Jeez egad drat, Armenians are NOT Muslims, period full stop! 🤦 Their troubled history includes the outright *genocide* at Muslim hands, just a short century back 😢
🗨 The Armenian Apostolic Church [...] Part of Oriental Orthodoxy, it is one of the most ancient Christian institutions. The Kingdom of Armenia was *the first state* to adopt…
Jeez egad drat, Armenians are NOT Muslims, period full stop! 🤦 Their troubled history includes the outright *genocide* at Muslim hands, just a short century back 😢
🗨 The Armenian Apostolic Church [...] Part of Oriental Orthodoxy, it is one of the most ancient Christian institutions. The Kingdom of Armenia was *the first state* to adopt Christianity as its official religion under the rule of King Tiridates III of the Arsacid dynasty in the early 4th century.
"As of 2011, most Armenians in Armenia are Christians (97%)[1] and are members of the Armenian Apostolic Church, which is one of the oldest Christian churches."
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According to the Census of 2011, the composition of people identifying with religions in Armenia is the following: Christianity 2,862,366 (99%), of whom 2,797,187 are Armenian Apostolic (97%); 29,280 Evangelical; 13,996 Catholics—both Armenian Catholic Church and Latin Church—8,695 Jehovah's Witness; 7,587 Eastern Orthodox (Russian, Ukrainian, Georgian, Greek); 2,874 Molokan (non-Orthodox Russians); 1,733 Assyrian Church of the East (Nestorian); 733 Protestant; 241 Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints; 23,374 Yazidi (0.8%); 5,146 Pagan (0.2%); 812 Muslim; 5,299 people of other religions (0.2%); 121,587 no response (4.0%).
ETA Just dawned on me: 'tis dazzling illustrative that incompatible religions find 'emselves on the same side of frontline, in a raging existential battle against the evil perversion spreading like a plague.
I took Jeff to be pointing to the combination of two cultural systems, now reacting in tandem to oppose the new, secularist religion. I guess I missed it if he implied Armenians are largely Muslim, but that's a mistake I don't think he could ever have intended.
I think what we're seeing here is the stark, cold fact that those who have been through genocide are hardened in will as well as faith and that it is the softness resulting from comfort and wealth that has turned the largely Christian American culture into weaklings who espouse the church of nice rather than the one founded by the Savior of mankind who said at the time that He brought a sword, not peace.
🗨 Niceness is a perverted inversion of real kindness, in that it is fundamentally self-centred. The objective of niceness is to be liked. True kindness or loving compassion means wanting what is genuinely best for others. True kindness must often necessitate saying “no.” It therefore requires a willingness to accept conflict.
Totally agree with this - most of those I know who play in this space of "nice" and "tolerant" are some of the most unkind and selfish people I know. They wouldn't lift a finger for another person. You won't see them in the soup kitchens any time soon.
Armenian families have been through the fire and are a hard people not to be crossed. Antifa are leftist bullies who will have their asses handed to them if they cross the Armenian immigrant.
Just reread that section and Jeff repeatedly references Muslim parents in the part where he is talking about pushback from the Armenian community, no mention of Christians at all. It certainly makes it sound like Armenians are Muslims, from the wording.
I agree with you on the whole but to me, at the very least, it did sound like he was implying the Armenians were Muslims. That should be clarified, because it sounds like a lot of other people understood the same thing.
Perhaps some Muslim men were also there protesting, and were erroneously identified as Armentian. I saw an American Muslim man interviewed recently on some show, and he expressed the same kind of concerns we all have for what is going on and had started some sort of organization to combat it. Perhaps Muslims are waking up to the dangers to their community as well.
Yes! Forgot to mention that! Sad history but some may have converted. I thought my friend was Muslim for a long time. He looked it. Tall Arab like features fair skin he was super attractive. Thanks been a long time since I thought about him. May reach out see how he is doing.
I heard back. He said he had many friends at that protest but he was not there. They going after the school board to stop the indoctrination. He has two kids in school grade 5 and 8. Says the stuff being taught is ridiculous. Says his family will come visit so maybe I get meet them all. I thought for sure he would have been at the parade protesting but no couldn’t make it.
Very easy on the eyes and very manly sort of guy. It wasn’t meant to be. He had divorced a Cuban woman he has a son here. He moved back to Northern California after his father died. He wanted to be close to his people and wanted to marry his own kind. Oh well. Was a nice friend. I don’t even know if his number is still current going to see if should delete it out of contacts
Ahh, 'forgot to mention that!' Must be no big deal then, just 'sad history' with no relevance in our brand-new brave world. Moreover, 'some may have converted' 🤯😶
No I just simply forgot the history at moment since I have not spoken to my friend in a long time. I saw a movie as well. I just forgot. I am Cuban not Armenian read about the genocide in guns germs and steal but one has limited space for all the information one mind can carry sometimes you just forget.
Happened in Spain many Jews and Muslims were forced to convert or leave or were killed. Not unlikely some have converted and there 811 Muslims per census provided by another c&c reader. So from from a logic perspective to say all Armenians are Christian is not technically correct as there are some may have converted for whatever geopolitical personal or survival reasons.
People forget the travesties Cubans went thru during the Castro revolution I don’t take it personally. They simply just don’t remember or where never told.
I was never educated on the Armenian genocide. I learned it on my own. Is it my fault or does the belittle history? I don’t think so.
Clearly no one learns from history as it repeats itself unfortunately. Maybe 20 years ago I read about the plight of the Armenians I was curious about the culture and history. The book guns germs and steal looks at history from an evolutionary perspective was interesting. I in no way meant to disrespect the history just in my mind I had forgotten that complicated and tragic part. History has so many complicated and hurtful portions remembering isn’t enough the world needs to learn from it.
Jeez egad drat, Armenians are NOT Muslims, period full stop! 🤦 Their troubled history includes the outright *genocide* at Muslim hands, just a short century back 😢
🗨 The Armenian Apostolic Church [...] Part of Oriental Orthodoxy, it is one of the most ancient Christian institutions. The Kingdom of Armenia was *the first state* to adopt Christianity as its official religion under the rule of King Tiridates III of the Arsacid dynasty in the early 4th century.
You are correct.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_Armenia
"As of 2011, most Armenians in Armenia are Christians (97%)[1] and are members of the Armenian Apostolic Church, which is one of the oldest Christian churches."
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According to the Census of 2011, the composition of people identifying with religions in Armenia is the following: Christianity 2,862,366 (99%), of whom 2,797,187 are Armenian Apostolic (97%); 29,280 Evangelical; 13,996 Catholics—both Armenian Catholic Church and Latin Church—8,695 Jehovah's Witness; 7,587 Eastern Orthodox (Russian, Ukrainian, Georgian, Greek); 2,874 Molokan (non-Orthodox Russians); 1,733 Assyrian Church of the East (Nestorian); 733 Protestant; 241 Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints; 23,374 Yazidi (0.8%); 5,146 Pagan (0.2%); 812 Muslim; 5,299 people of other religions (0.2%); 121,587 no response (4.0%).
Thank you for that, I was surprised and confused that people were taking about Armenians being Muslims.
To be fair, it's Jeff who set the tone 😢
ETA Just dawned on me: 'tis dazzling illustrative that incompatible religions find 'emselves on the same side of frontline, in a raging existential battle against the evil perversion spreading like a plague.
You’re right and that was a mistake on his part. Glad for the corrections here and I am sure if he sees them he’ll edit his post to make it right.
I took Jeff to be pointing to the combination of two cultural systems, now reacting in tandem to oppose the new, secularist religion. I guess I missed it if he implied Armenians are largely Muslim, but that's a mistake I don't think he could ever have intended.
I think what we're seeing here is the stark, cold fact that those who have been through genocide are hardened in will as well as faith and that it is the softness resulting from comfort and wealth that has turned the largely Christian American culture into weaklings who espouse the church of nice rather than the one founded by the Savior of mankind who said at the time that He brought a sword, not peace.
🗨 Niceness is a perverted inversion of real kindness, in that it is fundamentally self-centred. The objective of niceness is to be liked. True kindness or loving compassion means wanting what is genuinely best for others. True kindness must often necessitate saying “no.” It therefore requires a willingness to accept conflict.
👌😊
Very true. Niceness is also self-serving often in that it provides a screen for cowardice.
Totally agree with this - most of those I know who play in this space of "nice" and "tolerant" are some of the most unkind and selfish people I know. They wouldn't lift a finger for another person. You won't see them in the soup kitchens any time soon.
Armenian families have been through the fire and are a hard people not to be crossed. Antifa are leftist bullies who will have their asses handed to them if they cross the Armenian immigrant.
I confess to greatly enjoying the video of Antifa punks getting pummeled and beat up. It's about time!
Oh, please, yes Lord! From your keyboard to God’s ears and on to the Antifa asses!
Just reread that section and Jeff repeatedly references Muslim parents in the part where he is talking about pushback from the Armenian community, no mention of Christians at all. It certainly makes it sound like Armenians are Muslims, from the wording.
www.coffeeandcovid.com/p/dad-energy-monday-june-12-2023-c/comment/17219069 😉
I agree with you on the whole but to me, at the very least, it did sound like he was implying the Armenians were Muslims. That should be clarified, because it sounds like a lot of other people understood the same thing.
Looks like your words took the highway straight into Jeff's ear 😉
www.coffeeandcovid.com/p/dad-energy-monday-june-12-2023-c/comment/17219069
Perhaps some Muslim men were also there protesting, and were erroneously identified as Armentian. I saw an American Muslim man interviewed recently on some show, and he expressed the same kind of concerns we all have for what is going on and had started some sort of organization to combat it. Perhaps Muslims are waking up to the dangers to their community as well.
That is certainly a possibility. I wouldn’t be surprised.
This is beautiful. I did not know. Thank you for sharing.
Yes! Forgot to mention that! Sad history but some may have converted. I thought my friend was Muslim for a long time. He looked it. Tall Arab like features fair skin he was super attractive. Thanks been a long time since I thought about him. May reach out see how he is doing.
😂🤣Given that description, I might want to reach out myself.
I heard back. He said he had many friends at that protest but he was not there. They going after the school board to stop the indoctrination. He has two kids in school grade 5 and 8. Says the stuff being taught is ridiculous. Says his family will come visit so maybe I get meet them all. I thought for sure he would have been at the parade protesting but no couldn’t make it.
Very easy on the eyes and very manly sort of guy. It wasn’t meant to be. He had divorced a Cuban woman he has a son here. He moved back to Northern California after his father died. He wanted to be close to his people and wanted to marry his own kind. Oh well. Was a nice friend. I don’t even know if his number is still current going to see if should delete it out of contacts
Ahh, 'forgot to mention that!' Must be no big deal then, just 'sad history' with no relevance in our brand-new brave world. Moreover, 'some may have converted' 🤯😶
No I just simply forgot the history at moment since I have not spoken to my friend in a long time. I saw a movie as well. I just forgot. I am Cuban not Armenian read about the genocide in guns germs and steal but one has limited space for all the information one mind can carry sometimes you just forget.
Happened in Spain many Jews and Muslims were forced to convert or leave or were killed. Not unlikely some have converted and there 811 Muslims per census provided by another c&c reader. So from from a logic perspective to say all Armenians are Christian is not technically correct as there are some may have converted for whatever geopolitical personal or survival reasons.
People forget the travesties Cubans went thru during the Castro revolution I don’t take it personally. They simply just don’t remember or where never told.
I was never educated on the Armenian genocide. I learned it on my own. Is it my fault or does the belittle history? I don’t think so.
🗨 There’s no shame in ignorance, only in complacently accepting it.
Sure! 🙂
That said, grasping at technicalities is—technically 😏—complacency-adjacent.
Clearly no one learns from history as it repeats itself unfortunately. Maybe 20 years ago I read about the plight of the Armenians I was curious about the culture and history. The book guns germs and steal looks at history from an evolutionary perspective was interesting. I in no way meant to disrespect the history just in my mind I had forgotten that complicated and tragic part. History has so many complicated and hurtful portions remembering isn’t enough the world needs to learn from it.