Well, the biggest outrage of the day should be that NY's governor is appealing to allow concentration camps in the state. Of course, we won't see that in the mainstream news or if it _does_ leak out, I'm sure it will be well-spun. But man - the idea that a last minute appeal to have the rights to forcibly detain people for "medical" reas…
Well, the biggest outrage of the day should be that NY's governor is appealing to allow concentration camps in the state. Of course, we won't see that in the mainstream news or if it _does_ leak out, I'm sure it will be well-spun. But man - the idea that a last minute appeal to have the rights to forcibly detain people for "medical" reasons after the last two years should be of concern to just about everyone.
BOBBIE ANNE COX: My case is the entire state of New York, and it's, um, I struck down the quarantine camp regulation that [Governor] Kathy Hochul, her Department of Heath had issued where they could force New Yorkers to either lockdown in their homes or remove them from their homes and lock them up in facilities. I mean, quarantine detention centers, quarantine camps, whatever noun you want to use.
STEVE KIRSCH: At their sole discretion and decision.
BOBBIE ANNE COX: Yes.
STEVE KIRSCH: Of course.
BOBBIE ANNE COX: For however long they wanted, that there was no restriction in that regulation, so they could have literally locked New Yorkers up or locked them down for days, weeks, months.
STEVE KIRSCH: Years?
BOBBIE ANNE COX: Yeah. There was no restriction whatsoever.
STEVE KIRSCH: And the rationale could be pretty much anything, right? They could just do it to misinformation spreaders like myself. So if I lived in New York they could haul me away to a quarantine camp. Would they be able to cut off my Internet, too?
BOBBIE ANNE COX: Absolutely. So the regulation was very, it gave them unbelievable, unfettered power. And it said that the Department of Health could tell you what you could and couldn't do while you were in quarantine, which means, yeah, they could have
taken your cell phone, they could have cut off your Internet access, they could have told you what you could eat or couldn't eat or what medications you could take or couldn't take or had to take. It was very broad power that they gave themselves. And there was no age restriction. So they could have taken you, but they also could have taken your child or your grandchild or your elderly parent. And there was no way to get out of quarantine once they put you in. So I mean, what I mean by that is, you know, we were having oral arguments in front of the judge, and the judge asked the Attorney General's Office, listen, let's say you take a family and you put them into a quarantine facility or a hospital, you know, how do they get out? And the Assistant Attorney General just, you know, said, well, I guess they could hire a lawyer and sue. You know, I mean—
STEVE KIRSCH: Might take four or five years, maybe.
BOBBIE ANNE COX: I mean, no due process.
STEVE KIRSCH: Cost a few million dollars, maybe.
BOBBIE ANNE COX: Yep. Absolutely.
STEVE KIRSCH: At least they could get out.
BOBBIE ANNE COX: [laughs]
STEVE KIRSCH: Assuming that they win.
BOBBIE ANNE COX: Assuming they win their case, right. Right. So it was horrific, I mean, it was complete, you know, authoritarian rule that you know Kathy Hochul and her Department of Health, they literally gave themselves the power. They went around the legislature, this did not go through the New York State Senate or the New York State Assembly. In fact there was a bill that was proposed in the Assembly here in New York for like seven years which was very similar to the regulation, it was a very scary proposed law. But it had no support whatsoever. It literally had not one other New York State Assembly member or New York State Senator that would back it, so the bill went nowhere. Eventually, Nick Perry the assemblyman from New York City who had proposed that bill, eventually he withdrew it. It had zero support.
So what did the Governor do? They changed the language a little bit, they pushed it through the Department of Health, and they made it a regulation. So it was completely unconstitutional. The governor and the Department of Health do not have the power to make law. That is a power that is reserved for the legislature. That's very clear separation of powers in both the United States Constitution, also in the New York State Constitution. Very clear, separation of powers means we have three branches of government, each one stands on its own, they're supposed to be co-equal, and one branch can't go and take the power from the others because then that's tyranny. I mean, that's, you know, the people are the ones who suffer when there is tyranny. So all three branches have to stay in their own lane. But here, I mean, the governor and the Department of Health and the executive branch, supposed to be enforcing the laws that made by the legislature, here they made a law, you know, which they had no authority to do.
So thankfully the judge, New York State Supreme Court Judge Ron Ploetz he struck it down, he said it's unconstitutional, the governor doesn't have the power, the Department of Health doesn't have the power.And he said it's null, it's void, it cannot be enforced. But you know, Kathy Hochul filed a notice of appeal. They want to get the power back. You know, they haven't moved forward with the appeal probably because it's election day coming up next week and they just don't want New York voters to know they want to get this
horrific power back, which is completely unconstitutional, and use tax dollars to fight the appeal. So they haven't actually moved forward with the appeal yet. But you know, we'll see what the election holds next week because if Leticia James, she's running for Attorney General, she wants another four years, if she wins or if Kathy Hochul wins and she's our governor for another four years, you know I'm sure they're going to push forward with this appeal and try and get the power back, ry and overturn the judge's decision, so they can have forced isolation and quarantine facilities in New York State. It's unbelievable. I mean, it's so anti-American.
STEVE KIRSCH: But what happens in the meantime? Are they allowed to do this, like, in the meantime, or, is, did the judge state regulation. Which way is it going?
BOBBIE ANNE COX: Right, so the judge struck down the regulation. So it no longer exists, it is not enforceable.
STEVE KIRSCH: But before he did that, what was the, what would happen if, like, could they have put you in these quarantine camps?
BOBBIE ANNE COX: Oh, for sure. For sure. The regulation had no requirement that they prove that you were sick.
STEVE KIRSCH: Wouldn't it be great if we controlled the governor's office in New York and then we invited Anthony Fauci to give a talk, and then we said, eh, we're going to quarantine you. Forever.
BOBBIE ANNE COX: [laughs] Well, that's what the regulation let them do, right? The regulation—
STEVE KIRSCH: This could be used the other way. I mean, if, if, assuming it was constitutional. Look, even the New York legislature shouldn't have the power to take a citizen and put them in quarantine for an undetermined amount of time. That seems like that would be unconstitutional no mater how you look at it. That no state legislature, Congress can't do it, nobody can do that. Is that right? Unless you rewrote, amended the constitution, essentially. Is that correct?
BOBBIE ANNE COX: Right. So you know we do have a law in New York State, as many states do, which does allow the government to isolate somebody if they are a public health threat. However, that law, which we've had for 70 years here in New York, that law does have a number of due process protections built into it, so that the government can't abuse its power, right? So the number one thing that that law says is you have to prove the person actually has the communicable disease that you think they have. You can't just suspect, well, maybe you were exposed, maybe you weren't, I don't know, but I'm going to issue you an isolation or quarantine order. No. The law is very clear. Step one, the person has to actually be sick. And that law has many other due process protections built in. But another main one there is that it's not that the judge finds that you are harboring a disease, the judge has to find that you are being a nuisance and you are not acting in a manner to protect other people from getting your disease. Right? So they have to have an investigation, according to the law, they have to have an investigation, you have a right to an attorney, there has to be a hearing before a judge, the judge has to issue the decision.
In this regulation, you know, Hochul comes along with her Department of Health and says, well, forget that, we're not going to do that, we don't need to have due process, we're going to pick and choose which New Yorkers we want to lock up or lockdown for as long as we want and we don't have to prove anything. We don't have to prove they're sick, we don't have to prove they were exposed, you know, we're just going to put— and we'll let you know when you can get out.
It was so anti-American, so unconstitutional. The judge struck it down. he said it's null and void. He barred them from enforcing them from enforcing it. So today, as of July 8, 2022, New Yorkers cannot be thrown in detention centers, whatever you want to call them by the Department of Health. They cannot, they no longer have that power. It's shameful that they want to appeal it. It really is shameful. And use tax dollars to do so. You know, clear breach of separation of powers. And clear that they want to completely get rid of our constitution and rewrite it so that they can do whatever they want whenever they to the citizens of New York.
The problem is that if this happens in New York, let's say Hochul wins on Tuesday, election, let's say Leticia James wins, now she's our Attorney General again, Hochul's our governor again and they move forward with the appeal, let's say it's overturned. If we have quarantine facilities in New York State as a new way to contain communicable diseases, that's going to spread across the country like wildfire. Every state's going to turn and say, wait a minute, if New York's allowed to force their citizens into quarantine with no proof and no due process, why don't we do that? Oh, of course we can do it, let's do it! Right? So it spreads, you know, the insanity will then spread across the country and then what do we have? Then we have the United States of America having forced isolation and quarantine facilities. I mean, it's just, it's absurd. It cannot stand. It just. [shakes head]
STEVE KIRSCH: Yeah, there's certainly been a lot of absurd things that have happened in this pandemic that I believe cannot stand. They've been standing for a lot longer than I ever expected. And the more I learn about what's going on and there are all sorts of atrocities that existed for decades and well-known and they're still being pulled off, you know, not to the extent of quarantining people without their consent, but, yeah.
BOBBIE ANNE COX: But I mean it's, you destroy lives, right? You see what the lockdowns did to people. You know. Imagine the government, unelected bureaucrats in the Health Department being allowed to tell people, you can't see your child, you can't go to work, you have to be locked up in this facility until we tell you that you can get out. There was no way to negotiate your way out. You couldn't say, wait a second, hang on a second, I don't have tuberculosis. I'll take a test. You know, I'll prove to you I don't have tuberculosis, or monkey ox. There was a whole long list of diseases that would fall under this regulation. It wasn't just covid 19. You know, tuberculosis, polio, money pox, toxic shock syndrome, I'm not exactly sure how that's communicable. But, you know, Lyme disease. They were really putting anything they wanted on this list and—
STEVE KIRSCH: Quarantining for Lyme disease! Wow.
BOBBIE ANNE COX: That was on the list.
STEVE KIRSCH: Wow.
42:45
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TRANSCRIBER'S NOTES:
See
"Court Strikes Down 'Quarantine Camp' Regulation in New York by Bobbie Anne Cox, Brownstone Institute, August 25, 2022
Oh my goodness. I cannot believe they waited to almost the very last minute to actually file the appeal. Bobbie Anne Cox spoke at a local Rochester conference on Saturday and at that point, I think the State had about 80 hours remaining on the clock to file. Unbelievable. Kathy Hochul is a sociopath - I just don't know what else explains her actions. She will ruin what is left of the state I love (and I DO love it. I don't want to leave it, but she may force us from our home, the place in which my husband and I grew up, the place we raised our 5 kids and the place we had hoped to create a refuge for our family for the long haul).
Have they stated where they will be? I asked because I lived in the poorest County in NYS. I figure they will put them there!! This is the first I’ve heard of it! This is so sickening!! Why won’t anyone stand up to this crap. I’d be outside the Governor’s office!!! I think most of the sleeping people are the age group that could do these kinds of gatherings. I’m too old to do that! But I do call and I will call for this several times! They are turning the unvaxxed people into prisoners is what they are doing, don’t you think?
I watched the video. There HAS to be a special place in hell for Hochul and those pushing so hard for this. If Hochul is successful with this appeal, every New Yorker needs to flee the state.
Well, the biggest outrage of the day should be that NY's governor is appealing to allow concentration camps in the state. Of course, we won't see that in the mainstream news or if it _does_ leak out, I'm sure it will be well-spun. But man - the idea that a last minute appeal to have the rights to forcibly detain people for "medical" reasons after the last two years should be of concern to just about everyone.
Peter Schott, right you are, it is an outrage.
Relatedly:
Q & A WITH BOBBIE ANNE COX, THE NY ATTORNEY WHO STRUCK DOWN GOVERNOR HOCHUL'S QUARANTINE CAMPS REGULATION
Episode #54 Beating Covid in the Courts
https://rumble.com/v1re2si-full-episode-54-beating-covid-in-the-courts.html
Nov 4, 2022
TRANSCRIPT OF EXCERPT
30:25
BOBBIE ANNE COX: My case is the entire state of New York, and it's, um, I struck down the quarantine camp regulation that [Governor] Kathy Hochul, her Department of Heath had issued where they could force New Yorkers to either lockdown in their homes or remove them from their homes and lock them up in facilities. I mean, quarantine detention centers, quarantine camps, whatever noun you want to use.
STEVE KIRSCH: At their sole discretion and decision.
BOBBIE ANNE COX: Yes.
STEVE KIRSCH: Of course.
BOBBIE ANNE COX: For however long they wanted, that there was no restriction in that regulation, so they could have literally locked New Yorkers up or locked them down for days, weeks, months.
STEVE KIRSCH: Years?
BOBBIE ANNE COX: Yeah. There was no restriction whatsoever.
STEVE KIRSCH: And the rationale could be pretty much anything, right? They could just do it to misinformation spreaders like myself. So if I lived in New York they could haul me away to a quarantine camp. Would they be able to cut off my Internet, too?
BOBBIE ANNE COX: Absolutely. So the regulation was very, it gave them unbelievable, unfettered power. And it said that the Department of Health could tell you what you could and couldn't do while you were in quarantine, which means, yeah, they could have
taken your cell phone, they could have cut off your Internet access, they could have told you what you could eat or couldn't eat or what medications you could take or couldn't take or had to take. It was very broad power that they gave themselves. And there was no age restriction. So they could have taken you, but they also could have taken your child or your grandchild or your elderly parent. And there was no way to get out of quarantine once they put you in. So I mean, what I mean by that is, you know, we were having oral arguments in front of the judge, and the judge asked the Attorney General's Office, listen, let's say you take a family and you put them into a quarantine facility or a hospital, you know, how do they get out? And the Assistant Attorney General just, you know, said, well, I guess they could hire a lawyer and sue. You know, I mean—
STEVE KIRSCH: Might take four or five years, maybe.
BOBBIE ANNE COX: I mean, no due process.
STEVE KIRSCH: Cost a few million dollars, maybe.
BOBBIE ANNE COX: Yep. Absolutely.
STEVE KIRSCH: At least they could get out.
BOBBIE ANNE COX: [laughs]
STEVE KIRSCH: Assuming that they win.
BOBBIE ANNE COX: Assuming they win their case, right. Right. So it was horrific, I mean, it was complete, you know, authoritarian rule that you know Kathy Hochul and her Department of Health, they literally gave themselves the power. They went around the legislature, this did not go through the New York State Senate or the New York State Assembly. In fact there was a bill that was proposed in the Assembly here in New York for like seven years which was very similar to the regulation, it was a very scary proposed law. But it had no support whatsoever. It literally had not one other New York State Assembly member or New York State Senator that would back it, so the bill went nowhere. Eventually, Nick Perry the assemblyman from New York City who had proposed that bill, eventually he withdrew it. It had zero support.
So what did the Governor do? They changed the language a little bit, they pushed it through the Department of Health, and they made it a regulation. So it was completely unconstitutional. The governor and the Department of Health do not have the power to make law. That is a power that is reserved for the legislature. That's very clear separation of powers in both the United States Constitution, also in the New York State Constitution. Very clear, separation of powers means we have three branches of government, each one stands on its own, they're supposed to be co-equal, and one branch can't go and take the power from the others because then that's tyranny. I mean, that's, you know, the people are the ones who suffer when there is tyranny. So all three branches have to stay in their own lane. But here, I mean, the governor and the Department of Health and the executive branch, supposed to be enforcing the laws that made by the legislature, here they made a law, you know, which they had no authority to do.
So thankfully the judge, New York State Supreme Court Judge Ron Ploetz he struck it down, he said it's unconstitutional, the governor doesn't have the power, the Department of Health doesn't have the power.And he said it's null, it's void, it cannot be enforced. But you know, Kathy Hochul filed a notice of appeal. They want to get the power back. You know, they haven't moved forward with the appeal probably because it's election day coming up next week and they just don't want New York voters to know they want to get this
horrific power back, which is completely unconstitutional, and use tax dollars to fight the appeal. So they haven't actually moved forward with the appeal yet. But you know, we'll see what the election holds next week because if Leticia James, she's running for Attorney General, she wants another four years, if she wins or if Kathy Hochul wins and she's our governor for another four years, you know I'm sure they're going to push forward with this appeal and try and get the power back, ry and overturn the judge's decision, so they can have forced isolation and quarantine facilities in New York State. It's unbelievable. I mean, it's so anti-American.
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STEVE KIRSCH: But what happens in the meantime? Are they allowed to do this, like, in the meantime, or, is, did the judge state regulation. Which way is it going?
BOBBIE ANNE COX: Right, so the judge struck down the regulation. So it no longer exists, it is not enforceable.
STEVE KIRSCH: But before he did that, what was the, what would happen if, like, could they have put you in these quarantine camps?
BOBBIE ANNE COX: Oh, for sure. For sure. The regulation had no requirement that they prove that you were sick.
STEVE KIRSCH: Wouldn't it be great if we controlled the governor's office in New York and then we invited Anthony Fauci to give a talk, and then we said, eh, we're going to quarantine you. Forever.
BOBBIE ANNE COX: [laughs] Well, that's what the regulation let them do, right? The regulation—
STEVE KIRSCH: This could be used the other way. I mean, if, if, assuming it was constitutional. Look, even the New York legislature shouldn't have the power to take a citizen and put them in quarantine for an undetermined amount of time. That seems like that would be unconstitutional no mater how you look at it. That no state legislature, Congress can't do it, nobody can do that. Is that right? Unless you rewrote, amended the constitution, essentially. Is that correct?
BOBBIE ANNE COX: Right. So you know we do have a law in New York State, as many states do, which does allow the government to isolate somebody if they are a public health threat. However, that law, which we've had for 70 years here in New York, that law does have a number of due process protections built into it, so that the government can't abuse its power, right? So the number one thing that that law says is you have to prove the person actually has the communicable disease that you think they have. You can't just suspect, well, maybe you were exposed, maybe you weren't, I don't know, but I'm going to issue you an isolation or quarantine order. No. The law is very clear. Step one, the person has to actually be sick. And that law has many other due process protections built in. But another main one there is that it's not that the judge finds that you are harboring a disease, the judge has to find that you are being a nuisance and you are not acting in a manner to protect other people from getting your disease. Right? So they have to have an investigation, according to the law, they have to have an investigation, you have a right to an attorney, there has to be a hearing before a judge, the judge has to issue the decision.
In this regulation, you know, Hochul comes along with her Department of Health and says, well, forget that, we're not going to do that, we don't need to have due process, we're going to pick and choose which New Yorkers we want to lock up or lockdown for as long as we want and we don't have to prove anything. We don't have to prove they're sick, we don't have to prove they were exposed, you know, we're just going to put— and we'll let you know when you can get out.
It was so anti-American, so unconstitutional. The judge struck it down. he said it's null and void. He barred them from enforcing them from enforcing it. So today, as of July 8, 2022, New Yorkers cannot be thrown in detention centers, whatever you want to call them by the Department of Health. They cannot, they no longer have that power. It's shameful that they want to appeal it. It really is shameful. And use tax dollars to do so. You know, clear breach of separation of powers. And clear that they want to completely get rid of our constitution and rewrite it so that they can do whatever they want whenever they to the citizens of New York.
The problem is that if this happens in New York, let's say Hochul wins on Tuesday, election, let's say Leticia James wins, now she's our Attorney General again, Hochul's our governor again and they move forward with the appeal, let's say it's overturned. If we have quarantine facilities in New York State as a new way to contain communicable diseases, that's going to spread across the country like wildfire. Every state's going to turn and say, wait a minute, if New York's allowed to force their citizens into quarantine with no proof and no due process, why don't we do that? Oh, of course we can do it, let's do it! Right? So it spreads, you know, the insanity will then spread across the country and then what do we have? Then we have the United States of America having forced isolation and quarantine facilities. I mean, it's just, it's absurd. It cannot stand. It just. [shakes head]
STEVE KIRSCH: Yeah, there's certainly been a lot of absurd things that have happened in this pandemic that I believe cannot stand. They've been standing for a lot longer than I ever expected. And the more I learn about what's going on and there are all sorts of atrocities that existed for decades and well-known and they're still being pulled off, you know, not to the extent of quarantining people without their consent, but, yeah.
BOBBIE ANNE COX: But I mean it's, you destroy lives, right? You see what the lockdowns did to people. You know. Imagine the government, unelected bureaucrats in the Health Department being allowed to tell people, you can't see your child, you can't go to work, you have to be locked up in this facility until we tell you that you can get out. There was no way to negotiate your way out. You couldn't say, wait a second, hang on a second, I don't have tuberculosis. I'll take a test. You know, I'll prove to you I don't have tuberculosis, or monkey ox. There was a whole long list of diseases that would fall under this regulation. It wasn't just covid 19. You know, tuberculosis, polio, money pox, toxic shock syndrome, I'm not exactly sure how that's communicable. But, you know, Lyme disease. They were really putting anything they wanted on this list and—
STEVE KIRSCH: Quarantining for Lyme disease! Wow.
BOBBIE ANNE COX: That was on the list.
STEVE KIRSCH: Wow.
42:45
[END OF EXCERPT]
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TRANSCRIBER'S NOTES:
See
"Court Strikes Down 'Quarantine Camp' Regulation in New York by Bobbie Anne Cox, Brownstone Institute, August 25, 2022
https://brownstone.org/articles/court-strikes-down-quarantine-camp-regulation-in-new-york-state/
Bobbie Anne Cox blogs at
https://attorneycox.substack.com
Ugh NY is such a mess 😕
Give it a year or so and this power could be transferred to the WHO as it tries to take control of public health worldwide.
Oh my goodness. I cannot believe they waited to almost the very last minute to actually file the appeal. Bobbie Anne Cox spoke at a local Rochester conference on Saturday and at that point, I think the State had about 80 hours remaining on the clock to file. Unbelievable. Kathy Hochul is a sociopath - I just don't know what else explains her actions. She will ruin what is left of the state I love (and I DO love it. I don't want to leave it, but she may force us from our home, the place in which my husband and I grew up, the place we raised our 5 kids and the place we had hoped to create a refuge for our family for the long haul).
That insane woman should be isolated in a concentration camp. Horrible person.
Have they stated where they will be? I asked because I lived in the poorest County in NYS. I figure they will put them there!! This is the first I’ve heard of it! This is so sickening!! Why won’t anyone stand up to this crap. I’d be outside the Governor’s office!!! I think most of the sleeping people are the age group that could do these kinds of gatherings. I’m too old to do that! But I do call and I will call for this several times! They are turning the unvaxxed people into prisoners is what they are doing, don’t you think?
Cite the article please
Assuming that was addressed to me. Quick search was easy enough to do:
https://www.ntd.com/gov-hochul-appeals-quarantine-camp-ruling-attorney-says-floodgates-will-open-if-its-overturned_907370.html
I watched the video. There HAS to be a special place in hell for Hochul and those pushing so hard for this. If Hochul is successful with this appeal, every New Yorker needs to flee the state.
I think I saw horns on her head.
Thank you!
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