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Tonya's avatar

Re: Vaccinated castigating the unvaccinated

We weren't silent. You were mocking us, or plugging your ears, or just too busy thinking about how you were "the good people."

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D&R’s Gma's avatar

Guaranteed we all tried. Still trying actually. I lost 4 friendships of over 25 years and the one who is still associating with me absolutely 💯 believes the shot is fabulous and will keep taking it. Refuses to even look at a single study. 🤷‍♀️ we still get together occasionally but she is convinced that I’m delusional. And darn if we didn’t feel all alone until we found C&C!

I have to allow others to be responsible for their own actions. So vaxxed folks… we tried we are still trying. We only had info that was available to everyone. No secret manifest.

Perhaps my aunt calling me a “selfish baby killer” and telling my sister that she was “unclean” and therefore had to sit outside at thanksgiving silenced me a bit but I did keep trying and I didn’t cut her out of my life and I still love her. What more could we do? Sorry so long! 🙁 thx for the comment Tonya.. I think being able to reply to you was a smidge therapeutic for me 😊

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ViaVeritasVita's avatar

I have continued to try--albeit very delicately. But cousin, who has (proudly?) taken 5 "of the shots" responds to me "In what universe have you been living?"[I think I had dared to refer to the "scamdemic"]. Would you be surprised to learn that she is a dedicated reader of/listener to NYT, WaPo, NPR?

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Scott's avatar

Lefty echo chambers. I have lots of friends like this.

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RunningLogic's avatar

I’m sorry you had to deal with all that 😕

All of this makes me think, though—why is it that it’s always *someone else’s* fault or responsibility with these people?? Never their own?? They couldn’t just do what we did, and inform *themselves*?? Why do they always think it’s up to someone else to inform them or tell them what to do? They NEVER seem to want to take responsibility for anything! 🙄

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Juju's avatar

This. ⬆️

My husband and I got the very first shots that April 2021. I had just been through several tragedies in the prior 3-4 years and then needed a life saving surgery later that year, so I had not been following the news at all and didn’t have much contact with anyone outside our home. Luckily after my surgery I started to take charge of my health and that’s when I started to learned what I needed to. We never got any boosters. I didn’t learn enough in time to stop my youngest from getting one booster required by his university early in 2022 but I did learn soon enough to prevent him from getting any more. I never blamed anyone for our not knowing. I followed what I heard from my doctors without question. I “could” blame them if I wanted to, and I suppose they are somewhat to blame, but ultimately it was both my husband and my own fault for not finding the time to think/question/research. I have valid excuses for why I couldn’t, but he really doesn’t. Still, neither of us blame the other or anyone else. We blame ourselves and our own stupid, trusting, naivety at the time. It feels awful sometimes to look back at that, but I can feel better knowing I’m not that same person today and never will be again.

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Luisa Codevilla's avatar

Or it could be that they are deliberately poking the bear to provoke these responses from us. I suspect they are playing games because how can anyone be SO stupid, but then again the victim mentality can be debilitating. Maybe their brains are fried. I literally laughed out loud at the audacity of the article.

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Truth 101's avatar

Gma, I'm also still trying to warn people as well. And you're right in that everyone had access to the same info as we had.

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Lincoln's avatar

I personally know 10 people who have died or were injured after being jabbed. So sad.

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STH's avatar

I lost at least half of my 1000 fb friends over speaking out. I stood freezing my butt off for hours in 20 degree weather holding signs on overpasses to stop the mandates. I disagreed with anyone who would listen. These people truly are insane.

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Johnny-O's avatar

I was reading an interview with Naomi Wolf and Dr. McCoullough. He said at a medical conference recently he and a colleague were at to present their clot shot death paper, a doctor came up to his colleague afterwards and said he had five shots in his arm and could no longer raise it, but said if a booster came out he'd just get it in his other arm. Mind boggling.

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Queen Hotchibobo's avatar

It reminds me of the quote (Mark Twain?): It’s easier to fool someone than convince them they’ve been fooled.

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Johnny-O's avatar

Spot on

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DeAnna's avatar

This☝️

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Danielle's avatar

Just the type of intelligence you’d want in your doctor! 🙄

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CMCM's avatar

Yikes!

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D&R’s Gma's avatar

I too stood on the corners with my American flag with others. We were cheered and flipped off but we stood! We showed up with hundreds of others with our stacks of $20’s for our trucker rally’s. I have zero regrets! Well done STH! 👍

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Unapologetically Me's avatar

Me too. Attended many rallies.

#HoldTheLine

#AccountabilityNotAmnesty

#HonkHonk

#TurdeauMustGoNOW

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CMCM's avatar

Never underestimate the power of indoctrination and brainwashing.

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RunningLogic's avatar

Yeah I bet most of us could find a slew of Facebook or Twitter comments by these people where they say exactly that.

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St. Alia the Knife's avatar

Not to mention all the "news" people saying the unjabbed should be banned from all public/social life, that the unjabbed should not be allowed to go anywhere in public including the grocery store, the doctor's office, or the hospital!

Here in Covidistan (WA state), we were not allowed to go to any restaurant, library, museum, theater, ball game, concert, etc. because a vax card was required for entrance. The Mr. missed out on attending Seahawks & Mariners games with his brothers because of those illegal & unConstitutional mandates. 😡😠

Mrs. "the Knife"

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ViaVeritasVita's avatar

I missed out on my 50th College Reunion--the more poignant because 2 generations before me-- 5 women (not so many women took an A.B. in 1906 and 1914), and 2 in generation under me were alumnae--because only the vaxxed could attend. My daughter represented four generations of MHC women.

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St. Alia the Knife's avatar

I am so sorry you missed out on your reunion. What a wonderful legacy for the women in your family! It is just so infuriating!

Early on, I tended to focus on people unable to be with family members while they were dying in hospitals and then unable to have/attend funerals. One of my grandmas passed away 3 weeks shy of her 100th birthday. No funeral, just some family members gathered in a living room. The weddings, new babies, bridal and baby showers. The graduations missed. Birthdays, celebrations of all kinds (other grandma turned 100 and we were "allowed" to drive past the care facility while she sat in her wheelchair on the sidewalk). And now, high school and college reunions.

We must never forget and must keep reminding others of what actually happened.

Mrs. "the Knife"

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ViaVeritasVita's avatar

A grandma reaching 100—but for 3 weeks, and then no real gathering of those who loved her.

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St. Alia the Knife's avatar

She was amazing - most people at our church considered her their "grandma"! The sanctuary would have been packed to the rafters, but of course the church was closed due to "King" Inslee's mandates. I am still having trouble forgiving church leaders for not standing up for the congregation's right to assemble, like Pastor Artur Pawlowski (sp?) in Canada. Pretty sure there aren't any Bonhoeffers in WA state.

Mrs. "the Knife"

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ViaVeritasVita's avatar

I fell upon the Trucker protest, then remained glued, for weeks, to laptop screen while I washed draperies, windows et alia, having fallen into awareness of this movement, following from watching Jordan Peterson, and thus having witnessed Jordan Peterson tearfully announce that while previously, he had said he didn’t believe in God, but thought it necessary to behave as if he did so believe (….???), he now believed. From there I discovered Pastor Artur. And his experience with lawfare. [Side note: daughter and her husband became Canadian citizens this fall…..she laughed at having had to swear allegiance to King Charles, given that her forebears arrived here 404 years ago to escape the monarchy, with its insistance on supporting the Church.] Perhaps there were not any Bonhoeffers in 2020-21 in WA State, but do you suppose that from this dearth, a new descent may arise? Certainly it appeared to me, as I became a regular reader of C&C, and other Substacks, that I might be witnessing yet another Great Revival in America. I note increasing presence of the Christian viewpoint in blogs and comments on Substack—I have only been here since, perhaps, spring of 2021

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St. Alia the Knife's avatar

Via, I would hope that there is a revival going on, that the last four years were enough of a wake up call to the comfortable Christian class that citizenship requires diligence, not out-sourcing. That we have to remain strong in our stance for what is Biblically right, not culturally right. I have attended the same church for 50 years (this fall) and I cannot even properly articulate how disappointed I am in the way the leaders just closed up the church and waited for Gov. Inslee to tell them they could open up again. Our nephew's church in PHX was one of only two churches in PHX that stayed open during the scamdemic. Their church attendance exploded - they had to go to three services and then they had to find a larger church property, for which they paid cash! Our church has gone from five services on Sat/Sun on two campuses, to two services on Sunday.

I am very grateful to have found Substack (through my doctor and Alex Berenson) and all the wonderful folks gathering here to encourage and lift up one another! It truly has been a balm to my soul! God has been gracious to provide a community where I can recharge my batteries, so that I can continue to interact with those around me who are so lost in the darkness.

Mrs. "the Knife"

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A.J.'s avatar

Ask your church what they are doing to celebrate the 250th of 1776. It's a great opportunity for public education.

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St. Alia the Knife's avatar

That is a great idea!

Mrs. "the Knife"

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ViaVeritasVita's avatar

Your closing paragraph fully expresses my own experience here. Thank you.

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ViaVeritasVita's avatar

Thank you for your thoughtful and lengthy reply: I am on that "page" with you.

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RunningLogic's avatar

This just disgusts me to no end!! 😡🤬

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Brenda Bergsma's avatar

My niece in the army national guard was forced to use a separate locker room because she refused to vax.

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St. Alia the Knife's avatar

While that is discrimination and wrong, perhaps she was spared from being shed on by all her vaxxed colleagues? Might be a blessing in disguise.

Mrs. "the Knife"

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Monterey's avatar

Couldn't go to Husky football games because of the stupid mandates

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Truth 101's avatar

What kind of a team player are you? <sarc> My ex sister-in-law got the vaxx so she could go to a Buffalo Bill's game.

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Michael Framson's avatar

When I read the AFRU.com article, my first thoughts were it was tongue in cheek. Then read in the ABOUT section of AFRU, it said, "Science is true". And for kickers it said [AFRU] is "Karen Controlled. Absolutely"

No dates on anything is a turn off which makes go down its all fake.

Regarding Trump, plenty of character flaws I can look past, but the one that troubles me the most is he never apologizes, never admits a mistake. Has anyone ever heard him admit a mistake in judgement? He will never admit that the jabs were horrific. It is beyond his capacity to admit this fact. On the other hand, who would?

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MayBella82's avatar

I wonder if part of it is about being sued. It seems like people others at the drop of a hat. If I was his lawyer, I expect would tell him to move forward and not say anything because it will not change the past. However, he is given an opportunity to right some wrongs and let’s see if he goes after Fauci and the rest of them.

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Michael Framson's avatar

Good point MayBella82! Lets see where this adventure is taking us.

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Juju's avatar

He admitted mistakes during the Joe Rogan interview. So he is definitely capable.

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Michael Framson's avatar

Thank you Juju. I did not have the time to listen to the Rogan/Trump interview and only caught parts of it.

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Juju's avatar

Your welcome. Unfortunately Covid wasn’t one of the mistakes he admitted making. That would have been nice. LOL But his admission to trusting the wrong people sort of spoke to how he realized he was misguided in many decisions he made. As well as the mistakes he made in his appointments. It’s a really good interview.

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Michael Framson's avatar

Yes, I am reading excerpts now. For now, we are where we are; what comes next--stay tuned and have pop corn on standby.

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Robin Greer's avatar

Hard to tell to those who won't listen.

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ViaVeritasVita's avatar

I was struck by the number of times Jesus says (in the first 3 gospel accounts--haven't yet come upon it in John) "Let those who have ears, hear". Which implies that he knew/knows perfectly well that there are some who will never listen. My husband yesterday in response quipped, " Didn't Jesus say 'The clueless you will have with you always.' ?"

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Carlos's avatar

Perfect picture

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St. Alia the Knife's avatar

Maybe Living Bible translation? 😉😄

Mrs. "the Knife"

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ViaVeritasVita's avatar

Very "Living" Bible indeed!

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RU's avatar

That was probably the craziest crazy take on anything i've seen or read over the last 5 years. The vaccinated are now (once again) the victims of the unvaccinated...this time b/c we didn't warn them enough last time?!? What happened to the "pandemic of the unvaccinated?" The "grandma killers" are now the bad people only b/c they didn't advocate strongly enough for what was being called "grandma killing" at the time? I guess no was literally thrown in jail, as we saw across the West? No one was de-platformed, de-monetized, or experienced any lawfare for saying what so many of us knew to be true? We just didn't try hard enough? L.O.L.

Oh, and the "flipped a coin" nonsense: we didn't "flip a coin" and we didn't "guess" the right answer. We knew it. Which is why we had the resolve we did to survive the attacks we survived. No one has ever - in a century of trying - developed an effective vaccine for a coronavirus. (No, the flu "vaccines" do not work by any normal person's definition of "work.") We knew this. We also knew there was no way these things were adequately tested in a few months, since such testing requires years. An untested, novel technology never used at this scale? It wasn't hard to "guess" the right answer. Oh, and it matters that we also knew covid was 0% deadly for the vast majority of the population.

So, really, if they're gonna complain at this point, I have no pity for their situation at all. If they can't admit they brought this on themselves - and everyone else - then may they live in the hell of their own making.

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Scott's avatar

5 billion % spot on.

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RunningLogic's avatar

But it’s so typical of them. It’s always someone else’s job to tel them what to do and make decisions for them. That way, they can always blame someone else and have zero responsibility for their choices 🙄

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william howard's avatar

they had the same information but chose to ignore that the death jabs were - experimental - and that some of us would rather wait for confirmation (which we now know will never come) than become a lab rat for Pharma

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Truth 101's avatar

I told my doc of 20+ years that I did not want to be a guinea pig. She ghosted me as she flew out of the exam room. I guess I should have warned her harder?

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RunningLogic's avatar

Why is it even OUR responsibility to warn THEM???

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Truth 101's avatar

It's not our responsibility. You're right. In this case it was my way of saying that I was not going to get it. I was shocked by her response. Maybe if I had been keeping up with the MSM fear porn I wouldn't have been so shocked. This was March of 2021. I haven't been back to see her.

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RunningLogic's avatar

The way people responded to those who refused the shots was truly eye opening 😕

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Scott's avatar

LOL!

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shayne's avatar

Yep. I went many rounds with friends and others about the dangers of the clot shot. I was censored on FB all the time for putting up the Hydroxychloroquine, Azithromycin, Zinc combo. So, color me, "I don't give a shit about Jakes. And I don't give a shit about the whiny AFRU."

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Kim's avatar

Exactly. We weren’t silent. We were silenced. We were ridiculed, hated and loathed. We were threatened with a ‘dark winter of death’ and possibly being sent to camps. Anyone blaming the ‘silence’ of the unvaxxed just wasn’t listening because they were too busy screaming at us.

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Freebird's avatar

I just had a good laugh at the woke crowd blaming the unvaccinated. These people never learn, they are perpetual victims, always blaming others and never taking personal responsibility for themselves. So I suppose they are victims - of their own stupidity. And as the comedian said, “you can’t fix stupid”.

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Carol M.'s avatar

And we can’t forget the smarmy Hollywood shills: only people who are vaxxed may come to my house, said by Jennifer what’s-her-name, married for awhile to Brad Pitt. 🙃😜

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Skeptical Actuary's avatar

I went so far as to hold up a sign at intersections once the "vaccines" started to be pushed on little kids.

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Tonya's avatar

We went to a vaccination center to hand out literature and talk to people if they were willing to listen - same as you, when they started pushing them on kids because how could we not?

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MayBella82's avatar

Just trying to get people to slow down and wait to take it was impossible. They were lining up as soon as they could.

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RSgva's avatar

Looks like there are a lot of limited hangout attempts. I think the New York Times article that Jeff cites also tries to avoid mentioning who was really responsible for all those repressive policies. They say it’s “Activists, academics and experts”— and ignore those who made so much money on the lockdown economy. (The people they blame were just the useless idiot helpers.)

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