Do not fly Boeing, lol. Instead fly that new Chinese airliner I'm sure it's safe. And put your fellow American neighbors who build Boeing airplanes out of work because the media has whipped you into yet another fearful frenzy.
There were two crashes five years ago that killed 346 people do to a very real design flaw. That flaw was address…
Do not fly Boeing, lol. Instead fly that new Chinese airliner I'm sure it's safe. And put your fellow American neighbors who build Boeing airplanes out of work because the media has whipped you into yet another fearful frenzy.
There were two crashes five years ago that killed 346 people do to a very real design flaw. That flaw was addressed. Do you know how many passengers have flown Boeing since then without dying? Do you have any idea? It's about 8 billion. So the odds of a passenger dying in a Boeing airplane (that was Boeing's fault) over the last five years are *1 in 23 million*.
But lets all panic over a 1 in 23 million chance of dying because the media told us too. The numerical illiteracy in the country is shocking, no wonder things are going to hell in a handbasket.
Apologies if this comes off as harsh but this comment is just foolish. Those are fellow Americans that build those planes.
I am more concerned with the health of all of the pilots. Our f’ing government is so concerned about the safety of the airplanes, but the pilot in charge, not so much. I wonder how many people are aware that the FAA lowered the standards for the pilots annual health exams following the rollout of the experimental vaccine?
🎯🎯🎯 And the fact that the requirements were changed well after the shot roll out proves (IMHO) that they recognized that they were dangerous and feared having a melt down of our transportation system (interesting from a climate crisis’ perspective , isn’t it?)
Do you all know that apparently the pilot EKGs done during the annual exams are transmitted directly to the FDA who determines whether it passes or failed? IDK if the examiner can review as well, or has any role in the decision.
I’m concerned about DEI being more important than merit of the hires & the safety of these flying machines. Damaged pilots are a concern also. Add these concerns to the ordeal of a joke & endurance contest of going thru “security” to board….. it’s not worth it.
I have a friend who’s a swim coach. She was saying that one of the pools where she coaches hired an autistic lifeguard. The problem with that is when she asked him to put the ladder in so some of the older swimmers could climb out of the pool without getting scraped up, the kid froze. My friend ended up doing it herself, but the point is that what will that lifeguard do when (because it’s not an “if” when you’re around a pool) something out of the norm happens? Because certain autistics struggle with anything that isn’t routine. Someone could die, and they’d never admit it was because they hired someone who shouldn’t be in that position in the first place?
Their fix is that the single-point-of-failure they designed into the MAX now has a warning light to let the pilots know that the airplane will be dynamically unstable, should the pilots have to execute a go-around. This way, they won't be surprised when the airplane becomes uncontrollable.
It's not about the probabilities, it's the fact that they now have a culture of failure. These things tend to catch up in industries as unforgiving as aviation.
You make an important point, Tom. It's not really a "fix," is it?
Particularly when you consider the number of DEI "pilots" whose critical-thinking skills leave much to be desired when it comes to executing the necessary go-around.
It has been fixed there needs to be more than one point of failure now. MCAS was designed to prevent a nose high pitch attitude while hand flying the aircraft with the flaps in the up position. Usual operations results in the aircraft rarely or never being in that situation. The first crash was the result of the wrong AOA vane being installed and it gave the wrong information to flight instruments and the crew not flying the aircraft. The second was a bird stile that nocked one of the AOA vanes off.
The max was not dynamically unstable when the MCAS activated. Nor was either crash subsequent to a missed approach. The mcas presented as a stab trim runaway due to AOA failure. Both crashes were very preventable by recognizing the stab trim runaway and deselecting both stab trim cutout switches. Both crews were poorly trained third world airline pilots. U.S crew would have landed those jets. That being said Boeing should never have designed it like that
I agree with your comment. The only thing I'd add is, all those pilots who were forced to take the clot shot, sadly, many of whom are ticking time bombs.
Boeing - I expected more out of the C&C crowd, use your critical thinking skills people. There is 1 accident out of 1.4 million flights. Compared to driving you would have to fly millions of miles a yr to be even at risk. Look up the stats
All of the news has been beathlessly reporting every Boeing mishap for over a year. Some are, actually, pretty routine and don't threaten passengers. Not doors falling off, obviously.
Remember WEF 2030? You won't fly anymore. What a better way to scare people into voluntarily quit flying?
KT, it would appear as if you have not tried booking a flight anywhere of distance recently. It's VERY difficult to find reasonable, let alone desirable, flights to most places (at least that I've wanted to go to) that do not put you on some type of Boeing aircraft. I wanted non-Boeiing flights, but was unable to arrange that for any leg of a recent, multi-destination, round trip. Obviously, I made it back unscathed.
It is safer than driving per 100 million miles. 1.32 fatal accidents driving vs .05 on airlines. And for you to think a Boeing marketing team follows Jeff Childress then you dont know his stack audience very well.
Kathleen other than the door plug on the Alaska jet parts falling off aircraft is not uncommon. The most recent ones you have heard about were on very seasoned aircraft and was an airline maintenance problem not a Boeing problem. That being said Boeing needs get their head out of their DEI butt and get back to quality instead of equity and profits
Yes! I am flying on a couple of those planes today. If you have to go any distance it is usually the best option. A bit of a risk assessment is essential in life but then you have to go on living. If the Covid episode taught us anything, it is that we do not hide in our houses for safety's sake.
Not so foolish. People should expect high levels of performance ... and Boeing now has a well-earned reputation for shoddiness. It is Boeing who is letting us all down.
The United States is failing due to lack of standards in all fields of human endeavor.
Good assessment, Jeff C, but it's not just about the long-ago incident. It's about recent incidents (which, though, may be reported or noticed in a biased manner); DEI air and ground crews and air traffic controllers (not unique to Boeing); and risks we *choose.* In my medical career, I found it both frustrating and fascinating that people might choose to smoke cigarettes while refusing to accept a different, lesser (imho) risk. It also involves feelings of control. We have no control over the safety of the airplanes in which we commit our lives, but we do have a great deal of control over the risks we take when driving a car, so even though statistically flying may be safer, it may not feel that way to the tunas in the flying can. People also rely on black humor, such as making fun of Boeing's incidents, in order to cope with a reality that may otherwise be too dismaying (and may internally apply their opinion of Boeing to all airliners). Finally, I'm America First, but I'm also Quality First and Work Ethic First. It has to be earned. Too many Americans have lost their work ethic and integrity to deserve knee-jerk loyalty.
I don't find it frustrating or fascinating that people would choose to smoke cigarettes while refusing to accept a different, but lesser risk. Makes perfect sense. People actually LIKE smoking. There is a risk/benefit tradeoff. OTOH, a different, lesser risk could be refused without giving up anything desirable. So why not refuse a risk that's all risk, no benefit? My wife and I quit smoking 40 years ago, not because we didn't like smoking, but because we assessed the risk/benefit, which previously FAVORED smoking, had turned against it. I don't regret smoking in my 20s, nor does she. We really enjoyed it, and now, well into our senior years, we're very healthy, showing no signs of damage from the long-ago habit. It would be stupid (for us, since we greatly value our health) to smoke 3 packs a day throughout our adult lives. In our twenties, it was worth it. Also, that was before the cost went through the roof, and before it became impossible to smoke when and where we wanted to.
Thanks for that perspective. I have always been repelled by the smell of tobacco smoke, so it's hard to conceive of it as being enjoyable to breathe it on purpose. I always just saw it as an addictive drug. Those kinds of personal calculations of pros and cons are why the decisions about the Covid injectable products should always have been made by each individual.
Thanks for reading my reply with an open mind, which is not the norm, unfortunately. Yes, believe me, smoking can be very enjoyable. I agree on the jabs. My wife and I never considered them, despite being seniors. Seemed all risk, most likely no reward, given what we knew even before the rollout. Still, I didn't try to talk others out of it, after all, I'm not omniscient and it didn't seem completely impossible SOME people might have avoided a bad bout of COVID if jabbed. Since I didn't know with near 100% certainty, I had no business telling them what to do.
Respectfully, I don’t think this is true, by the numbers. I’m counting 2 Boeing whistleblowers supposedly “offed” (and I have my doubts; not that they were killed but that Boeing did it), I’m pretty sure the Obamas are already past that? Not keeping close track, but didn’t the Kennedys have some bodies in the closet too, and the Bidens? And the Royal family has had some very suspicious deaths connected to their crew as well…I can think of two off the top of my head.
But I understand your sentiment. It’s dangerous standing up for the truth…or even just knowing it.
As a Boeing Brat it is so sad to see the dog pile on a company that had an amazing safety record…until they merged with MD. Several businesses decisions since then including outsourcing parts and assembly have led to most of the part failures as of late ( these were from Spirit assembly in the Midwest , a wholly owned subsidiary of Boeing, but no one knows them so Boeing gets all the negative press) The MCAS problem was a known design flaw and as such should have been litigated as such. What a waste of a once great company. I’m devastated by the loss of life. Crushed by the hate being spewed towards those who are just trying to make an honest living by my C&C tribe.
I have flown hundreds of times and much of it in third world countries. Planes were mostly Boeing and sometimes Airbus. I never worried about the planes themselves, but what I DID worry about were the mechanics at third world airports. That was often worrisome.
We can also now worry about the mechanics in some American airports - due to illegal immigration and DEI, it’s becoming one and the same in some cases 😬
I don’t enjoy flying at all now that I do get to hear all the drama and issues on the inside of the industry but statistically airline flights are still one of the safest ways to travel, surpassing vehicular travel by far. And I drive my van nearly every day so 🤷♀️ guess we all have our risk thresholds. Airline travel is still low risk. But I think that may be close to changing.
Thanks for making this skeptical point, Jeff C. My husband has worked in aviation for 20+ years (not ever Boeing). He has said similar things to your comment. Incidents happen all the time in aviation, including serious-but-less-than-a-crash ones, and across all major aviation companies. The fact that there is such a laser focus on Boeing right now, during the presidency of a China-owned puppet, while a China-owned 737 clone is waiting impatiently in the wings, should give rational people pause and raise questions about motives.
That said, I wish these corporations would stop making it so easy to take them out. The “culture of failure” has a lot to do with bowing to DEI that they were told was the key to success. And I’m sure greed. That’s my personal opinion…
But the current media takedown is not commensurate with the crime (unless they intend to shut down all aviation manufacturers and airlines too, for myriad safety failures). And if the public cries out for this, just note what we will lose…no more quick dashes to Grandma across the country, no more emergency flights home for illnesses of a loved one, no more easy access to adventurous locations that otherwise would be a week’s drive away…
And that’s just within our own country.
I hope people don’t let themselves get conned on this.
I'll also point out that "little problems" with airliners happened more than you might realize in the past, and the big difference was that in previous decades only the big events were in the papers and on the nightly news. Without internet, you just didn't find out about things happening when there was no crash or loss of life. The internet tells us everything, all the time.
Do not fly Boeing, lol. Instead fly that new Chinese airliner I'm sure it's safe. And put your fellow American neighbors who build Boeing airplanes out of work because the media has whipped you into yet another fearful frenzy.
There were two crashes five years ago that killed 346 people do to a very real design flaw. That flaw was addressed. Do you know how many passengers have flown Boeing since then without dying? Do you have any idea? It's about 8 billion. So the odds of a passenger dying in a Boeing airplane (that was Boeing's fault) over the last five years are *1 in 23 million*.
But lets all panic over a 1 in 23 million chance of dying because the media told us too. The numerical illiteracy in the country is shocking, no wonder things are going to hell in a handbasket.
Apologies if this comes off as harsh but this comment is just foolish. Those are fellow Americans that build those planes.
I am more concerned with the health of all of the pilots. Our f’ing government is so concerned about the safety of the airplanes, but the pilot in charge, not so much. I wonder how many people are aware that the FAA lowered the standards for the pilots annual health exams following the rollout of the experimental vaccine?
Yes, sure did. Specifically EKG parameters considered ‘healthy’, that would have previously grounded that pilot. Very scary…
🎯🎯🎯 And the fact that the requirements were changed well after the shot roll out proves (IMHO) that they recognized that they were dangerous and feared having a melt down of our transportation system (interesting from a climate crisis’ perspective , isn’t it?)
EKG changes were made in October 2022. They knew…
Do you all know that apparently the pilot EKGs done during the annual exams are transmitted directly to the FDA who determines whether it passes or failed? IDK if the examiner can review as well, or has any role in the decision.
Great question!
I have no idea who determines viability to fly.
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I’m concerned about DEI being more important than merit of the hires & the safety of these flying machines. Damaged pilots are a concern also. Add these concerns to the ordeal of a joke & endurance contest of going thru “security” to board….. it’s not worth it.
I have a friend who’s a swim coach. She was saying that one of the pools where she coaches hired an autistic lifeguard. The problem with that is when she asked him to put the ladder in so some of the older swimmers could climb out of the pool without getting scraped up, the kid froze. My friend ended up doing it herself, but the point is that what will that lifeguard do when (because it’s not an “if” when you’re around a pool) something out of the norm happens? Because certain autistics struggle with anything that isn’t routine. Someone could die, and they’d never admit it was because they hired someone who shouldn’t be in that position in the first place?
❤️❤️❤️☝🏻☝🏻☝🏻
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Their fix is that the single-point-of-failure they designed into the MAX now has a warning light to let the pilots know that the airplane will be dynamically unstable, should the pilots have to execute a go-around. This way, they won't be surprised when the airplane becomes uncontrollable.
It's not about the probabilities, it's the fact that they now have a culture of failure. These things tend to catch up in industries as unforgiving as aviation.
It feels a lot like Pharma…Pfizer and the gang have paid record amounts in fines…it’s merely a cost of doing business to them.
Until CEOs and other INDIVIDUALS are held PERSONALLY responsible, these companies will change nothing.
YESS!!!!
You make an important point, Tom. It's not really a "fix," is it?
Particularly when you consider the number of DEI "pilots" whose critical-thinking skills leave much to be desired when it comes to executing the necessary go-around.
It has been fixed there needs to be more than one point of failure now. MCAS was designed to prevent a nose high pitch attitude while hand flying the aircraft with the flaps in the up position. Usual operations results in the aircraft rarely or never being in that situation. The first crash was the result of the wrong AOA vane being installed and it gave the wrong information to flight instruments and the crew not flying the aircraft. The second was a bird stile that nocked one of the AOA vanes off.
The max was not dynamically unstable when the MCAS activated. Nor was either crash subsequent to a missed approach. The mcas presented as a stab trim runaway due to AOA failure. Both crashes were very preventable by recognizing the stab trim runaway and deselecting both stab trim cutout switches. Both crews were poorly trained third world airline pilots. U.S crew would have landed those jets. That being said Boeing should never have designed it like that
I agree with your comment. The only thing I'd add is, all those pilots who were forced to take the clot shot, sadly, many of whom are ticking time bombs.
Totally agree.
So you're not troubled at all by parts of Boeing airliners falling off en route, as they have several times recently? Or did you miss that news?
Boeing - I expected more out of the C&C crowd, use your critical thinking skills people. There is 1 accident out of 1.4 million flights. Compared to driving you would have to fly millions of miles a yr to be even at risk. Look up the stats
Agreed, but it does give me pause that there have been several issues and engine fires recently, all Boeing.
All of the news has been beathlessly reporting every Boeing mishap for over a year. Some are, actually, pretty routine and don't threaten passengers. Not doors falling off, obviously.
Remember WEF 2030? You won't fly anymore. What a better way to scare people into voluntarily quit flying?
I do not know that it is particularly less “safe” to fly in regard to the aircraft its self.
It is that many people were never before aware of all the “incidents” that occur.
(All the newer issues with flying not to be included)
Similar to the lack of awareness about prescription drugs, vaccines, government interference in human behavior etc.
Would you care to disclose your position with Boeing? Or perhaps its marketing team? Or is it their government enablers?
Why would anyone fly Boeing given a safer alternative?
KT, it would appear as if you have not tried booking a flight anywhere of distance recently. It's VERY difficult to find reasonable, let alone desirable, flights to most places (at least that I've wanted to go to) that do not put you on some type of Boeing aircraft. I wanted non-Boeiing flights, but was unable to arrange that for any leg of a recent, multi-destination, round trip. Obviously, I made it back unscathed.
They're murdering whistleblowers. I think putting a plant or two in substack is small potatoes.
It is safer than driving per 100 million miles. 1.32 fatal accidents driving vs .05 on airlines. And for you to think a Boeing marketing team follows Jeff Childress then you dont know his stack audience very well.
Not a "team." Just one contrary guy.
Not to mention try driving to Africa
Kathleen other than the door plug on the Alaska jet parts falling off aircraft is not uncommon. The most recent ones you have heard about were on very seasoned aircraft and was an airline maintenance problem not a Boeing problem. That being said Boeing needs get their head out of their DEI butt and get back to quality instead of equity and profits
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Yes! I am flying on a couple of those planes today. If you have to go any distance it is usually the best option. A bit of a risk assessment is essential in life but then you have to go on living. If the Covid episode taught us anything, it is that we do not hide in our houses for safety's sake.
Not so foolish. People should expect high levels of performance ... and Boeing now has a well-earned reputation for shoddiness. It is Boeing who is letting us all down.
The United States is failing due to lack of standards in all fields of human endeavor.
Good assessment, Jeff C, but it's not just about the long-ago incident. It's about recent incidents (which, though, may be reported or noticed in a biased manner); DEI air and ground crews and air traffic controllers (not unique to Boeing); and risks we *choose.* In my medical career, I found it both frustrating and fascinating that people might choose to smoke cigarettes while refusing to accept a different, lesser (imho) risk. It also involves feelings of control. We have no control over the safety of the airplanes in which we commit our lives, but we do have a great deal of control over the risks we take when driving a car, so even though statistically flying may be safer, it may not feel that way to the tunas in the flying can. People also rely on black humor, such as making fun of Boeing's incidents, in order to cope with a reality that may otherwise be too dismaying (and may internally apply their opinion of Boeing to all airliners). Finally, I'm America First, but I'm also Quality First and Work Ethic First. It has to be earned. Too many Americans have lost their work ethic and integrity to deserve knee-jerk loyalty.
I don't find it frustrating or fascinating that people would choose to smoke cigarettes while refusing to accept a different, but lesser risk. Makes perfect sense. People actually LIKE smoking. There is a risk/benefit tradeoff. OTOH, a different, lesser risk could be refused without giving up anything desirable. So why not refuse a risk that's all risk, no benefit? My wife and I quit smoking 40 years ago, not because we didn't like smoking, but because we assessed the risk/benefit, which previously FAVORED smoking, had turned against it. I don't regret smoking in my 20s, nor does she. We really enjoyed it, and now, well into our senior years, we're very healthy, showing no signs of damage from the long-ago habit. It would be stupid (for us, since we greatly value our health) to smoke 3 packs a day throughout our adult lives. In our twenties, it was worth it. Also, that was before the cost went through the roof, and before it became impossible to smoke when and where we wanted to.
Thanks for that perspective. I have always been repelled by the smell of tobacco smoke, so it's hard to conceive of it as being enjoyable to breathe it on purpose. I always just saw it as an addictive drug. Those kinds of personal calculations of pros and cons are why the decisions about the Covid injectable products should always have been made by each individual.
Thanks for reading my reply with an open mind, which is not the norm, unfortunately. Yes, believe me, smoking can be very enjoyable. I agree on the jabs. My wife and I never considered them, despite being seniors. Seemed all risk, most likely no reward, given what we knew even before the rollout. Still, I didn't try to talk others out of it, after all, I'm not omniscient and it didn't seem completely impossible SOME people might have avoided a bad bout of COVID if jabbed. Since I didn't know with near 100% certainty, I had no business telling them what to do.
❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️yessss!
Not anymore….Americans have been thrown out and replaced by low cost illegals
If they hire someone with 8 genders, do they get an 8x bonus for their DEI metrics?
Probably so.
Good point, Jeff C. Boeing flights are nowhere as dangerous as blowing the whistle on Boeing.
Respectfully, I don’t think this is true, by the numbers. I’m counting 2 Boeing whistleblowers supposedly “offed” (and I have my doubts; not that they were killed but that Boeing did it), I’m pretty sure the Obamas are already past that? Not keeping close track, but didn’t the Kennedys have some bodies in the closet too, and the Bidens? And the Royal family has had some very suspicious deaths connected to their crew as well…I can think of two off the top of my head.
But I understand your sentiment. It’s dangerous standing up for the truth…or even just knowing it.
I would dare say that it would be very hard to find a plane flying in US that is not built by Boeing.
As a Boeing Brat it is so sad to see the dog pile on a company that had an amazing safety record…until they merged with MD. Several businesses decisions since then including outsourcing parts and assembly have led to most of the part failures as of late ( these were from Spirit assembly in the Midwest , a wholly owned subsidiary of Boeing, but no one knows them so Boeing gets all the negative press) The MCAS problem was a known design flaw and as such should have been litigated as such. What a waste of a once great company. I’m devastated by the loss of life. Crushed by the hate being spewed towards those who are just trying to make an honest living by my C&C tribe.
I have flown hundreds of times and much of it in third world countries. Planes were mostly Boeing and sometimes Airbus. I never worried about the planes themselves, but what I DID worry about were the mechanics at third world airports. That was often worrisome.
We can also now worry about the mechanics in some American airports - due to illegal immigration and DEI, it’s becoming one and the same in some cases 😬
I don’t enjoy flying at all now that I do get to hear all the drama and issues on the inside of the industry but statistically airline flights are still one of the safest ways to travel, surpassing vehicular travel by far. And I drive my van nearly every day so 🤷♀️ guess we all have our risk thresholds. Airline travel is still low risk. But I think that may be close to changing.
Thanks for making this skeptical point, Jeff C. My husband has worked in aviation for 20+ years (not ever Boeing). He has said similar things to your comment. Incidents happen all the time in aviation, including serious-but-less-than-a-crash ones, and across all major aviation companies. The fact that there is such a laser focus on Boeing right now, during the presidency of a China-owned puppet, while a China-owned 737 clone is waiting impatiently in the wings, should give rational people pause and raise questions about motives.
That said, I wish these corporations would stop making it so easy to take them out. The “culture of failure” has a lot to do with bowing to DEI that they were told was the key to success. And I’m sure greed. That’s my personal opinion…
But the current media takedown is not commensurate with the crime (unless they intend to shut down all aviation manufacturers and airlines too, for myriad safety failures). And if the public cries out for this, just note what we will lose…no more quick dashes to Grandma across the country, no more emergency flights home for illnesses of a loved one, no more easy access to adventurous locations that otherwise would be a week’s drive away…
And that’s just within our own country.
I hope people don’t let themselves get conned on this.
I'll also point out that "little problems" with airliners happened more than you might realize in the past, and the big difference was that in previous decades only the big events were in the papers and on the nightly news. Without internet, you just didn't find out about things happening when there was no crash or loss of life. The internet tells us everything, all the time.
Well I like those odds 🤣
Yes how does one “not fly Boeing”, considering many (most?) commercial flights are on Boeing planes….