They know not what they do. At this point, it’s the only thing that explains it. Why else would this anarchy be allowed? Can they not see themselves or their children in the place of those he was trying to protect?
A certain minority group cannot bring themselves to vote differently. The idea that the republican party is for and about rich white persons has been firmly ingrained. There are other reasons they vote that way too.
However NYC is made up of 5 boroughs of ethnic and religious diversity, so I dont get it. Anyway, this Mayor was formerly NYPD..he isnt the reason, the Soros appointed DA is.
It's painfully obvious that whatever the Democrats say they are "for", it's just the opposite. They're not only NOT for the "little guy", they are actively trying to crush him out of existence. Too bad the average Democrat voter can't see this.
Exactly. Watch what they DO and not what they say. All of the people who vote Democrat seem to just listen to what they say and not observe their actions.
The Dems used to accuse the "rich Republicans" of doing the exact things the Democrats are doing right now. Now it's the rich Democrats who are the major spenders and war mongers. Unfortunately, many Republicans are participating in the same activities, though. Uniparty in some cases.
Yes for many of them it goes way back sociologically for why they do it. I remember this being discussed in a PBS series on the history of different ethnic groups in America. Many people cannot break from the past and see that todays oppressed are not the deviants, but the rest of us!
Orthodox Jews have always leaned conservative. It's the rest of the Jewish community that can't seem to stop voting as a bloc against their own interests.
Ditto for the Greeks!!! Some have a mind of their own and weigh the issues and vote with their brain. The majority though having gorged on the leftist coolaid still votes with Democrats. Go figure
According to a special on PBS, they vote that way because this is the party which traditionally stood up for the underdog and oppressed, of which they related to. Also that is why they tend to tolerate or embrace liberal ideas and causes. However, it is odd, as the idea of liberal causes has taken a culturally, anti family and God sick turn, and liberal Jews tend to still still be family oriented.
Angela, your first statement is essentially wrong and clueless on a few counts. If I were a member of “a certain minority group” and, like a great many in “certain minority groups”, do vote differently than your assumptions of me, I might take issue with these.
Please dont go all touchy and PC on me. 🙄That is what is wrong with this country today! I am part of an ethnic group and I am a New Yorker through and through, with a handle on the mosaic of my 'homeland' , having grown up and schooled and worked with every group of the great mosaic! Also as the geandaughter of immigrants I don’t get touchy when I hear generalizations about the sociological factors behind my etnic group or any other group. I find sociology intellectually fascinating. PBS did an entire series on each group and the historic whys of how they tend to vote became so much clearer.
Angela, thanks for the correction from your perspective. I'm not in NY and I believe your experience. What I’m seeing where I sit though, is that there’s a huge awakening amongst many minorities.
But my response was not touchy nor PC, in the least; it was based on what I see. I do resist the constant psycho-social push to get us to think in terms of groups and alignments and to see others as individuals; not categorizing people nor belittling them. This is what the manipulators do — and they’ve largely succeeded. We won’t disable that trap until we free ourselves from it, too. That takes grace and effort. Ragging about “them” — the brainwashed — may vent frustration, ally us with other like thinking folks and feel good, but it accomplishes nothing of value, sets our own blinders more firmly in place, and puts us handily in the same trap we’re decrying. Sociology, btw, is the most untrustworthy, inexact, manipulative quasi- science limited hangout on the planet, next to psychology (and modern medicine) — PBS is right up there, too. Not a great rock to build your world view on.
Here's the thing..growing up in NYC we were groups! Catholics, Jews, Irish, Greeks, hispanics, blacks, Italian, Lebanese, etc. Our neighborhoods were built on groups. Yet, we all got along outside of the groups, and got to understand each others group and mentality and culture. Cultural and religious backgrounds are what largely determine peoples views on many things including politics...though I believe in todays American culture wars this may all be getting a bit more fuzzy.
You are right. Many minority individuals are stepping away from the generalizations of yesterday, because todays politics are totally different in so many way
😉 Peace. ✌️
PS: I don't go on about the 'brainwashed'. I try to understand where many people are coming from. I also try not to condemn or criticize. I think we agree ! 👍
Thanks! & Peace to you as well, Angela. God Bless.
PS. My mother was an immigrant, too (Norsk farmer/fisher people who settled in SE Alaska) But I love the thought of you growing up with such vibrant, rich & varied heritages and families all around you. Here in the Northwest, it’s mostly admiring imitation & approximation. We do have a smattering of authentic old world migrants here — mainly in the way of truly ethnic family restaurants, Chinatown, fourth-generation Norwegian fishermen in Seattle, Catholic & Orthodox parishes & some & pockets here & there, & fantastic mexican & asian places. But, nothing is like the rich (true) diversity you’ve experienced. Makes me smile thinking about it & I hope you keep fighting to protect your beloved city. MNYGA!
I had made a comment the other day about having Covid a year ago and was attacked by someone who asked me why I thought I had Covid when it didn't exist. I was a zombie and "brainwashed" into believing what they are telling me to believe. I commented that I wasn't going to get into a back and forth whether it's Covid, bioweapon, whatever. I was sick. I told him to take his crap elsewhere. Came back at me full force and accused me of getting angry and I should have worded my Covid explanation differently. Anyway, long story but I deleted the whole thread as he would not stop. My point is my comment meant no harm and wasn't directed at anyone but this person took it upon himself to attack. This thread has been civil but I'm getting to the point of not commenting anymore as there are too many people who love to try to get people to react. That's what I told him and then shut him down. I'm not sure why he took it so personally but it seems it's happening more and more..
Yes...I think I, for one, way over-reacted. For some reason, many of the the comments this morning seemed just randomly grumpy and kind of thoughtless. (Amidst the joyfully generous ones!). I think when I got to about this point in the comms, I was ready to spring. In re-reading the posts above, I realized that I had taken them in the worst possible way — I’m grateful for Angela’s grace in engaging and wow, what an interesting person. From now on, I’ll stick to the kind of encouragement that I’ve come to like so much here and ehjoy writing — we need to stay positive & lift each other up. I had been affected by that negativity & then stupidly wrote. It’s contagious! But, so is encouragement. And we need that in spades right now.
Keep in the conversation, Tracy! You never know how your voice will touch someone.
God, Bless us all and strengthen us in grace, hope and a good sense of humor. (Mine has been lagging lately & a good bit of humor is balm ;))
See. Now this is the way to communicate. I once made a comment that the person took as being arrogant and insulting. I meant it in no such way but apologized and said I was sorry she took it that way. Her response was that she can sometimes be a bit too sensitive and she apologized back.
I also meant in no way to attack your comments. Your language was respectful and I appreciate that. I also know there are people out there that live to cause havoc and love to ramp people up. I just cancel them and it's over.
Have a great weekend and I'll keep posting and being positive.
Can you relate how things are these days in NY? My heart continually turns to the people in NY especially, when I think of the dire predictions re food shortages & supply chains failing. And we constantly hear about crime & city/state mal-management. Where I am, we can be pretty self-sustaining — lots of space & rural farmland. Fairly mild winters, too...
What’s really happening & do you & your community have a plan? Especially re food?
Don't confuse criminality with anarchy. Anarchy simply means "absence of government" not "rioting in the streets". As such, it's actually very close to the philosophy behind the 10th Amendment.
However, anarchy has become synonymous with criminality and rioting in the streets because government is the only entity to enforce law and order (in a perfect world). It’s way past time for states to step up and do what our UNconstitutional government refuses to do. The situation at our southern border is a prime example of that. I voted for Abbott, but he is weak on this issue. Texas is powerful enough to have stopped this mess or at least curtailed it to a large degree, if the will to do so had existed.
The 10th Amendment is well and good, IF any state would invoke it. Do you see that happening?
No anarchy. Chaos, yes, but no anarchy. The country and its states, cities, and towns have plenty of 𝒓𝒖𝒍𝒆𝒓𝒔. They just happen to be in large part the scum of the earth, which is generally -- with rare, rare exception -- what power attracts.
They have no children and they despise their parents. The older i get the more righteous i see Gods sWord in commanding that we stone defiant 'of age' children and have social gender norms and death penalty and timely trials.
The real problem in NYC is APATHY. Not enough people are voting AT ALL. The uniparty is a given, opposition is considered futile. I don’t have the specific numbers (look it up), but in a city of 8M people, DeBlasio, who literally destroyed the city during his tenure, was elected *and* re-elected with something like @ 700,000 votes. It’s disgusting. I grew up in Queens but live in the northern suburbs now.
What most people fail to realize is that the change that impacts individuals the most is fought for and executed at the LOCAL level, not in DC.
A story: Vickie Paladino (R) is a fearless NYC council woman representing my old hometown in comparatively upscale northern Queens, fighting every woke policy you can think of - despite being in the council minority. She also refused to share her vax status during mandates. I know her personally (she’s my best friend’s older sister) and contributed to her campaign. She’s been called a female Trump. Seriously, no filter. 😂 She says a number of the Dems on the council agree with her stances and applaud her outspokenness privately, but they still tow the party line on council votes. The hypocrisy is despicable.
Here’s an example of the apathy I claim and why NYC will continue to decline. One of my friends still lives in the district and I have introduced her to Vickie. When Vickie won her hard-fought election, my friend was happy about it, but genuinely asked me how I thought it would benefit her personally. I asked, “did you vote for her?” She sheepishly said she didn’t vote at all. When I told her that local elections were important and where change actually happens, she asked if I voted (which of course I did). I obviously hit a nerve because she took it as a criticism and literally jumped down my throat.
Long rambling story (sorry), but what’s the bottom line? The moral of the story?
You may get what you vote for, but you also get what you DON’T vote for. Especially locally.
"How"? Maybe you should ask, "WHY". And direct that question, first, to Mister Patriot, Sean Hannity, who bemoans the "fact" that he just cannot bring himself to move out of the NYC metro. Tucker broadcast from Maine ... Rush broadcast from Florida ... Breitbart News streams from wherever the on-air anchor is at the moment. Heck, I can build a "studio" in my office for the cost of a decent mic and some acoustic baffle panels. But Li'l Sean? Naaahhhh.
When you have the kind of money he does, it can be Paradise. He is a New Yorker in his soul ( not to mention his worst of the worse voice and accent).
I was born and raised in Brooklyn. I lived in a northern suburb of the city for 30 years until 10 years ago.
New York, especially from back in the day never leaves your soul. You meet another New Yorker from your era and you understand and connect to each other despite different ethnic or religious background, despite different educational level. Nothing can describe it, so I don't expect others to understand.
I think if I had Hannitys money, I would still be there, atleast for half the year.
Maybe you can explain to me why the Orthodox Jews in NY who seem to have many conservative values always vote for the democrats. They are so numerous they could swing many an election but it never happens. And even when they are victimized by the criminals!
Trust me, I see the writing on the wall and I’d already be out of NY state, but my 93 yr old mom won’t budge - not even to escape the winters. She’s my #1 priority, so here I stay. I understand not wanting to move at that age.
They have zero understanding of cause and effect. According to them, the policies are completely unrelated to the issues coming up 🙄 I actually heard a leftist say this and I was speechless.
NY city residents - 🤪 large percentage voted for this crap.
They know not what they do. At this point, it’s the only thing that explains it. Why else would this anarchy be allowed? Can they not see themselves or their children in the place of those he was trying to protect?
A certain minority group cannot bring themselves to vote differently. The idea that the republican party is for and about rich white persons has been firmly ingrained. There are other reasons they vote that way too.
However NYC is made up of 5 boroughs of ethnic and religious diversity, so I dont get it. Anyway, this Mayor was formerly NYPD..he isnt the reason, the Soros appointed DA is.
What’s hilarious to me is that a huge number of well off and rich white people seem to vote democrat not republican.
It was hilarious, but the rich have been teamed up with the Dems for years.
Yeah it’s been that way for quite some time which is why I always laugh when people talk about the Democrats being for the “little guy.”
It's painfully obvious that whatever the Democrats say they are "for", it's just the opposite. They're not only NOT for the "little guy", they are actively trying to crush him out of existence. Too bad the average Democrat voter can't see this.
Exactly. Watch what they DO and not what they say. All of the people who vote Democrat seem to just listen to what they say and not observe their actions.
The Dems used to accuse the "rich Republicans" of doing the exact things the Democrats are doing right now. Now it's the rich Democrats who are the major spenders and war mongers. Unfortunately, many Republicans are participating in the same activities, though. Uniparty in some cases.
Yes for many of them it goes way back sociologically for why they do it. I remember this being discussed in a PBS series on the history of different ethnic groups in America. Many people cannot break from the past and see that todays oppressed are not the deviants, but the rest of us!
Maybe some have woken up!
https://www.ny1.com/nyc/brooklyn/politics/2022/11/11/orthodox-community-shows-its-strength-by-toppling-democrats
Orthodox Jews have always leaned conservative. It's the rest of the Jewish community that can't seem to stop voting as a bloc against their own interests.
Ditto for the Greeks!!! Some have a mind of their own and weigh the issues and vote with their brain. The majority though having gorged on the leftist coolaid still votes with Democrats. Go figure
I’m amazed to learn many Jewish people, who are generally great business-minded people, vote Democrat; can’t imagine why!
According to a special on PBS, they vote that way because this is the party which traditionally stood up for the underdog and oppressed, of which they related to. Also that is why they tend to tolerate or embrace liberal ideas and causes. However, it is odd, as the idea of liberal causes has taken a culturally, anti family and God sick turn, and liberal Jews tend to still still be family oriented.
Angela, your first statement is essentially wrong and clueless on a few counts. If I were a member of “a certain minority group” and, like a great many in “certain minority groups”, do vote differently than your assumptions of me, I might take issue with these.
Please dont go all touchy and PC on me. 🙄That is what is wrong with this country today! I am part of an ethnic group and I am a New Yorker through and through, with a handle on the mosaic of my 'homeland' , having grown up and schooled and worked with every group of the great mosaic! Also as the geandaughter of immigrants I don’t get touchy when I hear generalizations about the sociological factors behind my etnic group or any other group. I find sociology intellectually fascinating. PBS did an entire series on each group and the historic whys of how they tend to vote became so much clearer.
Angela, thanks for the correction from your perspective. I'm not in NY and I believe your experience. What I’m seeing where I sit though, is that there’s a huge awakening amongst many minorities.
But my response was not touchy nor PC, in the least; it was based on what I see. I do resist the constant psycho-social push to get us to think in terms of groups and alignments and to see others as individuals; not categorizing people nor belittling them. This is what the manipulators do — and they’ve largely succeeded. We won’t disable that trap until we free ourselves from it, too. That takes grace and effort. Ragging about “them” — the brainwashed — may vent frustration, ally us with other like thinking folks and feel good, but it accomplishes nothing of value, sets our own blinders more firmly in place, and puts us handily in the same trap we’re decrying. Sociology, btw, is the most untrustworthy, inexact, manipulative quasi- science limited hangout on the planet, next to psychology (and modern medicine) — PBS is right up there, too. Not a great rock to build your world view on.
Here's the thing..growing up in NYC we were groups! Catholics, Jews, Irish, Greeks, hispanics, blacks, Italian, Lebanese, etc. Our neighborhoods were built on groups. Yet, we all got along outside of the groups, and got to understand each others group and mentality and culture. Cultural and religious backgrounds are what largely determine peoples views on many things including politics...though I believe in todays American culture wars this may all be getting a bit more fuzzy.
You are right. Many minority individuals are stepping away from the generalizations of yesterday, because todays politics are totally different in so many way
😉 Peace. ✌️
PS: I don't go on about the 'brainwashed'. I try to understand where many people are coming from. I also try not to condemn or criticize. I think we agree ! 👍
Thanks! & Peace to you as well, Angela. God Bless.
PS. My mother was an immigrant, too (Norsk farmer/fisher people who settled in SE Alaska) But I love the thought of you growing up with such vibrant, rich & varied heritages and families all around you. Here in the Northwest, it’s mostly admiring imitation & approximation. We do have a smattering of authentic old world migrants here — mainly in the way of truly ethnic family restaurants, Chinatown, fourth-generation Norwegian fishermen in Seattle, Catholic & Orthodox parishes & some & pockets here & there, & fantastic mexican & asian places. But, nothing is like the rich (true) diversity you’ve experienced. Makes me smile thinking about it & I hope you keep fighting to protect your beloved city. MNYGA!
I had made a comment the other day about having Covid a year ago and was attacked by someone who asked me why I thought I had Covid when it didn't exist. I was a zombie and "brainwashed" into believing what they are telling me to believe. I commented that I wasn't going to get into a back and forth whether it's Covid, bioweapon, whatever. I was sick. I told him to take his crap elsewhere. Came back at me full force and accused me of getting angry and I should have worded my Covid explanation differently. Anyway, long story but I deleted the whole thread as he would not stop. My point is my comment meant no harm and wasn't directed at anyone but this person took it upon himself to attack. This thread has been civil but I'm getting to the point of not commenting anymore as there are too many people who love to try to get people to react. That's what I told him and then shut him down. I'm not sure why he took it so personally but it seems it's happening more and more..
Yes...I think I, for one, way over-reacted. For some reason, many of the the comments this morning seemed just randomly grumpy and kind of thoughtless. (Amidst the joyfully generous ones!). I think when I got to about this point in the comms, I was ready to spring. In re-reading the posts above, I realized that I had taken them in the worst possible way — I’m grateful for Angela’s grace in engaging and wow, what an interesting person. From now on, I’ll stick to the kind of encouragement that I’ve come to like so much here and ehjoy writing — we need to stay positive & lift each other up. I had been affected by that negativity & then stupidly wrote. It’s contagious! But, so is encouragement. And we need that in spades right now.
Keep in the conversation, Tracy! You never know how your voice will touch someone.
God, Bless us all and strengthen us in grace, hope and a good sense of humor. (Mine has been lagging lately & a good bit of humor is balm ;))
See. Now this is the way to communicate. I once made a comment that the person took as being arrogant and insulting. I meant it in no such way but apologized and said I was sorry she took it that way. Her response was that she can sometimes be a bit too sensitive and she apologized back.
I also meant in no way to attack your comments. Your language was respectful and I appreciate that. I also know there are people out there that live to cause havoc and love to ramp people up. I just cancel them and it's over.
Have a great weekend and I'll keep posting and being positive.
Angela, just thinking...
Can you relate how things are these days in NY? My heart continually turns to the people in NY especially, when I think of the dire predictions re food shortages & supply chains failing. And we constantly hear about crime & city/state mal-management. Where I am, we can be pretty self-sustaining — lots of space & rural farmland. Fairly mild winters, too...
What’s really happening & do you & your community have a plan? Especially re food?
Thanks. Praying for New Yorkers.
For 9 years now I have lived in Florida, so I really cannot say.
Ah! Pretty good place to be, I think :)). Glad to hear it..
Don't confuse criminality with anarchy. Anarchy simply means "absence of government" not "rioting in the streets". As such, it's actually very close to the philosophy behind the 10th Amendment.
However, anarchy has become synonymous with criminality and rioting in the streets because government is the only entity to enforce law and order (in a perfect world). It’s way past time for states to step up and do what our UNconstitutional government refuses to do. The situation at our southern border is a prime example of that. I voted for Abbott, but he is weak on this issue. Texas is powerful enough to have stopped this mess or at least curtailed it to a large degree, if the will to do so had existed.
The 10th Amendment is well and good, IF any state would invoke it. Do you see that happening?
Never discount the role of controlled elections either.
They, the voters, want it this way. This is what dumbocraps believe in.
No anarchy. Chaos, yes, but no anarchy. The country and its states, cities, and towns have plenty of 𝒓𝒖𝒍𝒆𝒓𝒔. They just happen to be in large part the scum of the earth, which is generally -- with rare, rare exception -- what power attracts.
They have no children and they despise their parents. The older i get the more righteous i see Gods sWord in commanding that we stone defiant 'of age' children and have social gender norms and death penalty and timely trials.
The real problem in NYC is APATHY. Not enough people are voting AT ALL. The uniparty is a given, opposition is considered futile. I don’t have the specific numbers (look it up), but in a city of 8M people, DeBlasio, who literally destroyed the city during his tenure, was elected *and* re-elected with something like @ 700,000 votes. It’s disgusting. I grew up in Queens but live in the northern suburbs now.
What most people fail to realize is that the change that impacts individuals the most is fought for and executed at the LOCAL level, not in DC.
A story: Vickie Paladino (R) is a fearless NYC council woman representing my old hometown in comparatively upscale northern Queens, fighting every woke policy you can think of - despite being in the council minority. She also refused to share her vax status during mandates. I know her personally (she’s my best friend’s older sister) and contributed to her campaign. She’s been called a female Trump. Seriously, no filter. 😂 She says a number of the Dems on the council agree with her stances and applaud her outspokenness privately, but they still tow the party line on council votes. The hypocrisy is despicable.
Here’s an example of the apathy I claim and why NYC will continue to decline. One of my friends still lives in the district and I have introduced her to Vickie. When Vickie won her hard-fought election, my friend was happy about it, but genuinely asked me how I thought it would benefit her personally. I asked, “did you vote for her?” She sheepishly said she didn’t vote at all. When I told her that local elections were important and where change actually happens, she asked if I voted (which of course I did). I obviously hit a nerve because she took it as a criticism and literally jumped down my throat.
Long rambling story (sorry), but what’s the bottom line? The moral of the story?
You may get what you vote for, but you also get what you DON’T vote for. Especially locally.
You could say the same about Chicago but we have decades-old, pervasive corruption to feed the apathy.
Good percentage of people are useless.
It’s downright infuriating, I think.
How anyone continues to live in that city is beyond me.
"How"? Maybe you should ask, "WHY". And direct that question, first, to Mister Patriot, Sean Hannity, who bemoans the "fact" that he just cannot bring himself to move out of the NYC metro. Tucker broadcast from Maine ... Rush broadcast from Florida ... Breitbart News streams from wherever the on-air anchor is at the moment. Heck, I can build a "studio" in my office for the cost of a decent mic and some acoustic baffle panels. But Li'l Sean? Naaahhhh.
When you have the kind of money he does, it can be Paradise. He is a New Yorker in his soul ( not to mention his worst of the worse voice and accent).
I was born and raised in Brooklyn. I lived in a northern suburb of the city for 30 years until 10 years ago.
New York, especially from back in the day never leaves your soul. You meet another New Yorker from your era and you understand and connect to each other despite different ethnic or religious background, despite different educational level. Nothing can describe it, so I don't expect others to understand.
I think if I had Hannitys money, I would still be there, atleast for half the year.
What you express is nothing remarkable to NYC. Natives of Seattle, Pittsburgh, and li'l ole Podunk usually feel the same about their home towns.
Maybe you can explain to me why the Orthodox Jews in NY who seem to have many conservative values always vote for the democrats. They are so numerous they could swing many an election but it never happens. And even when they are victimized by the criminals!
Don't 'Orthodox Jews' follow the Talmud? Maybe the answer can be found there?
It is changing:
https://www.ny1.com/nyc/brooklyn/politics/2022/11/11/orthodox-community-shows-its-strength-by-toppling-democrats
Trust me, I see the writing on the wall and I’d already be out of NY state, but my 93 yr old mom won’t budge - not even to escape the winters. She’s my #1 priority, so here I stay. I understand not wanting to move at that age.
It is beautiful and very expensive. The rich dont ride the subways.
In the boroughs, people have roots.
And ironically the mayor cannot handle the illegals..
What are these people thinking? They can't be.
Lefties = non critical thinkers
They have zero understanding of cause and effect. According to them, the policies are completely unrelated to the issues coming up 🙄 I actually heard a leftist say this and I was speechless.
if you believe in the integrity of the vote