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Ellen's avatar

Have to defend the spiral shape here. People may appropriate that shape and associate it with things other people may not approve of (though I'm unfamiliar with any), but it's an ENTIRELY NATURAL - you might even say God-given - shape. It occurs at scale, from our DNA to the tiniest snail shell you find on a beach to storms (think: all those hurricane images) to galaxies. Most people intuitively associate it with the natural pattern of growth and development. To put it gently, let's not go totally whackadoodle, people. Have a blessed day! :).

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Runemasque's avatar

The spiral is turned into a symbol because it is meaningful and powerfully present. Many cultures have used it as a symbol. It is also a symbol that has been used to signal pedophilia. Of course, seeing a spiral earring doesn't confirm to us whether it is used as a symbol or a signal or simply a piece of jewelry.

Here is the pedophilia reference: https://www.wikileaks.org/wiki/FBI_pedophile_symbols

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RunningLogic's avatar

Gosh I am not up on all this symbolism and would hate to wear a piece of jewelry because I like it and then have people assume things about me 😕 Not that I have any sympathy for Walensky and she’s evil enough that I wouldn’t put it past her but it could also just be something she thinks is pretty 🤷‍♀️

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Runemasque's avatar

If I were to briefly play with it... Imagine the spiral double helix of DNA. Now think of promoting the genetic manipulation of humanity, of all life even. Man becomes God as people create and modify people.

Also imagine, it is possible to use a symbol without being a master of its meaning. A symbol can be functional without conscious control, or with varying levels of awareness by those who use it.

I also accept that symbols are actively used to communicate between those in the know. We even do this ourselves naturally. We make a meme, Brandon say, and then use it to speak our views. The rainbow, is natural and beautiful, and it is used very effectively and properly, and everyone can see this. If you put a rainbow on your car, or wear rainbow earrings, you will probably be very aware that your signaling that you are LGBT whatever supportive in even certain political ways.

I'm not advocating that the earrings are being used symbolically, but I'm willing to put that on the shelf of my mind and take it down to consider it if it seems relevant or interesting, now or later.

If they all got together for tabletop exercises to better effect the pandemic, why not use a spiral or some symbol with purpose?

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RunningLogic's avatar

I get that but it’s kind of irritating to me to have to look at everything I wear and check that there isn’t some kind of unwanted symbolism there 🙄 Like now anything that has a rainbow I have to avoid.

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Raptor's avatar

Funny how evil always makes a cheap imitation of God's perfect signs. The rainbow is a perfect example.

I read Romans 1 starting at about v18 and fully believe are long since there, but I guess the cup of iniquity isn't full just yet. Although that video from Allie Beth Stuckey yesterday surely makes me belive we are close!

Wear what you like RL. To the glory of God should someone ask.

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RunningLogic's avatar

Good way of framing it ❤️

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Raptor's avatar

It just occurred to me that a potential response to someone mistakenly congratulating you on your loud and proud rainbow garb could be "The rainbow is God's glorious symbol to man which shows his mercy, faithfulness and love for them in that he would not bring an annihilating flood to the earth again. You can count on it so rest easy about floods from global warming! What does your rainbow mean?"

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Runemasque's avatar

It irritates me too. The swastika means peace in another part of the world, but I could never wear one knowing that it will trigger everyone instantly. The rainbow is also so overtaken. I personally think the spiral is not associated with, say, pedophilia except in certain circles. I like the spiral. I like to see spirals my garden, in the bathtub.... I feel good about the spiral, but, in certain contexts now it could feel creepy. We use symbols all of the time, even metaphors and figures of language, colors. I do resent symbolic inversions, where things that should be positive are imbued with a different meaning. I don't want to have to concede that the shared meaning of something overwhelms my ability to use it.

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Anja's avatar

Same here. I don't want to let crazy people take over all the lovely symbols

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My Favorite Things's avatar

Ok, someone posted a wiki link to pedophile symbols. The pedo spirals are blue, thank goodness. I think I purchased a pair of silver spiral earrings at Kohl’s years ago. I thought they were pretty and kind of nice for summer or beach wear. It’s disturbing what’s happening.

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My Favorite Things's avatar

I was wondering what the spiral symbolized. I’m clueless about that stuff. I think it’s horrible that beautiful things like rainbows and spirals are turned into ugliness.

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Diana's avatar

It’s a Celtic design I use it my decorating all the time. Have mosaic of Celtic spirals.

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Runemasque's avatar

Also consider that it is for some a very subtle (for others loud) piece of discernment to notice the difference between God having primacy over material and material/knowledge/human agency having primacy over God.

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Anna T's avatar

Maybe her husband or parents gave her those earrings and that;s why she wears them so much.

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GG's avatar

I was confused by the comment and did a search. I didn't find Anthony. So now I'm down in the comments trying to figure it out and still don't have a clue...

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Diana's avatar

Are those David Yurman? Kind of nice actually diamonds look pricey.

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