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Lon Guyland's avatar

Personally, I think DeSantis can do a lot more for the republic by staying in Florida and leading a rebellion of the states. I see Texas is getting on board with investigating the venom pushers.

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Janet's avatar

Agree. It’s the states that have been putting up barriers to the tyranny. He is organizing other states as well. I believe when a president gets installed—no matter which cult they belong to—they get some kind of ā€œtalkā€ or threat from more much more powerful entities about how this is really going to go down for them and the country.

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daverkb's avatar

A famous remark made to Howard Phillips by then President Ronald Reagan was, "Because they won't let me." This was, as I believe, as to certain things not being done but had been promised ... and also and tellingly, after the assassination attempt. There are other examples such as this one which point towards the shadows.

I often think I know a lot of things, but this is somewhat a trap, a snare, a danger, but nonetheless, one to which we are all prone. The truth is that most of us will live our entire lives and never see who it is that lies 'lurking in shadows' and calling all shots. My guess is that there is a relatively few apex people, but also a lot of factions.

No matter how smart any of us are, 'whose on first' still is one big guessing game. And all of this while thinking that it is fundamental that we know the basis under which rule and/or government is conducted. We all should not have to settle for being mere pawns in someone else's game.

At the present, my definitional basis as to what government currently is in the collective West is subsumed fairly adequately by the descriptor, 'clown world'. Questions, of course, always abound. And those calling the shots? I don't believe that they are as smart as they thing they are.

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Seeking Grace's avatar

The things which are done in the darkness will be revealed in the light. God is in control, and His timing is perfect, and waaay better than mine šŸ™šŸ»

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Truthseeker's avatar

Yup. Bill Gates visited Trump

at the White House and his attitude suddenly shifted about vaccines. And then in came covid, warp speed… and the debacle and travesty that’s followed

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Rosanne Harris's avatar

Kennedy was supposed to be named head of HHS. He said in an interview that a big pharma co. Donated $1 million to Trump’s inauguration event in exchange for appointing Alex Azar as head of HHS. Azar came from big pharma. Kennedy said Trump would never take his calls after that. Trump had been friends with John Kennedy Jr. for many years.

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Julie Ann B's avatar

When did that occur? And where did you find that information?

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Kittykat's avatar

It’s well known. Gates spoke about it as well

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Truthseeker's avatar

Before trump was elected … he was threatening to look into the safety of vaccines … he said something like- and I’m paraphrasing- healthy kid gets X shots on one day- then Isn’t healthy anymore

All the parents like me

Who have kids injured by the pediatric vaccine schedule were excited someone was finally gonna look into the vaccine safety issues for pediatric vaccines

That’s why I voted for Trump’- truthfully … I am a one issue voter on the topic of vaccines

and I voted for trump because he was saying he was going to look into vaccine safety- finally.

He was elected

Then Gates paid him a visit. And that was the end of that. Gates has said he told Trump looking into vaccines would be a very bad idea. And that to me- sounded like a threat- depending on the tone that was used

And of course then Gates went on to inject everyone he could during covid with an experimental shot … no conflict of interest there!!

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Michael Framson's avatar

Specifically, Trump approached Robert F. Kennedy Jr to head up a vaccine safety commission. There was one Trump-Kennedy meeting in Trump Tower. Kennedy was asked about it said there was a discussion. Later a spokes person walked it back and that Trump had gotten out over his skis. Gates came to see Trump and Trump asked Gates what he thought about it. "Bad idea". During that same time interval, medical associations, doctors groups got media attention on why a vaccine safety commission was not needed because we already had ACIP, FDA, CDC etc.

And here we are.

It is my opinion had Donald Trump done what were his inclinations, and Kennedy conducted a vaccine safety commission with some authority and power, it would derailed perhaps permanently the PSYOPS, Fifth Generation Warfare, BioDefense murder spree we are experiencing. Furthermore Trump would have won in 2020. Thats my belief.

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Truthseeker's avatar

Yes to all of it.

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Truthseeker's avatar

We know Gates had been planning for a pandemic and it was in the works from event 201

In October of 2019

https://centerforhealthsecurity.org/our-work/tabletop-exercises/event-201-pandemic-tabletop-exercise

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Skeptical Actuary's avatar

There were a lot of "tabletop exercises". Event 201 was just the one closest to the beginning of COVID 19. They are documented in RFK Jr's book "The Real Anthony Fauci". It has a LOT of space devoted to Gates and the US military's backing of our vaccine program.

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axons007's avatar

Let's hope this issue and those related to it are on trumps Retribution list. He doesn't like to be lied to. Or made a fool of .

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Politico Phil's avatar

And it wasn't only these issues. Trump got a real education in his first 4 years with the way the deep state and the neo-cons subverted his administration. If he were to get back in, he would come in with a whole different attitude. Frankly, if I put myself in his shoes, I have to ask why would he want to subject himself to that again? He has nothing to gain and everything to lose. I can think that his only objective would be to right all the wrongs that were done to him and, by extension, to the nation. He would take over armed for battle now that he knows who the real enemies are.

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Fre'd Bennett, MAHA's avatar

Without snark or guile, in all sincerity, where is the evidence that Trump "would come in with a whole different attitude", Phil?

If he thought he'd been conned, why doesn't he say so?

This former Trump supporter honestly wants to understand what Trump supporters are thinking about this topic.

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axons007's avatar

I think he knows it all now. There are things he cannot come out and say or he won't get re-elected. Two samples are the retribution statement - https://rumble.com/v2by9ik-i-am-your-retribution-trump-fires-up-cpac-crowd-i-will-totally-obliterate-t.html and his nod to the J6 prisioners https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhXDz_ZTMfQ. There are things he cannot say about the Jab and J6 but he makes he it loud and clear in other ways and he makes it clear what his purpose will be each day he is in office. No re-election campaign, no learning curve and he's had four years to study and prepare. He's ready. Reform, Pardons, dismantling, retribution (justice) - I'm ready!

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Based Florida Man's avatar

Interesting. Why would President Trump even have a meeting with a screwball like Bill Gates? Esp since Bill Gates was a known Epstein pedo-island visitor.

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Freedom Fox's avatar

Why did Ron select this person to be his Lt Gov?

Jeannette Nunez. Who is she?:

https://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/politics/fl-reg-nunez-gov-pick-20180905-story.html

"As a state representative, NuƱez broke ranks with some members of her party on immigration, sponsoring a bill that allowed undocumented students to pay in-state tuition rates at colleges and universities. "Don't hold these children responsible for something they had no control over."

"She supported legislation that extended state lawsuit protection to university doctors working in public hospitals."

"NuƱez rallied support for GOP presidential candidate Mitt Romney in 2012 as a member of the ā€œWomen for Mittā€ coalition."

https://secondnexus.com/jeanette-nunez-trump-tweet-con

"Wake up Florida voters. Trump, is the biggest con-man there is.

#supportsKKKā€ and ā€œ#nevertrump.ā€"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeanette_Nu%C3%B1ez

ā€œ...NuƱez later entered the health care industry, working as the vice-president of government affairs at Jackson Health System. NuƱez also worked for Florida International University as an adjunct professor and advisor. She also served as the vice-president of external affairs at Kendall Regional Medical Center and Aventura Hospital & Medical Center, until becoming the lieutenant governor of Florida.ā€

Umm...Big Medical/Big Pharma would run the state of Florida if Ron wins in 2024. Are you under any illusion that the same industry that is behind censoring doctors, requires placebo masks to enter their facilities, pushes jabs into the arms of babies and pregnant women - even in Florida, supports genital mutilation surgery on children without parental consent, pays doctors to push jabs on everyone, needing them or not, reports patients who admit to having guns in their homes to authorities, even asking children about their parent's guns in their examinations, has declared that "systemic racism" is a bigger public health risk than a "pandemic of the century" people needed to break lockdowns and quarantines to protest, that that industry she is a leader of in Florida running Florida would do what Ron did if given his power?

I'm not. Why'd he pick her?

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Willing Spirit's avatar

It was no accident.

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Freedom Fox's avatar

Go ahead. Trust her, Sheryl T2. Not a lot of people seeing that background of hers and having lived the past three years under medical tyranny, still subjected to the same type of medical insanity in other areas besides WuFlu have any reason to trust her.

I understand that many people prefer to hold on to a comfortable illusion over an uncomfortable reality. Those who would suspend their skepticism about her after all we see and have experienced deserve to be deceived again and again. And get clot shot #1, clot shot #2, clot shot #3, clot shot #4, clot shot #5, clot shot #6, clot shot #7....to their own demise.

Not joining you on that trust train, Sheryl. Not about this one. No freakin' way! Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice shame on me. Some people like getting fooled. And it's not even April anymore!

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Freedom Fox's avatar

Yes. Condescending. Belief is the enemy of knowing. Nobody, but nobody deserves our trust. Especially not with a background like hers in this age of medical tyranny ascendancy. Trust in experts and people we thought we knew got us in this mess. But some people still give it away to those who haven't earned it. C&C is about waking people up. Not letting them keep sucking on a pacifier that lulls them back to sleep.

Make her prove it, Sheryl. Knowing her how about asking her about these types of subjects, her opinion of the medical system these past three years, about genital mutilations, etc. Listen to her response. Is it full of equivocation? Does she make excuses? Does she use politically correct language that avoids blaming anyone, saying anything bad within the industry is happening? Ask her why hospitals and other medical/pharma interests groups support censorship of doctors in other states, Florida?, at the federal level? Make her prove that she will be a fighter against medical tyranny.

If you don't put her through that type of additional scrutiny before you give her your trust then my condescension is deserved. If you do, and she gives clear, unequivocal, straightforward answers using language as forceful and principled as DeSantis then you will have done the work of a properly informed citizen who knows more than they believe the values of a potential leader and how they'll lead.

DO THE WORK! Trusting is a foolish notion. That brought America to today. Question everything, as Rene Descartes said. Question everyone! Not getting the politics of the upcoming election right will make you and me much, much sadder.

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Janet's avatar

I agree. I fear the respect here for differing opinions will dissolve—so typical of political conversation now. Fox assumed with a very broad brush along with a perceived holier than though attitude. Of course you should defend your position. Freedom Fox. šŸ¤”. Freedom.

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Freedom Fox's avatar

Holier than thou.

Read next comment about why I am condescending. Then get back to me.

This is about breaking old habits that got us here. Not falling for it again. Sometimes it's a little confrontational. For all of our own good. Says thee.

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Annie's avatar

And if your only reason for voting for biden is he is not Trump- well you are part of the problem and you deserve all that happens to you. Seriously. Are we better off under biden? 🤯Maybe take another vaxx that was pushed by operation warp speed (during Trump's administration). Oh no! šŸ˜ dumb libbies and rinos.

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Sarah Bee's avatar

Thinking off the cuff here: that would be a great slogan to capitalize on! If your only reason you are voting for Biden is because he’s not TRUMP then you are the problem or you have bigger problems --- something like that - I’m still shocked Biden is running again

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Annie's avatar

He didn't win the last time. Election fraud.

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Willing Spirit's avatar

Everybody knows it!

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Obelisk's avatar

Somehow the DeSantin fans believe rolling over on election integrity is a winning strategy lolol

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WendeAnne's avatar

Biden will be ā€œ installedā€ again. He’s running nothing but his mouth.

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CaplT's avatar

If we let it happen.

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Tracy's avatar

What do you mean if we let it happen. There is no such thing anymore as a true election. The only thing that will stop another Biden "win" is if he's on life support or dead. Even then......

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Fre'd Bennett, MAHA's avatar

Trump *himself* was warned about the ballot stuffing the summer before the 2020 election. He was told that it could cost him the election.

What did he do to stop it?

Same thing he did about the BLM / Antifa riots: not an effing thing. I really don't understand how people can ignore all these red flags about the guy.

Deepstate Deathvax Donnie did nothing to stop the subversion of this nation.

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Skeptical Actuary's avatar

Where did you read this?

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jacquelyn sauriol's avatar

Biden manages to be both evil and embarassing at the same time. An achievment, his greatest. Trump alone is keeping any shred of an American dream alive. I cannot imagine any real person WANTING to be a president, it seems a puppet position these days, dancing to the puppetmasters who remain faceless. I have no faith that my vote is counted so I am not sure whether participating in voting is helpful overall at this time; this is also part of the tactic, to discourage meaningful participation. It's a pickle to be sure. Many suggest we 'go grey' and disappear, away from large urban centers, really hard to know how to proceed. Diagalon lives.

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MaryAnn's avatar

Ayn Rand’s ā€œAtlas Shruggedā€ comes to mind..

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jacquelyn sauriol's avatar

When I hear about that book I cant help but remember endless vacation car rides where my Mom would read that book to my Dad. I was just a kid then and couldn't really understand it, but maybe now is the time. Thanks MaryAnn

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Tracy's avatar

I tried reading. Atlas Shrugged in my early 20's and just couldn't get through it. Picked it up again after Obama was elected and finally got it. Fantastic book and also liked the movie.

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jacquelyn sauriol's avatar

I forgot there was a movie, hmmm. Always funny to decide whether to read the book first or see the movie first, knowing the book is more important.

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Tracy's avatar

I'm a book person over movies.

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Swedecelt's avatar

Please, book first! :)

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dagny awoke's avatar

The book was originally titled, ā€˜The Strike.’ Knowing that can help get into the book.

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Julie Ann B's avatar

Jacquelyn, I live in faith and the knowledge that God, our creator and our redeemer is in control. His plan will be carried out regardless of who occupies the WH or any other government position. This world is dark and evil and we see that throughout the Bible. Ignore any mainstream media and seek the truth in God’s Word!

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Michael Framson's avatar

I just read that Newt Gingrich thinks Michelle Obama may be in running. Over the weekend she played tambourine for Bruce Springsteen in concert. Oprah was there as well. You don't do that unless someone is pitching you as an alternative to Biden.

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Politico Phil's avatar

Mikey or Gruesome...

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Politico Phil's avatar

Elections are controlled by each state. Thus FL was the only state that had an honest election count. The blue states are completely lost. This will drive the wedge between the states causing the Great Divide.

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Temcol's avatar

They sacrifice the country and freedom to be right. They are wrong on all counts.

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AngelaK's avatar

So many voted that way. In my hairdresser the day of the official election result on tv, women (clients and hairdressers) were actually dancing from glee. 😬

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Jen's avatar

see? It's people like that who are the issue...they'll chant things like "my uterus is safe!" and I am just confounded. They are so stuck on that one particular issue and even if that's their sole obsession, it's like well how many abortions do you plan on getting in the next 4 years? They're just blind to all the other damage Biden has done since being in office...the economy is beyond help at this point, we've lost so much in personal wealth and rights that it's just shocking, crime is out of control and destroying every city, the border is a disaster, we're nearly in WW3 if we're not already, he's signed our rights over to the unelected corrupt WHO, etc. I could go on and on. And they are totally blind to all of that....they just think these decisions don't have consequences and life will continue on freely as it always has for them.

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daverkb's avatar

A veritable Confederacy of Dunces fortified by an arsenal of invincible ignorance.

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GenEarly's avatar

dave please don't use Confederacy in the same sentence with Dunces, though in hindsight the 1860's Confederacy had little chance of gaining their independence from the Unionist Ferals.

If, ...if, ... and Here We Are Today, Still playing "IF" and worse "Maybe"..

But, I get your point. Especially after going to the grocery store today. Never knew Tater Chips were a "delacacy", but at a 2 (50% air filled) Bag "Special" at $7.00 instead of $8.00 .......

Then I factored in what I consider valid info on food inflation of 2X in the remainder of the year, and 2X of that in 2023 = $28.00 for 2 bags of potato chips in 2023 ??? that just can't be correct, but then I thought Today's prices couldn't be correct in just 2020.

So ipso facto lots of products and businesses will vanish due to unaffordability. Which feeds even more unemployment to the point of many supply chains declining into disruption to deceased.

I think I may have misunderestimated the situation.

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Fre'd Bennett, MAHA's avatar

"Confederacy of Dunces" is a fantastic quirky Pulitzer Prize winning novel.

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GenEarly's avatar

Thank you, Putz Pulitzer explains it all.

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Politico Phil's avatar

"Invincible Ignorance" is about to have a come-to-Jesus moment.

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GenEarly's avatar

Politico, This brings up a "touchy topic" for me. While I Know we are All Spiritual Beings and Some 2%+ are actually Insanely Demonic, others just Fallen Casualities of the Demonic Ones. But just thinking God like "Papa" is going to make "it" all OK without any Physical Effort on Our Part makes me want to Spit in disgust. Sorry, but imo, God Helps those that Help Themselves. If this misplaced "Faith" without Effort had been prevalent in 1775, the Brutish British would have Confiscates the Weapons in Concord, MA.

GOD ACTS THROUGH RIGHTEOUS MEN, A TERRIBLE RESPONSIBILITY MOST SHIRK. THIS WILL NOT END WELL JUST BECAUSE, BECAUSE THE REAL WORD IS BE CAUSE!!!

I'm not insuinating anything pertaining to you, but eliciting your view as I have appreciated your posted views. I'm not Soliciting Agreement with me either, So please let it Fly without reservations. :-)

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Politico Phil's avatar

Agree with you as did the Revolutionary War preachers of the day

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Politico Phil's avatar

Your last statement is the key. Today, everyone is entitled. Between the economy soon going into the tank in a bigger way than anyone living can imagine and the Biden tax rates raping everyone in the middle class (and that will soon hit also), people will get the biggest shock of their lives and they won't understand. ONLY then will they begin to realize what idiots they have been.

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Jen's avatar

I sooooo hope you are right! Many of us are waiting for that day when they finally realize. But honestly, I think some of them are so stupid they never will. I can see it now...#breadlineselfie #livingmybestlife #rationsrule

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AngelaK's avatar

The chasm of haves and have nots right now is so wide that it wont be noticed. Wealthy young instagram influencers will still show off their latest $20k international vacations, their designer homes and cars and clothing and the poor will still follow them hoping to attain a fraction of what they have by any means: robbing, drug dealing, selling their body in the many ways possible today online or offline, etc. These ignorants on both sides will never realize a thing in an economic depression.

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Julie Ann B's avatar

Wow. I wouldn’t be able to continue to go to that salon no matter how good the hairstylist is! I must be intolerant! šŸ˜‰

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Tracy's avatar

Me also. No way could I give them any more of my business.

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JimB's avatar

AngelaK —-take your business elsewhere

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AngelaK's avatar

Unfortunately I like my hairdresser otherwise and have been with her for 9 years...and no one else would give me the same low prices that she does.

People just got really hung up in the 'hate Trump' movement. šŸ¤·ā€ā™‚ļø

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Fre'd Bennett, MAHA's avatar

So saving $20 is worth betraying your principles.

Hmmm. Ok.

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AngelaK's avatar

Lol, more like $150, but in any case, ANY establishment of artsy career people, especially in my largely democrat town is going to have liberals. I dont hate anybody for their views, I dont sever relationships, I dont bring up or argue politics....no matter how deluded I may think their views are. If I do, I am no better than them. I am a Christian. My Christianity is about loving (not necessarily liking) everybody including your enemies.

Should I also quit my job because many of my beloved coworkers are democrats?! We dont discuss politics and I am able to see their beautiful human side. Satan is the master of division and intolerance and hate... He loves it. I wont give that to him without a fight of self reflection. St. Francis said: " Preach Christianity, and IF necessary, use words".

Would you like that I interview every hair salon as to their political preferences in order to enter therin? šŸ¤” Should I do the same with restaurants and other businesses as well?šŸ¤”

We are all people created in God's image with our faults. When not discussing politics you get to see that beauty of people . Life is too short to be intolerant nor am I rich enough for such frivolities. It is not as if these people are satanists (though they may be unknowingly following his agenda)

Have a lovely day and may God bless you and us all. Amen. šŸ™

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Skeptical Actuary's avatar

Probably a majority of democrats would prefer that Biden NOT be running. But the Biden puppeteers are doing the bidding of China in running the US into the ground (in my opinion, as well as Michelle Bachmann and a lot of other people).

So, China wants Biden again.

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Dianne Denson's avatar

Problem is, they are not the only ones who 'get what they deserve'. We are all in that sinking ship. 😄

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Willing Spirit's avatar

And flying under the radar, Vivek Ramaswarmy. The more I hear, the more I like..

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Janice P - Words Beyond Me's avatar

It bothers me that he is Hindu. Didn't get past that...

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Timbo Slice's avatar

Agreed, there is currently no logical path to winning an election by anyone that is not a democrat when everything is rigged and nothing has happened to change that. The best way forward is to create a natural secession led by good conservative governors who are not owned by the deep state in any way.

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YM's avatar

Assuming Biden "wins" again, we need DeSantis in Florida rallying the states. As much as I'd like to see Ron as President, I think he is still needed in Florida more.

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A Guy from South Florida's avatar

he might need some extra tough skin and get even more exposure around the country to go to the WH swamp. I'd want him to stay in FL but if he runs for WH he has my vote.

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GenEarly's avatar

Shazaam just was reading your mind on secession and such ....

https://genearly.substack.com/p/beware-those-that-wear-purple-nwo

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Rob (c137)'s avatar

Yeah Desantis needs to sign more unconstitutional bills in Florida, not in the white house... https://nbc-2.com/news/state/2021/09/09/desantis-anti-riot-law-ruled-unconstitutional-by-florida-judge/

(Before people defend the bill, keep in mind, there's already laws on the books for violence and vandalism. This bill would have let them able to shut down protests before anything happens, based on subjective pre crime bs)

I'm not sure he's really a leader of rebellion. He's more of an opportunist.

At least Trump was saying what he felt, not what others told him sells.

Also what's the deal with the silence on both sides about rfk Jr?

Why focus on Biden?

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Lon Guyland's avatar

You mean the RFK Jr. who thinks ā€œclimate deniersā€ should be locked up? THAT RFK Jr?

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Rob (c137)'s avatar

Yeah, that was really stupid of him to say!

Who knows what he thinks now. Also, I'm pretty sure it wouldn't be a law or enforced, it's freedom of speech to doubt things.

Right now I'm voting on one issue that threatened my career and life...

Bio security state

(And no more freaking wars)

Everyone else is either pro jab, like Trump and Biden

Or

Desantis which pretends to be challenging the jab yet last I checked you can still get the jabs in Florida. Plus 2 of my friends in Orlando lost their jobs in 2021 because of the jab. They hate Desantis now because he did nothing to stop private companies from doing the bidding of big pharma.

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Kim D's avatar

I think you might be misktaken about that and have bought the MSM hit job against him. Be discerning about what you hear. It seems more like he has attacked big corporations for their role in environmental harm and won I might add (Monsanto) and states they are the ones responsible for environmental damage and should be held accountable. Anyone who thinks there is not climate change doesn't understand Earth's evolution and nature. We are at the apex of a big planetary change which is not man made. Bobby Kennedy may not be perfect but he is a Constitutionalist and has integrity. He, along with Trump could provide the nation with an enlightened and inspiring Presidential campaign and rid us of Deep State controlled shills.

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Lon Guyland's avatar

So maybe the video of him saying just that that I saw was a fake.

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Kim D's avatar

Could have been altered to leave out bits and pieces just as MSM did and still do with Trump or anyone else they wish to malign. ???

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Lon Guyland's avatar

Anything can happen, I guess. It’s a jungle out there.

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Skeptical Actuary's avatar

He only said the Koch brothers should be locked up. He did say climate change deniers were despicable or some such, but I imagine he's learned some nuance after running Children's Health Defense, of which a LARGE percentage of supporters are republicans, and therefore climate change deniers.

BTW I am one of the few conservatives that believes manmade climate change is real, but after seeing what the WEF is doing to try to "fix" it, I can certainly understand why the deniers are denying. It's an extra layer of defense against those psychopaths.

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I pray that the eyes of your heart may be enlightened, so that you will know what is the hope of His calling, what are the riches of the glory of His inheritance in the saints, and what is the surpassing greatness of His power toward us who believe. These are in accordance with the working of the strength of His might which He brought about in Christ, when He raised Him from the dead and seated Him at His right hand in the heavenly places, far above all rule and authority and power and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this age but also in the one to come. And He put all things in subjection under His feet, and gave Him as head over all things to the church, which is His body, the fullness of Him who fills all in all.

— Ephesians 1:18-23 NASB1995

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daiva's avatar

šŸ—Ø The price of ignorance is ours to pay. As is the price of stupidity.

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Based Florida Man's avatar

When you think you are having a heart attack...

But then you remember you are not vaxxinated.

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LuAnne's avatar

I saw a disturbing post this morning from a guy asking for prayers for his seemingly healthy 7 month old daughter who suffered a heart attack Friday night and is in ICU unresponsive. Now, I know heart attacks can happen to anyone of any age but in young people, particularly in babies, it's very rare. I couldn't help but wonder if the mother had taken the jabs during pregnancy or maybe took them after birth but it was passed via breast milk. Or, maybe its the combination of the million vaccines given to children these days. My heart just crushed for this guy.

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Nita's avatar

Naomi Wolf has a heart-rending substack article: Pfizer, FDA, Dr Walensky knew fetuses, babies died.

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Alison Smith's avatar

My daughters friend, whose baby daughter was in ICU for a birth injury, said they are pushing covid vaccines on babies in the neonatal ICU! 😭

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RJ Rambler's avatar

Last thing nicu baby needs is more medical intervention! If they aren't protected from common, mostly eradicated social diseases in NICU then...!!

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Copernicus's avatar

Well, unfortunately those who manage a NICU stay long enough are even subjected to their routine two month baby shots. 😳

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RJ Rambler's avatar

Been there. Records say "Parents refused vaccinations".

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Copernicus's avatar

Glad you refused.

I’ve started wondering how many times babies who get theirs start having feeding issues or apneas again post-shot. But nobody considers the association. Just a question. I have no evidence or experience in that regard.

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Truthseeker's avatar

My newborn son was damaged by the HEP B

Born early

Therefore Had an immature liver

Was Given the shot at 24 hours old

and then was severely jaundiced because his liver couldn’t process the chemicals in that vaccine… and he was exhibiting opisthotonos … all connected to that vaccine given at birth

Global developmental delay

Failure to thrive

The whole Autism profile

YEARS and a million dollars in recovery… and we are a success story -he is doing so well. But the only reason is because we had the money for private MDs and therapists. People with no money… have little hope to recover these kids. That’s the sad truth.

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Copernicus's avatar

That’s horrible.

I let our young person get that thing at birth. I knew he didn’t need it, but I didn’t see any harm in it and just went along. Not that I was afraid of making waves. I simply saw no reason to go against the general advice.

I wish I had never done it or any of the other ones.

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RJ Rambler's avatar

I'm sorry for you, for us all. I'm glad we know now. We all have to be retrained after gov indoctrination.

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RJ Rambler's avatar

ā™„ļø We have two on the spectrum.

Once did a round of vaccines because I was afraid the Dr was going to take my four children away if we didn't. Surrounded by him and two nurses, I just wanted to get them home with me. I don't believe that caused their issues but...

Then I recently read a study about Tylenol GREATLY increasing the risk of ASTHMA. I also wonder how much of one daughter's many health issues including autism were caused by her premature birth, @27 wks and three months in NICU.

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Truthseeker's avatar

Yes- two boys affected here also.

Over use of Tylenol was a factor for us as well, in my older son… and it was given WITH vaccines.

God help us. We don’t know what we don’t know- until we do. šŸ™šŸ»

I had an MD from the Cleveland Clinic tell me- if Tylenol was being evaluated for approval now- it would never be approved… so.

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RJ Rambler's avatar

Oh the information IS available but you have to look hard for it. It's in the underground science where real ppl want and get real answers. Once you have an experience then you start digging real hard.

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Copernicus's avatar

This sounds a bit odd, since they aren't yet authorized for kids less than six months old. Although perhaps they are giving so-called anticipatory guidance to the families, recommending the pokes for the future once the babies are old enough.

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Alison Smith's avatar

This girl SAW those babies being vaccinated with the c-19 vaccine.

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Copernicus's avatar

Then those babies, to still be in NICU at six months old, are severely ill.

Or, your friend needs to let someone like Children's Health Defense know what she saw so they or someone can sue the heck out of those doctors and that hospital.

Evil.

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Copernicus's avatar

😳

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Julie Ann B's avatar

Heartbreaking and inhumane!

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Lisa Ca's avatar

so stupid and evil.

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Copernicus's avatar

This is very, very sad.

I hope that the family and doctors demand answers. In the old days such an event would have evoked shock and a desperate search for cause. Nowadays, I wonder.

It would be conceivable that an infant could have a cardiac event of some kind due to severe pre-existing congenital heart disease. But I would expect the family would already have known about that, and would have shared with friends before now.

Or Kawasaki Disease can cause this, but the kids are very ill w fevers and rashes for many days leading up to the event, and I am not certain this condition even develops in babies.

Just offering other ideas.... because I hate always jumping to the jab conclusion. But, it also seems the jab conclusion is the most common explanation for most medical mysteries nowadays, unfortunately.

Wonder if these were the kinds of conversations some folks had when SIDS first became a thing whenever that was, so many decades ago? "You know, ever since (whatever the new vaccine was then) came out, all these babies keep dying in their sleep."

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Peter Schott's avatar

Our 9 month old had Kawasaki's - and caught pretty early as "well, it could be this because a lot of the symptoms line up". Gave her the treatment and she recovered quickly, with annual heart checkups for 5 years (all clear). Sadly, now wondering if any of her vaccines might have played into that, but I don't remember what was going on back then.

As for babies getting the mRNA shots - I just don't understand the reasoning, and especially not for ones in the NICU who are already struggling to survive. :/

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Copernicus's avatar

Wow, glad your young one is okay!

As for the reasoning, they do not see it any differently than any of the other childhood shots. After all, the you know who has said they are safe and effective. And especially important for the vulnerable babies in NICU because they are even more susceptible to infections etc.

I’m not agreeing with that. But that is their logic. They truly do not have any idea that these shots are a problem. None. They are mostly in echo chambers that are their professional boards. Most of them have zero idea that their professional boards would be lying to them or perhaps not have all the information. They have been trained to view contrary views as ā€œquacksā€ or ā€œDr Goofleā€ level information, not worthy of even considering. It’s sad but true. And even many of the most compassionate doctors I know do not question this.

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Politico Phil's avatar

There is no reasoning, no "science", it's a religion.

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Johnny-O's avatar

Dr Ana Micelhla has been working with others and has shown via microscopy work that both vaxed and unvaxed have foreign objects in our blood that self assemble. Is it in the water? Are they spraying it on us from above (geoengineering)? https://anamihalceamdphd.substack.com/

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Willing Spirit's avatar

I’ve been praying for months now for a precious baby girl who got blood clots in her hands and feet. The doctors claim it was caused by a ā€˜virus’. Her feet and hands turned black as Indian ink. Her left foot has now been amputated, all her fingertips have fallen off and the right foot is still in danger.

This from a’virus’?

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Anja's avatar

😱😄

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Karen Bandy's avatar

They’re still pushing the vax for pregnant women. Dr Jen was on on Tv the other day and reiterated the importance. 🤬

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Carole's avatar

Babies eligible at 6 months for the experimental shot.

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Emilie H's avatar

I just hear a similar story at work about an in-womb heart attack. What a horrible situation. (And yes, V are required for work).

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Benjamin Two N's's avatar

What did you say the other day? "Died of the suddenlies" or something?

It was funny and now I can't remember it.

35 year old lady died in her sleep. totally normal.

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Based Florida Man's avatar

Ya, a lot of people are getting a case of the Suddenlies. Doctors are baffled... they don't know what it is, but they know for sure it's not the experimental Shot.

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Annie's avatar

My neighbor had his knee replaced. Blood clots, pain and swelling. Problems more than 2 weeks after it should have been okay according to the doctor. He is triple vaxxed. #ABV. He told me it is from the scar tissue from a surgery done 6 years ago. So new normal is scar tissue = blood clots. I just looked at him. What can you do if he believes that crap.

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Fla Mom's avatar

Imho, we should be careful not to make claims that are easily refutable. My own two separate clots, decades ago but separated in time by 4 years, were just below the site of an old major knee surgery. Each one had other precipitating factors on top of the old surgery. There can be impingement by the scar on the vessels, or perhaps the architecture of the area was changed such that a vessel has a more serpentine route, leading to reduced or less smooth flow at that point. There have also been young people who died suddenly, decades ago, including a fit, active duty 35-year-old physical therapist whom I knew personally, who died suddenly while running on a treadmill one early morning. His post-mortem exam showed he had a heart attack. In the 'old days,' it was also not uncommon to discover a previously-undiagnosed congenital heart defect, such as Wolff-Parkinson-White Syndrome, in a young person who died suddenly, including quite young people, well before puberty. I do believe the injections can cause clots (and other problems), but I think our messaging has to be solid, in order to persuade those who don't yet see their risks. The life insurance data and disability claims data, as shared by Ed Dowd and others, is difficult to refute. In the cases Dowd included in his book, Cause Unknown, these other identifiable and known causes have not been named, so in those cases suspicion for an injection adverse event, being hidden "to reduce vaccine hesitancy," for the love of all that is good, would be higher.

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Annie's avatar

Yeah. There was other issues that seem suspect, hand seizures etc. I am of the opinion that it's the vaxx till proven otherwise.

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Copernicus's avatar

I agree.

It's hard to maintain openness to a broader differential than simply "the shots," but it is very important. Otherwise important conditions can be overlooked.

This is another reason for good post-mortem autopsies, isn't it.

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Annie's avatar

Good luck getting one of them especially if it prove it was the vaxx.

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Annie's avatar

Agree. The new normal. Good grief. I can't believe how many of these people fall for it. 🤯

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CaplT's avatar

Haha

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Politico Phil's avatar

When everyone lies, telling the truth isn't just rebellion, it's an act of revolution. The truth is a weapon.

author unknown to me

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Sunshinegirl1217's avatar

"In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act"

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Politico Phil's avatar

Ah, of course. there is Orwell's actual quote. I should have known. My paraphrase is a pretty good rendering of his statement.

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Sunshinegirl1217's avatar

That's how I recognized it.

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Politico Phil's avatar

I got it from a movie, of all places.

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daiva's avatar

Otoh ↓↓ 🤷

šŸ—Ø In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is a hallucinating idiot. ~~Marshall McLuhan

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Benjamin Two N's's avatar

George Orwell

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Dick's avatar

Hi PP.

Thought you & others might like this George Grant interview. Starts out w/ abortion & then a powerful overview of how we got here. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=TM8jtY-tAL8

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Politico Phil's avatar

Grant is a giant. Started reading him decades ago.

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Dick's avatar

Me too, but had forgotten about him. So glad I found this. He is indeed a giant!

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Raptor's avatar

Truth Rebellion. I just internet searched it. No webpage by that name. It would be a good one if someone named Phil wanted it for spreading truthiness.

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Politico Phil's avatar

Coffee and Truth Rebellion?

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Raptor's avatar

Every good truth rebellion starts with a fresh cuppa joe. You know what you get when you don't? The French Revolution. No bread and no coffee. Nothing good comes from that.

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CaplT's avatar

Sounds too rebellious so may attracting the curious fence sitter. ...

Coffee & Truth

Coffee & True Lies (exposing lies)

Coffee & Reality

?

Unless Jeff has the rights to

ā€œCoffee &ā€ - altho that has been used in retail, ministries and tons of other settings ;)

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Politico Phil's avatar

Was thinking that might be a candidate if Jeff wants to change his title.

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$ocratease's avatar

I wish conservatives would realize that the woke mind virus has infected ALOT of themselves and they don't even realize that they're being controlled to accept it through SPEECH.

Stop gendering words. "COUNCILPERSON, "COUNCILWOMAN," etc., are Marxist words meant to divide us. I don't care what the position is, they don't need to be gendered and yet we find ourselves falling right into the trap.

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Carole's avatar

And it started a long time ago with actor/actress.

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SYFY's avatar

the political correctness that came in while I was in high school was the beginning of this nonsense. I called it back then as being a bad thing and have always refused to go along with it. You can't NOT offend anyone, someone will ALWAYS find something to be offended by. Not worth my time try to think of a way to baby the world. People just need to put on their big girl panties and move on.

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RunningLogic's avatar

You can almost always tell when people intend to offend, and then you can ignore them or push back. And if they said something inadvertently obnoxious or offensive, why not give them a little grace? šŸ¤·ā€ā™€ļø

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SYFY's avatar

exactly! saves you stress all around, too.

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Based Florida Man's avatar

RFK Jr points out heavily vaxxed countries have higher covid death rate than non vaxxed.

https://twitter.com/littlemykonos/status/1652440374055690241

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LMWC's avatar

Insurrectionist redefined just like the CDC had to redefine what a vaccine is/was. It’s all word salad for those who go no further than social media headlines and meme’s.

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Neil Kellen's avatar

Doing your time does not yield a clean slate. It only means that you have paid a debt. Rationalize all you want Noam, but you were close friends with a pedophile and you knew it. Was that the reason you were a close friend?

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ViaVeritasVita's avatar

Honestly, Noam was a name when I was in graduate school in 1972. Isn't it time he moved on to a 'better' place more suited to his character?

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CaplT's avatar

Noam is Hilary’s god.

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ViaVeritasVita's avatar

Well, she finished at Wellesley in'69, about this same time--I was doing Classics, which involved linguistics, which brought in Noam C

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Benjamin Two N's's avatar

Jeff has some weird folks he likes to qoute for his blog

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Neil Kellen's avatar

When you are quoting the left, that's about all there is.

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Benjamin Two N's's avatar

Yeah, why a "conservative" is qouting a communist I'll never understand.

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Steve's avatar

Dear Benjamin w/2N’s,

Your crazy is showing again — you might want to tuck that back in…!!

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MaryAnn's avatar

🤣🤣🤣

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Lisa Ca's avatar

bahaha

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Benjamin Two N's's avatar

You saying Seymour hersh is a capitalist right winger?

I somehow doubt that.

If there's a side the USA is on he is always on the other side...conveniently with the USSR, Cuba, Venezuela, Iran, and others.

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Jon Swenson's avatar

The past few decades are a slow motion torture of the type portrayed in Star Trek NG 'Chain of Command', "How many lights?"

From 1984:

The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command. His heart sank as he thought of the enormous power arrayed against him, the ease with which any Party intellectual would overthrow him in debate, the subtle arguments which he would not be able to understand, much less answer. And yet he was in the right! They were wrong and he was right.

George Orwell

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Tracy's avatar

I so agree with the slow torture.

Drip, drip, drip. Sometimes I feel as if I'm either actually living in the Twilight zone or just losing my mind.

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Susan In Kansas's avatar

The problem with DeSantis... The problem with Trump... The problem with Kennedy...Hey we all need to remember that we have a problem with the DEMOCRATS. We have a problem with electability. Unless we get our s$%t together and start voting like a block, we will never win.

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Seeking Grace's avatar

Agree with everything you said, up until the last sentence. It doesn’t matter how we vote or how big our block is. The Left has refined a fake ballot system over the last few elections and if we can’t overcome that, nothing changes. I don’t mean to be a Eeyore, just a realist. The sooner we accept the reality, the sooner we can accept the need for a parallel economy and for helping those who don’t see it/prepare for it. There are groups springing up everywhere to help people figure this out. We know ā€œthere are no atheists in foxholes,ā€ so we need to be ready to come alongside those who see the truth, even at the last minute. I predict (and pray for) a lot of heart conversions! šŸ™šŸ»

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Copernicus's avatar

We don't need to give up on our elections.

Connect with your state election integrity group. Show up at county election board meetings. Ask questions. Develop relationships. Run for precinct committeeman so you have a voice in your county party appointments. Work the polls. Ask your lawmakers to return to paper ballots, hand counting, in person one day voting except for truly infirm or overseas military.

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Seeking Grace's avatar

You’re right. It just seems so impossible. And it’s wrong to submit to apathy or, worse, despair. And typing a comment on a stack doesn’t equal concrete action, as much as I wish it did. Your last sentence is the key; do you believe that’s really possible? Maybe not for 24, but after that, when things get bad enough??

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Copernicus's avatar

A county (?) in Missouri recently had a very successful hand count.

There are many folks asking for exactly these things, but TPTB are so entrenched, and have gotten state laws in place that make it hard to return to paper ballots and hand counting, that it is going to take thoughtful strategic work and influence along with a lot of God-given persistence to make these changes.

The changes may not come all at once, but it IS possible.

Contact your state’s election integrity group. Search for ā€œyour state + election integrityā€ or ā€œyour state + first auditā€ or go to America First website. Get connected so you can find out how it is done and what is needed.

Our state EI group, by God’s grace, was able to prevent two very bad provisions from becoming law this year. Now, we had hoped and prayed for a whole lot more, including a return to paper and full audits, etc. But, we did have influence on these other two matters, praise God.

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Seeking Grace's avatar

Congratulations! We have to take the small wins, or ANY wins, and build on them. Thanks for the inspiration today!

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Seeking Grace's avatar

I did reach out to Jay Valentine at omega4america.com, and he gave me the name of our state person, but she hasn’t responded to me. Have you read any of his pieces at American Thinker or his website where he explains fractal computing? He insists that our typical election integrity measures are antiquated in catching/stopping fraud, and he makes some solid arguments. Of course, what he proposes has to be done in conjunction with legislative reform, eg voter ID, hand counts, etc. But if anything electronic is involved, his systems (?) are critical. And all of the above will take much more voter engagement than what we see during most elections. Can you please clone yourself?!

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Copernicus's avatar

Good for you. Just be persistent in following up with the contact. If that group is like ours, it is 100% volunteer run. And folks can be stretched thin at times.

I'm not personally familiar with him, but yes, any kind of machine is a death knell for true election integrity. That much has been known for years. Many folks suspect the hanging chad debacle in Florida was merely an excuse to usher in machines so that elections could be more easily manipulated.

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RJ Rambler's avatar

Win what with whom? If we don't take down Dominion and foreign infiltraItors nothing matters what we do.

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Benjamin Two N's's avatar

Tucker said Dominion did nothing wrong.

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Jaci's avatar

I think the real problem is ethics and morality. Dems have neither. The ends justify the means. Power is the end...death, lying, distracting, cheating, etc. are the means. Dems are now thugs as they destroy, never build...Build Back Better...what a slogan for destruction.

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YYR's avatar

"Democrats use money to get power and Republicans use power to get money."

-Sundance

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RJ Rambler's avatar

And Repubs only have their platform.

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crystal01681's avatar

I fully expect the left has a plan to mess with the votes, no matter what. They cannot give up power and control and they’re not going to let a little free and fair election get in their way. As soon as they said biden was running again, I told me that the ā€œfix is inā€. Sorry, but this is the way they rumble.

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Roman S Shapoval's avatar

Who ever thought Bill Maher could be our white knight? I used to love him, then I hated him, now...let's go Billy Boy!

I will also say we have to be careful with Musk, as he knows how to play the masses and is good at picking up the political heartbeat. He's got satellites that not only help NSA spy on us all through the C-band spectrum, but will very likely destroy our planet if we don't rein him in: https://romanshapoval.substack.com/p/5g-satellites-a-threat-to-all-life

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Kitkat's avatar

Although Bill said "Tucker's RANT"...it was not a rant. His Lefty bias is showing strong in that comment. He could have just said "video"....but no, have to get that dig in there.

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Roman S Shapoval's avatar

I hear you...he's got a chip on his shoulder indeed.

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Fortified City's avatar

Be careful ā€œBilly Boyā€ also

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Peter GL's avatar

Better "Billy Boy" than "Billy Beer"!

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Kim D's avatar

Elon is a "Wolf in Sheep's Clothing"! I had to laugh when he praised himself for his saving the planet efforts with electric cars, batteries and solar!!! We all know the damaging effects of mining for the minerals it takes to make these batteries and how they are anything but sustainable. They are artificial with a short life span that end up in land fills. Those cars are a total joke. Incidents of spontaneous fires, autopilot errors and limited range per charge are just a few of the negative aspects. Ask any first responder atttending a Tesla car involved accident about the potential dangers. Nikola Tesla must be rolling in his grave that his name is identified with such an inferior machine. Elon has picked up the torch of Wernher Von Braun, a Nazi and is continuing the mad agenda of the Mars Project as well as other Nazi missions such as creating the perfect human. That idea is not of Nature or Divine. Saving Twitter was more about control with so many new competing social media outlets coming on board. You never here about Trump's Truth Social anymore. Elon is not someone to place high on a list of redemers for the state of the world.

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Roman S Shapoval's avatar

Exactly Kim - so you know the whole story about Von Braun prophecying about a man called Elon taking us to Mars?

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Based Florida Man's avatar

I'm a Ron DeSantis fan, and multipled him. But gosh does he have some dirt on his hands. Here's a great substack showing how DeSantis pushed medical tyranny in Florida.

https://dfreality.substack.com/p/a-case-study-in-controlled-opposition

Some highlights:

---DeSantis quotes on the Vaxx (yes, a bit old, but I didn't know he was such a mad vaxxer):

ā€œToday, we will have shots going in armsā€ Dec 14th, 2020

ā€œWe want the shots to go in the arms.ā€ Jan 4th, 2021

"My message is the vaccines protect you. Get vaccinatedā€ May 3rd, 2021

ā€œHe’ll be kind of the grim reaper of business licenses, because there’s not going to be any tolerance [for breaking COVID guidelines]ā€ June 23rd, 2021

"If you are vaccinated, fully vaccinated, the chance of you getting seriously ill or dying from COVID is effectively zero. If you look at the people that are being admitted to hospitals, over 95% of them are either not fully vaccinated or not vaccinated at all. And so these vaccines are saving lives. They are reducing mortality.ā€ Jul 21st 2021

"Seventy-five percent of Floridians over the age of 50 have gotten shots, so we think that’s really, really positive.ā€ Jul 21st, 2021

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Sunnydaze's avatar

I read that last week. It really gave me pause. Some I knew, but to put it all together makes him look way worse. I’ve got one eye open with him especially since SB 222 is dead and his less than stellar bill took front and center stage. Huge eye opener even though Jeff’s take on it helped even out my expectations.

Just like Trump and being a vax pusher has my eyes wide open.

Honestly, if we think one man will save us we will be severely disappointed. Not one man is perfect with a spotless record. They all fall short. The sooner we figure that out the better.

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Smatse's avatar

No one will save us. We must all take action and save ourselves.

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Maggie Think of Me's avatar

My Lord and Savior has already saved me. I have no capacity to save myself....

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Tracy's avatar

YES!!! Why even waste time and breath talking about any presidential candidates. They don't run the country. The hidden evil ones do. Can we all not see that yet!

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Annie's avatar

For me it's the swamp creatures like lying Paul Ryan who endorse him that sends up red flags for me. It's hard to be with that bunch and not get tainted.

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Willing Spirit's avatar

And the Bush brothers and Karl Rove. I’m sure that DeSantis is wealthier than most of us could ever dream of being, but he’s peewee league in the world of TPTB. He can not afford independence. He is being promoted with a campaign of deceptive acts and speech.

The large print sounds so good. Check out the small print.

George W. Bush. I remember that SOB very well.

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Julie Ann B's avatar

Me too! I voted for him twice and thought the media and the left were always unfairly attacking him not knowing he was one of ā€œthemā€ until he handed the Oval Office to the Clinton crime family and they were suddenly best buddies.

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Freedom Fox's avatar

That was The GHWBush crime family syndicate handing it to the WJClinton crime family syndicate, suddenly best buddies. Who handed it back to the GWBush crime family syndicate, suddenly best buddies. Who handed it to the BHObama crime family syndicate, suddenly best buddies. Who tried to hand it to back to either the HRClinton or JEBush crime family syndicates as best buds...but the DJTrump MAGA Train chugged over both of them! For some strange reason, not suddenly best buddies with his predecessors?

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Julie Ann B's avatar

You nailed it!

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Notyours's avatar

"You live with apes, man, it's hard to be clean"

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Annie's avatar

Agree. Lay down with dogs you can get fleas.

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Julie Ann B's avatar

Annie, my concern is Paul Ryan, Jeb Bush and Ronna McDaniel! All pompous RINOS who think they’re still relevant!

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Notyours's avatar

Yup. I can't say I'm really a Marilyn Manson fan although nothing against him. I bought the song "Beautiful People" for my running playlist as it's a fast tempo song good for fartleks. But damned if the more I hear it the more it resonates these days.

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Jan's avatar

I judge a person by their enemies, but there’s a lot of strange overlapping of connections, some are real and some are purposeful. Just remember things aren’t always what you think you see.

This makes it hard to draw lines. I do know for a fact that some of these people will make connections to ruin people for optics etc. I remember when democrat Governor O’Malley showed up at a Republican delegates fund raiser to make the delegate look bad. He had him pose for a picture shaking his hand not invited. So it goes on social media! Done just like that. As a delegate do you say no thank you Governor and you weren’t invited? This is one example, but I’m sure it happens plenty. The left, establishment Rino is bold enough to play dirty down to the smallest ends to justify. Nothing is too petty or for no reason. They always have a motive. It’s hard to be one step ahead of how they think, it’s like trying to know an addicts next step. Impossible to predict sometimes the unthinkable can be what’s happening. It may be that your gut is right. That’s hard for good hearted people to wrap their heads around.

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Annie's avatar

Yes. Theater and psyops. One thing for sure is Paul Ryan is not to be trusted.

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Andrea Leshok's avatar

Ugh, used to love Paul Ryan when he represented the district next to mine in WI. My how times (and people) have changed!

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LMWC's avatar

It is why I refuse to get involved in the 2024 elections at this point. For those who wish to really remember, Trump did volumes of good against almost constant obstruction by the Dems and sabotage in his own party. He went against controlled bureaucracies, I am sure he had no idea how entrenched they were. But too many on here only remember the false pandemic performance. Do you really think Trump knew what Fauci and Birx were about? The world press screamed pandemic, morning, noon, and night. Looking back I would have been better off if I had turned off, not only the propaganda press, but also all social media. I do not know who should run for the GOP in 2024, and I am not sure it matters, but I do know that Trump is still immensely popular in many parts of the country, hence the fixing of so many state elections in 2022.

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Neil Kellen's avatar

Trump knew what Fauci and Birx were about. He didn't fire them because Jared told him it would cause political blowback. And Trump would have had to sit through just one meeting of the COVID task force to learn they were useless and that Pence was undermining him.

The biggest issue in his presidency, and Trump bungled it badly.

That being said, if he is the Republican nominee, I will likely vote for him even though he has no chance against those who count the votes.

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LMWC's avatar

I see and you were in the room when Jared pushed all this through his father in law? Again, you have short memories. DJT does not stand a chance but neither does any Republican running. The 2020 election was stolen, never resolved, and fixed in several swing states to assure never having free National elections again. It is why I refuse to play the political game of who will save us.

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Neil Kellen's avatar

I was not, but others were and this is well documented. I too believe the 2024 election results are already known to those who will decide.

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Willing Spirit's avatar

I think that explanation is a little wobbly and I’m not buying that the Governor couldn’t have gotten SB 222 passed.

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Sunnydaze's avatar

I agree. It’s all smoke and mirrors. There’s no reason for killing SB 222 and going with his bill. Except they get to keep control of the people. More of the same rebranded and new packaging to fool the masses who refuse to wake up.

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rolandttg's avatar

So true. It is up to the people. Most people I have followed for years predict a false savior who will lead us willing out of the frying pan and into the fire. in addition to this covid history, Desantis said there was absolutely no 2020 election fraud in Florida. Like Kissinger, Amy Comey Barret, Kavenaugh, and many many other prominent people, he is a member of the Pilgrim's Society. In addition, he is a member of Yale's secret society St. Elmo's Hall, founded specifically in 1889 to form a close relationship with the Knight's of Malta. Their emblem is a viking ship with a goat above it. Wikepedia wiped his membership a few years ago. His sister worked in the audit division of KP&G. She died very mysteriously in 2015 while in London auditing the most powerful bank in the world no one has heard of , Coutts Bank. Been around since the 1600's; it is the bank of the Royal family. Essentially no information available on his sister's death. America has never not been under the control of Britain. Gabriel and McKibben have put out some very revealing podcasts in the past. Here is the one on Desantis revealed. Decide for Yourself.

https://beforeitsnews.com/alternative/2022/07/gabriel-and-mckibben-expose-gov-desantis-secret-ties-to-skull-and-bones-the-pilgrims-society-and-jesuit-knights-of-malta-3776128.html

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daverkb's avatar

Thanks and well said! We are so down the hole leading to the Pit of National Damnation that we must necessarily reach for the good with benefit on balance. And also, never underestimate the stupidity of the electorate as a circumscribing of how far the envelope can be pushed as to any one thing in time. Covid is a prime case for study. It was impossible to overcome the stampede of fear and panic in the heat of the moment. Fortunately, a few brave men and women kept speaking out truth on balance. And we must remember, a lot of political people were plain out fooled. Some though, did figure it out.

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Lisa Ca's avatar

for all fall short of the glory of God!

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Bingham22's avatar

At this point it is a choice between wicked men, and evil men. All are bad choices…but the worst of them intend nothing less than the destruction of this Nation…and humanity itself. They aren’t just evil, they are clinically insane.

I will take wicked and leave it up to God to judge them.

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Albert Steed's avatar

Everything Ron did was 100% in response to the absolute total fuck up that Trump created. Trump created the vaccine fiasco. Trump soldiered out Fauci and let that piece of shit drive the narrative. Ron has little room to maneuver at the beginning because of Trump.

At the end of the day, however he took the arrows for Trump, did the right things and made Florida a beacon of freedom.

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TIM's avatar

That's right....hindsight and digging up old soundbites makes it easy to be an armchair quarterback....I think DeSantis was dynamic, changing and working for the people armed with what data he had coming in on a daily basis. Just remove him, and insert Gillum...where would we have been? Trump trusted the very government swamp creatures he vowed during his campaign to rid us of.....and they bit him

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AM's avatar

If Gillum had become Governor we’d probably be a year behind where we are

now with the scamdemic, if not worse.

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Janet's avatar

I knew the minute Biden won that Fauci would be elevated even higher on his hero pedestal instead of hoisted on his own petard. More’s the pity. 😔

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AM's avatar

Exactly. It’s also why I saw California license plates EVERY day for months in 2021 and 2022. It’s finally died down some but I did see one on 95 the other day.

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Raptor's avatar

They are all in S Utah right now. Ironman this coming week and of course it's summer so they are all flocking to Zion, Bryce and Moab. Not as many with the masks, but I think I preferred them with the masks.

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Angela's avatar

THANK YOU!šŸŽÆšŸŽÆšŸŽÆšŸŽÆšŸŽÆšŸŽÆ Trump was the instrument of implantation. Still will not apologize. DeSantis did a 180° and was attack by Trump for reopening!

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Willing Spirit's avatar

In your dreams.

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Freedom Fox's avatar

Why did Ron select this person to be his Lt Gov?

Jeannette Nunez. Who is she?:

https://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/politics/fl-reg-nunez-gov-pick-20180905-story.html

"As a state representative, NuƱez broke ranks with some members of her party on immigration, sponsoring a bill that allowed undocumented students to pay in-state tuition rates at colleges and universities. "Don't hold these children responsible for something they had no control over."

"She supported legislation that extended state lawsuit protection to university doctors working in public hospitals."

"NuƱez rallied support for GOP presidential candidate Mitt Romney in 2012 as a member of the ā€œWomen for Mittā€ coalition."

https://secondnexus.com/jeanette-nunez-trump-tweet-con

"Wake up Florida voters. Trump, is the biggest con-man there is.

#supportsKKKā€ and ā€œ#nevertrump.ā€"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeanette_Nu%C3%B1ez

ā€œ...NuƱez later entered the health care industry, working as the vice-president of government affairs at Jackson Health System. NuƱez also worked for Florida International University as an adjunct professor and advisor. She also served as the vice-president of external affairs at Kendall Regional Medical Center and Aventura Hospital & Medical Center, until becoming the lieutenant governor of Florida.ā€

Umm...Big Medical/Big Pharma would run the state of Florida if Ron wins election. Are you under any illusion that the same industry that is behind censoring doctors in other states, requiring placebo masks to enter their facilities, pushes jabs into the arms of babies and pregnant women - even in Florida, supports genital mutilation surgery on children without parental consent, pays doctors to push jabs on everyone, needing them or not, reports patients who admit to having guns in their homes to authorities, even asking children about their parent's guns in their examinations, has declared that "systemic racism" is a bigger public health risk than a "pandemic of the century" people needed to break lockdowns and quarantines to protest, that that industry she is a leader of in Florida running Florida would do what Ron did if given his power?

I'm not. Why'd he pick her?

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Peter GL's avatar

Didn't Trump try to fire Fauci?

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NAB's avatar

Nope. He actually said he was afraid to fire Fauci due to the media backlash he anticipated if he did so.

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CaplT's avatar

A president cannot fire someone from that position. That title can only be fired by the title’s boss, who is Fauci’s buddy, or by the ethics director, who is Fauci’s wife.

There was so much mutiny against Trump by the executive and the administrative states including Fauci, that Trump was hamstrung even tho Trump insisted the jabs not be mandatory, and said 2 dozen times that IVM and HCQ be provided nationwide as early treatment. He got lambasted for that as if he was killing every grandma himself. I think he still considers IVM and HCQ vax-like. Dr. Zelenko made a huge impression on him.

Also wasn’t the 2019 tabletop Plan to force lockdowns for 2 years and purposely hold off a vax for 2 years so EVERYONE would take it just to get out of lockdown? If so Trump put a wrench in the Plan even if he could not stop it.

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Based Florida Man's avatar

Some more snips from that substack regarding DeSantis' Lockdown Policies:

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"First let us dispel the notion that Florida didn’t lockdown or that those lockdowns were somehow limited in scope. Governor DeSantis did issue stay at home orders, beginning in April and ending on June 28th of 2020. For those of you counting at home, that’s nearly three months of house arrest. It’s truly worse than house arrest since you can still go to work and church on house arrest. This shutdown included schools, which also closed for the spring semester of 2020, although they did open in the Fall.

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Florida also had an extensive contact tracing program. Millions were paid for these contact tracing apps, which the Governor called ā€œlargely ineffectiveā€; all acquired through no-bid contracts to a company owned by the son of one of DeSantis’ top donors. It wasn’t until September 29th that all capacity restrictions were lifted and small businesses were allowed to operate normally, like Home Depot and Wal-Mart always had been. Yes, DeSantis relented before most other Governor’s, but that is scarce comfort to the lives and businesses destroyed during that time period. Instead of admitting fault, he now largely pretends he never shut us down.

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In the interim, churches, small businesses, and local restaurants that broke DeSantis’ shutdown order had their business licenses revoked. A Hillsborough County Pastor was arrested for defying this tyrannical edict, but mostly for having the temerity to publicly lead his flock through the storm. It wasn’t until May of 2021, over a year into the fake pandemic, that all COVID restrictions were dropped in Florida."

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Johnny-O's avatar

The sooner folks realize the political theatre going on in this country the sooner we can fix our problems. As Carlin said, we ain't part of the club.

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YYR's avatar

DeSantis screeched about Kemp opening Georgia, calling it a suicide pact. Georgia was never so locked down like Florida was.

But don't just look at his contradictions as governor, look at his congressional record and his big ticket wall Street donors, who expect something in return. DeSantis is better than Xiden, but his lionization is wearing thin.

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Willing Spirit's avatar

That was when decisions had been made about a campaign and some impressive visuals needed to be cooked up and quick!

In 2018, few Floridians knew who DeSantis was. And his campaign was so poor, he came within a hair of losing. He had to play MAGA and have President Trump yank him over the finish line at the last minute. He’s very grateful, of course (sarc).

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Lisa P's avatar

I'm wondering how many people remember that DeSantis put roadblocks up on I-10 to check people's drivers licenses to 'keep people from Louisiana out'. Do y'all remember that? Neither Trump nor DeSantis are perfect, and I'm avoiding confrontations with my friends over who we support. My concern is that the GOP primary will be so ugly that it will depress the 2024 GOP turnout. So I wish DeSantis wasn't running, but I'm happy with either of them as the nominee.

Either one of them will be better than Nikki Haley, Tim Scott, etc. And then there are those who say the elections are obviously rigged (which also decreases GOP turnout). Either way, America's best days are behind us. We all know it. All we can do is make/keep our little corner of America sane.

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Peter GL's avatar

and either one would be better than Brandon

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NAB's avatar

We need more people running. This is how they all become better, more focused candidates. They all need their respective feet held to the fire.

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Lisa P's avatar

My boyfriend thinks the same thing. He thinks debating ideas is healthy, and I agree with that. Maybe y'all are right. The debates will get ugly. The Trump and DeSantis camps are already duking it out on twitter, and it's already ugly. Imho, unless there is massive cheating in the GOP primary, Trump will win. That's the main reason I don't think DeSantis should run - it's because I don't think he has a chance to win.

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SusanMc's avatar

Ugh!

He & Trump need to own up & explain their journey to medical freedom (I hope)

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My Favorite Things's avatar

Who in the world has not made a mistake or had an error in judgment? Then why are we so hard on DeSantis for things he said years ago? Why not look at what he is doing now?

He didn’t initially realize the jabs were so harmful and potentially dangerous when they first became available. DeSantis believed Trump and prominent health officials. Is that such a grevious sin?

He’s now done more than any other politician in this country to protect its citizens from vaccine harm. He has championed medical freedom. He opened up Florida when he realized he couldn’t trust the federal government’s health officials. It took guts and a lot of courage to stand up for us Floridians. He had to endure a lot of backlash and name calling such as ā€œRon Death DeSantis.ā€

So yeah, I’m sure you could have done a much better job because you’re so perfect and have never made a mistake in your life.

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Based Florida Man's avatar

An error in judgement? It took OVER A YEAR for Florida to end all covid restrictions.

Florida STILL allows the death vax for small children.

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Skeptical Actuary's avatar

They officially recommend against them for anyone under 20 and any males under 40 if I remember right.

I don't think DeSantis has the authority to ban them.

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ViaVeritasVita's avatar

It benefits the Feds to kill off the retired/elderly (my first thought on hearing of this 'disease' back in Feb. ? '20) but how does it benefit Florida? The retired pay taxes, support local business.

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BuelahMan's Revolt's avatar

Dude is like Trump: say anything to the current audience and change tomorrow without even a little bit of blushing.

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Smatse's avatar

No surprise there, as that is typical politician behavior.

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daverkb's avatar

Florida Man, I am no expert on Ron DeSantis other than what I read in Coffee and Covid. But to all of this, there apparently was a large learning curve going on. And as well, I see hardly any other governors who have done for the people what DeSantis has done in Florida. So, imperfect as life may be, maybe that's what to go with. And from what I've seen, there is a pious campaign now underway to maliciously to destroy DeSantis. One technique is time line warpage. It's as though someone borrowed a squad of NYT Disinformation Demons and set them loose in Florida.

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CaplT's avatar

DeSantis had a jab awakening around July 2021. He mentioned it in a talk but I don’t remember what it was.

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Neil Kellen's avatar

I skimmed through it: seems interesting. Will have to take time to read it in detail and validate if for myself. There is no purity in politics, and if you ascribe anything but ambition to a politician's motives you will be disappointed. But you can still take advantage of those limits, if you hold them accountable.

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AB's avatar

And then his wife got turbo breast cancer...

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Politico Phil's avatar

Jeffrey Epstein’s Calendar Reveals Meetings with International Business and Political Figures

Epstein subsequently connected Ruemmler with Ariane de Rothschild, the current CEO of Edmond de Rothschild Group, a private bank in Switzerland.

https://amgreatness.com/2023/05/01/jeffrey-epsteins-calendar-reveals-meetings-with-international-business-and-political-figures/

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AJF's avatar

Follow da money!!

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Julie Ann B's avatar

My first question about Epstein is was he suicided or is he alive somewhere in a witness protection program? He has dirt on so so many politicians and other prominent people.

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Vickie Chapman's avatar

Ryan Webb is my new favorite person. šŸ˜‚

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The Antipole's avatar

The "insurrectionist" portion was lame. The right has an atrocious habit of being reactive to the bullying left by whining about the left and then eventually adopting the left's childish games - thereby letting the left set the tone, rules, etc. And then when the left hypocritically calls the right out for acting stupidly (even though the right is just adopting the left's tactics) then the right whines some more. Its a pathetic and weak cycle. Shows a lack of conviction.

If the left hijacked the term "insurrectionist" - then the right absolutely should not adopt that polluted terminology and need to hold each other accountable before the left correctly calls out the right for stupidly, hypocritically betraying itself and its principles. Bc even if the right "wins" a battle by using the left's poison, they've already lost the war. You don't win by adopting the pathological tactics of your ideological enemy. This is a spiritual war people. There are fates worst than death.

The insurrectionist creed was whiny. Irritating like sean hannity. Unbecoming.

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Jon Swenson's avatar

'Liberals'/socialists have been hijacking language for over 100 years.

First it was 'progressive'. Teddy, Wilson and Hoover were 'progressive'. FDR, running against Hoover, called himself a 'liberal', but he was a socialist, too.

Are homosexuals really happy (gay)?

The list goes on.

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Credenda's avatar

We do let them control speech, don’t we. I don’t know how many times I’ve heard my conservative friends off-handedly use the term ā€œidentify asā€ as if it’s been in the lexicon for decades. And don’t get me started on the way people of all political persuasions refer to a large group of people as ā€œthe massesā€. This is an old Marxist term but is nearly universal now. It’s a demeaning term and predictably, the person using it never ā€œidentifiesā€ as one of ā€œthe massesā€. We need to recover the rational use of language.

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FreeBird07's avatar

Or "top of mind"... can't tell you how often I hear that now as stated by KJP when covering for Biden calling out dead people in the audience

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WP William's avatar

Yes, only spoofing the Leftist games and terminology seems highly appropriate but not adopting Leftism's betrayal of truth and reality. While we're on Hannity (Vanity i call him) he's the most irritating on several levels of his "show". One example; He bit-ches about Puerto Rico possibly becoming a state as a Democratic move and ignores that this position is spelled out in the 2016 and 2020 Republican platforms.

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Willing Spirit's avatar

I call Hannity old ā€˜tick, tock’. He nauseates me. I can’t believe he still has a show.

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crystal01681's avatar

It’s nice to get excited about who’s running in 2024, but the minute biden announced he’s running, it only meant one thing to me. And that is that the ā€œfix is inā€. There is no talk of fixing our election problem - and there is no talk of having an election problem. But we ALL know from 2020 and AZ - 2022, that there is a HUGE problem with our election integrity. It is very disheartening that Fox settled with Dominion, because a lot of truth would have come out about our elections. Now, we have to deny there is a problem. Fox, giving up on TRUTH and firing Tucker is a huge red flag for the up-coming election. From there, there will be more sacrifices of truth. Truth cannot be allowed.

We cannot go blindly into this very important election in 2024, but there will be massive moves to silence all of us. This is just the tip of the ice-berg.

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MaryAnn's avatar

My thoughts about fixing the voter fraud/election rigging: I think the Repubs are planning to win by cheating better than the Dems…

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crystal01681's avatar

This would be a shock! Lol.

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