Please help me understand how so many believe the Catholic dogma but yet claim to not support it? Doesn't make sense to me. There is no Holy Father but God Himself. Never was. Pope's are liars all no matter how nice or good they were. They usurped the Apostleship just as Charismatics do. World wide religious apostacy again.
Please help me understand how so many believe the Catholic dogma but yet claim to not support it? Doesn't make sense to me. There is no Holy Father but God Himself. Never was. Pope's are liars all no matter how nice or good they were. They usurped the Apostleship just as Charismatics do. World wide religious apostacy again.
We do support Catholic dogma, which teaches that a heretic cannot either become pope, nor remain pope if he becomes a heretic after a papal election. (Pope Paul IV, papal bull Cum Ex Apostolaticus Officio, 1559.)
So by refusing to recognize an open heretic, we *are* supporting Catholic teaching.
Maybe this will help. Jesus Himself gave Peter (the first in a long line of popes) His authority (the keys to the kingdom) at Mt. 16:18-19. He included the power to either bind or withhold absolution from sin.
He later did the same thing to the rest of the Apostles in John.
The Church established by Jesus is the Catholic Church. Not the Episcopal, not the Baptists, not some non-denom church on the corner.
That Church, which remember Jesus explicitly gives His authority to bind and loose sin, has explicitly declared many many times that no one outside the Church may obtain salvation.
You cannot go to Heaven if you reject Jesus' own church.
Yes that clarifies a great deal. Therefore to deny the power of the Pope who has the expressed authority of God is to be damned. Therefore you MUST give allegiance and $$$ and follow the laws made up by the church.
Im very sorry that you cannot see the wicked twist of man in that Jesus Christ ALONE was given the keys to the Kingdom by His Father God and He Alone has the power to secure His saved ppl by grace not by complusion to laws that they cannot honor. The church is all who Christ has chosen to forgive not who the Pope chooses.
So because of that one vs it is not in conflict with all of Scripture that although the church had already been built, starting with Adam and Eve, that Jesus now creates a new church organization with a new foundation, Simon/Peter? Wasnt it the proclamation of Peter starting his belief that Jesus is Christ, i.e. God, "You are the Christ" is the foundation of The Church? Eph. 2:18-22 For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father. Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God; And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone; In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord: In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.
I PETER 2:4-10 Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ. Wherefore also it is contained in the scripture, Behold, I lay in Sion a chief corner stone, elect, precious: and he that believeth on him shall not be confounded. Unto you therefore which believe he is precious: but unto them which be disobedient, the stone which the builders disallowed, the same is made the head of the corner, And a stone of stumbling, and a rock of offence, even to them which stumble at the word, being disobedient: whereunto also they were appointed. But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light: Which in time past were not a people, but are now the people of God.
I see no mention of The Roman Catholic Church. I do see a desire to exclude those who do profess Jesus Christ as Lord God in an organization with the grandios belief that they can tell by church membership who deserves damnation and sinful men who can sweep away sins or demand a pentence that even Christ did not do.
I really don't know how I can help you understand that within a post or even a full on discussion. Addressing what the dogma is vs Apostleship and Charismatics, I don't know what you're referring to. I'm not qualified.
Papal Authority was handed to St. Peter from Jesus. That's the root of it. From there I suppose there's weeds to wade through.
And indeed, by your original post here you wouldn't trust me if I could help you understand. Or maybe you would since I don't trust the Pope.
Oh. I see. They made up a new definition for Apostleship. Acts 1 says an Apostle had to have been a follower of Christ during His life and familiar with all His teachings and seen Him resurrected and taken up. There were Twelve. After that there are only saved Saints like you and me. No man can confer sainthood upon another.
Please help me understand how so many believe the Catholic dogma but yet claim to not support it? Doesn't make sense to me. There is no Holy Father but God Himself. Never was. Pope's are liars all no matter how nice or good they were. They usurped the Apostleship just as Charismatics do. World wide religious apostacy again.
We do support Catholic dogma, which teaches that a heretic cannot either become pope, nor remain pope if he becomes a heretic after a papal election. (Pope Paul IV, papal bull Cum Ex Apostolaticus Officio, 1559.)
So by refusing to recognize an open heretic, we *are* supporting Catholic teaching.
Francis is NOT pope and never was.
Where does the Bible say that Peter started the Roman Catholic church? I'm confused.
What about all the other heretics?
Maybe this will help. Jesus Himself gave Peter (the first in a long line of popes) His authority (the keys to the kingdom) at Mt. 16:18-19. He included the power to either bind or withhold absolution from sin.
He later did the same thing to the rest of the Apostles in John.
The Church established by Jesus is the Catholic Church. Not the Episcopal, not the Baptists, not some non-denom church on the corner.
That Church, which remember Jesus explicitly gives His authority to bind and loose sin, has explicitly declared many many times that no one outside the Church may obtain salvation.
You cannot go to Heaven if you reject Jesus' own church.
Yes that clarifies a great deal. Therefore to deny the power of the Pope who has the expressed authority of God is to be damned. Therefore you MUST give allegiance and $$$ and follow the laws made up by the church.
Im very sorry that you cannot see the wicked twist of man in that Jesus Christ ALONE was given the keys to the Kingdom by His Father God and He Alone has the power to secure His saved ppl by grace not by complusion to laws that they cannot honor. The church is all who Christ has chosen to forgive not who the Pope chooses.
What part of what Jesus says at Mt. 16:18 do you argue with, and on what basis?
So because of that one vs it is not in conflict with all of Scripture that although the church had already been built, starting with Adam and Eve, that Jesus now creates a new church organization with a new foundation, Simon/Peter? Wasnt it the proclamation of Peter starting his belief that Jesus is Christ, i.e. God, "You are the Christ" is the foundation of The Church? Eph. 2:18-22 For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father. Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God; And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone; In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord: In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.
I PETER 2:4-10 Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ. Wherefore also it is contained in the scripture, Behold, I lay in Sion a chief corner stone, elect, precious: and he that believeth on him shall not be confounded. Unto you therefore which believe he is precious: but unto them which be disobedient, the stone which the builders disallowed, the same is made the head of the corner, And a stone of stumbling, and a rock of offence, even to them which stumble at the word, being disobedient: whereunto also they were appointed. But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light: Which in time past were not a people, but are now the people of God.
I see no mention of The Roman Catholic Church. I do see a desire to exclude those who do profess Jesus Christ as Lord God in an organization with the grandios belief that they can tell by church membership who deserves damnation and sinful men who can sweep away sins or demand a pentence that even Christ did not do.
I really don't know how I can help you understand that within a post or even a full on discussion. Addressing what the dogma is vs Apostleship and Charismatics, I don't know what you're referring to. I'm not qualified.
Papal Authority was handed to St. Peter from Jesus. That's the root of it. From there I suppose there's weeds to wade through.
And indeed, by your original post here you wouldn't trust me if I could help you understand. Or maybe you would since I don't trust the Pope.
Oh. I see. They made up a new definition for Apostleship. Acts 1 says an Apostle had to have been a follower of Christ during His life and familiar with all His teachings and seen Him resurrected and taken up. There were Twelve. After that there are only saved Saints like you and me. No man can confer sainthood upon another.
"Trust in the Lord with all your heart, and LEAN NOT ON YOUR OWN UNDERSTANDING." Proverbs 3:5-6 (emphasis added)
The Church does not "confer sainthood" it recognizes it after the fact. There are millions of unknown, undeclared saints.
But again, none of them are outside the Catholic Church. Not one.