It also makes me wonder what Trump did or didn't know about all of this when he decided to unleash operation warp speed. I find it near impossible that he didn't have advisors or people in the Scientific community (other than Fauci & Birx!) tell him the disaster awaiting using mrna since they already had unfavorable results from past tri…
It also makes me wonder what Trump did or didn't know about all of this when he decided to unleash operation warp speed. I find it near impossible that he didn't have advisors or people in the Scientific community (other than Fauci & Birx!) tell him the disaster awaiting using mrna since they already had unfavorable results from past trials. At the very least...he had to know Fauci had an extremely sketchy past. This question weighs heavy on my heart & mind. I know there will be people who will say Trump was neck deep in attacks, obstruction, and surrounded by people who hated him thus, his reason for doing 'something'. They would be correct. He most definitely was but it's not a good enough explanation for me.
I don't think it's possible to wrap our heads around the evil that had surrounded him from day one. Think about just the rinos. They choose to wear the cloak of conservatism, whilst doing the opposite surreptitiously. That's just the rinos. Multiply that times 1000 for the faucis, the pelosis, the Obeymes, and you can maybe get a feel for what he was up against. So I can almost guarantee that he was not only kept in the dark, but was encouraged to do warp speed, whilst they probably denigrated all those protocols, knowing all the while how he hate's over regulating everything. They played him. Stupid? I think not. When you find yourself surrounded by "experts" and are constantly being beaten by the media? You tend to capitulate.
Honestly, I think Trump thought that he could win an election, the other elites would accept the will of the people and work with him. They were, after all, his former friends. What he found instead was that they turned on him - (R) and (D) alike - and set out to destroy his presidency and even his family. I don't think he truly understands how depraved these people are. They will do ANYTHING to protect their military/industrial grift....of which the "covid" response is a part.
I also think he still wants to win approval from them on some level. He is vain.
They wanted a "vaccine" and he delivered. So, he thinks he should get credit for compromising with them and helping them out. He doesn't realize he won't ever get credit from them; and the people who would be open to voting for him do not see it as something that deserves credit, but rather blame. IMO, they used him as the ultimate scapegoat for these drugs. Remember, they were against the "vaccines" until he was out of office. They had always planned to attack him over these drugs at some point.
He needs to move past 2020, realize his political enemies are mortal enemies, and drop the idea that anyone is going to "work with" him or "make deals" or even give him credit for anything. It's time for him to admit he was lied to by the gov't lifers and reframe his role in all this. It's the only thing that could cost him the election, especially as the truth begins to rapidly unfold now that Twitter is free and people are returning from summer brain-off mode.
Your reply and the comment that generated the reply make the most sense to me. DJT’s character defects + his strengths can be, have been, and will continue to be used against him.
While this may seem unrelated, I see it as part of the whole. The Duran had an interesting take in their recent review of the US credit rating downgrade, let’s see if I can do it justice: current administration is going to ramp up spending to avoid a recession before the 2024 election (“selection?”). However, conditions will be such that a recession is unavoidable by Q4 2024. If the Marxists/Communists win, they’ll shrug shoulders saying “we will deal with it”. If DJT wins, he gets all the blame, “See? The markets responded to the election of orange man negatively and look what happened!”
Trump trusted Pence. He put Pence in charge of the Covid response. And, as it turns out PENCE was as big a snake as Fauci.
Trump was being attacked in all fronts. I cannOt imagine how that felt.
Pence was so ‘holy’ acting, and that snake beguiled him.
Try to put yourself in his shoes. How in the world would you be expected to know the details of this vaccination, when all the details were wrapped up in secrecy?
Can you explain HOW he would have known?
The RAT nominee and the RAT leaders, I am sure, knew. But they were trying to impeach him before he was even sworn in!!! They were covering things up to keep him out of the loop, so WHY would believe that he knew?
(I have seen someone make this same exact argument on here before.....it may have been you.....and I don’t get why you don’t understand how EVIL this all is.)
Pence was to Trump what HW was to Reagan. CIA/deep state plants intended to keep the "enemy" under control. I am also convinced the idea was to get Trump to develop these drugs as part of OWS, then blame him for the destruction if he won re-election. Remember, "Joe Biden" and Kamala were against these drugs until after they "won." When Trump "lost" (yeah, right), they moved to plan B - use the drugs for control, power grabs, and profit...and then still blame Trump years later for being the one who "created" them. Trump needs to step out from this mess and simply admit he was lied to by the Faucis of the gov't. That's really all it would take.
No,wasn't me. I totally believe he was played by the most evil beings among us. Absolutely. I think he is a good man, and wants to see this country do right. What he got from Obeyme ( Jarrett) was a total mess,and in short order, what happened? Almost by sheer force of will. It worked. And he was working with putin to take care of Ukraine, being that debacle is all our fault since bush the elder ran the cia. Only reason putin didn't invade Ukraine was not for fear of trump, but knowing trump was all about getting us out of nato, and prosecuting the shiny negro and his minion, and hopefully getting nuland and Jarrett to boot.
The plan was to keep us locked down for 5 or 6 years, until all economies were broken, and all willpower of the masses crushed to the point they would ALL be begging for "vaccines" in order to be let out of their private and not so private prisons. That was the choice Trump faced. Plus, they were not ready to roll out the jabs, hence the high number of saline placebo shots. This is the War to end all Wars. it was NOT WWI. People die in wars, lots of them. Let many die, or let many more die. That was his choice. Save everyone was not an option. Remember you had many normies who were screaming for the "opportunity" to get a vax, and he could not ignore them.
The Brits broke the German enigma code after Poles smuggled out a machine to them. Wonderful, but if you acted on every piece of decoded information's the Germans would quickly figure out their code was broken , and change it. As it was, they never changed it, because the Brits were very selective on when they acted on decoded information. Perhaps the most famous example of this was when Churchill was informed the Germans planned to bomb Coventry the following night. Rather than mass RAF fighters to repel the attack, he did nothing. Coventry burned, and many died. But the enigma secret was preserved.
There is nothing easy about real leadership positions, and Monday morning quarterbacks are never wrong.
I get your analogies and you're probably right that Trump had little to no choice. But, what's his excuse now? He's still bragging about OWS. He's incredibly vocal about so many other injustices and has no problem publicly calling out specific people who are perpetrating those injustices but he refuses to address the mrna jab debacle. Honestly, I'm not sure what he could or should say at this point but at the very least, he should stop bragging about OWS and maybe acknowledge there are valid negative issues with the jabs.
I watched 2 recent Trump rallies in their entirety last weekend and he didn’t brag about OWS. Trump isn’t perfect, no one is, and he failed in underestimating who he could trust and who he couldn’t. Once he was the nominee the GOP basically demanded that certain people be placed in positions. They undermined him from day one. Monday morning QB’s are always right and mistakes are easy to see in retrospect. At this point I don’t see a better alternative than Trump for 2024. The blame of this evil scheme falls rightfully on Fraudchi, Gates, WHO, NIH, CDC, DOD, Birx, Pence (who headed the task force) as well as many healthcare professionals and organizations who went along with pushing the jabs when they should have known better by the many many red flags that were so obvious from the beginning.
Exactly, the globalists considered Trump their mortal enemy and refused to share any valid info with him. They did the same to Boris. You'll notice both of those men always looked confused and uncoordinated while the "good" western leaders (aka, WEF followers) were all given the same script and seemed to in on the underlying plot. My guess would be it was actually the plan all along to saddle Trump with the creation of these drugs. It's to Trump's discredit, though, that he still thinks the drugs are popular among anyone who would be open to voting for him. He need to move on from 2020 and catch up to where we are now.
Yeah I share your thoughts on this. I mean, maybe there is a good reason behind his doing this, but I am unhappy that he is still bragging about the shots and not acknowledging any issues with them.
Check out this essay and it tells you what Trump did before the Rona epidemic hit and I think that he was fully aware of what was happening. Anyone who thinks that he was lied to is misinformed…lol. Misinformed. Get it?
It also makes me wonder what Trump did or didn't know about all of this when he decided to unleash operation warp speed. I find it near impossible that he didn't have advisors or people in the Scientific community (other than Fauci & Birx!) tell him the disaster awaiting using mrna since they already had unfavorable results from past trials. At the very least...he had to know Fauci had an extremely sketchy past. This question weighs heavy on my heart & mind. I know there will be people who will say Trump was neck deep in attacks, obstruction, and surrounded by people who hated him thus, his reason for doing 'something'. They would be correct. He most definitely was but it's not a good enough explanation for me.
I don't think it's possible to wrap our heads around the evil that had surrounded him from day one. Think about just the rinos. They choose to wear the cloak of conservatism, whilst doing the opposite surreptitiously. That's just the rinos. Multiply that times 1000 for the faucis, the pelosis, the Obeymes, and you can maybe get a feel for what he was up against. So I can almost guarantee that he was not only kept in the dark, but was encouraged to do warp speed, whilst they probably denigrated all those protocols, knowing all the while how he hate's over regulating everything. They played him. Stupid? I think not. When you find yourself surrounded by "experts" and are constantly being beaten by the media? You tend to capitulate.
Honestly, I think Trump thought that he could win an election, the other elites would accept the will of the people and work with him. They were, after all, his former friends. What he found instead was that they turned on him - (R) and (D) alike - and set out to destroy his presidency and even his family. I don't think he truly understands how depraved these people are. They will do ANYTHING to protect their military/industrial grift....of which the "covid" response is a part.
I also think he still wants to win approval from them on some level. He is vain.
They wanted a "vaccine" and he delivered. So, he thinks he should get credit for compromising with them and helping them out. He doesn't realize he won't ever get credit from them; and the people who would be open to voting for him do not see it as something that deserves credit, but rather blame. IMO, they used him as the ultimate scapegoat for these drugs. Remember, they were against the "vaccines" until he was out of office. They had always planned to attack him over these drugs at some point.
He needs to move past 2020, realize his political enemies are mortal enemies, and drop the idea that anyone is going to "work with" him or "make deals" or even give him credit for anything. It's time for him to admit he was lied to by the gov't lifers and reframe his role in all this. It's the only thing that could cost him the election, especially as the truth begins to rapidly unfold now that Twitter is free and people are returning from summer brain-off mode.
Your reply and the comment that generated the reply make the most sense to me. DJT’s character defects + his strengths can be, have been, and will continue to be used against him.
While this may seem unrelated, I see it as part of the whole. The Duran had an interesting take in their recent review of the US credit rating downgrade, let’s see if I can do it justice: current administration is going to ramp up spending to avoid a recession before the 2024 election (“selection?”). However, conditions will be such that a recession is unavoidable by Q4 2024. If the Marxists/Communists win, they’ll shrug shoulders saying “we will deal with it”. If DJT wins, he gets all the blame, “See? The markets responded to the election of orange man negatively and look what happened!”
Trump trusted Pence. He put Pence in charge of the Covid response. And, as it turns out PENCE was as big a snake as Fauci.
Trump was being attacked in all fronts. I cannOt imagine how that felt.
Pence was so ‘holy’ acting, and that snake beguiled him.
Try to put yourself in his shoes. How in the world would you be expected to know the details of this vaccination, when all the details were wrapped up in secrecy?
Can you explain HOW he would have known?
The RAT nominee and the RAT leaders, I am sure, knew. But they were trying to impeach him before he was even sworn in!!! They were covering things up to keep him out of the loop, so WHY would believe that he knew?
(I have seen someone make this same exact argument on here before.....it may have been you.....and I don’t get why you don’t understand how EVIL this all is.)
First time I have heard a lot of blame put on Pence but interesting take. Infor sure don’t trust him as far as I can spit. He is a traitor!
Yes! Trump DID appoint Pence to be in charge of the Covid response! Everyone seems to forget that!
Read Scott Atlas's book about his time at the White House in 2020. Pence and Birx were great friends.
Pence was to Trump what HW was to Reagan. CIA/deep state plants intended to keep the "enemy" under control. I am also convinced the idea was to get Trump to develop these drugs as part of OWS, then blame him for the destruction if he won re-election. Remember, "Joe Biden" and Kamala were against these drugs until after they "won." When Trump "lost" (yeah, right), they moved to plan B - use the drugs for control, power grabs, and profit...and then still blame Trump years later for being the one who "created" them. Trump needs to step out from this mess and simply admit he was lied to by the Faucis of the gov't. That's really all it would take.
No,wasn't me. I totally believe he was played by the most evil beings among us. Absolutely. I think he is a good man, and wants to see this country do right. What he got from Obeyme ( Jarrett) was a total mess,and in short order, what happened? Almost by sheer force of will. It worked. And he was working with putin to take care of Ukraine, being that debacle is all our fault since bush the elder ran the cia. Only reason putin didn't invade Ukraine was not for fear of trump, but knowing trump was all about getting us out of nato, and prosecuting the shiny negro and his minion, and hopefully getting nuland and Jarrett to boot.
The plan was to keep us locked down for 5 or 6 years, until all economies were broken, and all willpower of the masses crushed to the point they would ALL be begging for "vaccines" in order to be let out of their private and not so private prisons. That was the choice Trump faced. Plus, they were not ready to roll out the jabs, hence the high number of saline placebo shots. This is the War to end all Wars. it was NOT WWI. People die in wars, lots of them. Let many die, or let many more die. That was his choice. Save everyone was not an option. Remember you had many normies who were screaming for the "opportunity" to get a vax, and he could not ignore them.
The Brits broke the German enigma code after Poles smuggled out a machine to them. Wonderful, but if you acted on every piece of decoded information's the Germans would quickly figure out their code was broken , and change it. As it was, they never changed it, because the Brits were very selective on when they acted on decoded information. Perhaps the most famous example of this was when Churchill was informed the Germans planned to bomb Coventry the following night. Rather than mass RAF fighters to repel the attack, he did nothing. Coventry burned, and many died. But the enigma secret was preserved.
There is nothing easy about real leadership positions, and Monday morning quarterbacks are never wrong.
We need to stop making excuses for these people. Bobby Kennedy is out talking openly about all of it. Still crickets from Trump.
I get your analogies and you're probably right that Trump had little to no choice. But, what's his excuse now? He's still bragging about OWS. He's incredibly vocal about so many other injustices and has no problem publicly calling out specific people who are perpetrating those injustices but he refuses to address the mrna jab debacle. Honestly, I'm not sure what he could or should say at this point but at the very least, he should stop bragging about OWS and maybe acknowledge there are valid negative issues with the jabs.
I watched 2 recent Trump rallies in their entirety last weekend and he didn’t brag about OWS. Trump isn’t perfect, no one is, and he failed in underestimating who he could trust and who he couldn’t. Once he was the nominee the GOP basically demanded that certain people be placed in positions. They undermined him from day one. Monday morning QB’s are always right and mistakes are easy to see in retrospect. At this point I don’t see a better alternative than Trump for 2024. The blame of this evil scheme falls rightfully on Fraudchi, Gates, WHO, NIH, CDC, DOD, Birx, Pence (who headed the task force) as well as many healthcare professionals and organizations who went along with pushing the jabs when they should have known better by the many many red flags that were so obvious from the beginning.
Exactly, the globalists considered Trump their mortal enemy and refused to share any valid info with him. They did the same to Boris. You'll notice both of those men always looked confused and uncoordinated while the "good" western leaders (aka, WEF followers) were all given the same script and seemed to in on the underlying plot. My guess would be it was actually the plan all along to saddle Trump with the creation of these drugs. It's to Trump's discredit, though, that he still thinks the drugs are popular among anyone who would be open to voting for him. He need to move on from 2020 and catch up to where we are now.
Robert F. Kennedy Jr.!!!
Yeah I share your thoughts on this. I mean, maybe there is a good reason behind his doing this, but I am unhappy that he is still bragging about the shots and not acknowledging any issues with them.
Trump was more concerned about being re-elected than taking on pHarma.
I use a pro-wrestling analogy for this. It's all fake. One wrestler is the "baby-face" and the other is the "heel."
Trump was the "baby-face."
This operation warp speed started in back in the 90s.....
They’ve never actually had double-blind tests on ANY vaxs. None.
Really? Can you tell me when it was last used to roll out untested vaccines (btw, covid shots are not really vaccines) to the entire US population?
Mike Wallace hosted 60 Minutes about that failed vax. Featured people vax injured.
Check out this essay and it tells you what Trump did before the Rona epidemic hit and I think that he was fully aware of what was happening. Anyone who thinks that he was lied to is misinformed…lol. Misinformed. Get it?
https://secularheretic.substack.com/p/donald-j-trump-the-story-no-one-wants
Me too..