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Roger Beal's avatar

Yep. And all NATO and the EU and the US have to do is return to their agreement not to bring Ukraine into NATO.

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Fla Mom's avatar

And go back to earlier versions of NATO membership.

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Politico Phil's avatar

NATO is an anachronism that only exists to further the ambitions of sociopath monsters who want to rule the world. It's reason for existence has long since disappeared - if it ever had a valid reason to exist.

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Benjamin Two N's's avatar

Cats out of the bag now.

Won’t work since Russia invaded and causes war in non aligned countries.

It’s like moving into a rough neighborhood and putting

A sign out front that says “we don’t believe in guns”.

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daverkb's avatar

Invaded ... Bad! Thirty years of provocation, internal sabotage, color revolution, working day and night to fracture Russia... Good . This is always the Evil Narrative of the Apex Demonic Elites! All so simple minded and delightfully black or white.

But then again, the Troll is always so very 2N clever. But it is really little more than the Kettle calling the Pot black.

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Benjamin Two N's's avatar

Who was trying to fracture Russia?

Nobody.

It's a lie, just like the one that said we had to fight Iraq so we wouldn't get invaded here..both said by mental midgets without a clue.

What was Ukraine doing to fracture Russia?

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daverkb's avatar

You are the lying liar. Everyone here takes this as fact. And so, just change your 2Ns to Tiny Bennie Boy the Great Falsifier and you will be over the target.

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Benjamin Two N's's avatar

Facts are hard for the simple minded. I’m guessing you got

The Putin clot shot? He says it’s effective and safe.

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daverkb's avatar

Извини. Я просто не могу сейчас ответить. Слишком занят, чтобы тратить время на дураков.

С уважением,

Путинская кукла

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Benjamin Two N's's avatar

честно говоря, в путинской экономике у вас нет времени ни на что, кроме восхваления государства и получения вакцин :)

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daverkb's avatar

Yes, always get sucked into simpleton fixations in far away places while one's own house is being razed to the ground. This Sir Fool is pure brilliance, the kind of which binds and blinds.

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Benjamin Two N's's avatar

Where is my house being razed to the ground?

We have plenty of problems here in the USA. Does that mean we can’t fix anything else until those are fixed?

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Politico Phil's avatar

All the USG has to do is get out of the empire business and mind our own business. But Washington will become a crater in the ground before that happens.

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Benjamin Two N's's avatar

There was never any agreement. Please post it.

There was an agreement to not invade Ukraine, however.

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Politico Phil's avatar

The Great Lie

Jimmy Dore summarizes the great lie that has kept this war afloat.

The West have fooled the public to believe Russia are the aggressors, when it was the US CIA/State Dept who funded literal nazi militant groups and overthrew a sovereign nation, then took control of it via proxy. AND funded an created a massive army, with Western equipment, right on Russia’s border. AND they were slaughtering ethnic Russians in the Donbas. AND they were conducting nefarious ILLEGAL biological research and pathogen production.

Putin did what he had to do, and rightfully so.

The majority of Americans STILL do not know this, which allows the US and Ukraine to maintain their status as the victims, when they are the ones who brought war to Russia’s doorstep.

The sooner the public realize this reality, the sooner we can clean up the mess.

https://bioclandestine.substack.com/p/the-great-lie

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Roger Beal's avatar

I stand corrected; there was no previously-expressed agreement to deny Ukraine membership. But there is also no great hurry to sign up Ukraine as a NATO partner: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-66167616

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Benjamin Two N's's avatar

Ukraine had been rejected previously and was ineligible with the current Russian invasion in 2014 which is why Russia invaded when they did so they could keep them from joining.

Once the war is over Ukraine will be fast tracked because it's become apparent that Nato membership for a nation that wants to remain free next to Russia is mandatory.

The current invasion was never about Nato. It was about Putin striking when he thought the time was right and all his yes men gave him the answer he wanted to hear and to cover up their corruption vs the answer he needed to hear.

As the Russian government spokesman said "The Ukrainian question has been solved".

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Tio Nico's avatar

yes it so far has been solved: the Ukraine is NOT a mamber nation in the NATO. That is all Putin ever wanted, and that will be the one non-negotiable item in any treaty or agreemen.

Further you seem to have forgotten a couple details: first, the Crimea and the Donbas have been part of Russia for centuries, artificuially annexed to "Ukraine" as she was formed out of the dust of confustion. (this is called "balkanisation", an old trick of the West to weaken and destabilise "countries") Further, both of those fomer Russian territories VOTED in free and fair elections to cede from the Ukraine, in ine case to remain neutral, in the other to rejoin old Russia. The PEOPLE have spoken, yet the Zelensky/Biden cabal would force them to remain under the thumb of the Ukraine. Don't forget, Sebastopol has been, in the past, the Capitol City of Russia, and has been their all-weather seaport and main naval base for a few centuries. WHY would anyone think it should all remain as part of the Ukraine?

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Benjamin Two N's's avatar

Stupidity addressed

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Benjamin Two N's's avatar

“yes it so far has been solved: the Ukraine is NOT a mamber nation in the NATO. “

Ukraine wasn’t a member nation before the war started because of his previous invasion in 2014. The same reason Russia launched invasions of Georgia and Moldova in the 90s.

Nice lie

“That is all Putin ever wanted, and that will be the one non-negotiable item in any treaty or agreemen.”

That’s a lie. Prior to the current war Ukraine wasn’t eligible because Putin launched an invasion in Ukraine. It wasn’t about nato membership. It was about controlling Ukraine.

As the saying goes Russia with Ukraine is an empire. Russia without Ukraine is just a nation.

“Further you seem to have forgotten a couple details: first, the Crimea and the Donbas have been part of Russia for centuries, artificuially annexed to "Ukraine" as she was formed out of the dust of confustion. (this is called "balkanisation", an old trick of the West to weaken and destabilise "countries") “

Yet Russia agreed they could leave and be their own nation and the majority of people voted to leave Russia in 1991.

It was never about Crimea and Donbas. Russia already held those prior to the war. Why did Russia go and create 2 more “people’s republics” if it’s only about those 2?

Why invade Kyiv and try to take down the government and the rest of Ukraine?

Hint: Ukraine actually existed before Russia and Kyiv was a major city when Moscow was a boggy marsh.

Further, both of those fomer Russian territories VOTED in free and fair elections to cede from the Ukraine, in ine case to remain neutral, in the other to rejoin old Russia.

“Free and fair elections” that’s a joke. Let me guess, the 2020 election was free and fair too?

Run by Russian soldiers?

“The PEOPLE have spoken, yet the Zelensky/Biden cabal would force them to remain under the thumb of the Ukraine. “

So that’s why Russia invaded and annexed Kherson and 2 more regions, right? Because it was only about the Donbas?

Interesting lie that’s easily disproven. The people voted to become independent of Russia. Russia forced them to join them again through their use of Russian soldiers.

Russia agreed that Crimea and Donbas was Ukraine 2 times. Why did they suddenly change their mind and violate the two treaties they signed? Why did they launch another war when they already had Sevastopol? Did Ukraine somehow re occupy it?

“Don't forget, Sebastopol has been, in the past, the Capitol City of Russia, and has been their all-weather seaport and main naval base for a few centuries. WHY would anyone think it should all remain as part of the Ukraine?”

Russia agreed it was apart of Ukraine twice and signed treaties to that effect. Are you saying Russia was wrong and lied, violating those treaties?

Russia already has Sevastopol before the current war. It wasn’t getting bombed weekly.

Now it is and the Black Sea fleet retreated from the city because it kept getting hit with Ukrainian drones losing several major warships.

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Tio Nico's avatar

Why invade Kyiv and try to take down the government and the rest of Ukraine?

Why indeed!! 2014. Victoria Nuland. Duly elected and siting President of Ukraine. Uranium One Biden family. Some bigwig was not bowing and scraping before the corrupt US influences. Asked for help. Nuland obliged, threatened the lawfully operating prosecutor, he refused to back down, coup "magickally happened" taking out the then-sitting President and installing the current playboy dirtbag comedian Zelensky, prosecutor was "dealt with", case magickally vapourised. Burisma went "the right way". OIh and not long after that began the rumblings about the Ukraine joining NATO........

Maybe you and I occupy different planets, thus the radically different "appearance" of some of these things.

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Benjamin Two N's's avatar

“Why invade Kyiv and try to take down the government and the rest of Ukraine?

Why indeed!! “

Wait, I thought it was strictly about Donbas and Crimea?

Like I said, it was never about those regions. It was about all of Ukraine. Atleast be consistent on your lies.

“2014. Victoria Nuland. Duly elected and siting President of Ukraine. “

The Russian backed puppet fled after refusing to bend to the will of the people. He didn’t get forced out, he was being impeached and ran away with his billions to Russia. That “duly elected” president had been booted before for falsifying election results.

Zelenskyy refused to run when 200k Russian soldiers were coming into Ukraine from all sides.

Maybe you should have better puppets who believe in the cause, I guess.

“Uranium One Biden family. “

That’s Russia. Not Ukraine. Maybe you should go and research your crime families. Uranium one involves Russia, not Ukraine.

Why did hunter Biden accept 4 million dollar bribes from the mayor of Moscow?

“Some bigwig was not bowing and scraping before the corrupt US influences. Asked for help. Nuland obliged, threatened the lawfully operating prosecutor, he refused to back down, coup "magickally happened" taking out the then-sitting President and installing the current..”

What the f.

My brother in Christ, Zelenskyy wasn’t elected until 2019. In 2014/15 he was still an actor.

You can’t even get the current time Frame right.

Nuland didn’t threaten anyone. That was Biden who threatened a prosecutor to withhold aid. And furthermore that makes Ukraine a victim, not an aggressor. Biden has been deliberately slow rolling aid just like he did post revolution when He blocked lethal aid which trump reversed. Trump sent lethal aid and had us doing training missions with the Ukrainians which helped them a lot during the current war to kill bad guys.

“playboy dirtbag comedian Zelensky, prosecutor was "dealt with", case magickally vapourised. Burisma went "the right way". OIh and not long after that began the rumblings about the Ukraine joining NATO........”

Zelenskyy was elected in 2019, 5 years after the revolution against yanuckovych. Ukraine wasn’t eligible to join nato in 2014-present because Russia invaded in 2014. You ignore this and keep screeching about nato.

You’re not even close to being right. For crying out loud. Petro poroshenko was the interim leader after yanuckoych fled like a coward.

Ukraine was previously denied entry into nato in 2008.

“Maybe you and I occupy different planets, thus the radically different "appearance" of some of these things.”

Yes, we do. You can’t even get basic timelines right. It’s comical and laughable.

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Roger Kimber, MD's avatar

Slo China Joe invited Putin to invade Ukraine just before this all started IIRC: ‘just a little incursion (just a little nibble )’.

That quote was quickly rabbit holed by the Praetorian guard in the press; who also have not noted for context that there was a 4 year interregnum where Mr. Putin refrained from feasting or even nibbling on Ukraine (gosh I wonder why that was? Global warming? Random chance? Coincidence? Couldn’t have been because of Orange Man, nothing good ever happened on his watch, did it, or so the MSM said.

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Benjamin Two N's's avatar

Is what Putin doing a "minor incursion" or a full fledged invasion?

Trump massacred Russian soldiers in Syria and sent Ukraine lethal aid, reversing Biden's decision and put an armored Brigade on Russia's border in addition to having us run training missions with the Ukrainians.

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