I think you're wrong biologically, Phil; how about dog breeds? Presumably, there was one Ur-dog, one 'kind' ("two of every kind," Gen. 6:20a, as explained by Answers in Genesis below; variety among 'kinds' is also explained there, or simply by watching people create new breeds of all kinds of domestic animals in our lifetimes). Dog breed…
I think you're wrong biologically, Phil; how about dog breeds? Presumably, there was one Ur-dog, one 'kind' ("two of every kind," Gen. 6:20a, as explained by Answers in Genesis below; variety among 'kinds' is also explained there, or simply by watching people create new breeds of all kinds of domestic animals in our lifetimes). Dog breeds now are so different from one another that a food or medicine that can be given to most can be fatal in others. That came about by breeding in isolation, as happened with humans over time in geographic areas that were far apart. Dogs are also all related, so much so that they can physically breed among themselves, but that doesn't erase the differences between Collies, Chihuahuas, and Central Asian Shepherd Dogs. Humans are all "created equal," because we are all made in the image of God. That doesn't make us equal materially on Earth, in many respects, though we are biologically very similar. See my other comment in this thread about race and sex differences in lab values and medication effects.
Biologically? Of course. I am biologically quite different from my own children and I daresay have different medical or drug tolerances. But that doesn't mean they are a new "race". Again, this is a problem of definition. "One kind" or one race. Ever see a dog breed with a cat? (I'm sure there is a eugenics lab somewhere trying to cross-breed such abominations in spite of that.) Ever see different "dog breeds" breed with each other? Again, of course. We call them mutts. Biological differences do not define race. Is there a "Spanish race" or an "African race" or a "Russian race" or, in my case, a "Celtic race" or, and here is where the manipulators get really ugly, a "White race" or a "Black race" or a "Yellow race"??? If we allow our language that defines our perception of reality to be manipulated by evil which wants to turn God's reality on it's head then we will never be free of the woke Marxism that has taken over our culture.
Phil, you are being purposely obtuse. You counter a population-level trait with one within a nuclear family? Race is biological and physiological, and it's the result of separate breeding populations over very long periods of time. It's a convenient word to encompass books worth of information. Race : breed as human : dog. It has nothing to do with denying Scripture.
There are different looking people, there are different cultures...there are all kinds of different genetic combinations resulting in different biological and physiological characteristics but I challenge you to prove to me that they are alien races from each other! All of these genetic differences are contained in the very genetic code in your own body. WHY? Because we are all from the same family - breed - race - however you label it, we are all human and in that sense, there is NO DIFFERENCE IN GOD'S EYES. We are human beings - one race.
The worst part of your statement is that "It has nothing to do with denying Scripture." It has everything to do with Scripture. God created all mankind in Adam and Eve. Unless you deny that, God's Word tells us that we are all from the SAME PARENTS or the same gene pool. One cannot say we are different races without subverting language and logical thought.
Please Phil, you know I didn't say that as my other lengthy comment makes clear. Your comment is absurd.
Starting a response with "So... (completely misstate what the person said) is a pretty tired strawman trick, thought you were above that. Guess not. Shame as we've had great discussions on here respectfully in the past.
OK, I'll back up and apologize. I assumed too much. To the point, how does "species adaptation" refute my statement here: "The worst part of your statement is that "It has nothing to do with denying Scripture." It has everything to do with Scripture. God created all mankind in Adam and Eve. Unless you deny that, God's Word tells us that we are all from the SAME PARENTS or the same gene pool. One cannot say we are different races without subverting language and logical thought."
I think that what everyone is trying to express is that yes, we ARE all of a singular RACE as in species—the human race- but that we have since subverted the term race to mean different things like genetic/physical characteristics eg skin color, eye appearance etc. Kind of how we all used to understand that a vaccine was an injection used to *prevent* someone from catching a disease by teaching the immune system how to recognize /fight it but now it’s just any old thing big pharma wants to stick in a syringe and sell without proving anything or being liable for damages done. Language subversion is important when one wants people fighting about stupid stuff or to get away with murder.
Here is something to consider, Biblically, and something I wonder about.
Why did God tell the Israelites in the early OT not to mix with others and many times were told to destroy everything and take nothing? Was it to protect them from evil, meaning all they had was defiled? Was it only for religeous reasons? Couldn't they just believe in God and denounce other gods?
God would leave the flock for just one if it could be saved which means none could be saved. Sodom & Gomorrah is another example as Abraham could not find ONE righteous person. God already knew.
Also, since there were giants created by the fallen angels having relations with women, did the giants have offspring?
I believe the Book of Enoch goes into more detail but Jude 1:4-6 speaks of ungody people designated to pervert and deny God's grace. Are they devil's seed or did God already know their choices to predestine them?
4 For certain people have crept in unnoticed who long ago were designated for this condemnation, ungodly people, who pervert the grace of our God into sensuality and deny our only Master and Lord, Jesus Christ.
5 Now I want to remind you, although you once fully knew it, that Jesus, who saved[c] a people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed those who did not believe. 6 And the angels who did not stay within their own position of authority, but left their proper dwelling, he has kept in eternal chains under gloomy darkness until the judgment of the great day—
Perhaps all we need to know is that it was God who ultimately separated us for His own reasons (at the tower of Babel, by language) and again, "when the Most High assigned lands to the nations, when he divided up the human race, he established the boundaries of the peoples according to the number of the sons of Israel" Deut 32:8 AND we see that He will bring us back together again. "of all nations, tribes, peoples and tongues" a few times (Rev 5:9, 7:9}
I think you're wrong biologically, Phil; how about dog breeds? Presumably, there was one Ur-dog, one 'kind' ("two of every kind," Gen. 6:20a, as explained by Answers in Genesis below; variety among 'kinds' is also explained there, or simply by watching people create new breeds of all kinds of domestic animals in our lifetimes). Dog breeds now are so different from one another that a food or medicine that can be given to most can be fatal in others. That came about by breeding in isolation, as happened with humans over time in geographic areas that were far apart. Dogs are also all related, so much so that they can physically breed among themselves, but that doesn't erase the differences between Collies, Chihuahuas, and Central Asian Shepherd Dogs. Humans are all "created equal," because we are all made in the image of God. That doesn't make us equal materially on Earth, in many respects, though we are biologically very similar. See my other comment in this thread about race and sex differences in lab values and medication effects.
https://answersingenesis.org/creation-science/baraminology/what-are-kinds-in-genesis/
Biologically? Of course. I am biologically quite different from my own children and I daresay have different medical or drug tolerances. But that doesn't mean they are a new "race". Again, this is a problem of definition. "One kind" or one race. Ever see a dog breed with a cat? (I'm sure there is a eugenics lab somewhere trying to cross-breed such abominations in spite of that.) Ever see different "dog breeds" breed with each other? Again, of course. We call them mutts. Biological differences do not define race. Is there a "Spanish race" or an "African race" or a "Russian race" or, in my case, a "Celtic race" or, and here is where the manipulators get really ugly, a "White race" or a "Black race" or a "Yellow race"??? If we allow our language that defines our perception of reality to be manipulated by evil which wants to turn God's reality on it's head then we will never be free of the woke Marxism that has taken over our culture.
Phil, you are being purposely obtuse. You counter a population-level trait with one within a nuclear family? Race is biological and physiological, and it's the result of separate breeding populations over very long periods of time. It's a convenient word to encompass books worth of information. Race : breed as human : dog. It has nothing to do with denying Scripture.
There are different looking people, there are different cultures...there are all kinds of different genetic combinations resulting in different biological and physiological characteristics but I challenge you to prove to me that they are alien races from each other! All of these genetic differences are contained in the very genetic code in your own body. WHY? Because we are all from the same family - breed - race - however you label it, we are all human and in that sense, there is NO DIFFERENCE IN GOD'S EYES. We are human beings - one race.
The worst part of your statement is that "It has nothing to do with denying Scripture." It has everything to do with Scripture. God created all mankind in Adam and Eve. Unless you deny that, God's Word tells us that we are all from the SAME PARENTS or the same gene pool. One cannot say we are different races without subverting language and logical thought.
Not true Phil, unless you deny species adaptation (not the same as evolution) takes place as I explain below.
So... you hold to Darwinian evolution of one species into another completely different species. Have fun with that.
Please Phil, you know I didn't say that as my other lengthy comment makes clear. Your comment is absurd.
Starting a response with "So... (completely misstate what the person said) is a pretty tired strawman trick, thought you were above that. Guess not. Shame as we've had great discussions on here respectfully in the past.
OK, I'll back up and apologize. I assumed too much. To the point, how does "species adaptation" refute my statement here: "The worst part of your statement is that "It has nothing to do with denying Scripture." It has everything to do with Scripture. God created all mankind in Adam and Eve. Unless you deny that, God's Word tells us that we are all from the SAME PARENTS or the same gene pool. One cannot say we are different races without subverting language and logical thought."
I think that what everyone is trying to express is that yes, we ARE all of a singular RACE as in species—the human race- but that we have since subverted the term race to mean different things like genetic/physical characteristics eg skin color, eye appearance etc. Kind of how we all used to understand that a vaccine was an injection used to *prevent* someone from catching a disease by teaching the immune system how to recognize /fight it but now it’s just any old thing big pharma wants to stick in a syringe and sell without proving anything or being liable for damages done. Language subversion is important when one wants people fighting about stupid stuff or to get away with murder.
Phil: Yes, we are from the same original parents, Adam and Eve. Now, you tell me why we don't all look alike, then. I'll wait.
Nor did I ever say this about Darwinian evolution, citing Ken Ham's explanation of 'kind' in the Ark story.
Here is something to consider, Biblically, and something I wonder about.
Why did God tell the Israelites in the early OT not to mix with others and many times were told to destroy everything and take nothing? Was it to protect them from evil, meaning all they had was defiled? Was it only for religeous reasons? Couldn't they just believe in God and denounce other gods?
God would leave the flock for just one if it could be saved which means none could be saved. Sodom & Gomorrah is another example as Abraham could not find ONE righteous person. God already knew.
Also, since there were giants created by the fallen angels having relations with women, did the giants have offspring?
I believe the Book of Enoch goes into more detail but Jude 1:4-6 speaks of ungody people designated to pervert and deny God's grace. Are they devil's seed or did God already know their choices to predestine them?
4 For certain people have crept in unnoticed who long ago were designated for this condemnation, ungodly people, who pervert the grace of our God into sensuality and deny our only Master and Lord, Jesus Christ.
5 Now I want to remind you, although you once fully knew it, that Jesus, who saved[c] a people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed those who did not believe. 6 And the angels who did not stay within their own position of authority, but left their proper dwelling, he has kept in eternal chains under gloomy darkness until the judgment of the great day—
Exactly right.
Define race for me. Should be easy.
'any one of the groups that humans are often divided into based on physical traits regarded as common among people of shared ancestry'.
Then you are using a phony definition of race.
I think you are conflating race with species.
There are many races within our species.
Obviously, a Pygmy in Cameroon does not share
a race with Scandinavian Norse peoples.
Perhaps all we need to know is that it was God who ultimately separated us for His own reasons (at the tower of Babel, by language) and again, "when the Most High assigned lands to the nations, when he divided up the human race, he established the boundaries of the peoples according to the number of the sons of Israel" Deut 32:8 AND we see that He will bring us back together again. "of all nations, tribes, peoples and tongues" a few times (Rev 5:9, 7:9}