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All That Jazz's avatar

My son, a Marine, was forced out as a "deserter'- he even had to turn in all his uniforms, which HE had paid for, because they labeled him as a deserter. He was 3 months from completing his contract. March of' 22

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Fre'd Bennett, MAHA's avatar

I'm ashamed to know this about our treacherous government, but not the least bit surprised.

Two of my son's childhood friends from Mass - one an Army Ranger, one a Marine infantryman, were tossed out of the military like last week's smelly garbage.

My own son, an NCO in the Marine Corps, witnessed dozens of Marines who were given a less-than honorable discharge (the usual tactic) for refusing the jab.

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OnTheJump's avatar

For this, and other reasons - is it any wonder young, healthy men and women aren't lining up to join the military, these days?

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My Favorite Things's avatar

The Biden administration wants us to have a weak military for some nefarious reason.

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OnTheJump's avatar

Certainly SEEMS to be the case, right?

Divide and conquer, weaken and destroy.

Ted Cruz has a recent, excellent quote - "would be easier to state what he has done RIGHT, than what he has done wrong, since coming into office. And that is NOTHING!" ( I paraphrase, a bit - but that is the jist of it. I believe he was speaking with Hannity on FOX.

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daverkb's avatar

One unintended consequence of weaponizing 'dishonorable discharges' for reason of 'vaccine' refusal is that the purpose of the discharge category is rendered meaningless by any traditional standard of thinking. A second consequence in issuing such discharges arbitrary and capricious is that smart people will want to avoid the military like the plague. This further degrades and already degrade military.

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Man-i's avatar

definately weaponization and politicization of the jab...

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daverkb's avatar

Yes, even for those who 'saw all this coming' almost none foresaw the immense scale of the across the board onslaught against all of this. Back in 2008, the year I began my public political life, the word 'weaponized' this and that was not even in my mind. The first time I noticed overt weaponization was the IRS persecution of the Tea Parties under Obama and the Fusion Center/Homeland offensive against the Constitution Party, the Green Party and others, probably in 2011. And then it mushroomed, and very noticeably since 2020.

Now the whole world sees what is going on ... as in the United States now in last place on that 'confidence in' chart in today's C & C.

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Man-i's avatar

whats particularly heartbreaking is that so many people are too distracted or stupid or ignorant to resist or be skeptical. If one reads for instance Paul JOhnson's "Modern times" , he documents in meticulous detail the rise of totalitarian movements in the 20th century and how these regimes used every lever of power at their disposal to cajole, brainwash, fool, propagandize people. Lenin in particular was ruthless in using the existing bureaucracy to crush his political enemies. I remember the IRS investigating the so called Tea party. It certainly does seem to have exploded since then. The patriot act was the real enabler.

Soon none of this will matter b/c the US regime is going to collapse in a mountain of debt and hyperinflation

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daverkb's avatar

At the time of 911, I spent hours reviewing the evidence un covered by the many investigators, 911 Truth included. My wife couldn't figure on why I was so 'obsessed' with 911. I said that if 'they' get away with it, 'they' will surely do it again. And next time it will be much, much worse.

Well, 'they' the funding mechanism, the Western Banking Cartel are much smarter that were central bankers of the last century. 'They' might just manage get away with a bait and switch maneuver. HOWEVER, the Walk-Away of the rest of the world is the Big Game Changer. And the credibility of the United States, Canada, the UK, the EU, New Zealand and Australia is at zero. The Western Political Establishment is now a well perceived Clown World ... the whole Ukraine Provocation is showing the Western War Machine as a perceived joke. Russia can produce endless munitions, missiles, tanks and so on ... but the West cannot. And so, it's a pretty bad bad bad to bet on sanctioning and/or a short war if one cannot keep up with the assembly line ... and if what one is producing is not a match as to what a credible adversary can produce.

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Manny's avatar

You’re probably right. It seems clear that the whole Ukraine situation is a giant money, laundering scheme for the Democratic Party donors and away to try to gin up political support for the Biden admin.

It’s almost like they had some kind of strategy meeting and somebody brought up the point that “wars always make presidents more popular “or some stupid historical trope like that and so this group of clueless Oberlin english major grads decided to start a “war” .

Plus these ppl seem to have convinced themselves that Putin is an existential threat to the world

It’s Putin derangement syndrome

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Politico Phil's avatar

The rise of the eastern bloc is a threat to their NWO designs.

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Wolfhound77's avatar

I think that is the plan. It wouldn't surprise me if that lump of trash Biden has already surrendered to Communist China by signing a document placed in front of him by some treasonous WEF acolyte internal to the administration. Biden hasn't had a clue since he was installed. Nothing this administration has done has been a net positive for America, it's all been destructive to the Republic. They have certainly bowed to and helped the Chinese and other assorted tyrannical globalists (Big Tech, WEF, WHO) and there aren't enough lamp posts in DC.

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daverkb's avatar

My question these days is -- do we even have a government anymore? Like most things, it is some other kind of arrangement and somehow they just forgot to tell us about it.

Yes, the punishment for treason and treasonous money laundering? Yes, maybe it should be lamposts!

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Wolfhound77's avatar

We have a "government". Just not the one envisioned by the Founding Fathers. It's fast becoming a dystopian nightmare straight from the pages of 1984, Brave New World, and Fahrenheit 451. When they try to implement digital currency, it's completely over. That moment has to be what gets people off the couches and marching with pitchforks and torches or we'll be nothing but serfs controlled by our social credit scores.

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daverkb's avatar

The question is ... what kind of 'government' and by what criterion, and more importantly by what a priori organizing presuppositions. I am sure that the answers are various and sundry.

Surely though, when a government collapses and all descends into chaos, then there is an absence of government. And for my money, we the Collective West stand at the very edge of that precipice. Chaos, stupidity, clown rulers abound. And the rest of the world already sees this.

And with the Ukraine proxy war, first with the economic war (sanctions) failing miserably, and now with the kinetic hot war a dismal failure, the whole world is beginning to see that it is once thing to take on second rate countries, but another thing to take on a world class military establishment such as is possessed by Russia.

The failed West is now looking, even with its once vaunted military power, more like a paper tiger filled with clown wanna be 'rulers'. Want an example? Well then, I thought it totally shocking that a child-like Ursula von der Leyen, a failure in everything she has ever attempted, could possibly have been considered as the head of NATO! The rest of the choices in consideration were not any better.

It's going to be an interesting rest of the year.

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Wolfhound77's avatar

Yes, I totally agree with you. The west has committed cultural suicide and 70% of the sheep around us don't care as long as Peter (the productive) is being robbed to pay Paul (Free Stuff Army). The school system from Kindergarten to the University level is an unmitigated disaster that has caused irreparable harm to our nation and do nothing but churn out indoctrinated marxists that think 200K a year salaries for working the drive through are a right (I exaggerate slightly). The only way we save the Republic is to get the National government permanently out of our schools, and we start meting out the justice that the communist left so deserves. It needs to be so untenable for them to even exist in our communities that they start to migrate to marxist paradises outside our national borders.

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daverkb's avatar

The best thing long term would be for the United States inc., to go broke and have the Private/Public Partnership's Fascist funding mechanism collapse. And 'the government' be forced to cut back to essential only functions. Truly painful, and a lot of people would die ... and as seen in the Soviet collapse. I would not want to see it, but painfully ... I don't see any way out.

I've been looking into BRICS in Durban, something about a common gold back currency or basket. August 22 to 24 this year. Here's one short thing. Take a look at BRICS. Still a lot of that old Sustainable/Socialist/Marxist jargon. Most of the countries are Marxist/Humanist. China and SA very much so. And the rest is Socialist. I realize this is a bit simplistic. None are as stupidly Woke Insane as is the West

https://www.manoramayearbook.in/current-affairs/world/2023/01/28/durban-to-host-15th-brics-summit-in-august.html

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Politico Phil's avatar

Which is the intended goal of everything they do.

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Sunnydaze's avatar

This is shameful! I am ashamed of those military “leaders”. They aren’t leaders they are cowards! And the American people do not understand or even know what has happened and is still happening!!! This is why 4th of July was different for us this year. We have shame and blood on our hands as a country. This is not the country our service members and founders fought for. Everyone TALKS about how brave our military members are but you think this country would rise up and defend them agains this shameful travesty? Nope! Americans are all talk. This makes me angry. My dad is retired Navy and he’s not happy about this current military. My nephew is active duty and my son was discharged just in the Nick of time right before the phony manmadeupdates. We have been proud of our military. We just aren’t anymore. I don’t know why anyone would join at all anymore. And that is extremely sad. But it’s what “they” want. This was all designed to weaken America and they have succeeded. What a shameful point in history.

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Freedomisnotfree's avatar

Jump on with the Lawsuits !

The good news is he is not dead and does not have myocarditis and a 20 % chance of death in the next 5 years and any other of the thousands of Bioweapon Injection Injuries. You all should be happy and proud as can be! Congratulations, smart, strong man.

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Man-i's avatar

The might have been developed with good intentions but the political class took it , like covid itself, and weaponized it as a political tool to punish dissenting political opinions

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GenEarly's avatar

It was always a Bio-Weapon, Comrade.

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Manny's avatar

You don’t know that for sure. It’s possible that Fauci and his little Cabal were doing this research under the radar and they were in it for the glory. fauci wants to win a Nobel prize.

If you try to invent some thing with the ostensible reason to benefit humanity, and you blow up your neighborhood and kill people that still your fault.

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Freedomisnotfree's avatar

Gen Early knows it for sure because that is what the DOD Contract for the " Counter Measure " Injection says on the actual contract. It is an Experimental Permanent Gene Editing Bioweapon Counter Measure Injection. ( Nothing to do with a " vaccine ". They lied to you. See on odysee.com President of Bayer Pharmaceutical admitting to audience of 6,000. that 95 % of the public would never have taken it if they didn't mislead people.

https://www.bitchute.com/video/GesdwrMev2YL/

Also see Moderna CEO saying same thing on this site or rumble.com

You should look it up before commenting. See Dr. David Martin's Patent and Contract research with ID #'s and look up at the US Patent Online Office yourself. That is how we know things for sure, we follow the paper trail, money trail and dead body trail. This threefold evidence does not lie. After that, it is interesting to check the FOIA Email releases to see what the Bastards themselves ( including Fraudci and Hillary's )were saying about their disgusting acts.

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Katrina the Hurricane's avatar

Yep. And Karen Kingston has documented it very thoroughly. Bioweapon.

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Manny's avatar

I’m completely open to the possibility. I just don’t completely accept this evidence you were presenting. It’s very possible that this was legitimate by medical research being done illegally in a substandard lab by people who thought they were above the law and there was an accident.m

I hope we learn the truth one day

I hope there is justice

I’m medical professional and private practice. I never took any of those shots. I never let any of my children get any of them.

For me, it was simply enough that the government was pushing them

Because anything that the government does always, and everywhere has the exact opposite effect of its intended, or stated effect.

Anytime, a large mass of people wants to do something or things that a certain thing is the right thing to do. They are almost always wrong.

It’s like a law of nature

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GenEarly's avatar

I hope You learn the truth one day. I'm satisfied with my truth of it, expecting gob-mint admissions is irrelevant, but in this case They/Them Admitted it as outlined above.

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Manny's avatar

So do you think this was developed by the chi coms? The US defense dept? And why? Was the intention to intentionally release it to mass murder ppl. It would kill indiscriminately.

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GenEarly's avatar

Fauci up to his eyeballs in Covid/VaXXX Depop as he was earlier with HIV/AIDS Depop.

NIH and especially NIMentalHealth are Mengle Missions of InHumanity/Evil. Fauci worked with UNC Chapel Hill, NC and other Universities on Gain of Function. When that became too broadly known within the Feral Gov Medical Big Pharma Complex research was off shored to Wuhan to continue to completion.

How, Why, and When (exactly) of release is beyond my reading, but there areplenty of MD's and Phd's that have illuminated further. Bill Gates did a "planning session in the fall of 2019 for a Pandemic, purely PHILANTHROPIC of him of course!

USSA Gub-Mint ??? DARPA, CiA, CDC, NIH, whatever, Why? NWO-WEFer Depopulation. The VaXXX was/ is continuing to be the Weapon.

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Politico Phil's avatar

"It’s very possible that this was legitimate by medical research being done illegally..."

Not a criticism but...... Due to the fact that you are a medical professional, you are suffering from cognitive dissonance. As a highly educated medical professional who "knows" his field of expertise, your brain/emotional state has an internal conflict trying to reconcile this new information that is a challenge to your decades long established paradigm of reality. So you try to fit it into your existing paradigm without shattering it. IE, your statement is an excuse.

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Manny's avatar

I completely understand, and I’m very sympathetic to what you were saying, and I am truly open to the idea and possibility that what you’re saying is true. It wouldn’t be the first time that evil people conspired to hurt and maim and kill millions of people.

Gain of function, research has been done all of the world for decades. Just like nuclear physics research has been done ostensibly to create nuclear power plants, but also to create weapons.

You can experiment on viruses in ways that are meant to create better medicines and vaccines but you can also weaponinze them

What doesn’t make any sense to me is that if this was developed as a weapon and was released, it would potentially kill the same people who created it, just as indiscriminately as it kills everybody else

So what’s the point

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Politico Phil's avatar

Point in fact, the so-called "virus" (if it is indeed actually a virus) is not deadly except to immune compromised people like the elderly who would pass if they caught a cold. (I don't believe it is a virus because it is a chimeric, replication defective "pathogen". See Dr. Martin.) This is illustrated by the all-cause mortality records. That is prolly the only statistic that could not be hidden. All through the teeth of the so-called pandemic, all cause mortality did NOT increase. Hello? It was all a psyops smokescreen. What did happen was that somehow the flu and the colds disappeared and were replaced by "covid deaths". Psyops. However, all cause mortality did go up AFTER the shot was rolled out and the all cause mortality rate is STILL increasing as we speak. From the beginning I said to anyone who would listen that they had to pay attention to all cause mortality because that would tell the truth in spite of the narrative being pushed.

Now, because the "virus" was replication defective, there is no way it could spread from a single point around the world as claimed. The only way it could spread as fast as it did was if the "pathogen agent" was manually released into the public simultaneously at different points around the globe. Let that sink in. Call it what you want, virus, poison, parasite, it did not cause an increase in death above expected baseline.

Side note: One reason I do not believe it to be a virus is the fact that the "virus" has NEVER been isolated from an infected individual. Why do you suppose that is?

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Politico Phil's avatar

The real weapon is the death shot.

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Garden Lover's avatar

In March 2020, my mother had a stroke and heart attack that left her paralyzed on her right side, on a feeding tube, and on oxygen. She went into a nursing home and we couldn’t do more than look at her through a window and talk to her on the phone. Within 4 months of being there, she was “exposed” to COVID, along with 20-30 other residents there. My mother tested positive and was asymptomatic, as were most of the residents. All of them were given hydroxychloroquine, vitamins C and D, and quercetin. All of them survived. What was truly deadly wasn’t so much the “virus”, but rather the treatment

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Manny's avatar

I personally had covid in aug 21. My wife and 18 yo son ( at the time ) had it all at the same time

It is definitely a virus and it causes a severe flu like illness that , you are correct, is not mortally dangerous to most

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GenEarly's avatar

The VaXXX is the Bio-Weapon, the Covid was the precusor/ Carrot before the "Stick", Pun intended.

VaXXX Bio-Weapon Declaration in Brevard County, FL. FINALLY!!! All the Truth, Nothing but the Truth

https://cbs12.com/news/local/brevard-county-gop-covid-19-vaccine-bioweapon-gov-ron-desantis-florida-attorney-general-ashley-moody-treasure-coast-july-13-2023

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Politico Phil's avatar

I also had the "virus" about a year ago. I've had worse cases of the flu but the symptoms were weird. I too would thing it was a virus if I didn't know what I've learned.

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Kelly's avatar

The people who developed/created it didnt get the "vaxx". It is believed that many got a placebo. And if I recall correctly, wasnt congress exempt from the "vaxx" mandates?

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Manny's avatar

So you believe that covid19 was an engineered threat ? You think that a group of oligarchs or elites conspired to create this thing and then make a “vax” which is the real killer weapon?

Yes?

I am open to this possibility

Problem is i never had the vax at all and I got covid in aug 21. Its a real illness that is very dangerous to some people.

If klaus schwab got full blown covid 19 it could have killed him.

Why would these elites release something that could hurt themselves?

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Freedomisnotfree's avatar

Interesting you say that about the Law of Nature. 🤔

That perception of yours ( also called " gut feeling " in English North American culture, likely saved you and your children's lives ). 😊🙏

Blessings

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Politico Phil's avatar

Fauci has been a mass murder/sadistic monster for decades and has built his reputation on the dead bodies of tortured children.

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Manny's avatar

Dont disagree

But I think Fauci actually believes he is doing good.

He has no idea of the suffering and grief he has caused . He is in this for the glory ( he dreams of a nobel prize)

He is the very definition of a despot

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Politico Phil's avatar

How do I say this? A sociopathic narcissist does not "believe he is doing good" because he does not care about doing good. Such a person has NO empathy, zero, nothing. He is completely aware of the death and suffering he has caused just as he is completely aware of the suffering he caused little orphan children he was experimenting on decades ago. He just doesn't care - AT ALL. He only cares about what is "good" for him and if he has to slaughter millions to accomplish this, it never even occurs to him that he shouldn't do it. Never even crosses his mind. I know people automatically don't understand this. People have a highly misleading concept that there is a little good in the worst of us. In fact, people expect others to have the same outlook or moral framework, more or less, as they do. Nothing could be further from the truth. When you are dealing with narcissistic sociopaths, you have no idea how they think. Imagine meeting the Devil. Totally evil without any empathy whatsoever. There is NO COMMON GROUND with such people (or with the Devil). (In Christian theology, this understanding is developed in the doctrine of the total depravity of man due to the fall. Which is why only God Himself could save us.)

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Manny's avatar

I disagree with you. As a medical prof i have been aware of fauci for a long time. Fauci thinks he is doing important work that will benefit humanity

Caceascu of romania always said he loved his people and his meant it.

Hitler cared about the german people

Lenin believed in the glorious revolution

Obama actually beleives alot of the nonsense he spews

Thats what makes these ppl so dangerous

They believe their own bullshit

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Politico Phil's avatar

I guess that is one way to frame it. Though I don't know how that changes one's view of them. Are they therefore just innocent victims of their own misunderstanding? Is their defense insanity?

I think what you are missing is an understanding of how narcissists think and operate. A true narcissist is extremely convincing. Just ask any woman who was married to one for decades. They have the ability to convince you that shit is candy. But at the same time, they are fully aware of what they are doing. You might want to have a conversation with a psychiatrist with experience dealing with these people.

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Manny's avatar

Fauci and ppl like him dont scheme to kill people. Fauci thinks he is a hero , a benefactor of humanity. Fauci thinks fauci is a smart effective leader who is willing to make the tough choices. Ppl who disagree w fauci or think hes a bad guy are only behaving that way bc they are jealous or are politically motivated, or they are bad people. If fauci does something are there are bad effects or outcomes well its unfortunate but that is the price we pay to move humanity forward.

I think my view of fauci is correct and this makes him far more dangerous than your interpretation.

This is the very definition of a narcissist and a despotic dictator

Lenin believed that anybody who posed his ideas in the revolution, was against human progress, and did not hesitate to resort to violence

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Politico Phil's avatar

Hmmm...Stalin too? And Hitler? I see where you are going with your logic but I think it is flawed. People like Fauci love to pose as benefactors while they are committing murder behind your back. It stokes their egos which can never get enough. They are much more common even on a personal level than the openly malevolent narcissists like Stalin and Hitler who do not care that people see their true nature. Take a closer look at the subject. It might change your mind. I think you are looking for that "little bit of good that is in everyone." It doesn't exist. Man is only good because of the grace of God and with Him all things are possible.

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Wolfhound77's avatar

He has no idea because he's a psychopath. He's no more than a pathetic serial killer that uses medication (AZT/Vaccines) instead of traditional weapons like knives or guns.

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Manny's avatar

No hes not. He thinks he is doing great things. He thinks he is an accomplished man of science and he thinks he is improving humanities condition. Thats precisely what mskes him so dangerous

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Wolfhound77's avatar

I respectfully disagree. He's like an arsonist that always shows up to a fire trying to be helpful when in reality he's the cause.

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John Cougar Misanthrope's avatar

‘We had to destroy the village in order to save it.”

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Freedomisnotfree's avatar

John,

Did the Brits say that? And what is the meaning?

Was it a plague? Sorry, History not my strong point.

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John Cougar Misanthrope's avatar

It's a Vietnam War-era quote attributed by then Associated Press reporter Peter Arnett to an unnamed U.S. Army officer at the Battle of Ben Tre during the 1968 Tet Offensive. Historian Victor David Hansen, among others, could find no evidence to support Arnett's claim of an officer making such a statement. It became famous as a way to encapsulate the absurdity of modern warfare. It was resurrected more recently after the Battle of Falluja.

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Freedomisnotfree's avatar

Ok, got it. Thank you.

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Politico Phil's avatar

References an event in the Vietnam War

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Wolfhound77's avatar

Yes and a military run psyop.

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Oma's avatar

This is so wrong! So ashamed of our leaders in the military.

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