Thank you 💗 for acknowledging us ‘normal’ gay people who just want to live in peace and keep to ourselves. My gay friends are as horrified as anyone about the current trend for kids to change gender. My friend’s daughter has THREE girls in her class who are now treated as boys. She is 14.
Thank you 💗 for acknowledging us ‘normal’ gay people who just want to live in peace and keep to ourselves. My gay friends are as horrified as anyone about the current trend for kids to change gender. My friend’s daughter has THREE girls in her class who are now treated as boys. She is 14.
I recently visited with my friend, who happens to be a black gay man, in New York City. He recently returned from a trip to San Francisco and shared that he was horrified by what was going on there. A very liberal person, he said that in San Francisco, he was considered a right wing Nazi. It is a shame what is happening to the gay community... this crazy trans movement has co-opted them without their consent and has hurt their movement just as much as it has hurt all of us.
So the big question is….he’s a very liberal person who was horrified by what was going on there…..is he going to vote differently or for the same trash that created the very mess he’s horrified by? It’s rhetorical. I don’t expect you to know how he will vote. Just making a point that people, as horrified as they are, will keep voting for the same pieces of garbage that are mutilating our kids and raising our taxes and funding Ukraine etc etc.
well said, completely agree. That's why we get so annoyed in the South with all these people moving here from the North because they hated it there and now they want to make here like there.
People like that don’t connect policies and the consequences of those policies. They don’t understand cause and effect, or don’t want to understand and acknowledge causes and their related effects.
or they hate the other side so much they are willing to overlook the issue. I have some PA Greek friends who voted for Fetterman simply because the opponent was a Turk!
We can only hope and pray that people are starting to understand the depth of the damage being done and vote accordingly. Keep hoping...keep praying...
Speaking of the political aspect of this topic, which is the sudden and ubiquitous nature of the aggressive “trans movement”, Dr Malone posted Dr James Lindsay’s recent talk in Europe, about the full picture, including how this “movement” fits into the larger scheme of things. Hint: cultural marxism.
I posted the link in a separate comment, it would be cool if comments were searchable. But Dr Malone’s substack is easy to find, it’s within the last few days; and the video is on YouTube (for now anyway).
I first learned about cultural marxism in early 2020 - just in time for that other sudden and ubiquitous outpouring of rage known as the George Floyd riots. Dr Lindsey’s (sp?) talk provided more insight, and is a succinct overview of what the West is dealing with at present.
Now, let me see if I can find that other comment I was searching for. 😎
I have seen this a lot here too. I have a friend with a 15 yo. All her friends are some part of the alphabet. My friends’ daughter says she is nonbinary and asexual or bisexual. It often changes.
The real problem I see with all of this is its attacking kids who are VERY prone to peer pressure and just following crowds to be IN. They are also into experimenting. So sad.
They are being groomed. The groomers mess with a mind not fully developed. Add all the ups and downs of hormones and puberty, low self esteem and other issues, lack of faith and strong parental involvement, you have a prime candidate to groom.
The problem with this is being "horrified" isn't enough. Aside from Gays Against Groomers (who tellingly is a woman) none of these "normal" gay people are publicly speaking out against this. You (collective not you personally) let your movement be coopted by the worst people in the world, many of whom are outright demonic, yet you (again collective) don't say a word against it. That leaves two choices, either the community supports it or are cowards.
The deal we made with your community is that we would tolerate it and leave you alone. We never agreed to "accept" what most of us here believe is sinful behavior. We certainly never agreed to promote it, celebrate it, revel in sinful pride about it, and have virtually every perversion under the sun forced on our kids. Yet that is what is happening, and the "community" calls us bigots for objecting.
So now this is at the point where it's completely out of control, yet "normal" gays are supposedly horrified? Please, I'll believe it when I see some actual evidence of this rather than anonymous posts. This has been a long time coming as the homosexual community has engaged in public exhibitions of obscene and perverse behavior for decades as evidenced by Pride parades and San Francisco street fairs. There was not a peep against this stuff from the homosexual leaders. Now that people have exposed that this same crowd is trying to convince our kids to cut their genitals off people are suddenly "horrified"?
We will believe you are horrified when you are on the evening news publicly condemning this stuff. These people are speaking in your name promoting the worst sorts of sinful and depraved behavior, and promoting crimes against nature (there is no other word for telling people to cut off their genitals). The silence of the "gay community" is complicity.
(BTW, I'm not Jeff Childers, despite commenting here and other places for years using "Jeff C" people still make that mistake.)
Lots of truth Jeff C (not Childers) 😉 I’m guessing that a lot of normal gay folk are content just to live their everyday lives and are not part of an active movement, and herein lies the problem. So the modern day radical activists in the TQIA+++ portion of the equation are running amok.
I have a very conservative gay friend who speaks out on social media all the time but otherwise he’s just a regular guy that’s busy with family, work, and friends just like the rest of us. Most people don’t just have an open invitation to get on the evening news just to speak out... especially when it’s anti-narrative.
If prominent gay individuals were addressing school boards calling out this stuff I can guarantee it would be everywhere, likely including the evening news. At a minimum the videos would go viral. Yet there is none of it. None.
Gays Against Groomers is the only one doing this (that I know of) and she is fantastic. She has the courage of a thousand so-called "normal" gay men.
I know there must be plenty of conservative gays who don't like this stuff, I know one myself. Yet they are completely silent and seem perfectly happy to allow parents that object to this stuff being condemned and called bigots in their name. They don't seem to mind that a generation is being groomed and thrown to the wolves again in their name.
There are plenty of opportunities for these "normal" gays to loudly and publicly make their voice heard yet it *never* happens.
Beckett Cooke has a YouTube podcast, and speaks on this. He's saved now, and talks about how he had to completely stop the gay lifestyle. Is in the heart of the devil's lair (LA) and is ministering boldly. So there are examples. But you're maybe right that enough practicing gays aren't publicly fighting this stuff.
Dave Rubin is paid to speak out, that's his job. He is literally making a living by being a contrarian (i.e. the conservative gay guy).
I'm talking about decent, normal gay people who are fed up with this stuff and speak out despite personal risk, not people getting rich playing a media role. There are virtually none.
IMO, LGBs need to remove the rest from the group. We all know one is a natural innate preference, while the other is a mental illness. LGB is about "some people like chocolate ice cream, some like vanilla." The rest of the acronym folks think "I am the ice cream."
On a broader social level, enabling mental illness never helps. E.g., Michael Jackson. We all knew he had "issues." He clearly wanted to become a woman or maybe a pre-pubescent boy. He had all the money in the world, supportive, "affirming" doctors, a fawning media, and even more fawning fans. IOW, he had the exact thing the medical establishment (that just happens to make billions off this issue) says they want for all "trans" people. How did it work out for him?
Enablement is never a good thing. If someone says they are something that they are not, the issue is with them, not with everyone who refuses to play along with their magical thinking. We don't dress up as men in black and follow around paranoid people to affirm their paranoia. These people need psychological help, and failing that, they need a spiritual awakening. It's all a spiritual issue in the end. As MJ showed us, drugs, surgery, etc. solve absolutely nothing and actually destroy the human being.
RU, respectfully, I cannot agree "We all know [LGB] is a natural innate preference, while the other [TQI++] is a mental illness."
If I naturally, innately preferred alcohol consumption to the point of cirrhosis, would you not consider that an illness?
If I naturally, innately preferred to starve myself of food to the point of death, would you not consider that an illness?
I think of any preference that leads to misalignment with the Purpose for which we, male and female, were created (to glorify our Maker, fill the earth and [govern] it) as an illness.
LGB inclinations do not glorify God (Who in fact called them "unnatural"), do not fill the earth (with children) and work against both of those governing principles (i.e. rejection of God's authority, rejection of God's instruction, rejection of God's "ordering" of families as one man and one woman).
I agree. I have compassion for gay and lesbian people. It must be difficult to struggle against what seems to be their inclination. Definition of inclination: affection, appetite, aptitude, bias, capability, and desire. But I can’t use the word natural because it is not. Your example is accurate, thoughtful. We have fallen so far away from what we were put on earth to do; to worship and glorify God. He does not wink at sin; he has called it an abomination.
Well, we are free to disagree. I do not consider those logically sound analogies. Nor do I believe God put us here merely, or only, or especially to procreate.
Yes, certainly. And I appreciate the respectful exchange of ideas (so rare these days). :)
I am curious what you feel is not logically sound about my analogies as I try to understand your point of view better. You speak of preference and attraction to the same/both genders by a person as "natural" and "innate" and like a preference of ice cream flavor (chocolate v. vanilla). That implies that, as between preferring a sexual partner of the same/both sex or a sexual partner of the opposite sex, there is no way to measure any benefit or deficit in those choices. I think we can remove the discussion from any Biblical worldview and still see pros and cons (much more akin to alcoholic/anorexic self-destruction than mere chocolate v. vanilla).
If you live out same-sex attraction, you will never naturally produce children with your life partner. If you enter into a same-sex union, you will deprive any children within your household of either a male or female parent.
If you live out a both-sex attraction, you will never experience the joy/security of monogamy (or the sexual intimacy of having an exclusive life/sex partner). If you live a both-sex attraction lifestyle, any children you may have would not likely have the chance to be raised by a mother and father committed to each other all within the same household.
Only in the opposite-sex attraction category can you experience exclusive, monogamous, and potentially pro-creative sexual intimacy. Any children born of that intimacy are more likely to be raised in a household with male and female role models and all the benefits that come with that diversity.
I think it's hard to argue there's no benefit to choosing heterosexual monogamy with a life partner (and the data so far show that children raised in such households are happier, healthier and more likely to achieve their own success... https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4771005/). So I don't see this as "merely" chocolate v. vanilla preference. The preference is a choice to live in a manner beneficial to ordered society, gender role models and their complementarity, and the opportunity of children being raised in the ideal setting.
That said, it's much easier to make the pros/cons argument for opposite-sex attraction in the context of a Biblical worldview. God's first commandment was to Adam not to eat of the tree of knowledge and evil... (i.e. don't try to be God... ironically a different path to the same sin as PRIDE). God's second commandment (as part of a blessing) was to Adam and Eve to go forth, be fruitful, multiply and govern over the creatures of the earth. That's not JUST procreation... but certainly procreation is part of our blessing/inheritance. And the words attributed to God in Genesis aren't ambivalent or confusingly unclear about His order and our purpose.
Well, first, I don't think comments sections of websites are good places for discussions like this. It's hard to have a nuanced discussion and not come off the wrong way. :-) But, to answer the questions...in my opinion, a more logical analogy would be to say if someone had a desire to have rampant unprotected sex with others of the same gender that would be akin to alcoholism. Of course, the same would be true of someone who had a desire to have rampant sex with someone of the opposite gender or sex. Either way, that would be something like addiction, and it would be self-destructive. Like drinking to the point of disease. (In fact, I don't think a desire to drink alcohol is even natural - it's something we learn.)
That's why I see a distinction b/w gay (LGB) and trans (TQIA whatever). One is a matter of the type of attraction one has to another person; the other is an argument about the nature of reality and a desire for self-harm in the form of physical mutilation. There is an overtly self-destructive quality to "trans" ideology; an inherent inability to see the value in oneself as oneself, leading to a desire to physically end that particular self. I don't see anything similarly self-destructive about being gay. (FWIW, when it comes to trans issues, my main issue has to do with foisting this on children, convincing them they are "trans" when they are really just experiencing normal hormonal changes. And also the violation of parent's rights.)
The issue that I have with the analogy is that to assume that just being gay is like drinking to the point of disease is to assume that being gay is itself a diseased state. All of the things listed as "bad" things about gay people or gay relationships are not really inherently bad IMO, unless you believe that our main purpose here is to procreate and be good parents. As I said, I don't agree with that view. As to monogamy, anyone can choose monogamy, regardless of orientation. Finally, I don't agree with the view that there is one right/only/true way to read something like the Bible. As I'm sure you are aware, that issue has been fought over - as in, wars - for millennia. So, I think there are many valid ways to read what the Bible is telling us, and of course what God is telling us is yet another thing to many people.
RU, thank you for your time and thoughtful reply. I heard everything and see where our belief systems diverge. It would be great if we could be friends IRL and have this conversation over (well, I was going to say a glass of 🍷...but maybe that's not your ideal 😉, haha!) a cup of coffee!
It’s not even sad, it’s Ridiculous with a capital R. Right now it’s a popular way for teenagers to assert control over their bodies, just like tattoos or piercings. But when it impacts the language of others we need to absolutely refuse to go along with that nonsense.
Comprehensive Sexuality Education programs were developed by masons to increase infertile sex: http://StopCSE.org
There's a plan to murder 95% of the global population.
Start taking some redpills and doing your own homework by searching the following in duckduckgo.com or presearch.com:
- Both Churchill and Roosevelt were masons and plotted to get the reluctant USA into the war by provoking the Japs and letting Pearl Harbor (all fleet defenseless in there, no radar warning in outer islands)
- 9/11: 2 "planes", yet all 7 World Trade Center towers destroyed, not the closer towers not belonging to World Trade Center, and the owner with his 2 grown up sieblings failed to show up for work (never did)...
- J6: The fake riot was mason-planned, incited and guided by FBI agents, who broke into the Capitol !!!
- It’s the masons, who create counterfeited currencies (trillions of dollars and EUROS) and bought the listed corporations, media, healthcare, universities, parties and political careers:
Thank you 💗 for acknowledging us ‘normal’ gay people who just want to live in peace and keep to ourselves. My gay friends are as horrified as anyone about the current trend for kids to change gender. My friend’s daughter has THREE girls in her class who are now treated as boys. She is 14.
I recently visited with my friend, who happens to be a black gay man, in New York City. He recently returned from a trip to San Francisco and shared that he was horrified by what was going on there. A very liberal person, he said that in San Francisco, he was considered a right wing Nazi. It is a shame what is happening to the gay community... this crazy trans movement has co-opted them without their consent and has hurt their movement just as much as it has hurt all of us.
So the big question is….he’s a very liberal person who was horrified by what was going on there…..is he going to vote differently or for the same trash that created the very mess he’s horrified by? It’s rhetorical. I don’t expect you to know how he will vote. Just making a point that people, as horrified as they are, will keep voting for the same pieces of garbage that are mutilating our kids and raising our taxes and funding Ukraine etc etc.
well said, completely agree. That's why we get so annoyed in the South with all these people moving here from the North because they hated it there and now they want to make here like there.
I have seen signs "welcome - now don't vote for what made you leave"
I seriously do not understand that.
People like that don’t connect policies and the consequences of those policies. They don’t understand cause and effect, or don’t want to understand and acknowledge causes and their related effects.
or they hate the other side so much they are willing to overlook the issue. I have some PA Greek friends who voted for Fetterman simply because the opponent was a Turk!
Wow. Shameful.
We can only hope and pray that people are starting to understand the depth of the damage being done and vote accordingly. Keep hoping...keep praying...
Speaking of the political aspect of this topic, which is the sudden and ubiquitous nature of the aggressive “trans movement”, Dr Malone posted Dr James Lindsay’s recent talk in Europe, about the full picture, including how this “movement” fits into the larger scheme of things. Hint: cultural marxism.
I posted the link in a separate comment, it would be cool if comments were searchable. But Dr Malone’s substack is easy to find, it’s within the last few days; and the video is on YouTube (for now anyway).
I first learned about cultural marxism in early 2020 - just in time for that other sudden and ubiquitous outpouring of rage known as the George Floyd riots. Dr Lindsey’s (sp?) talk provided more insight, and is a succinct overview of what the West is dealing with at present.
Now, let me see if I can find that other comment I was searching for. 😎
There's a group called gays against groomers that he might identify with.
Love them❤️
I have seen this a lot here too. I have a friend with a 15 yo. All her friends are some part of the alphabet. My friends’ daughter says she is nonbinary and asexual or bisexual. It often changes.
The real problem I see with all of this is its attacking kids who are VERY prone to peer pressure and just following crowds to be IN. They are also into experimenting. So sad.
They are being groomed. The groomers mess with a mind not fully developed. Add all the ups and downs of hormones and puberty, low self esteem and other issues, lack of faith and strong parental involvement, you have a prime candidate to groom.
I appreciate your comments K Scott.
The problem with this is being "horrified" isn't enough. Aside from Gays Against Groomers (who tellingly is a woman) none of these "normal" gay people are publicly speaking out against this. You (collective not you personally) let your movement be coopted by the worst people in the world, many of whom are outright demonic, yet you (again collective) don't say a word against it. That leaves two choices, either the community supports it or are cowards.
The deal we made with your community is that we would tolerate it and leave you alone. We never agreed to "accept" what most of us here believe is sinful behavior. We certainly never agreed to promote it, celebrate it, revel in sinful pride about it, and have virtually every perversion under the sun forced on our kids. Yet that is what is happening, and the "community" calls us bigots for objecting.
So now this is at the point where it's completely out of control, yet "normal" gays are supposedly horrified? Please, I'll believe it when I see some actual evidence of this rather than anonymous posts. This has been a long time coming as the homosexual community has engaged in public exhibitions of obscene and perverse behavior for decades as evidenced by Pride parades and San Francisco street fairs. There was not a peep against this stuff from the homosexual leaders. Now that people have exposed that this same crowd is trying to convince our kids to cut their genitals off people are suddenly "horrified"?
We will believe you are horrified when you are on the evening news publicly condemning this stuff. These people are speaking in your name promoting the worst sorts of sinful and depraved behavior, and promoting crimes against nature (there is no other word for telling people to cut off their genitals). The silence of the "gay community" is complicity.
(BTW, I'm not Jeff Childers, despite commenting here and other places for years using "Jeff C" people still make that mistake.)
Lots of truth Jeff C (not Childers) 😉 I’m guessing that a lot of normal gay folk are content just to live their everyday lives and are not part of an active movement, and herein lies the problem. So the modern day radical activists in the TQIA+++ portion of the equation are running amok.
I have a very conservative gay friend who speaks out on social media all the time but otherwise he’s just a regular guy that’s busy with family, work, and friends just like the rest of us. Most people don’t just have an open invitation to get on the evening news just to speak out... especially when it’s anti-narrative.
If prominent gay individuals were addressing school boards calling out this stuff I can guarantee it would be everywhere, likely including the evening news. At a minimum the videos would go viral. Yet there is none of it. None.
Gays Against Groomers is the only one doing this (that I know of) and she is fantastic. She has the courage of a thousand so-called "normal" gay men.
I know there must be plenty of conservative gays who don't like this stuff, I know one myself. Yet they are completely silent and seem perfectly happy to allow parents that object to this stuff being condemned and called bigots in their name. They don't seem to mind that a generation is being groomed and thrown to the wolves again in their name.
There are plenty of opportunities for these "normal" gays to loudly and publicly make their voice heard yet it *never* happens.
Beckett Cooke has a YouTube podcast, and speaks on this. He's saved now, and talks about how he had to completely stop the gay lifestyle. Is in the heart of the devil's lair (LA) and is ministering boldly. So there are examples. But you're maybe right that enough practicing gays aren't publicly fighting this stuff.
Chadwick Moore talks about it, but I don't think he showing up at School Board meetings. Thank you for all that you Do.
Dave Rubin has been speaking out
Dave Rubin is paid to speak out, that's his job. He is literally making a living by being a contrarian (i.e. the conservative gay guy).
I'm talking about decent, normal gay people who are fed up with this stuff and speak out despite personal risk, not people getting rich playing a media role. There are virtually none.
Good point
IMO, LGBs need to remove the rest from the group. We all know one is a natural innate preference, while the other is a mental illness. LGB is about "some people like chocolate ice cream, some like vanilla." The rest of the acronym folks think "I am the ice cream."
On a broader social level, enabling mental illness never helps. E.g., Michael Jackson. We all knew he had "issues." He clearly wanted to become a woman or maybe a pre-pubescent boy. He had all the money in the world, supportive, "affirming" doctors, a fawning media, and even more fawning fans. IOW, he had the exact thing the medical establishment (that just happens to make billions off this issue) says they want for all "trans" people. How did it work out for him?
Enablement is never a good thing. If someone says they are something that they are not, the issue is with them, not with everyone who refuses to play along with their magical thinking. We don't dress up as men in black and follow around paranoid people to affirm their paranoia. These people need psychological help, and failing that, they need a spiritual awakening. It's all a spiritual issue in the end. As MJ showed us, drugs, surgery, etc. solve absolutely nothing and actually destroy the human being.
RU, respectfully, I cannot agree "We all know [LGB] is a natural innate preference, while the other [TQI++] is a mental illness."
If I naturally, innately preferred alcohol consumption to the point of cirrhosis, would you not consider that an illness?
If I naturally, innately preferred to starve myself of food to the point of death, would you not consider that an illness?
I think of any preference that leads to misalignment with the Purpose for which we, male and female, were created (to glorify our Maker, fill the earth and [govern] it) as an illness.
LGB inclinations do not glorify God (Who in fact called them "unnatural"), do not fill the earth (with children) and work against both of those governing principles (i.e. rejection of God's authority, rejection of God's instruction, rejection of God's "ordering" of families as one man and one woman).
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I agree. I have compassion for gay and lesbian people. It must be difficult to struggle against what seems to be their inclination. Definition of inclination: affection, appetite, aptitude, bias, capability, and desire. But I can’t use the word natural because it is not. Your example is accurate, thoughtful. We have fallen so far away from what we were put on earth to do; to worship and glorify God. He does not wink at sin; he has called it an abomination.
Well, we are free to disagree. I do not consider those logically sound analogies. Nor do I believe God put us here merely, or only, or especially to procreate.
Yes, certainly. And I appreciate the respectful exchange of ideas (so rare these days). :)
I am curious what you feel is not logically sound about my analogies as I try to understand your point of view better. You speak of preference and attraction to the same/both genders by a person as "natural" and "innate" and like a preference of ice cream flavor (chocolate v. vanilla). That implies that, as between preferring a sexual partner of the same/both sex or a sexual partner of the opposite sex, there is no way to measure any benefit or deficit in those choices. I think we can remove the discussion from any Biblical worldview and still see pros and cons (much more akin to alcoholic/anorexic self-destruction than mere chocolate v. vanilla).
If you live out same-sex attraction, you will never naturally produce children with your life partner. If you enter into a same-sex union, you will deprive any children within your household of either a male or female parent.
If you live out a both-sex attraction, you will never experience the joy/security of monogamy (or the sexual intimacy of having an exclusive life/sex partner). If you live a both-sex attraction lifestyle, any children you may have would not likely have the chance to be raised by a mother and father committed to each other all within the same household.
Only in the opposite-sex attraction category can you experience exclusive, monogamous, and potentially pro-creative sexual intimacy. Any children born of that intimacy are more likely to be raised in a household with male and female role models and all the benefits that come with that diversity.
I think it's hard to argue there's no benefit to choosing heterosexual monogamy with a life partner (and the data so far show that children raised in such households are happier, healthier and more likely to achieve their own success... https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4771005/). So I don't see this as "merely" chocolate v. vanilla preference. The preference is a choice to live in a manner beneficial to ordered society, gender role models and their complementarity, and the opportunity of children being raised in the ideal setting.
That said, it's much easier to make the pros/cons argument for opposite-sex attraction in the context of a Biblical worldview. God's first commandment was to Adam not to eat of the tree of knowledge and evil... (i.e. don't try to be God... ironically a different path to the same sin as PRIDE). God's second commandment (as part of a blessing) was to Adam and Eve to go forth, be fruitful, multiply and govern over the creatures of the earth. That's not JUST procreation... but certainly procreation is part of our blessing/inheritance. And the words attributed to God in Genesis aren't ambivalent or confusingly unclear about His order and our purpose.
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Well, first, I don't think comments sections of websites are good places for discussions like this. It's hard to have a nuanced discussion and not come off the wrong way. :-) But, to answer the questions...in my opinion, a more logical analogy would be to say if someone had a desire to have rampant unprotected sex with others of the same gender that would be akin to alcoholism. Of course, the same would be true of someone who had a desire to have rampant sex with someone of the opposite gender or sex. Either way, that would be something like addiction, and it would be self-destructive. Like drinking to the point of disease. (In fact, I don't think a desire to drink alcohol is even natural - it's something we learn.)
That's why I see a distinction b/w gay (LGB) and trans (TQIA whatever). One is a matter of the type of attraction one has to another person; the other is an argument about the nature of reality and a desire for self-harm in the form of physical mutilation. There is an overtly self-destructive quality to "trans" ideology; an inherent inability to see the value in oneself as oneself, leading to a desire to physically end that particular self. I don't see anything similarly self-destructive about being gay. (FWIW, when it comes to trans issues, my main issue has to do with foisting this on children, convincing them they are "trans" when they are really just experiencing normal hormonal changes. And also the violation of parent's rights.)
The issue that I have with the analogy is that to assume that just being gay is like drinking to the point of disease is to assume that being gay is itself a diseased state. All of the things listed as "bad" things about gay people or gay relationships are not really inherently bad IMO, unless you believe that our main purpose here is to procreate and be good parents. As I said, I don't agree with that view. As to monogamy, anyone can choose monogamy, regardless of orientation. Finally, I don't agree with the view that there is one right/only/true way to read something like the Bible. As I'm sure you are aware, that issue has been fought over - as in, wars - for millennia. So, I think there are many valid ways to read what the Bible is telling us, and of course what God is telling us is yet another thing to many people.
Anyway, thanks for reading and for your time.
RU, thank you for your time and thoughtful reply. I heard everything and see where our belief systems diverge. It would be great if we could be friends IRL and have this conversation over (well, I was going to say a glass of 🍷...but maybe that's not your ideal 😉, haha!) a cup of coffee!
My kid went to a tiny middle school. Each class there is tiny. In each class about 20% of the girls are now “they”s.
It’s not even sad, it’s Ridiculous with a capital R. Right now it’s a popular way for teenagers to assert control over their bodies, just like tattoos or piercings. But when it impacts the language of others we need to absolutely refuse to go along with that nonsense.
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Comprehensive Sexuality Education programs were developed by masons to increase infertile sex: http://StopCSE.org
There's a plan to murder 95% of the global population.
Start taking some redpills and doing your own homework by searching the following in duckduckgo.com or presearch.com:
- Both Churchill and Roosevelt were masons and plotted to get the reluctant USA into the war by provoking the Japs and letting Pearl Harbor (all fleet defenseless in there, no radar warning in outer islands)
- 9/11: 2 "planes", yet all 7 World Trade Center towers destroyed, not the closer towers not belonging to World Trade Center, and the owner with his 2 grown up sieblings failed to show up for work (never did)...
- J6: The fake riot was mason-planned, incited and guided by FBI agents, who broke into the Capitol !!!
https://scientificprogress.substack.com/p/j6-what-you-need-to-know
It's such a mason manual that they organized the same play in Brazil when it was proven that the voting machines owned by mason Soros, were rigged:
https://scientificprogress.substack.com/p/the-2020-american-coup
https://scientificprogress.substack.com/p/dominion-over-us
- COVID was designed as a primer for lethal COVID haccines:
https://scientificprogress.substack.com/p/the-real-covid-timeline
https://scientificprogress.substack.com/p/not-vaccine-not-gene-therapy-just
https://scientificprogress.substack.com/p/what-do-bioweapons-have-to-do-with
- Wake up videos:
https://scientificprogress.substack.com/p/wake-up-videos
- It's genocide for depopulation:
https://scientificprogress.substack.com/p/depop-vaccines-no-myth
- It’s the masons, who create counterfeited currencies (trillions of dollars and EUROS) and bought the listed corporations, media, healthcare, universities, parties and political careers:
https://scientificprogress.substack.com/p/david-rockefeller-illuminati
ex-illuminati Ronald Bernard's confessions:
http://youtu.be/JAhnCdXqPww
Now are you ready?
The full PLAN exposed:
https://scientificprogress.substack.com/p/the-plan-revealed
16 laws we need to exit Prison Planet
Politics got us in, politics is the way out ... after prayers!
https://scientificprogress.substack.com/p/laws-to-exit-planet-prison
By the way, many gays are finding happiness here:
https://couragerc.org
Its disgusting
I should ask the married gay couple I know. Been together 30 years. They are big blue state liberal Dems so not sure what they would say.