours prepping and then staying up all night to monitor and so on....When I get my smoker out it's a whole weekend of prep, cook, portion and freeze and then cleanup. Cook enough for a dozen or more dinners plus turkey breasts and brisket for sandwiches.

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RunningLogic's avatar

Oh yes!! That is something quite apart!! 😍 I don’t know if you remember me saying but I lived in KC years ago, for about 5 years. We absolutely loved the barbecue and the barbecue culture. Now here in Indiana, my good friend’s husband participates in competitions and has won quite a few. He makes the best bbq I’ve had since I left KC 🤤😋

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NAB's avatar

And I do think many Europeans get more daily movement - not necessarily rigorous exercise, but just walking.

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RunningLogic's avatar

Yes, they have to put less effort in making sure they move their bodies every day.

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Stacy's avatar

Well, we’re bored. How many of us munch when we’re bored? I know that’s me, right down to the ground (not a long way, I’ll allow). We’ve convenienced the work out of our days so we can spend it all working for Big <insert industry here> and here we are. They don’t have suburbs, so they probably don’t drive everywhere. US vs. Europe is not an equal comparison, true, but it is revealing. I think it would be very useful to compare ourselves to the way we used to live here in these United States.

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RunningLogic's avatar

Yes agreed. Food, especially junk food, is also extremely accessible, it’s absolutely everywhere!

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Fre'd Bennett, MAHA's avatar

Extended trip to Spain and Portugal last December. During the trip I saw ONE fat dude.

He was in my mirror every morning.

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RunningLogic's avatar

😆

I actually have seen more in France than ever, and not only older folks (who if overweight always tended to be on the portly/plump side, not morbidly obese) but younger people too 😕 It used to be just tourists but now locals are starting to be fatter also.

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Marcia's avatar

😂

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Sumter53's avatar

Totally agree with you. It’s worth it to fast often and recognize actual hunger pains. Push the limits of restraint to fully appreciate the taste of excellent food and not cater to the desire for junk food. Of course this does not include young growing individuals who must eat more and more often. We don’t have to stay fat!

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Dorota's avatar

That's because they drive more. They used to walk everywhere. Not anymore.

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RunningLogic's avatar

Yes true. And they eat more. Things that used to be occasional treats are eaten more often.

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Wendy Lemmel's avatar

I shop for wild caught fish.

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RunningLogic's avatar

Yes, supermarkets everywhere tend to have worse quality food and more junk. Certainly I found that in France also. The best is pretty much always from smaller producers and shops.

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Johnny-O's avatar

Yep, for part of my wife's masters thesis she collected old school photos which clearly shows what you describe. Go back to pre 2000 and there were hardly any overweight kids, let alone obese kids.

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Fre'd Bennett, MAHA's avatar

I very specifically remember an incident in 1979.when I was a high school senior and was horrified to find that I was 190 lbs.

My fraternity pic just the next year shows a fit young raconteur - albeit noticeably smug - who held the world by a string.

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Dorota's avatar

It's not only that, you feel better eating that food. When I visit my mom I eat mor , yet I loose weight and never feel stuffed.

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PEL's avatar

I like Trader Joe Golden Round crackers better than Ritz when I need a guilty pleasure cracker.

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Wendy Lemmel's avatar

Maybe comparing with other countries because our life expectancy is going down and theirs isn’t . Maybe because we suffer more chronic diseases? Might be looking for a root cause?

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ThreeArchBay's avatar

Covid death-jabs are the major cause of life-expectancy reversals... and will very likely significantly increase the reversals soon...

https://slaynews.com/news/renowned-scientist-all-covid-vaxxed-will-die-3-5-years/

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Sir Jeff Morency, Ph.D.'s avatar

No one using Frequency Technology needs another death-jab or vaccine of any kind. Check out this vid for more info:

https://www.swisstransfer.com/d/72152c99-9114-4f9d-8ddc-f39cf3bb48c5

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ThreeArchBay's avatar

No one "needs" another death-jab or vaccine of any kind, even if NOT using Frequency Tech.

But it IS very interesting for sure... tho I am not crazy about that link.

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ThreeArchBay's avatar

Could you post the basics? Thx!

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Sir Jeff Morency, Ph.D.'s avatar

The Frequency Technology product in the video delivers frequencies into the body thru wrist strap contacts to destroy viruses, bacteria and parasites in the bloodstream. It typically wipes out clods and flu in about 10 minutes when used at the first sign of symptoms.

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ThreeArchBay's avatar

Link for info and purchase in the USA?

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Verve's avatar

the reason we are comparing is because these companies willfully manufacture two types of the same product - one with poison for us, and one with cleaner ingredients for the EU because unlike us, the EU actually has some food standards for their people. Our food is designed to make us sick, fat and then dead, after of course we've paid millions of dollars to be on lifelong prescriptions to counter the effects of bad food.

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ThreeArchBay's avatar

The depopulation agenda is mostly targeted at Western societies, as they are considered the main impediment to NWO/One World Government...

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Dorota's avatar

It extends expiration date , so it saves them money on discarded products.

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Leo's avatar

...at the same time it shortens our expiration date!

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Emumundo's avatar

Because other countries study the safety of chemicals and conclude that they are not safe for its citizens. We are to compromised to devote time to such silly nonsense.

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Kathy's avatar

It’s important because you can compare the exact same named serial made by the same company in Germany versus the US. Many toxic ingredients are illegal and other countries. So Kellogg’s, for example, will meet the German standards and not put anything poison in their fruit loops. You can see examples of this online. The major food companies were bought by the tobacco companies, RJ Reynolds and Philip Morris. They used the same strategy of hiring scientists to make the food, more palatable and addictive, the same way they made cigarettes more addictive. Of course, we would be better off eating whole foods, and organic foods. But we must get the poison and ingredients off of the grocery store shelves. Even Canada has healthier versions of the same named cereals.

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alongername's avatar

that spelling (error) might be a meaningful one : " Cereal Killers "

also, if you are what you eat ........... fruit LOOPS and POP Tarts seem applicable names

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NewScott's avatar

If no other countries are allowing an ingredient in their food, and the USA is, it should be pretty easy to compare their studies to those here, and come to an honest conclusion. Key word being HONEST.

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char's avatar

However Adele Davis in the 1970s? Said over 400 ingredients do not require listing on the ingredients. Forget the reasoning now, but believe she was correct

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Oregon Kathy's avatar

But actually, that’s the key -.When you see that food producer can make the food in healthy manner, but sells the crap product in the United States.

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Fre'd Bennett, MAHA's avatar

Brings to mind Heinz Ketchup. In Canada it has no high fructose corn syrup, though it does here in the US.

But yet you can buy the non-HFCS version here (it's called Heinz Simply Ketchup) but it's priced 40% higher.

God bless RFK Jr. I'm proud to have supported his campaign. If I vote at all, it will be for him.

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Desert Jewel's avatar

Please vote. This is about so much - health may actually top the list. You have a few weeks yet. Please vote ❣️

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PEL's avatar

And I can’t really taste a difference in the Simply version. So why all the sugar??

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Marcia's avatar

To get our kids addicted. Sugar is HIGHLY addictive!

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Leo's avatar

Right. Why indeed.

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SteelJ's avatar

Not looking at other countries would be ignorant. The way you find what works is look at different approaches and the outcomes that result. One of the many "tells" that the COVID response was a worldwide scam was the attacks on Sweden for not following the herd and locking down. Anyone with a scintilla of intelligence thought "this is great, we'll see how Sweden does, and know if we really needed all the lockdown destruction!". But no, they knew they needed to remove the ability to compare, or be exposed. The best things about the U.S. are remnants of the founders wisdom 250 years ago, like the Bill of Rights. Nowadays you can point to plenty the rest of the world does much better. Including freedom of speech. I look outside the U.S. for credible news reporting, for example. Or more credible, at least.

Re the stats they are doing better, those stats are everywhere. And they spend far less on "health care", even with inefficient socialistic systems. Our health care establishment is so bad, even those crappy systems are far better.

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Johnny-O's avatar

Because other countries are not as disease ridden as are we. Seems like a natural thing to do - try to find correlations and thus causations...

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Evil Harry's avatar

Maybe because the lack of toxins added to other countries food, strongly suggests that the food producers in America, are purposefully making you sick and unhealthy.

It matters.

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Kathy's avatar

And by the way, our health stats are the worst in the industrialized world.

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liz's avatar

Except that Americans pay more for health care than the entire world,and have more chronic illness and are generally MUCH SICKER>

so there are some reasons why we should be interested.

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Angk's avatar

I think the point is that the EU and other countries are growing healthier foods and making healthier products. US citizens are far more unhealthy that other countries. It's a wake up call that we're being poisoned and government agencies sign off on the poison. It is markedly poignant when we see how other nations citizens are healthier.

Food has become a weapon, along with weather, and pharmaceuticals.

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Jamie's avatar

Using the difference between US & other countries as an example for people who don’t understand seems to be a helpful tool at times.

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