I made a point in another comment that many have willingly forgotten: Trump added a record $8 trillion to the debt. To act like he was some genius when it comes to the economy is pure gaslighting. He needs to do better, but he very well may not if people just give him the greenlight and pretend he is some economic genius.
I made a point in another comment that many have willingly forgotten: Trump added a record $8 trillion to the debt. To act like he was some genius when it comes to the economy is pure gaslighting. He needs to do better, but he very well may not if people just give him the greenlight and pretend he is some economic genius.
I'm just not into worshipping politicians like you. And I also don't lie to myself about reality. He is some wizard genius and then appoints people like Barr, Bolton, runs with Pence, etc.....sorry if I don't worship someone who pushed the poison death shot. Do you see how silly this looks from my point of view? You guys think Elon is some patriot....I could go on, but there is no need.
I'm going to vote for Trump. I don't worship him like you. People like you is why we have such a broken system. How can we do better if you think your candidate is already perfect? Do you not remember the swamp creatures he appointed in his first administration? Pushing the toxic bioweapon? Adding $8 trillion in debt? No, you don't somehow remember these things, which is why I repeatedly talk about it. Politicians are public servants, not gods.
Yeah. The reverence some voters shower on their preferred candidates — combined with the attitude that their elected leaders can do no wrong — borders on “worship”.
It would be interesting to pick your brain about “what things look like from your point of view”, just to discover what ethical values and commonalities we share, based on common knowledge and common sense.
I just want people to acknowledge reality, that is all. I realize presidents are in impossible positions. I also realize, that if you were going to be president, you are going to have to make some difficult decisions, and you and your family may be threatened. That is part of the job, so put your big boy shoes on. I can't reconcile Trump pushing a toxic bioweapon - sorry if you were threatened, but that is a condition of your employment unfortunately. I would take a bullet to the head before telling millions and millions of people to take poison.
At the end of the day, most of us want the same things: a healthy environment, good schools/education for our kids, good jobs, healthy food, safe communities. Politicians all promise these things, but don't deliver because they aren't dictators and simply cannot. When we expect this it is to our own detriment, and then fall into the partisan trap: "If only it weren't for the democrats" or "If only it weren't for the republicans." Bologna - the system is functioning as intended - to concentrate wealth and power and keep the rest of us down. Politicians piss on us and tell us its raining, and sadly, many people believe it.
Many people — i.e. the individuals who make up the (Greek) dēmos/the mob, the hoi polloi, the mass, the vast majority, the public — believe that the elected politicians are the rulers of the system. I think that’s wrong headed. The politicians are part of the managerial class. The real rulers? It takes going down quite a few rabbit holes to discover who’s at the pinnacle of the pathocratic power hierarchy.
If the election had not been stolen, if the American public had not accepted the steal-Trump would have paid off the national debt from oil revenues. We had achieved energy independence and were ready to market to the world.
One thing to realize is that our hegemony on oil via the Petro-dollar is quickly vanishing. I want what you have said to be so true but the rest of the world has started moving on.
8 trillion was that when they held a gun to his head to sign the CARES ACT? If he had refused to sign it then he would have been impeached and convicted within 24 hours.
And yet the only political figure I’ve ever seen you take your blowhard torch to is Trump. Envy is a killer. What great and noteworthy things have you done with your life?
What is the point of lambasting Harris here? Everyone here knows how awful and dangerous she is. But there are plenty like you here who think Trump can do no wrong and that he is our savior. Pure poppycock. He was part of the biggest crime against humanity in the history of the world and you completely ignore this, and not only ignore it, you act like I am some demon for pointing it out. It is the epitome of Orwellian.
I will vote for Trumpie as I did last time(2016, nope).
But, I won't expect miracles, perhaps just a delay of the inevitable collapse. Although folks have been crying the sky is falling for 20 years, it just may happen in the next 10.
Trump did add a lot of money to the debt but he was stimulating the economy and hoping that would offset some of the deficit. Unemployment was at a historic low- for all races. Energy was cheap and we had uninterrupted food supplies. Now our government adds to the debt and steals the money. I think Trump will do better. I’m sure he understands the vagaries and psychopathologies of the deep state.
Yes I was not happy with his spending either but then Biden said “hold my beer.” Encouraged if Elon can cut bloated government bureaucrats. He’s also been vocal about the spending.
Elon is part of the problem, so I'm not so sure he is going to fix it. Do not forget the power of cronyism. All that printed money is going to go somewhere, and much of it will continue to go into Elon's pockets.
Johnny-O is correct! Who do you think is going to pay the inflated price for goods if those tariffs are imposed (that's us, if you can't do the math). We are in a no win situation. International players holding our US bonds (national debt) are considering their options which doesn't bode well for us. The FED holds the cards and they ain't on our side. 2025 is going to be a wilder ride than 2024.
Yup, and countries have been selling off dollars and t-bills and buying gold. BRICS continues to gain strength. I think it will be a while before we see massive changes, but I certainly could be wrong. The Dollar still rules the world by a wide margin, but things have and are shifting.
....not when our credit lock up happens, again; remember 2008? Look it up. Then the money printing started and the rest is history. Banks are in trouble guys, so watch your step, please.
I made a point in another comment that many have willingly forgotten: Trump added a record $8 trillion to the debt. To act like he was some genius when it comes to the economy is pure gaslighting. He needs to do better, but he very well may not if people just give him the greenlight and pretend he is some economic genius.
Or if we listen to you and pretend we aren’t aware that you deeply hate him .
I'm just not into worshipping politicians like you. And I also don't lie to myself about reality. He is some wizard genius and then appoints people like Barr, Bolton, runs with Pence, etc.....sorry if I don't worship someone who pushed the poison death shot. Do you see how silly this looks from my point of view? You guys think Elon is some patriot....I could go on, but there is no need.
Oh, the hate, the hate, the hate, hate, hate! These must be very difficult days for you🤯
I'm going to vote for Trump. I don't worship him like you. People like you is why we have such a broken system. How can we do better if you think your candidate is already perfect? Do you not remember the swamp creatures he appointed in his first administration? Pushing the toxic bioweapon? Adding $8 trillion in debt? No, you don't somehow remember these things, which is why I repeatedly talk about it. Politicians are public servants, not gods.
Yeah. The reverence some voters shower on their preferred candidates — combined with the attitude that their elected leaders can do no wrong — borders on “worship”.
It would be interesting to pick your brain about “what things look like from your point of view”, just to discover what ethical values and commonalities we share, based on common knowledge and common sense.
I just want people to acknowledge reality, that is all. I realize presidents are in impossible positions. I also realize, that if you were going to be president, you are going to have to make some difficult decisions, and you and your family may be threatened. That is part of the job, so put your big boy shoes on. I can't reconcile Trump pushing a toxic bioweapon - sorry if you were threatened, but that is a condition of your employment unfortunately. I would take a bullet to the head before telling millions and millions of people to take poison.
At the end of the day, most of us want the same things: a healthy environment, good schools/education for our kids, good jobs, healthy food, safe communities. Politicians all promise these things, but don't deliver because they aren't dictators and simply cannot. When we expect this it is to our own detriment, and then fall into the partisan trap: "If only it weren't for the democrats" or "If only it weren't for the republicans." Bologna - the system is functioning as intended - to concentrate wealth and power and keep the rest of us down. Politicians piss on us and tell us its raining, and sadly, many people believe it.
Many people — i.e. the individuals who make up the (Greek) dēmos/the mob, the hoi polloi, the mass, the vast majority, the public — believe that the elected politicians are the rulers of the system. I think that’s wrong headed. The politicians are part of the managerial class. The real rulers? It takes going down quite a few rabbit holes to discover who’s at the pinnacle of the pathocratic power hierarchy.
Bingo!
If the election had not been stolen, if the American public had not accepted the steal-Trump would have paid off the national debt from oil revenues. We had achieved energy independence and were ready to market to the world.
One thing to realize is that our hegemony on oil via the Petro-dollar is quickly vanishing. I want what you have said to be so true but the rest of the world has started moving on.
Later Jay
We have 34 trillion dollars in oil ready to be extracted and sold? What planet do you live on?
Lol Cstone.
8 trillion was that when they held a gun to his head to sign the CARES ACT? If he had refused to sign it then he would have been impeached and convicted within 24 hours.
I'm tired of excuses. Convicted of what exactly? Just like he "had" to push the bioweapon shots on us, right?
Stop making excuses for these people. Hold them accountable. You can still support them while being tough on them. They are public servants, not gods.
And yet the only political figure I’ve ever seen you take your blowhard torch to is Trump. Envy is a killer. What great and noteworthy things have you done with your life?
What is the point of lambasting Harris here? Everyone here knows how awful and dangerous she is. But there are plenty like you here who think Trump can do no wrong and that he is our savior. Pure poppycock. He was part of the biggest crime against humanity in the history of the world and you completely ignore this, and not only ignore it, you act like I am some demon for pointing it out. It is the epitome of Orwellian.
Are you a slave?
Right on Johnny. YOU hit it, man.
I will vote for Trumpie as I did last time(2016, nope).
But, I won't expect miracles, perhaps just a delay of the inevitable collapse. Although folks have been crying the sky is falling for 20 years, it just may happen in the next 10.
Sooner.
Later Jay
Ifster is spot on! If Trump had “sponsored” the bill that passed the Democratic dominated Congress... your comment has merit but that didn’t happen.
Is a President there only to sign into law the bills passed by his/her political party?
Great comments. They deserve more than a simple “Like”.
The constant refrain "Trump HAD TO DO EVIL else they would have been MEAN to him!"
Trump did add a lot of money to the debt but he was stimulating the economy and hoping that would offset some of the deficit. Unemployment was at a historic low- for all races. Energy was cheap and we had uninterrupted food supplies. Now our government adds to the debt and steals the money. I think Trump will do better. I’m sure he understands the vagaries and psychopathologies of the deep state.
He has a much better chance at taking on the permanent state having Kennedy by his side.
Yes I was not happy with his spending either but then Biden said “hold my beer.” Encouraged if Elon can cut bloated government bureaucrats. He’s also been vocal about the spending.
Elon is part of the problem, so I'm not so sure he is going to fix it. Do not forget the power of cronyism. All that printed money is going to go somewhere, and much of it will continue to go into Elon's pockets.
Dang it , Man! You keep beating me to the punch.
Later Jay
Johnny-O is correct! Who do you think is going to pay the inflated price for goods if those tariffs are imposed (that's us, if you can't do the math). We are in a no win situation. International players holding our US bonds (national debt) are considering their options which doesn't bode well for us. The FED holds the cards and they ain't on our side. 2025 is going to be a wilder ride than 2024.
Later Jay
Yup, and countries have been selling off dollars and t-bills and buying gold. BRICS continues to gain strength. I think it will be a while before we see massive changes, but I certainly could be wrong. The Dollar still rules the world by a wide margin, but things have and are shifting.
....not when our credit lock up happens, again; remember 2008? Look it up. Then the money printing started and the rest is history. Banks are in trouble guys, so watch your step, please.
Later Jay
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