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Alex Baden's avatar

There are many grounds for suing jab manufacturers, regardless of DNA contamination. And since the PREP Act is obviously unconstitutional, this would be an opportunity to destroy this illegal immunity law once and for all. Why haven't any attorneys done this? Curious what you think of this, Jeff: https://substack.com/inbox/post/137468717

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Jeff Childers's avatar

stay tuned

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Chevrus's avatar

We are waiting with bated breath I assure you. Your insights into the legal profession are valuable and appreciated BTW.

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Fla Mom's avatar

Chevrus, thank you for knowing the difference between 'bated' and 'baited.'

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Michele's avatar

Haha yes, easy if you think of the word "abated"....

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Chevrus's avatar

Hey I try....not much else I have time for these days...

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RunningLogic's avatar

I second this comment 😁

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CH's avatar

I sit on the edge of my seat every day!!!

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Dr Linda's avatar

Hanging on by a thread

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Fred's avatar

I predict a multiplier like none other!!! Go Jeff!

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ViaVeritasVita's avatar

And the 1986 vax immunity act as well. Hope this comment also gets a "Stay tuned" from our dear author.

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Garden Lover's avatar

I’m curious if that makes the National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act of 1985-86 null and void. You can’t sue the manufacturer, but have to go to a government court and the US taxpayers are the ones who foot the bill. Needless to say, it’s a kangaroo court.

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JSR's avatar

“The polyomavirus simian virus 40 (SV40) is a known oncogenic DNA virus which induces primary brain and bone cancers, malignant mesothelioma, and lymphomas in laboratory animals. Persuasive evidence now indicates that SV40 is causing infections in humans today and represents an emerging pathogen”

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC452549/

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JSR's avatar

“The discovery of the polyomavirus SV40, as well as its introduction as a pathogen into the human population, was tied to the development and worldwide distribution of early forms of the polio vaccine”

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Emumundo's avatar

LNPs? Graphene? PEG? Spike Proteins? Genetic AlDS sequence? Take your pick. I’m sure I’m leaving out a lot, this is just off the top of my (exploding) head.

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AJ#2's avatar

From what I understand the small bits of DNA can enter the nucleus.

Here is more info. Poke around her substack for more details.

https://jessicar.substack.com/p/please-feel-free-to-watch-the-live?utm_source=profile&utm_medium=reader2

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ConcernedGrammy's avatar

Not only religious exemptions selectively granted, back up a few steps. Why were so many entire entities granted blanket EXEMPTIONS based strictly on where one worked? From the beginning of Biden's mandate, all of Congress, SCOTUS, USPS, NIH, NIAID, etc, etc. We heard over and over "the only way out of this pandemic is for every human to take the covid19 vaxcinations"...so why was ANYONE "exempt" at all? And why did Pfizer employees get jabs from their own special batch? 🤔

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Fred's avatar

🎯🎯🎯Add the blanket refusals to consider ANY exemption request.

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CaplT's avatar

Newsom exempted certain union/s in Cal.

Not himself apparently because he had GB syndrome and went MIA for almost a month until it cleared up.

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Kathleen Janoski's avatar

To deny a religious exemption, is to deny religion itself.

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SheThinksLiberty's avatar

Kathleen, I'm going to get a little "wonky" on this topic since I spent nearly 20 years of a near 40 year career in HR.

Over the years, I had several requests for religious and medical 𝒂𝒄𝒄𝒐𝒎𝒎𝒐𝒅𝒂𝒕𝒊𝒐𝒏. We did not grant the exemption because it already existed as a 𝙧𝙞𝙜𝙝𝙩. We accommodated it -- as required by law and decency. Companies don't decide whether they will accommodate or not...They must -- unless they can prove "undue hardship." What possible "hardship" could they imagine beyond their abilities to accommodate when someone chose to decline a medical intervention?

HR "professionals" in this country disgraced themselves -- forever, in my mind. While the denial of religious expression was a feature of this despicable conduct, the unforgiveable underbelly was the willingness to deny basic human rights. As you probably know, I gave up my career in HR because I knew in 2020 that my "fellow Americans" in HR would conduct themselves in this way and I refused to be a party to it.

So, wonkiness here -- Religious exemptions are not "granted." Individuals invoke them and companies accommodate them unless they, the company, can prove "undue hardship."

BTW, religious "tests" are also disallowed by law, but our "fellow Americans" did it anyway. Truly, truly, truly disgusting. And unforgiveable.

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Jeff C's avatar

Yup, this is exactly right.

My employer is a federal contractor and I insisted they accommodate my sincere religious beliefs regarding vaccination. I backed this up with Bible citations, excerpts from relevant case law, and writing from the EEOC. I made clear to them that I knew my rights under the law and would aggressively defend them if they were violated, and hold those who violated my rights personally accountable.. My accommodation request was granted.

What people don't understand is there is no impartial referee calling balls and strikes on religious accommodations. People were granted accommodations because the company and HR people were afraid they would get sued if they didn't. Like most bureaucrats, they are bullies, but even more so cowards.

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SheThinksLiberty's avatar

Good for you, Jeff C. I'm just sorry your fellow Americans put you in a position of having to do that. My own experience is 180 degrees out of phase with that. (BTW, I cannot think of a single religious or medical exemption that was ever denied; at least, that's my experience. I cannot imagine the circumstances that would have to be in play in order for a company to invoke "undue hardship" as its reason for denial...)

When I tell you that at the very beginning of this, which I knew was an "operation" immediately, I could tell that it was going to go very badly. As my company ramped up to send us all home, I attended meetings about how we would operate from home. (I was a senior member of the HR team, reporting to the head of HR and the Chief of Staff) During these run-up meetings, I looked around at these three women and knew my days were numbered. It was truly like being in a parallel universe. Like being outside myself watching and listening to what was being said, what the company was going to do, and thinking I have just entered an insane asylum...I was gone by the end of the year.

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Jeff C's avatar

Thanks for fighting the good fight while you were there.

What these folks fail to realize is that the CRA is crystal clear. Employers must provide a reasonable accommodation for sincerely held religious beliefs unless doing so would cause an undue hardship. Period, end of story. Sanctimony or good intentions (in their mind) don't invalidate the law as many companies are now learning the hard way.

But the government, media, and medical establishment all ganged up to pressure these companies into doing their dirty work. Many of these HR types, filled with an inflated sense of sanctimony, were happy to play along. I needed to remind our HR exactly what the law said and that I would sue them if they didn't follow it.

Companies cannot make you prove your religious beliefs are consistent or logical. They cannot require a letter from a religious leader (the spiritual equivalent of a doctor's note). All of that stuff is illegal under the CRA and subsequent case law. My company requested a note from a religious leader and I told them to go pound sand (politely) while pointing out there was no basis for it under the law or scripture.

Plus I'm in a good position where they needed me more than I needed them, and frankly I was ready for a fight on this issue. Ultimately, they were more afraid of losing me, and being sued by me afterwards, than they were of the government. Accommodation granted.

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J Boss's avatar

I was lucky (or determined) enough to do as Jeff C. did and find the legal means to defend my ground, including the EEOC handbook. I never really sensed a push back from my HR, and I read the CEO's letter mandating the vax's as almost a veiled willingness to accommodate all requests.

"I cannot imagine the circumstances that would have to be in play in order for a company to invoke "undue hardship" as its reason for denial...)"

We'd been accommodating the situation with remote work and masks and such for more than a year at that point. Exactly how could continuing those accommodations be seen as any hardship, much less an undue one?

My thought now is that every CEO in the country (and possibly the entire world) now knows that the vaccines harm and kill working age people just from the 125% plus increase in the supplemental life insurance fees. Zero chance they didn't notice that increase and not ask why... unless they already knew why.

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SheThinksLiberty's avatar

James, your second paragraph...𝑬𝒙𝒂𝒄𝒕𝒍𝒚! That's what I was driving at. Now...now that we're headed back into our offices after having worked remotely and been forced to mask, now suddenly we're unable to figure out how to accommodate someone who declines an experimental medical intervention..? What utter bull.

Yet the cowards all across "the fruited plain" abused their employees and broke the law by refusing to accommodate. I'm very happy you got yours, which was your 𝙧𝙞𝙜𝙝𝙩.

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Maha's avatar

No religious exemption for a medical intervention should be denied by an employer.

When my employees were unsure about the sweeping employer mandated vax requirements our state was illegally implementing, I told them, file a religious exemption if you feel the vaccine's origins conflict with your belief in the sanctity of life.

Bingo. 5 exemptions. All granted.

Subsequently, I was asked by others in my field how could I be sure the exemptions were valid. The answer was simple. How could I know they weren't?

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Credenda's avatar

My deep respect to you Kathleen for getting out. Integrity comes with a cost and you were willing to pay it. HR people by and large remind me of the fanatical Red Guards of the Cultural Revolution. They were tasked with the job of enforcing dramatic social change to benefit the regime and they did this with enthusiastic cruelty. But their day will come. As for the guy who was cleared of charges for going against the COVID narrative, this is good but not enough. He should sue his tormentors for the misery they put him through. If there were a large financial settlement maybe it would deter other little dictators. One can hope.

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SheThinksLiberty's avatar

Thank you, Credenda. ❤️

I agree re Michigan State and Skidmore. Absolutely horrendous, but not surprising. As I've often said over these last going-on-nearly four years, “𝑪𝒊𝒓𝒄𝒖𝒎𝒔𝒕𝒂𝒏𝒄𝒆𝒔 𝒅𝒐 𝒏𝒐𝒕 𝒎𝒂𝒌𝒆 𝒕𝒉𝒆 𝒎𝒂𝒏; 𝒕𝒉𝒆𝒚 𝒎𝒆𝒓𝒆𝒍𝒚 𝒓𝒆𝒗𝒆𝒂𝒍 𝒉𝒊𝒎 𝒕𝒐 𝒉𝒊𝒎𝒔𝒆𝒍𝒇.” - 𝑬𝒑𝒊𝒄𝒕𝒆𝒕𝒖𝒔

Certainly, the majority of people in this country -- especially "leadership" in government, academia, business, science and medicine -- revealed themselves to 𝒆𝒗𝒆𝒓𝒚𝒃𝒐𝒅𝒚.

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Michele's avatar

Thanks for spelling this out. It is akin to saying "The Constitution gives us rights." No, it protects the rights that God gives us. It always infuriated me that I even HAD to jump through the hoops of delineating my religious exemption. And although I was "accommodated" for not getting the jabs (though forced to work remotely), I was NOT for refusal to mask and test. Because "undue hardship" aka THREAT to students and other university colleagues (I was teaching, at the time).

So I quit.

You are right. Disgusting, and also disgusting was how many pastors and churches went along with this.

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SheThinksLiberty's avatar

You had every reason to be infuriated, Michele. I'm very sorry for the assaults inflicted upon you. I'm sorry you had to quit, but I understand why you did.

Inexcusable. Unforgiveable. All of it.

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Kathleen Janoski's avatar

The people who work in HR are not people persons.

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SheThinksLiberty's avatar

I worked with some very lovely people in HR over the years. Yet they, like most "Americans," conducted themselves disgracefully. As you can imagine, I knew many, many people in the HR profession and was connected to many more on LinkedIn. To my knowledge, I am the only one who quit instead of "accommodating" the madness and criminality.

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Fre'd Bennett, MAHA's avatar

In my entire career I never met (or litigated with) an HR person that I would not have GLADLY put against a wall and shot.

A greater hive of villainy and scum does not exist than any given HR department.

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SheThinksLiberty's avatar

Oh, dear. Well, I have heard similar comments about HR over the years, Fred.

I worked in recruiting, which in many organizations is a part of the HR department. In others, recruiting is its own separate functional area outside of HR. I will say that in my last role, leading all domestic and international recruiting, that the woman to whom I reported "got" that recruiting was its own "animal," related to HR, but different. :) She often had to remind the other senior HR staff about this -- none of whom had ever done recruiting nor did they ever express any wish to. All thought it too hard, too many constituents inside and outside with multiple demands. I enjoyed it, and my last company treated me exceptionally well until they all went around the bend over a respiratory infection, aiding and abetting the greatest crime against humanity after the one -- some say -- that took place in Calgary...

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c Anderson's avatar

You mean they are tools for the tyrannical among us?

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Kathleen Janoski's avatar

Yes...they were the hammers.

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FreeBird07's avatar

Thank you for your wonkiness :)

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Jaci's avatar

I like that! Perfectly said! I left my church when they denied exemptions! Done...

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PamelaZelie's avatar

“The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.”

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MayBella82's avatar

I was civilian employee at a Navy HQ Command. I put in a religious exemption. It is very obvious at work that I am Catholic and I worked there long enough for them to know I am a faithful Catholic. My religious exemption was never approved but it also was not denied either. They would not make a decision on it. I was told to keep my head down and let it blow over. Our Commander for the TYCOM ordered the Chaplain to call every single person who put in a religious exemption to talk them out if it. We have appr 20,000 people under this TYCOM and only 39 people put in for it. I was harassed and I know the military personnel were even more than me. I dropped retirement papers because I could work for an organization who I didn’t respect any more.

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shayne's avatar

In the hospital where my husband worked as a nurse, everyone who applied for an exemption was granted one. In the end it may come down to the person or board personal who authorize this, and their own ideas/fears about C19.

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Tracy F's avatar

I’m the hospital where I worked (left over Covid and wokeness in2021) religious exemptions were being denied until the hospital realized just how many people were willing to walk out the door. Then magically, they started approving them.

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SheThinksLiberty's avatar

True, but also depends on the person invoking the exemption knowing more than the "other guy" about the law and being willing to stand in the line of fire...until the other guy backs down. I loved reading Jeff C's story on this thread about how he did just that.

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shayne's avatar

True. In my husband's case, there was no aggression at all. He handed it in and a couple of weeks later he heard he had the exemption. 70 staff in the hospital applied and received exemptions without any issues. The other hospital in our community was not so accommodating.

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CMCM's avatar

Discrimination is okay-dokey when it's their side that is doing it.

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