My understanding is that what they are charging is for use on public highways. Federal highways? I don’t know a lot about it yet…but was interested for the same reason. NY likely doesn’t have the authority to charge to drive on that roadway, is my guess.
Oregon is trying to build up a TOLL road on I-5 and I-205. I keep asking how? It’s an…
My understanding is that what they are charging is for use on public highways. Federal highways? I don’t know a lot about it yet…but was interested for the same reason. NY likely doesn’t have the authority to charge to drive on that roadway, is my guess.
Oregon is trying to build up a TOLL road on I-5 and I-205. I keep asking how? It’s an interstate. There’s no way to get from Oregon to Washington without those interstates. So how can OREGON charge citizens to drive on the Interstate?!!!! They already pay super high taxes that are supposed to pay for the damned roads! I am furious over it and I don’t even live there anymore.
When I asked Oregonians at Christmas when I was there visiting -not one had an answer of how they are getting away with this. The citizens are dumbfounded and have been castrated by the criminal cabal running Oregon. They are impotent to help at this point. I really hope Trump or his team or even Scott Pressler can go to the left coast and free the people in bondage over there. They NEED help over there!! The gangster mob has total control over their govt, their elections and their way of life. My friends and family are being strangled. This has to stop.
In both Chicago and Minneapolis there are toll roads galore on interstates.
MPLS is not like Chicago's though-- it is only for high congestion times and restricts the far left lane only. No cameras that I know of, so pretty passive.
We have HOV lanes in Houston but, as far as I know, none of them are tolled. You just get a ticket if you’re caught on them with too few people in the car. We definitely have toll roads, but not on interstates.
Portions of I-70 heading west from Kansas City are toll roads. The tolls are collected by the State of Kansas. You make a good point, how does a Federally funded highway generate tolls for the State? Is the money divided up between the Feds and Kansas? I have no idea how this works; does anyone here know?
True - the senate voted the 1913 Revenue Act ( income tax) into law. All the Dems , except 1 voting for if, & all but 1 R voting against. Was supposed to be temporary.
I thought that was the case, seem to remember an outcry about that - I live in MO but halfway follow KS issues. I will say that a low population state like KS it makes more sense to tax the drivers who use that road vs piling on taxes for the people who live there and in some cases never even drive on it. But that assumes KDOT uses the money wisely?? I will say we took the 1-70 toll roads to CO for an annual ski vacation for 20+ years and the roads are in good shape unlike the pothole-ridden always under construction roads in states like IL.
MO floated a toll for adding a lane to I-70 across the state about 7-8 years ago and that went over like a lead balloon. But we got a pile of covid money and that is now what is funding the expansion, so no toll roads in MO.
Well, it's not just generating revenue for the sake of revenue, and incidentally ... road repair. It's about people control, and the fake agendas like climate and carbon which are also about control of every aspect of human action.
So ... DOGE revelations, USAID for example and much more. There's plenty of money for road, vital infrastructure IF IT WERE GRIFTED, outright stolen away.
And so, 'they' are outright playing us left and right. And I hope it ends now.
Shit I had no idea you were a Kansas (or maybe MO?) resident too! No wonder we get along so famously. (or at least agree with one another a lot). My county did get rid of our section of the I-70 toll--it now doesn't start until I think Douglas County whereas it used to start in Leavenworth.
I'm keeping a stank eye on whatever they think they are going to shove down our throats about the "Chiefs" and us poor citizens having to pay for any of it---which I want ZERO part of.
That's funny. My cousin (one of hundreds but this one and I grew up together pretty much so like a brother) is now in San Diego where he ended up after the Navy. Small world.
Well Howdy Ryan! I’m from Highland in the Inland Empire and have spent lots of time in SD … love it! My granddaughter is graduating from UCSD this June. 😄
STAR bonds.....for a stadium they will play a dozen games a year in a good year and maybe a few concerts. Done with this welfare scheme - Royals and Chiefs can move for all I care! Get woke, go broke.
They did move the toll location start point from Leavenworth County to Douglas at least 15 maybe 20 years ago (time flies) as I think Leavenworth opted out of continuing the toll here. I don't remember the particulars of it but I can guarantee it cost them a pretty penny to move it.
I know Michigan/Indiana has them also BUT you can take back roads without tolls as well. I wonder if as long as there is an alternate route they can get away with it??? Oregon Washington -nope! The only alternative that MIGHT work would take a commuter hours out of the way. I can’t see how this is legal. But without anyone to stop them…..
Oregon and Washington are really crazy states. I recall when moving to Idaho, I had been in Oregon but not driven. So I didn't know you aren't allowed to pump your own gas! That was odd. And then their taxes are super high. No bueno.
@Mary Rose- after driving cross country in 2009 from NY to Oregon, we needed gas. Husband got out and grabbed the pump handle and the attendant came running out and yelling at him. We had no idea we weren't allowed to pump our own!! Flip that to my Oregon sister renting a car and visiting NY- she pulled up to the pump and sat there until someone honked for her to get out and do it herself. Good thing she can laugh at herself!
Mary Rose, I grew up in WA and had a lot of relatives living in the Portland, OR area. For a long time, the best of both tax worlds was to live in Vancouver, WA with no income tax and shop across the river (Columbia) in OR which has no sales tax. We would take advantage of the "no sales tax" when we would visit the grandparents. I bought a lot of horse tack at the tack store near my grandparents' house as I didn't have to pay any sales tax!
I did have issues at the gas stations, as I would forget that I could not pump my own gas. They did pass a law a few years ago allowing folks to pump their own gas. If you do let them pump your gas, they now expect you to tip the gas attendants. Ai, yai, yai!
Another Kansas C&Cer here! live on the SW corner of KC, in Olathe (an ancient Indian word meaning "duplex," or "car dealership").
I grew up in South KCMO, but moved to the Free State nearly 40yrs ago. So, Missourian by birth; Kansan by choice.
Travel on the Kansas turnpike frequently, and well, I don't know the particulars of how it works, I suspect it has something to do with maintenance agreements between the state and the federal government that allow Kansas to take tolls. Tolls. I will say this, the Kansas turnpike between here and the Western boundary of the state is, while somewhat monotonous, very well maintained. If they are grifting off it, they're still spending a fair chunk of change on keeping it nice.
I am on the MO side in Lee's Summit, sorry your county is turning blue just like mine has been forever. All those KC refugees coming over to escape the mess they made there.
Fellow Oregonian strangulee here. Please, yes, come save us from the coordinated, whole-of-government tyranny in which we are imprisoned. Getting rid of NPR would be GREATLY helpful as a first order of action!
In Canada there was a toll highway from the from Kamloops in the interior BC to Vancouver. It was $8 each am as a toll BUT it cut the trip down from 8 hours to 4 hours. The toll was only supposed o be for a few years but it ended up being about 5x longer than that. From the 80s to the 2000s. I grew up in BC and I remember then Coquihalla as a toll highway but I was already living in the USA ( moved here in 2001). It was still a toll in 2007.
I am not 100% certain, but I worked for DOT and closely with the Turnpike (Toll Road Operation) and from what I gathered is the Turpike owners buy portions of the roads that they then must maintain without Federal dollars and they charge what what they want for driving on it!
There are other roads that connect OR and WA. US 101 and several bridges over the Columbia River along the Gorge. Wonder if they'll try to put tolls on those. The bridge between Hood River and White Salmon has always been a toll bridge.
Like I said….adding hours to a trip just to get to or from Vancouver 🙄. Stupidest thing I’ve heard of doing since they came out with the words global warming 🙄
However. Their goal is to keep us in our 15 min city 😡 so they are trying to make it so we can’t travel freely. How? By charging us to get outside of our area! People stop traveling if they have to pay even more money to these asshats. Pretty soon they’ll choke off the still “free” roads and voila! Can’t leave your “city” without paying. Agenda accomplished! We have a long way to go to rid ourselves of these cockroaches.
Sunnydaze, well, I suppose one could drive to Astoria and cross over to Washington there, but that is a bit of a drive to avoid the tolls. We would have to do it in reverse to visit family we have that still live in Oregon.
When I was a kid, there was a toll on the I-90 floating bridge to Seattle to pay for the bridge. I think the toll booths were down by the time I was in Junior High, but that was so long ago, I don't remember exactly. 😂
Now we have tolls on the Narrows bridge, so we can go visit family in Port Orchard, but we can't get back without either paying the toll ($6) or taking the ferry back. I don't know if those tolls will ever sunset. And, they have tolled the HOV lanes on I-405 and Hwy. 167. If you don't have the state's Good to Go Pass, they charge you extra for using the HOV lanes, even if you are a carpool, 'cause the govt has to know where you are going and when and who is in the car, as they snap your picture as you drive under the gantry (and probably how fast, too!)
Ugh. Yup. That’s the route I was thinking. Clear up to Astoria! That’s a LONG commute for someone just trying to get to or from Vancouver 🙄. I’m a little shocked there isn’t more of an uproar. But it’s hard to get citizens to roar even a little after they’ve been beaten down year after year. Pretty soon they just keep quiet. 😞
Well I am in MO, but live close to the state line of KS, so I pay a little bit of attention to KS and certainly drive on the roads there. Interstate 70 has a section of toll road in KS, as does I-35 - It is administered through KDOT. So it must be legal??
My understanding is that what they are charging is for use on public highways. Federal highways? I don’t know a lot about it yet…but was interested for the same reason. NY likely doesn’t have the authority to charge to drive on that roadway, is my guess.
Oregon is trying to build up a TOLL road on I-5 and I-205. I keep asking how? It’s an interstate. There’s no way to get from Oregon to Washington without those interstates. So how can OREGON charge citizens to drive on the Interstate?!!!! They already pay super high taxes that are supposed to pay for the damned roads! I am furious over it and I don’t even live there anymore.
When I asked Oregonians at Christmas when I was there visiting -not one had an answer of how they are getting away with this. The citizens are dumbfounded and have been castrated by the criminal cabal running Oregon. They are impotent to help at this point. I really hope Trump or his team or even Scott Pressler can go to the left coast and free the people in bondage over there. They NEED help over there!! The gangster mob has total control over their govt, their elections and their way of life. My friends and family are being strangled. This has to stop.
What they are doing is definitely illegal. Interstate highways are the purview of the federal government
hmmm. I dunno'.
In both Chicago and Minneapolis there are toll roads galore on interstates.
MPLS is not like Chicago's though-- it is only for high congestion times and restricts the far left lane only. No cameras that I know of, so pretty passive.
Miami, FL had tons of tolls on interstates
What about the lanes in areas like Salt Lake City that have similar charges. Or the HOV lanes?
We have HOV lanes in Houston but, as far as I know, none of them are tolled. You just get a ticket if you’re caught on them with too few people in the car. We definitely have toll roads, but not on interstates.
HOV lanes
Oh yeah, that's what Minnesota has, not toll roads. . . just tag you if caught.
Portions of I-70 heading west from Kansas City are toll roads. The tolls are collected by the State of Kansas. You make a good point, how does a Federally funded highway generate tolls for the State? Is the money divided up between the Feds and Kansas? I have no idea how this works; does anyone here know?
Do you remember when they told us we'd only pay for the I-70 turnpike toll roads coming out of KC for 10 years?
Thats why people should never vote for new taxes that have an alleged sunset. Because when you vote for it, it always becomes permanent.
Coronado Bay Bridge in San Diego is a prime example. Took lawsuits to make the tolls finally end after the bridge was paid off.
Yup. I'm from San Diego, but spent 3 years in KC during grade school.
True - the senate voted the 1913 Revenue Act ( income tax) into law. All the Dems , except 1 voting for if, & all but 1 R voting against. Was supposed to be temporary.
Same story with all the bridges in San Francisco Bay Area and tolls just keep going up!
Really?
I did NOT know that!
Dems for taxes, Repubs against-- even a 100 yrs ago.
It’s in their dna!
for about 25% of the population, I believe this is indubiably correct!
Same thing in the peoples republic of Illinois.
Supposed to end when tollways were paid off.
The Dan Ryan etc.
I thought that was the case, seem to remember an outcry about that - I live in MO but halfway follow KS issues. I will say that a low population state like KS it makes more sense to tax the drivers who use that road vs piling on taxes for the people who live there and in some cases never even drive on it. But that assumes KDOT uses the money wisely?? I will say we took the 1-70 toll roads to CO for an annual ski vacation for 20+ years and the roads are in good shape unlike the pothole-ridden always under construction roads in states like IL.
MO floated a toll for adding a lane to I-70 across the state about 7-8 years ago and that went over like a lead balloon. But we got a pile of covid money and that is now what is funding the expansion, so no toll roads in MO.
Well, it's not just generating revenue for the sake of revenue, and incidentally ... road repair. It's about people control, and the fake agendas like climate and carbon which are also about control of every aspect of human action.
So ... DOGE revelations, USAID for example and much more. There's plenty of money for road, vital infrastructure IF IT WERE GRIFTED, outright stolen away.
And so, 'they' are outright playing us left and right. And I hope it ends now.
Shit I had no idea you were a Kansas (or maybe MO?) resident too! No wonder we get along so famously. (or at least agree with one another a lot). My county did get rid of our section of the I-70 toll--it now doesn't start until I think Douglas County whereas it used to start in Leavenworth.
I'm keeping a stank eye on whatever they think they are going to shove down our throats about the "Chiefs" and us poor citizens having to pay for any of it---which I want ZERO part of.
Yup. I'm from San Diego, but spent 3 years in KC during grade school.
And i went to grad school at Mizzou
That's funny. My cousin (one of hundreds but this one and I grew up together pretty much so like a brother) is now in San Diego where he ended up after the Navy. Small world.
Well Howdy Ryan! I’m from Highland in the Inland Empire and have spent lots of time in SD … love it! My granddaughter is graduating from UCSD this June. 😄
My wife graduated from UCSD!
She grew up in Murietta. I grew up in point Loma
What a small world.
STAR bonds.....for a stadium they will play a dozen games a year in a good year and maybe a few concerts. Done with this welfare scheme - Royals and Chiefs can move for all I care! Get woke, go broke.
A good reminder! The sun never sets on the grifter empire.
Sunset, temporary, stop, end and the like are not words in the govt vocabulary - I suspect they are in the Govt Book of Lies tho 😆
Pretty much! Same in CA
Nope. Must have been before my time. Didn't have to use I-70 until 2008 when I started a new job in Topeka and commuted.
They did move the toll location start point from Leavenworth County to Douglas at least 15 maybe 20 years ago (time flies) as I think Leavenworth opted out of continuing the toll here. I don't remember the particulars of it but I can guarantee it cost them a pretty penny to move it.
It was in late 70's
That is so true!
Do you think the toll roads(control roads) are part of the conditioning for restricting travel or 15 minute cities?
I know Michigan/Indiana has them also BUT you can take back roads without tolls as well. I wonder if as long as there is an alternate route they can get away with it??? Oregon Washington -nope! The only alternative that MIGHT work would take a commuter hours out of the way. I can’t see how this is legal. But without anyone to stop them…..
Oregon and Washington are really crazy states. I recall when moving to Idaho, I had been in Oregon but not driven. So I didn't know you aren't allowed to pump your own gas! That was odd. And then their taxes are super high. No bueno.
@Mary Rose- after driving cross country in 2009 from NY to Oregon, we needed gas. Husband got out and grabbed the pump handle and the attendant came running out and yelling at him. We had no idea we weren't allowed to pump our own!! Flip that to my Oregon sister renting a car and visiting NY- she pulled up to the pump and sat there until someone honked for her to get out and do it herself. Good thing she can laugh at herself!
That's kind of what happened to me, only the attendant was much nicer, probably saw my California license plates.
Mary Rose, I grew up in WA and had a lot of relatives living in the Portland, OR area. For a long time, the best of both tax worlds was to live in Vancouver, WA with no income tax and shop across the river (Columbia) in OR which has no sales tax. We would take advantage of the "no sales tax" when we would visit the grandparents. I bought a lot of horse tack at the tack store near my grandparents' house as I didn't have to pay any sales tax!
I did have issues at the gas stations, as I would forget that I could not pump my own gas. They did pass a law a few years ago allowing folks to pump their own gas. If you do let them pump your gas, they now expect you to tip the gas attendants. Ai, yai, yai!
Mrs. "the Knife"
Indiana has toll roads Michigan does not. Governor wants to to switch to Toll Roads. Hope not!
Only I-80/90 at this point. Although some people are calling for more.
Yes. Sorry. I said Michigan because we drove from Michigan to Chicago a lot. So, ya. Misspoke that Michigan has toll roads. Oops 😬
Thanks for clarifying.
Another Kansas C&Cer here! live on the SW corner of KC, in Olathe (an ancient Indian word meaning "duplex," or "car dealership").
I grew up in South KCMO, but moved to the Free State nearly 40yrs ago. So, Missourian by birth; Kansan by choice.
Travel on the Kansas turnpike frequently, and well, I don't know the particulars of how it works, I suspect it has something to do with maintenance agreements between the state and the federal government that allow Kansas to take tolls. Tolls. I will say this, the Kansas turnpike between here and the Western boundary of the state is, while somewhat monotonous, very well maintained. If they are grifting off it, they're still spending a fair chunk of change on keeping it nice.
I am on the MO side in Lee's Summit, sorry your county is turning blue just like mine has been forever. All those KC refugees coming over to escape the mess they made there.
Same here in Cali on big interstate roads 🤔
This is TRUE. This has been my experience living in Oregon for 11 yrs. The are no "we the people" anymore.
Fellow Oregonian strangulee here. Please, yes, come save us from the coordinated, whole-of-government tyranny in which we are imprisoned. Getting rid of NPR would be GREATLY helpful as a first order of action!
Better have blankies, coloring books and lattes ready. The brainwashed masses will melt down.
Yes we do!
Just like our kicker… you’ll get it next year, uh, it’s been ‘next year’ for 3-4 years now I think.
In Canada there was a toll highway from the from Kamloops in the interior BC to Vancouver. It was $8 each am as a toll BUT it cut the trip down from 8 hours to 4 hours. The toll was only supposed o be for a few years but it ended up being about 5x longer than that. From the 80s to the 2000s. I grew up in BC and I remember then Coquihalla as a toll highway but I was already living in the USA ( moved here in 2001). It was still a toll in 2007.
I am not 100% certain, but I worked for DOT and closely with the Turnpike (Toll Road Operation) and from what I gathered is the Turpike owners buy portions of the roads that they then must maintain without Federal dollars and they charge what what they want for driving on it!
There are other roads that connect OR and WA. US 101 and several bridges over the Columbia River along the Gorge. Wonder if they'll try to put tolls on those. The bridge between Hood River and White Salmon has always been a toll bridge.
Like I said….adding hours to a trip just to get to or from Vancouver 🙄. Stupidest thing I’ve heard of doing since they came out with the words global warming 🙄
However. Their goal is to keep us in our 15 min city 😡 so they are trying to make it so we can’t travel freely. How? By charging us to get outside of our area! People stop traveling if they have to pay even more money to these asshats. Pretty soon they’ll choke off the still “free” roads and voila! Can’t leave your “city” without paying. Agenda accomplished! We have a long way to go to rid ourselves of these cockroaches.
Sunnydaze, well, I suppose one could drive to Astoria and cross over to Washington there, but that is a bit of a drive to avoid the tolls. We would have to do it in reverse to visit family we have that still live in Oregon.
When I was a kid, there was a toll on the I-90 floating bridge to Seattle to pay for the bridge. I think the toll booths were down by the time I was in Junior High, but that was so long ago, I don't remember exactly. 😂
Now we have tolls on the Narrows bridge, so we can go visit family in Port Orchard, but we can't get back without either paying the toll ($6) or taking the ferry back. I don't know if those tolls will ever sunset. And, they have tolled the HOV lanes on I-405 and Hwy. 167. If you don't have the state's Good to Go Pass, they charge you extra for using the HOV lanes, even if you are a carpool, 'cause the govt has to know where you are going and when and who is in the car, as they snap your picture as you drive under the gantry (and probably how fast, too!)
Mrs. "the Knife"
Ugh. Yup. That’s the route I was thinking. Clear up to Astoria! That’s a LONG commute for someone just trying to get to or from Vancouver 🙄. I’m a little shocked there isn’t more of an uproar. But it’s hard to get citizens to roar even a little after they’ve been beaten down year after year. Pretty soon they just keep quiet. 😞
My father (a lawyer) said “interstate commerce” is a hard one to beat in any case. I would think this directly applies here.
Well I am in MO, but live close to the state line of KS, so I pay a little bit of attention to KS and certainly drive on the roads there. Interstate 70 has a section of toll road in KS, as does I-35 - It is administered through KDOT. So it must be legal??