Asked my dr to prescribe HCQ and her response was "Our governor won't let us." Six months later, I repeated the request to learn "Mercy Medical won't allow it". I go in to her in a month and will ask again. If I get the same response, it will be time to find a new health care provider as my supply will be low.
Asked my dr to prescribe HCQ and her response was "Our governor won't let us." Six months later, I repeated the request to learn "Mercy Medical won't allow it". I go in to her in a month and will ask again. If I get the same response, it will be time to find a new health care provider as my supply will be low.
So basically, your doctor is really not your doctor. You should say, “well I guess you’re not my doctor then, it’s really the governor and Mercy Medical. You’re just a tech following their orders.” I bet that would make them mad 😬
Yeah, and it will go into your medical record. "Non-compliant" or as I was told 5 years ago, "medication resistant". My PCP who has now moved on to be a vascular surgeon, could not believe the report that my physical therapist wrote about my 3 month stint. The fact that PT was one of the only truly helpful treatments I've ever had did not occur to her. She was shocked. I'm PCPless now and it feels good.
I hate that. “Non-compliant.” Like you’re a toddler or something. Very revealing that it is not a collaboration but a hierarchical relationship. Which I completely disagree with and I think is detrimental to care and outcomes, not to mention dignity.
To be labeled “non-compliant” is in some ways like being labeled a racist. Dig below the surface and it’s almost always just a silly insult. We need to learn to ignore stuff like that. When I was in NP practice I always wrote “declined” rather than “refused” because it was less judgmental. Patients were the ultimate decision-makers in their care and I wanted the chart to reflect that.
And should you consider a malpractice complaint against one of them ... the lawyers who "specialize in malpractice suits" close ranks fast, and tell you you do not have a valid complaint - with no explanation as to why.
Thirty years ago, my sister was in a car accident. She died at the hospital. She was almost 28, healthy, and had her whole life ahead of her. When we got to the hospital, we were told she was brain dead. The hospital hounded her husband to donate her organs before her heart stopped because “the organs start to decay immediately.” He refused. Mom asked for a second opinion. They gave one, but it was an “I concur with the other doctor,” and the doctor who gave it didn’t even come in the room and talk to us. She had swelling in the brain, but they didn’t give her any anti-inflammatories.
We later found out that she had a broken neck, which was surprising since she wasn’t wearing a neck brace, and that the hospital was an organ harvesting one. (Organ harvesting is big business.)
I’d never been that inclined to trust doctors, but that sealed the deal. All of us believed that they let her die in hopes of getting her organs.
Her death broke my parents, although I didn’t realize it until several years later. It almost broke me. Luckily, I had my family. I loved them and vice versa. We bolstered each other up.
So sorry for your tragic loss! To facilitate organ donation, the definition of death was changed to "brain death" because a beating heart is required to keep the organs alive. Organ donation is big business and big money. Sorry I am so cynical, but these last 3 years have solidified my cynicism.
There’s no need to apologize to me. I’m as cynical, if not more so, than you. Truly, I’m with you 100%. The definition of brain dead has not changed for the past 50 years or more. (I think they defined it in the 60s. They make a crap ton of money with organ transplants and donations. It’s a kill Peter to save Paul situation. If people know this going in, that’s one thing, but most don’t.
Oh wow 😢 That is horrible. How heartbreaking for your whole family, and what a betrayal from the doctors and hospital. I’m so sorry you and your family had to experience that 😞
Went to heart doctor about 6 months ago just to get a baseline. My cholesterol was high, which I knew going in.
We chit-chatted and I point blank told him “I don’t like to take drugs, I try to not even take Advil if I can help it”.
He nodded his head and then told me “well, you need to go on statins and they’ve been proven to be beneficial and safe”.
Only reason I’ll go back is to discuss my stress test results, but I’m not taking a damn statin.
I have read some that eating grapefruit daily will fix high cholesterol, but I don’t know for sure. Anyway, I don’t trust them anymore, he should have worked on a plan with me that modified my diet and anything else that would naturally reduce it and let me live with the “risk” of it still be high.
My doc doesn't buy into all this masking/vaccination for covid crap either, but the place he works with will not let him prescribe either one so he can't write the script. This is the #1 reason why DeSantis should make it over-the-counter so people can actually get it. Insurance and medical conglomerates will not allow doctors to write those scripts.
I think Tennessee passed a law to allow Ivm to be sold over the counter. I don't understand why they beat us to it, when Florida is supposed to be the "free" state.
who get billions of $ of government Medicare money which means the government sets the rules and CDC says physicians must follow their protocol...kill ‘‘em with respirators and remdesivir and no ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine. Hospital systems fire or take away medical license of any who go outside CDC protocol. Hospital systems are not going to lose their cash government cow. Remember Covid jab received emergency approval because there WAS NO DRUG IN THE CDC PROTOCOL THAT WORKED.
All of the OTC meds I've ever seen have written somewhere on the packaging or insert not to take if you have xxxx disease, etc. It also says to talk to your doctor before taking any medications. So, they all say stuff like this. HCQ and IVM are VERY safe for most everyone, but some it isn't. Same can be said for Aspirin.
Yes it is true most drugs have lengthy warnings (except mRNA with "intentionally left blank") but as someone who has a lengthened QT interval, I don't rely upon my doctor to decide if I should take a drug which can give me SADS.
Woody, your lengthened QT interval is a clear contraindication and the doctor would not prescribe. But it should be available for others who aren't those rare QTrs like you.
Exactly. I grew up in the Philippines and even though I never contracted malaria, some school mates did. When Covid struck, I was talking to one of them and they laughed at the ban on "hydroxy"...they had taken it as a malarial medication for over 20 years with no side effects. That was one among many things that tipped me off in March 2020 that this was a massive scam.
Since the pharma has immunity with the covid shots, they don't need to list any side effects because with immunity, there are no side effects that will affect the pharma companies.
Skip asking the M.D. (mentally deficient) and order it from an online supplier in India. The majority of pharms are manufactured in countries other than the U.S. so, don't get too overly concerned about where it is shipped from. I have been buying my one pharm that I need from Canada for years now at about 25% the cost of the same thing purchased in the U.S.. Not sure why more people do not go outside the borders for pharm, but here is your chance to try it.
Can you share your source? I’ve been a little afraid to buy IVM & HCQ out of India but I would like to have it on hand instead of relying on the horse paste 🤣
CraigN- I have been ordering from them for years! I first learned about them from an online skincare forum- many of the women were ordering Retin A from them, where it is a LOT cheaper than here in the U.S.
I wonder how it's worked out shipping to someplace like Canada (where I live)? The last time I ordered IVM from abroad, the Canadian Health lunatics seized it at the border.
Not sure why my comment is being posted more than once -- sorry! Just saying I've ordered from Home Lab Veterinary for 2 years now. They're based in Ukraine (!!) but there's never been a problem getting the order cheaply and quickly. They've got pills, paste or liquid: https://homelabvet.com/product/ivermectin-capsules-3mg-50caps/
Agree, our source. However, one large order was labeled “lost” in tracking at NY distribution. Our bad luck, but next was fine. It was post office lost in USA. Hmmm.
You can purchase Ivermectin in the US. I have purchased multiple times. He gets it from India. Totally legit. Fast shipping. Ships discreet. Have been happy every time. You can read all about it here. You can order a full box or half a box. https://www.ivermectin.com
To order drugs from overseas pharmacies (like in Canada) you need a current prescription. Sometimes the wait is pretty long to receive them, but the prices are indeed considerably lower than in the U.S. on certain prescriptions.
I always get a paper script so I can shop around. Yes, it does take several weeks to get your order filled. I didn't say this, but I usually have the script filled at several different pharmacies, so I have enough on hand when I am waiting for my order. Plus, since this is something that I am going to be on for life I don't have to incur an office visit charge just to get a script every year. 😉
I called 4 pharmacies in one city last week so can’t apply this to the entire state. I asked if they had OTC IVM. All said no.
The possibilities?
- They legit don’t have it
- They might have some in-person requirement to respond in the affirmative?
- They might deny having it and not mention the (possible) in-person requirement for requesting it?
- As @KatLee says, they might have a requirement for some form to be filled out and not mention such when a phone inquiry is made?
- Other?
I question not the intent of the new law (to make IVM available OTC) but the execution by pharmacies/pharmacists. Is there availability-fixing afoot? I don’t know. I just found it interesting -and frustrating- to hit a dead end.
Also, just read this “ The bill states that a pharmacist can provide Ivermectin to a patient, who is 18 years of age or older, “pursuant to a valid collaborative pharmacy practice agreement containing a non-patient-specific prescriptive order and standardized procedures developed and executed by one or more authorized prescribers.”
That means that adults can explain their symptoms to the pharmacist, fill out a sheet listing any preexisting conditions and other medications they are taking, and the pharmacist can determine the right dosage.”
A friend used a compounding pharmacy in Lenoir City, Fresh Pharmacy. She said she had to fill out a form, they ordered it for her and she picked it up. I’ve spoke to the pharmacist there before and he was very helpful so you may give them a call and find out what gives. I ordered mine from India before TN passed the law so haven’t had the need to find out. https://freshdrugs.com/
When I go back to my doctor next month (who wouldn't prescribe ivermectin because Advent would let him) I am going to remind him HE works for ME and I don't appreciate Advent dictating my choices of medication.
Joyce...good luck with that. My doctor also works for AdventHealth and says he cannot prescribe because CDC says so.
SO...unless you go to SOLE PRACTITIONER ...good luck.
Doctors work for hospital systems
who get billions of $ of government Medicare money which means the government sets the rules and CDC says physicians must follow their protocol...kill ‘‘em with respirators and remdesivir and no ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine. Hospital systems fire or take away medical license of any who go outside CDC protocol. Hospital systems are not going to lose their cash government cow. Remember Covid jab received emergency approval because there WAS NO DRUG IN THE CDC PROTOCOL THAT WORKED.
Dr. John Thomas Littell has offices in Kissimmee and Ocala. He gave ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine to those with Covid. I recommended many and he prescribed to those as far away as Oregon and Wisconsin.
My doc is with Advent - he is the only one in the large practice who is prescribing Ivermectin. When talking about the Ivm/Covid issue, he said, "What they're doing is criminal"
I left my doctor when she promoted an untested never before administered injection without doing her own research like a good little soldier. There’s your litmus test.
I left my kids’ pediatrician when he prioritized “the community” over his patient. He wouldn’t give a mask exemption and didn’t even want to see, talk to, or examine my 10 year old son about his difficulties wearing a mask.
Asked my dr to prescribe HCQ and her response was "Our governor won't let us." Six months later, I repeated the request to learn "Mercy Medical won't allow it". I go in to her in a month and will ask again. If I get the same response, it will be time to find a new health care provider as my supply will be low.
So basically, your doctor is really not your doctor. You should say, “well I guess you’re not my doctor then, it’s really the governor and Mercy Medical. You’re just a tech following their orders.” I bet that would make them mad 😬
Remember it is easy to make hydroxychloroquine even though fake news says it’s not the same... look it up and don’t forget about quercetin.
Yeah, and it will go into your medical record. "Non-compliant" or as I was told 5 years ago, "medication resistant". My PCP who has now moved on to be a vascular surgeon, could not believe the report that my physical therapist wrote about my 3 month stint. The fact that PT was one of the only truly helpful treatments I've ever had did not occur to her. She was shocked. I'm PCPless now and it feels good.
I hate that. “Non-compliant.” Like you’re a toddler or something. Very revealing that it is not a collaboration but a hierarchical relationship. Which I completely disagree with and I think is detrimental to care and outcomes, not to mention dignity.
To be labeled “non-compliant” is in some ways like being labeled a racist. Dig below the surface and it’s almost always just a silly insult. We need to learn to ignore stuff like that. When I was in NP practice I always wrote “declined” rather than “refused” because it was less judgmental. Patients were the ultimate decision-makers in their care and I wanted the chart to reflect that.
Ha! Ha! 'non-compliant' - 'medication resistant' - 'denier' - and more. All euphemisms for SANE.
I love that!
Most docs have a god complex. They don’t like to be questioned about anything, especially when they are wrong.
And should you consider a malpractice complaint against one of them ... the lawyers who "specialize in malpractice suits" close ranks fast, and tell you you do not have a valid complaint - with no explanation as to why.
Thirty years ago, my sister was in a car accident. She died at the hospital. She was almost 28, healthy, and had her whole life ahead of her. When we got to the hospital, we were told she was brain dead. The hospital hounded her husband to donate her organs before her heart stopped because “the organs start to decay immediately.” He refused. Mom asked for a second opinion. They gave one, but it was an “I concur with the other doctor,” and the doctor who gave it didn’t even come in the room and talk to us. She had swelling in the brain, but they didn’t give her any anti-inflammatories.
We later found out that she had a broken neck, which was surprising since she wasn’t wearing a neck brace, and that the hospital was an organ harvesting one. (Organ harvesting is big business.)
I’d never been that inclined to trust doctors, but that sealed the deal. All of us believed that they let her die in hopes of getting her organs.
That is a heartbreaking story. You are one strong woman to hold all that grief for three decades.
Her death broke my parents, although I didn’t realize it until several years later. It almost broke me. Luckily, I had my family. I loved them and vice versa. We bolstered each other up.
So sorry for your tragic loss! To facilitate organ donation, the definition of death was changed to "brain death" because a beating heart is required to keep the organs alive. Organ donation is big business and big money. Sorry I am so cynical, but these last 3 years have solidified my cynicism.
There’s no need to apologize to me. I’m as cynical, if not more so, than you. Truly, I’m with you 100%. The definition of brain dead has not changed for the past 50 years or more. (I think they defined it in the 60s. They make a crap ton of money with organ transplants and donations. It’s a kill Peter to save Paul situation. If people know this going in, that’s one thing, but most don’t.
Oh wow 😢 That is horrible. How heartbreaking for your whole family, and what a betrayal from the doctors and hospital. I’m so sorry you and your family had to experience that 😞
Yup exactly.
Went to heart doctor about 6 months ago just to get a baseline. My cholesterol was high, which I knew going in.
We chit-chatted and I point blank told him “I don’t like to take drugs, I try to not even take Advil if I can help it”.
He nodded his head and then told me “well, you need to go on statins and they’ve been proven to be beneficial and safe”.
Only reason I’ll go back is to discuss my stress test results, but I’m not taking a damn statin.
I have read some that eating grapefruit daily will fix high cholesterol, but I don’t know for sure. Anyway, I don’t trust them anymore, he should have worked on a plan with me that modified my diet and anything else that would naturally reduce it and let me live with the “risk” of it still be high.
As ‘cat’ replies here, the whole cholesterol thing is a hoax. Don’t worry about those numbers.
They're not interested in your diet! Your diet doesn't help their bottom line.
You too eh? It's a merry-go-round and jumping off is my only option.
Ohhh that’s a great comeback !
My doc doesn't buy into all this masking/vaccination for covid crap either, but the place he works with will not let him prescribe either one so he can't write the script. This is the #1 reason why DeSantis should make it over-the-counter so people can actually get it. Insurance and medical conglomerates will not allow doctors to write those scripts.
I think Tennessee passed a law to allow Ivm to be sold over the counter. I don't understand why they beat us to it, when Florida is supposed to be the "free" state.
Don't complain, if evidence suggests there is more than one "free" state. That, friend, is progress.
Doctors work for hospital systems
who get billions of $ of government Medicare money which means the government sets the rules and CDC says physicians must follow their protocol...kill ‘‘em with respirators and remdesivir and no ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine. Hospital systems fire or take away medical license of any who go outside CDC protocol. Hospital systems are not going to lose their cash government cow. Remember Covid jab received emergency approval because there WAS NO DRUG IN THE CDC PROTOCOL THAT WORKED.
HCQ shouldn't be an over the counter drug as it is not safe for eveyone.
Who should not take Hydroxychloroquine SULFATE?
The following conditions are contraindicated with this drug. Check with your physician if you have any of the following:
Conditions:
-low blood sugar
glucose-6-phosphate dehydrogenase (G6PD) deficiency
low amount of magnesium in the blood
- low amount of potassium in the blood
-porphyria
- anemia
- decreased blood platelets
- low levels of a type of white blood cell called neutrophils
- mental problems
- suicidal thoughts
- alcoholism
- myasthenia gravis, a skeletal muscle disorder
- maculopathy
changes in the visual field
- torsades de pointes, a type of abnormal heart rhythm
- prolonged QT interval on EKG
chronic heart failure
- abnormal EKG with QT changes from birth
- liver problems
- decreased kidney function
- psoriasis
- seizures
- anemia from pyruvate kinase and G6PD deficiencies
- chronic kidney disease stage 5 (failure)
All of the OTC meds I've ever seen have written somewhere on the packaging or insert not to take if you have xxxx disease, etc. It also says to talk to your doctor before taking any medications. So, they all say stuff like this. HCQ and IVM are VERY safe for most everyone, but some it isn't. Same can be said for Aspirin.
Yes it is true most drugs have lengthy warnings (except mRNA with "intentionally left blank") but as someone who has a lengthened QT interval, I don't rely upon my doctor to decide if I should take a drug which can give me SADS.
And you are wiser than half the population that just lined up and accepted the mRNA deaths shots. It is critical to be the advocate of our own health.
Woody, your lengthened QT interval is a clear contraindication and the doctor would not prescribe. But it should be available for others who aren't those rare QTrs like you.
And yet if you go to a country with malaria you’ll be handed it like Candy……
Exactly. I grew up in the Philippines and even though I never contracted malaria, some school mates did. When Covid struck, I was talking to one of them and they laughed at the ban on "hydroxy"...they had taken it as a malarial medication for over 20 years with no side effects. That was one among many things that tipped me off in March 2020 that this was a massive scam.
Since the pharma has immunity with the covid shots, they don't need to list any side effects because with immunity, there are no side effects that will affect the pharma companies.
Skip asking the M.D. (mentally deficient) and order it from an online supplier in India. The majority of pharms are manufactured in countries other than the U.S. so, don't get too overly concerned about where it is shipped from. I have been buying my one pharm that I need from Canada for years now at about 25% the cost of the same thing purchased in the U.S.. Not sure why more people do not go outside the borders for pharm, but here is your chance to try it.
Can you share your source? I’ve been a little afraid to buy IVM & HCQ out of India but I would like to have it on hand instead of relying on the horse paste 🤣
Myself as well as other friends have had good experiences with this place over the years.
https://www.alldaychemist.com/
I've used them. Tip: Order IVM by itself, as I had an order stolen by Customs (FDA). The seller reshipped through Singapore.
I ordered HCQ and Flovoxamine, etc in a separate order.
CraigN- I have been ordering from them for years! I first learned about them from an online skincare forum- many of the women were ordering Retin A from them, where it is a LOT cheaper than here in the U.S.
I wonder how it's worked out shipping to someplace like Canada (where I live)? The last time I ordered IVM from abroad, the Canadian Health lunatics seized it at the border.
Do you know if HCQ and HCQ Sulfate are the same thing?
Looks to be the same.
https://www.drugs.com/search.php?searchterm=hydroxychloroquine&a=1
Do people just make up an rx? They ask for it at checkout.
norstadt- They do ask for it at checkout but I always leave it blank- and have never had an issue with them not filling my order.
I used ivermectin.com
It comes from India but ships from Tennessee or SC.
Yes, this is where I get mine also. Highly recommend!
It arrived quickly, and I am very happy with how they explained the whole process.
www.ivermectin.com
No script required.
Not sure why my comment is being posted more than once -- sorry! Just saying I've ordered from Home Lab Veterinary for 2 years now. They're based in Ukraine (!!) but there's never been a problem getting the order cheaply and quickly. They've got pills, paste or liquid: https://homelabvet.com/product/ivermectin-capsules-3mg-50caps/
Agree, our source. However, one large order was labeled “lost” in tracking at NY distribution. Our bad luck, but next was fine. It was post office lost in USA. Hmmm.
You can purchase Ivermectin in the US. I have purchased multiple times. He gets it from India. Totally legit. Fast shipping. Ships discreet. Have been happy every time. You can read all about it here. You can order a full box or half a box. https://www.ivermectin.com
To order drugs from overseas pharmacies (like in Canada) you need a current prescription. Sometimes the wait is pretty long to receive them, but the prices are indeed considerably lower than in the U.S. on certain prescriptions.
I always get a paper script so I can shop around. Yes, it does take several weeks to get your order filled. I didn't say this, but I usually have the script filled at several different pharmacies, so I have enough on hand when I am waiting for my order. Plus, since this is something that I am going to be on for life I don't have to incur an office visit charge just to get a script every year. 😉
Starting to slowly eliminate paper scripts … computer generated only .
A friend of mine ordered from India and the DEA intercepted it!🤬
Happened to me also. Fortunately the order only had IVM.
The seller reshipped through Singapore, and I got it 3 weeks later.
My orders for HCQ, Flovoxomine etc had no problems. Just put the IVM on it's own order tho.
I called 4 pharmacies in one city last week so can’t apply this to the entire state. I asked if they had OTC IVM. All said no.
The possibilities?
- They legit don’t have it
- They might have some in-person requirement to respond in the affirmative?
- They might deny having it and not mention the (possible) in-person requirement for requesting it?
- As @KatLee says, they might have a requirement for some form to be filled out and not mention such when a phone inquiry is made?
- Other?
I question not the intent of the new law (to make IVM available OTC) but the execution by pharmacies/pharmacists. Is there availability-fixing afoot? I don’t know. I just found it interesting -and frustrating- to hit a dead end.
Also, just read this “ The bill states that a pharmacist can provide Ivermectin to a patient, who is 18 years of age or older, “pursuant to a valid collaborative pharmacy practice agreement containing a non-patient-specific prescriptive order and standardized procedures developed and executed by one or more authorized prescribers.”
That means that adults can explain their symptoms to the pharmacist, fill out a sheet listing any preexisting conditions and other medications they are taking, and the pharmacist can determine the right dosage.”
A friend used a compounding pharmacy in Lenoir City, Fresh Pharmacy. She said she had to fill out a form, they ordered it for her and she picked it up. I’ve spoke to the pharmacist there before and he was very helpful so you may give them a call and find out what gives. I ordered mine from India before TN passed the law so haven’t had the need to find out. https://freshdrugs.com/
So no prescription needed?
No 😃
Yes. You have to fill out some form at the pharmacy and they’ll get it for you..
When I go back to my doctor next month (who wouldn't prescribe ivermectin because Advent would let him) I am going to remind him HE works for ME and I don't appreciate Advent dictating my choices of medication.
Joyce...good luck with that. My doctor also works for AdventHealth and says he cannot prescribe because CDC says so.
SO...unless you go to SOLE PRACTITIONER ...good luck.
Doctors work for hospital systems
who get billions of $ of government Medicare money which means the government sets the rules and CDC says physicians must follow their protocol...kill ‘‘em with respirators and remdesivir and no ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine. Hospital systems fire or take away medical license of any who go outside CDC protocol. Hospital systems are not going to lose their cash government cow. Remember Covid jab received emergency approval because there WAS NO DRUG IN THE CDC PROTOCOL THAT WORKED.
Same here. I'm with Advent. I'm looking for a small practice. Also a compounding pharmacy. They'll fulfill IVM scripts.
Dr. John Thomas Littell has offices in Kissimmee and Ocala. He gave ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine to those with Covid. I recommended many and he prescribed to those as far away as Oregon and Wisconsin.
He is a sole practitioner.
My doc is with Advent - he is the only one in the large practice who is prescribing Ivermectin. When talking about the Ivm/Covid issue, he said, "What they're doing is criminal"
Now THAT is a good doctor!!
I left my doctor when she promoted an untested never before administered injection without doing her own research like a good little soldier. There’s your litmus test.
I left my kids’ pediatrician when he prioritized “the community” over his patient. He wouldn’t give a mask exemption and didn’t even want to see, talk to, or examine my 10 year old son about his difficulties wearing a mask.
Shameless
True Lmoore321…
Just go to FLCC website and get a Dr to write a script for it. F her
Move on Deb
It was time to get a new healthcare provider a while ago don’t even bother going in
Michigan or CA is my guess.