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SB's avatar

It doesn't matter. The left votes in lock step. There may be numerous democrats who want Biden off the ticket but they will go vote for whomever. Unlike the republicans who get irritated and don't show up to vote, the dems will show up and they'll vote for whomever has the D by their name. I suspect Biden will stay in office because all the Rs who don't want Trump just won't vote. Dems will always vote party, Reps, not so much.

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LMWC's avatar

I don’t agree that Dems vote and Republicans get discouraged and don’t vote. Where I live Conservatives vote. They vote in person and show up. The Leftist control wants everyone to believe that Dems vote and once they control an area, (take any major city), they vote en mass. What they control is the apparatuses for counting votes, and the msm to be their water carriers.

Consider that this debate was moderated by Hannity, a shill for the Republican elites. No Liberals were going to watch this, I bet most Conservatives didn’t either. If the Deep State want Newsome, it will be Newsome. I am not sure what the plan is going forward, but as long as they control the means of vote counting, it will be whoever they pick. The idea is it makes news to moderates across the board, distracting from other things. It’s always about the distractions.

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CH's avatar

I watched an interview with Seth Keshel after the 2020 election and he said something very interesting about how Dems take control of red counties. He said they will use fraud to give Democrats more votes with each election cycle so that at some point everyone thinks that county has turned blue when in actuality it hasn't. Case in point, Carroll County MD. The population of that county has stayed steady over the years and based on voter registration there are more Republicans than Democrats but that county has somehow turned blue in recent elections. It is an anomaly (sarc). The problem is that we have a Uniparty but Democrats also play the long game and slowly take control without anyone realizing what has happened.

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SB's avatar

Well, I know several who aren't going to vote if it is Trump on the ticket. I think he changed things as voting goes. Or they'll vote for the Libertarian candidate. And if it really is because they cheat then why the heck haven't republicans done something about it in the states they control?! I'm not a fan of Hannity but one thing he repeatedly says that I completely agree with is that as long as ballot harvesting is legal, and it is, in numerous states, the republicans will never win because the dems ballot harvest and the reps don't. The reps have to start playing the game the dems are playing. Feels like dems are playing voting chess and reps are playing really bad checkers.

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LMWC's avatar

I heard the same thing about Trump in 2016, and 2020. He destroyed the algorithms in place both elections, but in 2020 they had put in place the means to override the algorithms..six swing states stopped vote counting at midnight. Why? It was reported then hushed up. The Republicans have never done anything because it benefits them as well in many instances. There are not two distinct parties as they want you to believe. There is one ruling class in DC. Entrenched bureaucrats make the decisions. It’s been that way. What you read is what is allowed to be read.

Trump is killing in the polls. Will that translate to the nomination? No idea, and I refuse to get caught up in it. The Republicans in his own party didn’t help Trump one iota, the first two years they held Congress. Why? Because it was not to their advantage.

I will vote either Conservative or Libertarian depending on how it all shifts out. I have never not voted, and I don’t plan on starting now.

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Kathleen Janoski's avatar

Pennsylvania cheated.

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Fre'd Bennett, MAHA's avatar

Trump hater here.

Not JUST Pennsylvania. They cheated in Wisconsin, Georgia, and Arizona as well.

See 2000 Mules to see how they pulled it off.

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LMWC's avatar

Read the 2020 Coup by Patrick Colbeck.

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SusanMc's avatar

Yep, folks forget that many Republicans are Deep State members who hate Trump. Why?

Because he outed the Deep State for starters. Then he did his own thing (they couldn’t control him).

It was obvious on so many levels 2020 was stolen - manipulated - rigged to prevent a Trump pt. 2.

Look at how inept our GOP has been the last 3 years; Marjorie Taylor Green recently listed big issues they could have tackled.... but didn’t. Sat in their hands like good little boys & girls. Useless.

The Republicans who speak up, try to address egregious matters Dems perpetuate & try to move common sense legislation that restores constitutional liberties (which is crazy bc any constitutional liberties & God-given liberties are ours because we are born or naturalized into citizenship) are shut down!

By whom? The Deep Staters.

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Willing Spirit's avatar

Exactly the same in 2016. Trump couldn’t possibly win.

It’s MAGA who will be done with voting if the next election is stolen or Superman ‘killed’ and not the nominee.

DeSantis is in battle with Nikki for that far distant second spot.

They’re both polling in single digits now.

They have to be hoping and praying and believing that soon President Trump will have been removed, one way or the other. And the one way has blown up in their faces, as the prosecution persecution just increases his popularity. That makes them evil in my book.

A sense a giddiness in some that this unusual debate will skyrocket DeSantis into an actual competitive spot.

That’s some fantastic optimism there.

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Willing Spirit's avatar

And the Republican polling that claims 40 to 50% of the party wants an alternative to President Trump does not take into account the fact that MAGA is done and refuses to participate in their little polls.

The true # of anti Trumpers is 10 to 15%.

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CH's avatar

Agree. Several of my neighbors have told us how much they hate Trump and blame him for all the chaos. Trump wasn't the one who created the chaos. The Marxists in our government created the chaos because that is what Marxists and Communists do to get people to beg them to fix the problem. Sheesh it is so hard knowing this and not being able to convice people otherwise.

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SB's avatar

Absolutely.

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daverkb's avatar

There is a lot of room for legitimate fault complaint here, but Trump Agent of Chaos is totally absurdly unfounded. And there is no convincing of these people otherwise because they are incapable of thought mostly because they all mostly grew up in a system which teaches people not to think. Refusal To Think Syndrome is now killing the American Empire, something for which maybe we out to be grateful for.

Asian countries et alia are now discreetly dumping bankrupt US Treasury obligations and buying real goods, like gold. This is a process which cannot be reversed because nobody wants to own an inherently worthless asset now ripe for freefall devaluation. When the musical chairs of US Treasures grinds to a halt funding dries up and there will be no Woke discretionary funding for Woke Everything. Reality will return with wrath forcing people to either think or perish. Many sadly will perish.

(Caveat: if there is no favorable to thinking outcome in 2024, the goose is cooked.)

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CH's avatar

The neighbors I am talking about are Republicans and voted for Trump in 2016 and 2020 but they feel as though thngs would not be as chaotic if someone other than Trump were to get the Republican nomination. While I understand their thinking, they are mistaken that things would settle down. I personally feel as though Trump is the only one that has the backbone to withstand the constant attacks and bring justice for the treason that has been committed against the US. Anyone else is going to cave for many reasons. I was optimistic when DeSantis entered the race but I have totally lost confidence in him since he is being endorsed by the Bushs. I absolutely hate the Bush family and they deserve to be stripped of their wealth because of Prescott Bush's association and support of the Nazis. (Sorry for the rant.)

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daverkb's avatar

Don't be sorry ... and you are totally warranted. I feel about the same, even with the perpetual ambiguities attending things political.

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LW's avatar

Family of Secrets by Russ Baker

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Jay Horton's avatar

Thanks for going there, daverkb.

I would suggest watching this video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YNtZwbMUUTA

Long, but maybe it will help many to understand just how precariously perched our country is perched financially and, possibly, what you may need to do to protect your assets.

Later Jay

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daverkb's avatar

Hi Jay ... and thanks. The video appears to have the look of a serious piece. And I well value your concern ... and may this help others as well.

As you probably know, the Liquidity Crises has been with us continuously from late August of 2019. And you also probably know, the financial masking by C19 is in large part window dressing cover-up material. Be that as it may, it's been a banner week in the markets. Gold now solidly over 2000. Silver doing okay. Bond yields dropping. Money moving back into equities. Strange world this dying American Empire!

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Jay Horton's avatar

100% with you; a stranger in a strange land..... sadly.

Best.

Later Jay

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daverkb's avatar

Yes! It looks like Golden Blondie is set to break out of it multi-year handle. It's already gapped up. It just needs to clear $2100.00 and hold above and this will attract widespread attention.

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Willing Spirit's avatar

Critical thinking has not been taught or used in education for 50 years now. It shows.

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CMCM's avatar

Sadly, most Trump haters could not recognize or explain Marxism even while it's staring them in the face.

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Peace's avatar

Reps are playing voting tic tac toe vs. Dems playing voting chess.

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Willing Spirit's avatar

Get your point, but I’m picturing Republicans as the addicted gamblers and Dems as the Mafia owned and operated bookies.

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Melissa S's avatar

Good for you and the area you live in that Republicans don't appear to be easily discouraged. But I see Republicans and conservatives getting discouraged and refusing to vote every election season. So many want a perfect candidate. They want Jesus on the ticket. Then they will vote. But Jesus is never going to be on a ticket. Instead of voting for an imperfect candidate, (which by definition all candidates are because they are flawed human beings), they will act like they are morally superior by not voting at all. And then we end up with the candidates who brings more evil. Personally, I vote for less evil. Example of this: How many conservatives got their panties in a wad because Trump used the "p" word when he didn't realize he was being taped? In my state we had a fairly decent Republican congressman who made a big deal about his "shock" at the word. And ended up losing reelection. We got a slimy democrat in congress instead.

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Leo's avatar

Where to draw one's moral line remains a challenge. Degree/amount/evidence of evil may be more important than party affiliation.

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Willing Spirit's avatar

Democrats support the abortion platform that has killed 60 million preborn children. That’s evidence of evil enough for me.

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Leo's avatar

...and there be so many distractions - look there - look over here - oooou shiny!

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Janet's avatar

When I was a Democrat it was said the same of republicans. I saw plenty of evidence of it. Why I am politically marooned. GOP had better do better as 2024 I am not going to vote just to punish democrats. But then politics is a scam from the get go and I will not expose myself to the brain and soul damage 2024 will bring--even here on substack. Just an observation from an old lady.

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Dennis L.'s avatar

If you don't vote, you added one more to the democrat side. Get over the TDS and think about what's best for the country. Bought groceries and gas lately?

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Jasmine's avatar

The last year of Trump was some of our biggest spending. Biden is a disaster when it comes to inflation, but some of what we're seeing now is that awful early pandemic spending. "Free" vaccines, "free" tests, subsidies to hospitals, a relatively paltry sum directly back to taxpayers ... sadly, it's a long list from that spring, and it all happened on his watch.

By all accounts Trump is much less likely to get us entangled in more wars, and I wish more Dems noticed that.

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liz's avatar

AAAND ISRAHELL?

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liz's avatar

ummmm BILLIONS TO UKRAINE??

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Jasmine's avatar

Yes- like I said, Biden (and unfortunately most Republican politicians) are a disaster when it comes to inflation.

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CMCM's avatar

They are ALL economic morons.

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Jasmine's avatar

I recently heard a joke (well, kind of a joke) about our political elite.

Question: are they evil or just stupid?

Answer: yes

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daverkb's avatar

The Truth is that we are by and large a disenfranchised dispossessed people with no political representation. We have been sold out by the uniform ruling class to international and/or foreign powers for whatever pottage falls into political pockets. And it is not just the Biden Crime Family.

The Republican Party in Virginia is a tragic disgrace of status quo sell out with no credible push back on anything (including 2020 Nova election fraud). The only reason I voted at all is that I wanted to vote for a local credible Republican lady for the school board who is fed up with demonic Woke Everything. This said, I will vote to preserve myself where possible.

Realpolitik consideration says that the Cretinous Woke game of musical chairs stops once an empire is seen to be functional bankrupt, no longer able to pay its bills. At this point, the old broken institutions are discredited and the failed political parties along with it. This is the real fate of the American Empire ... and it cannot be stopped because things have long ago been driven into an abyss from which nothing escapes.

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Leo's avatar

A setup for the Global governance takeover of WHO/WEF.

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daverkb's avatar

Possibly. But historically autocratic visions and dreams turn out badly due to extreme hubris. Just look at the Dear Leaders so clown-like now that the West has lost all credibility in the eyes of the larger world. What cannot be believe in nor long term funded always fail. Just wait and see. (But there will be pain.)

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Leo's avatar

Short (if not Sweet) let's hope!

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daverkb's avatar

Any resolution will not be a dial back to the Christian Constitutional States because there are no Christian left in America with a knowledge base deep and large enough to achieve what Washington, Henry, Mason, and the men of that generation achieved. But things are so outlandishly broken that something has to give ... and is giving. It's so conspicuously evident that the rest of the world is forcing a shift in global direction as to market structuring, something that would have never have been attempted prior to the Sanctions Blunder.

Friday's gold close at $2070 is perhaps a signal that time is now closing in on the Collective West and the Paper Markets in commodities located in London, New York and Chicago. It looks like a breakout upside is now in the works and that the West has lost control pricing. If so, then the new trends will accelerated in 2024.

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SB's avatar

I think Trump changed things. There are reps now who will not vote if Trump is on the ticket. I know many of them.

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LMWC's avatar

Trump did change things. He won Michigan, PA, Wisconsin, in 2016, all of which are purple leaning blue. They even demanded a recount in Michigan and found he had 12000 votes MORE. He was a 24/7 newsmaker for msm, but for the blue collars across this Nation, he got them. None of you were ever to a Trump rally. If you had, you would understand why he beat all the odds. He got us.

What has he done that is so bad? He’s arrogant, he’s loud, he never admits mistakes? Tell me one who isn’t. What has he done? Against Congress he got a wall started. He wanted Obamacare dissolved, something the GOP in Congress had been promising if they got control, then they turned around and sank that ship. Purposefully. He visited troops quietly In Afghanistan on Christmas. He helped lay wreaths in Arlington cemetery for the Wreaths across America project. He got passed the “Right to Try” law. He bolstered the infrastructure as much as he could with executive orders. So many things that the media never talked about. He was attacked like no President ever and what was his crime? The msm was 24/7 against him. Covid made me realize how fixated and insidious the msm was in destroying this man. The fact that he is leading every poll ought to tell you something. He is not Superman and no candidate is going to get us out of this mess until we realize it took years in the making, it will take years of fighting back.

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daverkb's avatar

He had heart and a sunny warm longing for a better America from a better time. Who else was like him in 2016?

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CH's avatar

Right? The only other choice was HRC and there was no way I was ever voting for that evil POS.

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korigon's avatar

I agree he has done a lot of good and is also a very flawed person. But all the tantrum throwing over his being mean comes off so disingenuous as Hillary, Biden, etc are not nice people either and it seems you can't criticize any off them without it being deflected to Trump.

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CH's avatar

The MSM vilified Trump so that people watching only saw the bad things. They never showed his true nature. I've said all along there was no way Biden truly won because of the sheer # of people that would show up for Trump's rallies. I think there are a lot of Republicans that say they won't vote for Trump but in the end will change their minds based on who the choices are. I agree that our country is lost if he loses in 2024.

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SB's avatar

What he did wrong was go against the machine. They adored him long before they despised him because he spoke truth the machine didn't want out.

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Leo's avatar

Plus, Trump gave us The Vaxx and The Lockdowns! What a guy -

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Willing Spirit's avatar

Only after a vast hysterical population proved that critical thinking no longer exists, is long dead annd won’t be returning anytime soon and demanded those things.

Trump left lockdown decisions to each individual state and would have never mandated vaccines.

Your hatefulness is showing.

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Janet's avatar

He was a sea change in current politics. Not sure where this will end up. I kind of believe tucker that we ain’t seen nothin’ yet. The trump derangement in democrats around me bodes ill. Bad vibes.

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SB's avatar

Unfortunately, many on the right have Trump derangement syndrome, too.

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rolandttg's avatar

I used to think that, but now I realize they are not on the right, not conservatives, and certainly not thinkers. They are RINO's. Sorry Jeff, but until you come up with a better term, that is what I'll call them.

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LMWC's avatar

🎯

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Willing Spirit's avatar

It’s an appropriate term.

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Willing Spirit's avatar

I pray continuously for his safety. He’s still alive because they haven’t come up with their perfect plan yet.

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daverkb's avatar

Trump held candle light against a sea of dark corruption. Who else could have done this in such an effective way?

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LMWC's avatar

🎯

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Karen Murphy's avatar

Can you ask those non-Trumpers what specific policy they don’t agree with. And make sure they at least vote for what effects them most: local politics.

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rolandttg's avatar

It' like asking a climate cultist to iterate any facts that support their position. You may as well talk to a turnip. After the 2020m steal I had a conversation with a rabid TDS black I know from familiarity at the gym. Did not know about the TDS, and he initiated the conversation. He said Trump lost all of the cases appealing the selection. I told hm no, none have been tried. The courts all refused to even hear them. The killer was when I told him Trump once had a black girlfriend. He said he was a racist. I repeated, and made sure I said girlfriend, not a date, not a lay, someone he was seen with regularly in public, " I don't care, He's a racist". How do you respond to that type of stupidity.? Haven't talked to him , or even said Hi since.

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Niki Stone's avatar

How do you respond that that sort of stupidity?

It oddly comes from men mostly in my research and if I can be bothered I usually say...

'Don't forget to get your booster and flu shot at the same time. It's safe and effective. Don't worry about the COVID cock response. It's normal. Your pre vaccine erections will return soon and it could have been a lot worse.'

They don't usually respond 🤣 not many people want a link to prove that!

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Kathleen Janoski's avatar

Actually white liberal women are worse.

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rolandttg's avatar

sadly, the worst

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CH's avatar

Absolutely the worst

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Niki Stone's avatar

I probably get mostly men as I scare women. They know not to even try to gaslight me 🤣

Baring in mind I use my real profile and I keep a troll count, so I don't mess around with it insults I focus on facts. I give a major mind fk when I access the potential of them being paid, then I say, I'm not going to even open your reply, so don't waste your time. They usually reply anyway as I make sure they fuming to show how unhinged they are.

I try to keep a post on troll take down methods at the top of my page.

But the key is to... go after facts. Like the Danish studies on gender affirming care, the arrest of the journalist that debunked pizza gate for the pedo ring, or the leader of the C40 cities getting caught trying to pay for the lancet to alter the science.

When they don't respond with a thanks I'll have a look, I either go straight for the troll takedown of... your IP address is being recorded with your Nazi support and you will be tried for war crimes - this usually result in all their messages deleted within 10 mins or them crying that they dont understand.

With woman who support the WHO sexualizing of children, I call them pedophile enablers and ask if their own lack of justice for their sexual assault is causing them to behave like this - and ask why they support chopping off the beast of tomboys.

I really dont see many women in the NWO infowar.

I spend around 50 hours a week researching and trolling and have been doing this for 3 years and am perfecting my troll take downs.

It's like a game to me.

And I do believe it's our civic duty to do this considering how much they invested in manipulating us.

I don't play around with them any more. If they give me any indication they are paid, I tell them outright we want them hung like the rest of them.

Or my favorite go to on C40 cities is I hope they rxpe your loved ones first... Don't forget me when it's too late.

That really messes with the heads of the men.

This is war. And making the paid trolls think twice is the tactic for the front line.

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CH's avatar

There are some people who will never see the light but then there are others that are going to shock the crap out of us. It happened to me when I had a conversation last spring with 2 inner city black men while sitting in a waiting room. One of them was actually who initiated the conversation. They are very angry at the immigration problem and what has happened to our military.

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Willing Spirit's avatar

I wore my ‘not guilty’ Trump T-shirt to Publix here in Jacksonville one day. The young black bag boy told me he admired Trump and appreciated what he had done for black colleges and the economy and a few other specifics.

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LMWC's avatar

🎯

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SB's avatar

IDK, they just hate him. Think he's arrogant. Can't get past it to see the good he did. The area where some of them live always goes conservative anyway so their argument is also that their vote doesn't matter.

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Willing Spirit's avatar

There are MAGA who will not vote if President Trump is somehow ‘removed’. And they will not vote for the duration of the conceivable future. I am one and I know many.

That ‘removal’ would signal the end of the usefulness of voting, except possibly in very local, tribal sort of contests.

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CMCM's avatar

So if Trump is the candidate, these people will vote for Biden (or another D puppet)?

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Willing Spirit's avatar

Take heart with this from my favorite TCTH commenter, Dutchman:

“ DeSantis was by far and away their “Plan A”.

They put a LOT of work into sculpting his image as Americas Governor.

The plan was the others on the debate stage would just act to support his candidacy, to give versimilatude to the lie that the primary process was a contest (this after PDJT was knocked out of the running early on by the MAL raid and indictments.

And yes, Nikki would be positioned to be Rons VP.

Point is, with RDS crash/burning they are trying to promote nikki, without 2-4 years of sculpting and propping.

If RDS couldn’t cut it, Nikki or anybody else has no chance.

You heard Ryan, they still believe 50% of Republican voters really want “somebody other than Trump to save the R party from MAGA”.

They believe that cause thats what their internal polling data SAYS; That around 40-50% of REPUBLICAN VOTERS THAT RESPOND TO THE POLL, say they are open to somebody other than PDJT.

But they ‘don’t know what they don’t know’, which is that MAGA do not do polling, and if they DID, that # would shrink to 10-15%.”

The Trump haters are annoying and noticeable like mosquitoes at a picnic. But they are definitely not the force they wish they were.

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SB's avatar

Vote libertarian or leave it blank. Which are both votes for Biden unless they live in a really red area

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CMCM's avatar

In my early years of voting (I first was able to vote in 1972) I mostly voted R but when good Dems or Independents popped up, I was comfortable voting for them too. No more. The Dem party has been thoroughly captured by the sorts of people I saw trying to destroy our country in the 1960s, and at this point in time there isn't a single Dem I would vote for anywhere. Dems vote as a block, no matter what sensible thing a D might say. Until the Dem party gets rid of the many extremist leftists, no D votes from me. I'm fully aware that there are a great many undesirable R's, but votes have to be more strategic now and there is more possibility of change that we all want if the R's control things over the D's. Third party candidates can't prevail either, and that's a fact of life. People told me they may vote for 3rd party candidates to "send a message" to the Republicans. Guess what....that message isn't being seen or received. It's a non-vote essentially. Too bad it's this way, but that's the way of things. I don't see any way to build up (quickly) a third party that could seriously challenge the Uniparty.

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