PP, this is yet another point that just staggers me -- the equating of that political state on the Mediterranean with the Biblical 𝒏𝒂𝒕𝒊𝒐𝒏 of Israel -- the 𝒏𝒂𝒕𝒊𝒐𝒏 comprising tribes -- not a damn modern-day political invention with borders it has violated repeatedly, enabled by Balfour more than 100 years ago...
PP, this is yet another point that just staggers me -- the equating of that political state on the Mediterranean with the Biblical 𝒏𝒂𝒕𝒊𝒐𝒏 of Israel -- the 𝒏𝒂𝒕𝒊𝒐𝒏 comprising tribes -- not a damn modern-day political invention with borders it has violated repeatedly, enabled by Balfour more than 100 years ago...
I can't help myself, I have to add this. Historians tell us the the Celtic tribes first suddenly appeared in history on the west side of the Caucasus mountains (in the millions) and over time migrated west to the British isles.
Now, Joseph of Arimathea was Jesus' uncle. He was a rich tin merchant who made his money supplying tin to the Roman empire for their army which was necessary for their weapons. It was his tomb that Jesus was buried in. Now uncle Joseph obtained his tin to sell to the Romans from mines in the British isles. To keep the mines secret from the Romans, Joseph ordered his ships to scuttle themselves anytime they were followed by the Romans. Tradition has it that his young nephew Jesus once traveled with him to the British isles where he ministered to the people there. Seems the 10 tribes disappeared from recorded history but God didn't forget them.
I almost forgot... Tradition also tells us that Paul traveled to the British isles where he preached the gospel on Lud hill. What was surprising to Paul was that he found people who were already believers in the Messiah. This is the same hill that St. Paul's Cathedral is built on. You gotta love tradition.
Do you have a source for the last post re the Celts, Jesus & Joseph of A, & Britain etc?
The Israel State vs the Israel of Bible prophesy is my response to the left-behind end times thing, the clock assumed to start upon the establishment of Israel. But there are many other reasons why I don’t accept that dispensational view of God’s plan.
Wow, that takes me back more than 40 years. Obviously, secular historians will not support anything that gives credence to the Biblical account of history. They simply ignore it. They don't even attempt to answer the question of the origin of the Celts who just magically appeared in the millions on the western steps of the Caucasus mountains. Same thing goes for the Flood, creation or any Biblical historical account.
Anyway, back then I learn a lot of this from a Biblical scholar/historian I listened to. Most of these accounts come from church tradition rather than officially recognized histories. One would have to spend a lot of time researching church traditions around the Mediterranean to pull it all together. I don't have any sources you can actually look up but there must be some writers who have published on this. I haven't been in it for a long time.
What I find humorous is that even during the time of Jesus there were only two tribes in Israel, the tribe of Judah and a few from Levi. The 10 tribes of northern Israel that had been taken into captivity rejected an offer from Judah to return to the land and instead decided to pick up and go west. They crossed the Caucasus Mountains and disappeared off the pages of recorded history. With the sacking of Jerusalem and the destruction of the Temple in 70 AD, the Jews were dispersed and the genealogies destroyed thus ending forever the Old Covenant sacrificial system. Without the genealogies, there can be no High Priest without whom there can be no sacrifice. Obviously, God put an end to it because the sacrifice of the Christ is the ultimate sacrifice and he is now the High Priest.
BTW, at the same time the 10 tribes disappeared from history into the Caucasus mountains the Celtic tribes suddenly appeared, in the millions, on the east side of the Caucasus mountains. Gee, I wonder.....
Yes. That was the point of God destroying the Temple and the genealogies. The OT provisional administration of grace was ended once the Messiah came and fulfilled everything that was foreshadowed by the OT covenant. Those who rejected the Messiah when he came to them were cut off from covenant with God. But His offer is always available to all.
Phil — I’m way behind in my reading but found this thread I’d left open on my ph. You had better watch what you post, bc they are so good I am copying & saving a great many lest those gems get lost & buried in the sediments of C&C comms. Treasures.
PP, this is yet another point that just staggers me -- the equating of that political state on the Mediterranean with the Biblical 𝒏𝒂𝒕𝒊𝒐𝒏 of Israel -- the 𝒏𝒂𝒕𝒊𝒐𝒏 comprising tribes -- not a damn modern-day political invention with borders it has violated repeatedly, enabled by Balfour more than 100 years ago...
I can't help myself, I have to add this. Historians tell us the the Celtic tribes first suddenly appeared in history on the west side of the Caucasus mountains (in the millions) and over time migrated west to the British isles.
Now, Joseph of Arimathea was Jesus' uncle. He was a rich tin merchant who made his money supplying tin to the Roman empire for their army which was necessary for their weapons. It was his tomb that Jesus was buried in. Now uncle Joseph obtained his tin to sell to the Romans from mines in the British isles. To keep the mines secret from the Romans, Joseph ordered his ships to scuttle themselves anytime they were followed by the Romans. Tradition has it that his young nephew Jesus once traveled with him to the British isles where he ministered to the people there. Seems the 10 tribes disappeared from recorded history but God didn't forget them.
I almost forgot... Tradition also tells us that Paul traveled to the British isles where he preached the gospel on Lud hill. What was surprising to Paul was that he found people who were already believers in the Messiah. This is the same hill that St. Paul's Cathedral is built on. You gotta love tradition.
Great little thread PP.
Do you have a source for the last post re the Celts, Jesus & Joseph of A, & Britain etc?
The Israel State vs the Israel of Bible prophesy is my response to the left-behind end times thing, the clock assumed to start upon the establishment of Israel. But there are many other reasons why I don’t accept that dispensational view of God’s plan.
Thanks for all your thoughts today.
Wow, that takes me back more than 40 years. Obviously, secular historians will not support anything that gives credence to the Biblical account of history. They simply ignore it. They don't even attempt to answer the question of the origin of the Celts who just magically appeared in the millions on the western steps of the Caucasus mountains. Same thing goes for the Flood, creation or any Biblical historical account.
Anyway, back then I learn a lot of this from a Biblical scholar/historian I listened to. Most of these accounts come from church tradition rather than officially recognized histories. One would have to spend a lot of time researching church traditions around the Mediterranean to pull it all together. I don't have any sources you can actually look up but there must be some writers who have published on this. I haven't been in it for a long time.
What I find humorous is that even during the time of Jesus there were only two tribes in Israel, the tribe of Judah and a few from Levi. The 10 tribes of northern Israel that had been taken into captivity rejected an offer from Judah to return to the land and instead decided to pick up and go west. They crossed the Caucasus Mountains and disappeared off the pages of recorded history. With the sacking of Jerusalem and the destruction of the Temple in 70 AD, the Jews were dispersed and the genealogies destroyed thus ending forever the Old Covenant sacrificial system. Without the genealogies, there can be no High Priest without whom there can be no sacrifice. Obviously, God put an end to it because the sacrifice of the Christ is the ultimate sacrifice and he is now the High Priest.
BTW, at the same time the 10 tribes disappeared from history into the Caucasus mountains the Celtic tribes suddenly appeared, in the millions, on the east side of the Caucasus mountains. Gee, I wonder.....
Yep. But I thought Christ’s death on the cross ended the sacrifices — once for all — & the rending of the curtain in the temple was a sign of it.
So even hypothetically, if they had all their priestly ducks in a row & all the tribes, it’d be useless. …?
Yes. That was the point of God destroying the Temple and the genealogies. The OT provisional administration of grace was ended once the Messiah came and fulfilled everything that was foreshadowed by the OT covenant. Those who rejected the Messiah when he came to them were cut off from covenant with God. But His offer is always available to all.
Phil — I’m way behind in my reading but found this thread I’d left open on my ph. You had better watch what you post, bc they are so good I am copying & saving a great many lest those gems get lost & buried in the sediments of C&C comms. Treasures.
Just thought you might like to know.
https://www.coffeeandcovid.com/p/leaks-wednesday-october-11-2023-c/comment/41673716#comment-41912275?utm_source=activity_item
Yes! Thanks PP. God Bless!
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