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Based Florida Man's avatar

I'm a Ron DeSantis fan, and multipled him. But gosh does he have some dirt on his hands. Here's a great substack showing how DeSantis pushed medical tyranny in Florida.

https://dfreality.substack.com/p/a-case-study-in-controlled-opposition

Some highlights:

---DeSantis quotes on the Vaxx (yes, a bit old, but I didn't know he was such a mad vaxxer):

“Today, we will have shots going in arms” Dec 14th, 2020

“We want the shots to go in the arms.” Jan 4th, 2021

"My message is the vaccines protect you. Get vaccinated” May 3rd, 2021

“He’ll be kind of the grim reaper of business licenses, because there’s not going to be any tolerance [for breaking COVID guidelines]” June 23rd, 2021

"If you are vaccinated, fully vaccinated, the chance of you getting seriously ill or dying from COVID is effectively zero. If you look at the people that are being admitted to hospitals, over 95% of them are either not fully vaccinated or not vaccinated at all. And so these vaccines are saving lives. They are reducing mortality.” Jul 21st 2021

"Seventy-five percent of Floridians over the age of 50 have gotten shots, so we think that’s really, really positive.” Jul 21st, 2021

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Sunnydaze's avatar

I read that last week. It really gave me pause. Some I knew, but to put it all together makes him look way worse. I’ve got one eye open with him especially since SB 222 is dead and his less than stellar bill took front and center stage. Huge eye opener even though Jeff’s take on it helped even out my expectations.

Just like Trump and being a vax pusher has my eyes wide open.

Honestly, if we think one man will save us we will be severely disappointed. Not one man is perfect with a spotless record. They all fall short. The sooner we figure that out the better.

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Smatse's avatar

No one will save us. We must all take action and save ourselves.

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Maggie Think of Me's avatar

My Lord and Savior has already saved me. I have no capacity to save myself....

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Tracy's avatar

YES!!! Why even waste time and breath talking about any presidential candidates. They don't run the country. The hidden evil ones do. Can we all not see that yet!

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Annie's avatar

For me it's the swamp creatures like lying Paul Ryan who endorse him that sends up red flags for me. It's hard to be with that bunch and not get tainted.

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Willing Spirit's avatar

And the Bush brothers and Karl Rove. I’m sure that DeSantis is wealthier than most of us could ever dream of being, but he’s peewee league in the world of TPTB. He can not afford independence. He is being promoted with a campaign of deceptive acts and speech.

The large print sounds so good. Check out the small print.

George W. Bush. I remember that SOB very well.

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Julie Ann B's avatar

Me too! I voted for him twice and thought the media and the left were always unfairly attacking him not knowing he was one of “them” until he handed the Oval Office to the Clinton crime family and they were suddenly best buddies.

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Freedom Fox's avatar

That was The GHWBush crime family syndicate handing it to the WJClinton crime family syndicate, suddenly best buddies. Who handed it back to the GWBush crime family syndicate, suddenly best buddies. Who handed it to the BHObama crime family syndicate, suddenly best buddies. Who tried to hand it to back to either the HRClinton or JEBush crime family syndicates as best buds...but the DJTrump MAGA Train chugged over both of them! For some strange reason, not suddenly best buddies with his predecessors?

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Julie Ann B's avatar

You nailed it!

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Notyours's avatar

"You live with apes, man, it's hard to be clean"

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Annie's avatar

Agree. Lay down with dogs you can get fleas.

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Julie Ann B's avatar

Annie, my concern is Paul Ryan, Jeb Bush and Ronna McDaniel! All pompous RINOS who think they’re still relevant!

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Notyours's avatar

Yup. I can't say I'm really a Marilyn Manson fan although nothing against him. I bought the song "Beautiful People" for my running playlist as it's a fast tempo song good for fartleks. But damned if the more I hear it the more it resonates these days.

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Jan's avatar

I judge a person by their enemies, but there’s a lot of strange overlapping of connections, some are real and some are purposeful. Just remember things aren’t always what you think you see.

This makes it hard to draw lines. I do know for a fact that some of these people will make connections to ruin people for optics etc. I remember when democrat Governor O’Malley showed up at a Republican delegates fund raiser to make the delegate look bad. He had him pose for a picture shaking his hand not invited. So it goes on social media! Done just like that. As a delegate do you say no thank you Governor and you weren’t invited? This is one example, but I’m sure it happens plenty. The left, establishment Rino is bold enough to play dirty down to the smallest ends to justify. Nothing is too petty or for no reason. They always have a motive. It’s hard to be one step ahead of how they think, it’s like trying to know an addicts next step. Impossible to predict sometimes the unthinkable can be what’s happening. It may be that your gut is right. That’s hard for good hearted people to wrap their heads around.

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Annie's avatar

Yes. Theater and psyops. One thing for sure is Paul Ryan is not to be trusted.

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Andrea Leshok's avatar

Ugh, used to love Paul Ryan when he represented the district next to mine in WI. My how times (and people) have changed!

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LMWC's avatar

It is why I refuse to get involved in the 2024 elections at this point. For those who wish to really remember, Trump did volumes of good against almost constant obstruction by the Dems and sabotage in his own party. He went against controlled bureaucracies, I am sure he had no idea how entrenched they were. But too many on here only remember the false pandemic performance. Do you really think Trump knew what Fauci and Birx were about? The world press screamed pandemic, morning, noon, and night. Looking back I would have been better off if I had turned off, not only the propaganda press, but also all social media. I do not know who should run for the GOP in 2024, and I am not sure it matters, but I do know that Trump is still immensely popular in many parts of the country, hence the fixing of so many state elections in 2022.

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Neil Kellen's avatar

Trump knew what Fauci and Birx were about. He didn't fire them because Jared told him it would cause political blowback. And Trump would have had to sit through just one meeting of the COVID task force to learn they were useless and that Pence was undermining him.

The biggest issue in his presidency, and Trump bungled it badly.

That being said, if he is the Republican nominee, I will likely vote for him even though he has no chance against those who count the votes.

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LMWC's avatar

I see and you were in the room when Jared pushed all this through his father in law? Again, you have short memories. DJT does not stand a chance but neither does any Republican running. The 2020 election was stolen, never resolved, and fixed in several swing states to assure never having free National elections again. It is why I refuse to play the political game of who will save us.

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Neil Kellen's avatar

I was not, but others were and this is well documented. I too believe the 2024 election results are already known to those who will decide.

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Willing Spirit's avatar

I think that explanation is a little wobbly and I’m not buying that the Governor couldn’t have gotten SB 222 passed.

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Sunnydaze's avatar

I agree. It’s all smoke and mirrors. There’s no reason for killing SB 222 and going with his bill. Except they get to keep control of the people. More of the same rebranded and new packaging to fool the masses who refuse to wake up.

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rolandttg's avatar

So true. It is up to the people. Most people I have followed for years predict a false savior who will lead us willing out of the frying pan and into the fire. in addition to this covid history, Desantis said there was absolutely no 2020 election fraud in Florida. Like Kissinger, Amy Comey Barret, Kavenaugh, and many many other prominent people, he is a member of the Pilgrim's Society. In addition, he is a member of Yale's secret society St. Elmo's Hall, founded specifically in 1889 to form a close relationship with the Knight's of Malta. Their emblem is a viking ship with a goat above it. Wikepedia wiped his membership a few years ago. His sister worked in the audit division of KP&G. She died very mysteriously in 2015 while in London auditing the most powerful bank in the world no one has heard of , Coutts Bank. Been around since the 1600's; it is the bank of the Royal family. Essentially no information available on his sister's death. America has never not been under the control of Britain. Gabriel and McKibben have put out some very revealing podcasts in the past. Here is the one on Desantis revealed. Decide for Yourself.

https://beforeitsnews.com/alternative/2022/07/gabriel-and-mckibben-expose-gov-desantis-secret-ties-to-skull-and-bones-the-pilgrims-society-and-jesuit-knights-of-malta-3776128.html

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daverkb's avatar

Thanks and well said! We are so down the hole leading to the Pit of National Damnation that we must necessarily reach for the good with benefit on balance. And also, never underestimate the stupidity of the electorate as a circumscribing of how far the envelope can be pushed as to any one thing in time. Covid is a prime case for study. It was impossible to overcome the stampede of fear and panic in the heat of the moment. Fortunately, a few brave men and women kept speaking out truth on balance. And we must remember, a lot of political people were plain out fooled. Some though, did figure it out.

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Lisa Ca's avatar

for all fall short of the glory of God!

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Bingham22's avatar

At this point it is a choice between wicked men, and evil men. All are bad choices…but the worst of them intend nothing less than the destruction of this Nation…and humanity itself. They aren’t just evil, they are clinically insane.

I will take wicked and leave it up to God to judge them.

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Albert Steed's avatar

Everything Ron did was 100% in response to the absolute total fuck up that Trump created. Trump created the vaccine fiasco. Trump soldiered out Fauci and let that piece of shit drive the narrative. Ron has little room to maneuver at the beginning because of Trump.

At the end of the day, however he took the arrows for Trump, did the right things and made Florida a beacon of freedom.

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TIM's avatar

That's right....hindsight and digging up old soundbites makes it easy to be an armchair quarterback....I think DeSantis was dynamic, changing and working for the people armed with what data he had coming in on a daily basis. Just remove him, and insert Gillum...where would we have been? Trump trusted the very government swamp creatures he vowed during his campaign to rid us of.....and they bit him

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AM's avatar

If Gillum had become Governor we’d probably be a year behind where we are

now with the scamdemic, if not worse.

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Janet's avatar

I knew the minute Biden won that Fauci would be elevated even higher on his hero pedestal instead of hoisted on his own petard. More’s the pity. 😡

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AM's avatar

Exactly. It’s also why I saw California license plates EVERY day for months in 2021 and 2022. It’s finally died down some but I did see one on 95 the other day.

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Raptor's avatar

They are all in S Utah right now. Ironman this coming week and of course it's summer so they are all flocking to Zion, Bryce and Moab. Not as many with the masks, but I think I preferred them with the masks.

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Angela's avatar

THANK YOU!🎯🎯🎯🎯🎯🎯 Trump was the instrument of implantation. Still will not apologize. DeSantis did a 180° and was attack by Trump for reopening!

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Willing Spirit's avatar

In your dreams.

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Freedom Fox's avatar

Why did Ron select this person to be his Lt Gov?

Jeannette Nunez. Who is she?:

https://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/politics/fl-reg-nunez-gov-pick-20180905-story.html

"As a state representative, Nuñez broke ranks with some members of her party on immigration, sponsoring a bill that allowed undocumented students to pay in-state tuition rates at colleges and universities. "Don't hold these children responsible for something they had no control over."

"She supported legislation that extended state lawsuit protection to university doctors working in public hospitals."

"Nuñez rallied support for GOP presidential candidate Mitt Romney in 2012 as a member of the “Women for Mitt” coalition."

https://secondnexus.com/jeanette-nunez-trump-tweet-con

"Wake up Florida voters. Trump, is the biggest con-man there is.

#supportsKKK” and “#nevertrump.”"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeanette_Nu%C3%B1ez

“...Nuñez later entered the health care industry, working as the vice-president of government affairs at Jackson Health System. Nuñez also worked for Florida International University as an adjunct professor and advisor. She also served as the vice-president of external affairs at Kendall Regional Medical Center and Aventura Hospital & Medical Center, until becoming the lieutenant governor of Florida.”

Umm...Big Medical/Big Pharma would run the state of Florida if Ron wins election. Are you under any illusion that the same industry that is behind censoring doctors in other states, requiring placebo masks to enter their facilities, pushes jabs into the arms of babies and pregnant women - even in Florida, supports genital mutilation surgery on children without parental consent, pays doctors to push jabs on everyone, needing them or not, reports patients who admit to having guns in their homes to authorities, even asking children about their parent's guns in their examinations, has declared that "systemic racism" is a bigger public health risk than a "pandemic of the century" people needed to break lockdowns and quarantines to protest, that that industry she is a leader of in Florida running Florida would do what Ron did if given his power?

I'm not. Why'd he pick her?

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Peter GL's avatar

Didn't Trump try to fire Fauci?

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NAB's avatar

Nope. He actually said he was afraid to fire Fauci due to the media backlash he anticipated if he did so.

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CaplT's avatar

A president cannot fire someone from that position. That title can only be fired by the title’s boss, who is Fauci’s buddy, or by the ethics director, who is Fauci’s wife.

There was so much mutiny against Trump by the executive and the administrative states including Fauci, that Trump was hamstrung even tho Trump insisted the jabs not be mandatory, and said 2 dozen times that IVM and HCQ be provided nationwide as early treatment. He got lambasted for that as if he was killing every grandma himself. I think he still considers IVM and HCQ vax-like. Dr. Zelenko made a huge impression on him.

Also wasn’t the 2019 tabletop Plan to force lockdowns for 2 years and purposely hold off a vax for 2 years so EVERYONE would take it just to get out of lockdown? If so Trump put a wrench in the Plan even if he could not stop it.

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Based Florida Man's avatar

Some more snips from that substack regarding DeSantis' Lockdown Policies:

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"First let us dispel the notion that Florida didn’t lockdown or that those lockdowns were somehow limited in scope. Governor DeSantis did issue stay at home orders, beginning in April and ending on June 28th of 2020. For those of you counting at home, that’s nearly three months of house arrest. It’s truly worse than house arrest since you can still go to work and church on house arrest. This shutdown included schools, which also closed for the spring semester of 2020, although they did open in the Fall.

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Florida also had an extensive contact tracing program. Millions were paid for these contact tracing apps, which the Governor called “largely ineffective”; all acquired through no-bid contracts to a company owned by the son of one of DeSantis’ top donors. It wasn’t until September 29th that all capacity restrictions were lifted and small businesses were allowed to operate normally, like Home Depot and Wal-Mart always had been. Yes, DeSantis relented before most other Governor’s, but that is scarce comfort to the lives and businesses destroyed during that time period. Instead of admitting fault, he now largely pretends he never shut us down.

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In the interim, churches, small businesses, and local restaurants that broke DeSantis’ shutdown order had their business licenses revoked. A Hillsborough County Pastor was arrested for defying this tyrannical edict, but mostly for having the temerity to publicly lead his flock through the storm. It wasn’t until May of 2021, over a year into the fake pandemic, that all COVID restrictions were dropped in Florida."

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Johnny-O's avatar

The sooner folks realize the political theatre going on in this country the sooner we can fix our problems. As Carlin said, we ain't part of the club.

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YYR's avatar

DeSantis screeched about Kemp opening Georgia, calling it a suicide pact. Georgia was never so locked down like Florida was.

But don't just look at his contradictions as governor, look at his congressional record and his big ticket wall Street donors, who expect something in return. DeSantis is better than Xiden, but his lionization is wearing thin.

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Willing Spirit's avatar

That was when decisions had been made about a campaign and some impressive visuals needed to be cooked up and quick!

In 2018, few Floridians knew who DeSantis was. And his campaign was so poor, he came within a hair of losing. He had to play MAGA and have President Trump yank him over the finish line at the last minute. He’s very grateful, of course (sarc).

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Lisa P's avatar

I'm wondering how many people remember that DeSantis put roadblocks up on I-10 to check people's drivers licenses to 'keep people from Louisiana out'. Do y'all remember that? Neither Trump nor DeSantis are perfect, and I'm avoiding confrontations with my friends over who we support. My concern is that the GOP primary will be so ugly that it will depress the 2024 GOP turnout. So I wish DeSantis wasn't running, but I'm happy with either of them as the nominee.

Either one of them will be better than Nikki Haley, Tim Scott, etc. And then there are those who say the elections are obviously rigged (which also decreases GOP turnout). Either way, America's best days are behind us. We all know it. All we can do is make/keep our little corner of America sane.

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Peter GL's avatar

and either one would be better than Brandon

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NAB's avatar

We need more people running. This is how they all become better, more focused candidates. They all need their respective feet held to the fire.

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Lisa P's avatar

My boyfriend thinks the same thing. He thinks debating ideas is healthy, and I agree with that. Maybe y'all are right. The debates will get ugly. The Trump and DeSantis camps are already duking it out on twitter, and it's already ugly. Imho, unless there is massive cheating in the GOP primary, Trump will win. That's the main reason I don't think DeSantis should run - it's because I don't think he has a chance to win.

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SusanMc's avatar

Ugh!

He & Trump need to own up & explain their journey to medical freedom (I hope)

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My Favorite Things's avatar

Who in the world has not made a mistake or had an error in judgment? Then why are we so hard on DeSantis for things he said years ago? Why not look at what he is doing now?

He didn’t initially realize the jabs were so harmful and potentially dangerous when they first became available. DeSantis believed Trump and prominent health officials. Is that such a grevious sin?

He’s now done more than any other politician in this country to protect its citizens from vaccine harm. He has championed medical freedom. He opened up Florida when he realized he couldn’t trust the federal government’s health officials. It took guts and a lot of courage to stand up for us Floridians. He had to endure a lot of backlash and name calling such as “Ron Death DeSantis.”

So yeah, I’m sure you could have done a much better job because you’re so perfect and have never made a mistake in your life.

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Based Florida Man's avatar

An error in judgement? It took OVER A YEAR for Florida to end all covid restrictions.

Florida STILL allows the death vax for small children.

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Skeptical Actuary's avatar

They officially recommend against them for anyone under 20 and any males under 40 if I remember right.

I don't think DeSantis has the authority to ban them.

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ViaVeritasVita's avatar

It benefits the Feds to kill off the retired/elderly (my first thought on hearing of this 'disease' back in Feb. ? '20) but how does it benefit Florida? The retired pay taxes, support local business.

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BuelahMan's Revolt's avatar

Dude is like Trump: say anything to the current audience and change tomorrow without even a little bit of blushing.

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Smatse's avatar

No surprise there, as that is typical politician behavior.

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daverkb's avatar

Florida Man, I am no expert on Ron DeSantis other than what I read in Coffee and Covid. But to all of this, there apparently was a large learning curve going on. And as well, I see hardly any other governors who have done for the people what DeSantis has done in Florida. So, imperfect as life may be, maybe that's what to go with. And from what I've seen, there is a pious campaign now underway to maliciously to destroy DeSantis. One technique is time line warpage. It's as though someone borrowed a squad of NYT Disinformation Demons and set them loose in Florida.

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CaplT's avatar

DeSantis had a jab awakening around July 2021. He mentioned it in a talk but I don’t remember what it was.

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Neil Kellen's avatar

I skimmed through it: seems interesting. Will have to take time to read it in detail and validate if for myself. There is no purity in politics, and if you ascribe anything but ambition to a politician's motives you will be disappointed. But you can still take advantage of those limits, if you hold them accountable.

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AB's avatar

And then his wife got turbo breast cancer...

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