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Based Florida Man's avatar

Note he did praise mask wearing and 'lets get these vaccines in everyone's arm".

BUT it was very early in the scamdemic when Trump was still in.

And he's been behaved since.

But do realize he was briefly a Covidian.

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NAB's avatar

Do we know if he has recanted those early statements, BFM? I am willing to accept those who can admit to mistakes or even say knowing what they know now, they would do things differently (ahem, President Trump, I'm looking at you).

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Fred's avatar

He’s stuck; if he criticizes the jabs, he looses the pro vax independents (if there are any) and those scared sh—-less because they’re jabbed. and gives MSM even more fodder to show how “crazy” he is. I marvel at the persistent cognitive dissonance! The anti-vaxxers need to give him some leeway on this topic IMHO. We have a war to win…

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Willing Spirit's avatar

I think there’s a sizable number of Republicans, who are pro vaccine. I see people post on here about their conservative parents, who won’t listen to them about the risks of the jabs.

As for President Trump (hint, hint), how stupid would it be for him to go on some anti vaxx campaign at this point in time. We’re an echo chamber here. Out there, they are no way yet United on the subject.

There are damned serious issues out there in regards to an army of illegal immigrants flooding our country, evil beings destroying our economy and trying to force us into slavery.

Anti vaxx is just one issue. I know some of you think it’s the ONLY issue that matters. I suspect you’re Trump haters, you thought it would sink Trump and you’re having trouble dealing with the fact it hasn’t sunk him. HE’S FIFTY POINTS AHEAD IN THE POLLS! And being attacked hourly by the communists in our government and you want him to genuflect to YOU.

I’m sick of this crap on here. Suck it up! Stop sucking on sour grapes.

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NAB's avatar

Willing, I really don't want to fight about this with you. I know where you stand and I will say, once more, that I recognize both strengths and weaknesses of human beings - MYSELF INCLUDED. I am not asking for an "anti-vaccine" rant from President Trump. I am asking for some reflection, humility and insight. Now maybe that is asking too much but your comments (and I can only go by your comments since I don't know you personally) indicate that you have made Trump into a political idol (and again, I know how human it is do that as our hearts are idol-making machines). Please receive this comment in the spirit in which it is offered - a person who has her own concerns which might not line up precisely with yours.

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Willing Spirit's avatar

I don’t have idols. I do recognize giants among men. And I think you are demonstrating a severe lack of understanding of the state this nation is in. I find your comments about President Trump to be highly disrespectful, particularly considering the hell he is currently walking through. Could you take an entire day of that pressure?

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NAB's avatar

If you find my desire for some insight and self-reflection from the man who has been, and could potentially become again, the most powerful person in the world to be disrespectful, then you and I are using different dictionaries.

I know FULL WELL the state of our country. I know because I interact in this world every day. I have five children - one a teenager still at home and the others just barely launched as adults - and I've seen first hand the damage done by terrible political decisions. President Trump gave the go-ahead for a shut down that wreaked havoc on kids - academically, socially and mentally. And yes, when you have a kid who says things like "I just don't want to be here anymore" because his life was turned upside down during Covid, I do expect the person who wants my vote to express some regret or to say "I will NEVER let that happen again. I made decisions at the time that I thought would benefit us, but I now know, those decisions cost us dearly. If I get the privilege of leading this country again, I will do everything in my power to dismantle the structures that dictated the terms for over two years of how people conducted their lives." This isn't that hard.

Yes, Trump is suffering. Yes, his first term was basically a slow-moving coup. I get it. I know all the lies, I know all the pressure brought to bear on him. I understand. But that doesn't mean he gets a free pass on everything. But, again, you and I disagree so I will leave it here and I will not engage further on this topic with you.

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MayBella82's avatar

I agree with you about Giants among men. Thank you God that most people will never understand or ever go through what they do. I thank God for making men like that so I can sleep in a warm bed at night, have a roof over my head, food on my table and have time in the morning to read Jeff’s posts and the comments. Someone I love is in harms way and has been for the last two years because this administration. He is a Giant. Personally, I wish people would focus on the present and future of this country for our kids and grandkids.

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Willing Spirit's avatar

About Republicans, who still support vaccines; I have neighbors (a very conservative couple- very involved and active in Republican politics) who fell hook, line and sinker at the beginning of the scam. And these are people, who are relatively knowledgeable about health practices.

When the lockdowns first started, I spotted my neighbor and headed his way to talk. When I was probably 15 feet away, he threw up his hands and said, “social distancing. 6 feet”. He and his wife do not watch MSM. They do watch NewMax. And NewsMax taught them that.

People can be very conservative in many positions, but they have been led to believe that vaccines are beneficial and they don’t relate that to politics at all. It will take some time to educate the masses.

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Truth 101's avatar

Fox ha$ been all in on the vaxxe$ too (Tucker was the exception. )

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devoalan's avatar

In the beginning of this clusterfuck, most people were covidiots. We had no knowledge to compare anything to. After a few months though? Yeah, the plan was to find out how many sheep they own.

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Based Florida Man's avatar

Well, but not really. Jeff Childers was never a covidian. Nor many of us here.

How'd we figure it out, even in the beginning? I never once considered the Shot.

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Unlike geniuses like Steve Kirsch who went out and not only got multiple shots himself, but forced his kids to jab up as well.

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devoalan's avatar

Well being that both my bride and I are under the care of the same oncologist, and he recommended we both get the shots, she did, I refused. It was long after that she was concerned, and I am finally justified, being my issue is a clotting disorder. I would probably be dead, like way back then. Bride is fine, with no side effects at all. Me thinks she got saline. But initially nobody knew anything except the idiocy of the cdc and the like making us walk around the store in one direction! Lol. I got yelled at by a covidiot. Btw, I was in the hospital twice during that initial three months, when the idiocy was insane, like the ship in nyc, the stupid nursey videos (my bride is an rn, retired because of the cancer but a 45 year career,) and it was all lies. I was almost alone in there, one broken leg, a blown out disk, knee surgery. I tend to overdo fun, and pay for it with breaking things. The hospital was empty. The parking lot was empty. I think there may have been four nurses total on the floor for all shifts. They canceled all elective surgery, and basically shut down the hospital for nothing. Then I knew I made the right decision.

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JustANobody's avatar

Oh yes. In CT.. Hosptals were empty. I had all kinds of tests done and they were waiting for me!! Also no Biohazard Bins anywhere for the filthy uesless masks! I knew we were being played! Warp Soeed?? No Thanks!

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OnTheJump's avatar

Interesting topic of conversation, here, BFM.

I mean - what kept YOU from rolling up a sleeve ?

For me ? It seemed awfully fishy, that within mere months they could develop a "vaccine" that would solve "such a serious issue" ...... OPERATION WARP SPEED, my Aunt Fannie !

Other resons as well, but I believe that, for me, was primary among them.

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SadieJay's avatar

Geert Vanden Bossche opened my eyes to the danger, but I have always been a skeptical kind of gal and if everyone else was doing it, and they were pushing it SO hard, I just don't follow. Because I do not bend to peer pressure. I do just the opposite. Turns out, this time, it saved my life.

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NotaBot's avatar

I saw Maddie de Garay’s videos and that scared me to avoid jabs -you can’t undo them.

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OnTheJump's avatar

Yes, hers and many others. Awful. Criminal.

......and how many simply refuse to consider the possibility that the cause of these injuries in, indeed, the jabs, the spike sauce - the "not-a-vaccine". Foolish to have a "nothing to see here, folks" attitude, in these times.

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CarO Lyn's avatar

I had been in the Low Carb community for several years and didn’t trust most of the medical community & big pharma based on what I had learned so I was never tempted to get the shots.

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Susan W's avatar

Personally, in the beginning, I just don't like needles and that was that. I've never had a flu jab either. I had a huge sliver one time and my husband was like "you should get a tetanus shot"- I said I'd take my chances with lockjaw, thanks.

Why should something that is supposed to keep you well make you sick?? Even for a day? I hope the lady on TikTok survived this booster ...

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Nikki (Gayle) Nicholson's avatar

I agree, never did I consider taking the jab, on the basis of no safety studies. It was simple to figure that out. It takes years, and that’s not enough time to see what the side effects are for anything that the pharmaceutical world puts together. People throughout their common sense, and let fear possess them to the point of stupidity.

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Tonya's avatar

Data and science people who thought medical science was being done honestly were taken in if they were fairly honest people who couldn't conceive of why people in the medical field would manipulate the data so much.

Super naïve displaced trust in the medical system.

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NAB's avatar

This had to be said.

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Julie Ann B's avatar

The entire narrative was off so I was suspicious right from the beginning. I never once considered getting the Covid vaccine, not even for a second. As a RN with 32 years of experience, it was obvious this was different in so many ways. Alarm bells were going off left and right yet so many people ignored it. Blind trust in government? Not for me or my family ever!

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CMCM's avatar

Same here. As I read up on everything my recurring thought was that nothing added up, nothing made sense. And I already knew about the previous failure of mRNA so I didn't believe there was any possible way they could have created a vaccine that quickly. No way.

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Gigi Gummerson's avatar

I never got any either Florida Man BUT I also was blessed with COVID in March 2021, best 60th birthday gift 🤦🏻‍♀️. We started doing research and haven’t stoped since. God has interesting ways of nudging us...I am truly grateful!

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Peter 🔒's avatar

A supposed positive test for an anti-body, does not mean you had covid. It may or may not exist. If it does not exist at all, think about how much wasted energy, finances and stupid rules and carnage THEY created.

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Willing Spirit's avatar

Well, I have always had an ear open in regards to biological weapons. For decades, we’ve been hearing about them. In the very beginning I believed I needed to be open to the possibility that the evil beings had concocted a deadly virus and released it.

I saw the worldwide hysteria and the panic of our fellow citizens. I listened to President Trump try to calm the storm with common sense. But the herd was spooked and galloping out of control, just like in the old Rawhide episodes. It was either get out of the way, or get run over by a bazillion sharp hooves.

I knew the players, and as I saw them coalesce around their scheme, then it became clear to me that this is how they intended to take down President Trump. They had to spook the entire world and take so many lives, but it was worth it to them.

I’ve never liked vaccines, studied some anti vaxx works back in the 70’s-my hippie days- and knew I wasn’t about to fall for the ‘jab’.

But I cannot say that at the very outset, even though I was very skeptical, that I didn’t wonder if they’d figured out how to kill us all.

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Irunthis1's avatar

Not me. Could smell the bullshit wafting of this one from miles away. They made way too big a deal out of what appeared to be a normal or slightly bad influenza like illness. Don’t know why exactly but I was immediately unconvinced and unmoved by their screaming from the rafters. Never missed a day of work even tho I was dealing with some pretty serious afib episodes at the time so. Still haven’t missed work from illness and even had heart surgery in 2022 during a planned vacation. Pretty sure more than a few folks here had the same intuition.

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Barbara ( Portlander😵‍💫)'s avatar

I just knew in my soul not to take the jab.

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BelleTower's avatar

Not I said the fly. I did a lot of research and very early on found info dump on early Chinese covid cases ... deaths and severe cases ENTIRELY in the elderly ... I decided to go about my life, to focus on bolstering my immunity and keep my kids living as normally as possible. Members of Congress would obviously have better access to info than I did

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Fred's avatar

For me, or was the absolute failures of the SARS jabs that never made it to human trials. Followed shortly by a family SADS ☠️ <48 hours post jab.

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Fred's avatar

I can easily forgive anyone who bought into the rhetoric early on; the psyops was masterfully coordinated and implemented.

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Carrie's avatar

What made me skeptical from the beginning was the hashtags on any of your favorite tv channels in the low right corner saying “#stayhomestaysafe”… I immediately thought “they” are advising no fresh air, no exercise, no basic wellness. Then the mask statements by Tony Fauci (originally correct - they don’t do anything… then contortionist reasoning why they protect general public in a grocery store based on no evidence).

Then treating travel like a sin. Every mitigation plan proposed or enacted required law abiding citizens to give up freedom. I called BS on the mitigation policies from the beginning, and immediately decided I’m not sharing any details of my personal life with anyone, not telling people at work if I was leaving town to visit family. That practice made it easy when the shots came out. If someone asked me if I was getting the shot, I just said, “I keep that information personal and private.” That simple practice may have helped some people avoid peer pressure.

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Johnny Be Real's avatar

I let’s disappointing anyone fell for this. I spent several hours in 2020 reading on viral science and saw so many problems with the narrative that I could never believe it.

For example, SARS-COV spreads to animals, meaning it can never be eliminated. One of GOV early lies was that the shots would stop the spread and it clearly was not true based on decades of prior scientific knowledge. They also said we needed shots even after getting it natural, so they lied about the history we have of natural immunity, which is again based in years of science.

But if someone realizes the truth and changes direct, I’m all for supporting that!

Fool me once, but not twice.

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Hello300's avatar

Smart move. I looked into why mRNA had never been used before in vaccines. Everything I read showed that it never got past animal testing because too many animals died. Then I saw that they skipped animal testing for the COVID vaccines and I said NO WAY. I told friends and family. Some listened and some didn’t.

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MayBella82's avatar

Same for me.

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Barf's avatar

He also said during an interview in which he spoke sympathetically about Floyd that his black son would have a harder time in life than his white son simply because he was black. He also said there was a need for "systemic changes" to fix racism in the country, which would seem to imply that he thinks government should fix these problems. It would appear that he's on board with the left's race hustle.

I'll withhold judgement but the early signs are not good. Last night I had seen his first action would be a vote to pound more money down the Ukie and Israeli ratholes.

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MayBella82's avatar

Just Israel... not Ukraine. I am good with that. No more money to Ukraine. We need to get our guys out of there.

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Bitesandpieces's avatar

Did not know that. Well, I guess we can give him a pass on that one. I’m worried for him, though, if he’s been jabbed. Maybe he’ll have dodged the bullet.

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Susan Stephens's avatar

Maybe he’s following the FLCCC shot detox.

When I meet anyone who’s taken one or more I point them there.

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Christy's avatar

There’s VERY few of us who were skeptical in the beginning, maybe Alex jones and Glenn beck were skeptical. I think most people believed the hype, especially trump, who promoted it for forever!

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Willing Spirit's avatar

Trump did not promote it forever! He tried to provide a sense of safety to an out of control, panicked population. I listened to all his briefings. He tried so hard to convince people to calm down. He tried to compare it to the flu and recommend natural treatments. The people would not calm down and the media twisted his words and tried to crucify him.

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Christy's avatar

Lol. We can agree to disagree. I listened to him too and he bragged about rushing the jab well after important jab related information came out. I can see you’re very pro trump and that’s fine, but HE trusted that rat fauchi and put him in charge. And I know we can disagree on a lot about what has happened. Just like trump spent just like the rest of the government. But what we can agree on is that I hope he gets back as prez and goes on a war path!!!

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Willing Spirit's avatar

Interesting. You think he did an awful job as President, but you want him back. Consider this list of accomplishments. And I definitely don’t agree with your negative statements.

Trump did the following:

1) stopped ISIS cold
2) EO stopping the drug companies from charging medicare more than what they charged foreign countries
3) EO forcing hospitals to disclose their prices
4) Move the US embassy in Israel to Jerusalem
5) ENERGY INDEPENDENCE for the first time in my lifetime of 70 years, and record low energy prices
6) Started no new wars
6A) Abraham Accords, bringing peace to the middle east instead of war
7) Elimination of regulations, required to eliminate 8 to add a new one
8) Cut Taxes across the board
9) Increased the individual tax credit eliminating the need to file more complicated returns
10) Started the space force, sorely needed today
11) Replaced NAFTA with an agreement better for American workers
12) Put tariffs on china, starting the process of moving American production out of the enemy’s land
13) Brought back massive amounts of money saved in foreign countries
14) Withdrew from the farce know as the Paris Climate Accords
15) Withdrew from the Iran deal
16) Increased the $$$ of the average family by over 5K
17) Started the process of fixing the VA
18) Increased the spending by other NATO countries
19) Killed the Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP)
20) Created several million jobs, actual creation not bafflegab bullshit
21) Economic growth rates were going up, somewhere around 4% before the marxist killed the economy with the scam chinaVirus
22) Lowest rate of unemployment ever, across the board for blacks, hispanics, asians, veterans, etc.
23) Opened ANWAR and had the Keystone pipeline being constructed

There is much more of course. Makes your pathetic attempt to paint Trump poorly look just like it is.

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Christy's avatar

Wow. We are on the same page, I said we could cordially agree to disagree but now my views are pathetic? So much for open debate and middle school name calling.

And I listed 2 things I didn’t like about his presidency, nowhere did I say he did an awful job! I see that you’re very passionate about this subject, so AGAIN, we can agree to disagree about trump and his jab views. Calling me pathetic won’t win you any debates.

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Willing Spirit's avatar

I could care less about winning in this debate. If it’s important to you, you take the trophy.

I’m following the hell President Trump is being subjected to on a daily basis, and I think it’s highly disrespectful to criticize him at this point in time. Perhaps you could save it until the Major League Players have learned their lesson about opposing Donald Trump.

I believe this below with all my heart:

TCTH. 9/09/23

President Trump has something behind him, something holding him in the gap.  He has the power and favor of the purest truth around him, and he has the support of a grateful nation.

Massive numbers of Americans, far more than the corrupt system operators would like to admit, are standing with President Trump as our gloriously imperfect vessel to destroy all their schemes.

It is the most remarkable moment in history as one man stands the gap and fearlessly faces down the combined effort of decades of political corruption.

It truly is inspiring.

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Willing Spirit's avatar

Also, the briefings I referred to, began, I believe in March 2020, as the panic was reaching a boiling point. I believe they ended a couple of months later, when President Trump realized that common sense didn’t stand a chance.

The vaccine production came months later, when the world was demanding it.

So, you did not hear President Trump ‘Bragging’ about vaccines in those briefings. You would have heard him trying to counter the ‘there are no treatments’ claim. For which efforts, he was continually vilified. And the herd was still stampeding; the runaway train still picking up speed all around the world.

Most people believe vaccines equal immunity. They were demanding them. At this point, I would wager that the majority of people still believe vaccines are a good thing.

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Christy's avatar

It’s a little concerning how much you place trump almost as your idol or even God. He has faults, just like every other human. I pray he never lets you down!

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Willing Spirit's avatar

Trump is not my idol. I have no idol. I worship only the triune Christian God. Of course Trump has faults. But maybe just now, while the communists are trying to kill him is not the time to focus on them. You ever hear that ‘you shouldn’t kick a good man, when he’s down’? In spite of his flaws, he has a greatness that is extremely rare among the ‘Nancy boy’ wussy politicians we generally have to deal with.

That you cannot see that, that you lack respect for his accomplishments; lack empathy for the trials and tribulations he is facing because he loves America; is a definite flaw in your character. But you’re certainly not alone. This is a sad, defective generation, that is incapable of realizing the grave danger that surrounds us.

Trump supporters love him because he is our ‘murder weapon’.

“Abandon hope all ye conniving GOP who choose to challenge MAGA.  We The People are in charge now.  We want a reckoning.

Donald Trump isn’t just our candidate, he’s our murder weapon – and the GOPe is our target. We good now? First we take the GOPe and then the rest of the Uniparty.”

‘Sundance.’ 9/14/23

He can’t possibly let me down. When he kicked Hillary Clinton’s azz, he had me. Everything else is bonus.

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MayBella82's avatar

He also supported the use of Ivermectin and HCQ and was getting roosted over it.

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devoalan's avatar

Had he never mentioned those two, we wouldn’t have had to get horse paste at Amazon.

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Willing Spirit's avatar

Yes, he did. He absolutely did not have vaccines or lockdowns in mind. He was forced into those by a very foolish, frightened world. People have abandoned faith in God, and have no idea how to access the “…peace that passeth all understanding”. (Phillipians 4:7).

He had a sorry lot of citizens to deal with.

And the lie about the lockdowns, he left that up to the Governors of the individual states, who were also pressured by the evil beings and the people they terrified with their scheme.

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Oregon Kathy's avatar

I think you were just in the wrong crowd. Most people I knew questioned it. I think I simply looked at a world that seemed to have gone off the rails and said no to all of it. Maybe it was my love of the outdoors and the oddity of finding remote places closed off, playgrounds taped off, locks put on basketball hoops. I didn't wear a mask and by the time the jab came out I had rejected all of it. It seemed that nobody was questioning or thinking it all through.

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