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Patti F's avatar

I haven't even finished reading but I had to comment. When my son was 10 (!!), his doctor really really pushed for the HPV vaccine (he's 16 now). She told me that doctors are seeing a rise in mouth cancers among middle aged men due to oral sex and that the HPV vaccine can eliminate that (ha!). He was TEN! I refused and my son still does not have that vaccine (nor will he ever). I was flabbergasted that she even went down that road. She was pissed that I refused it because the vaccine had already been prepped for him and she would have to toss it. Sorry honey - that's not my problem. Don't assume everyone that walks in your office will just do as you command.

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Janet's avatar

I believe that was what harmed my granddaughter. Resulted in PANS—a brain injury. Led to OCD, anxiety, mild autism at 11 yo and eventually gender transition—often a result. I cannot talk about this at all to my daughter.

That jab is evil. There are lawsuits galore now but still pushing them. On adults now too.

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NAB's avatar

I am so sorry, Janet.

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Susanna Bythesea's avatar

So sorry for this sad situation Janet. I pray for healing - physical and spiritual - for the many people who have been injured by Pharma and its faithful adherents.

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Kathleen Janoski's avatar

I remember Judicial Watch warning about the HPV vaccine back in 2007.

Here is a link to the story:

https://www.judicialwatch.org/judicial-watch-uncovers-three-deaths-relating-hpv-vaccine/

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Patti F's avatar

Thanks. I'll check this out. I don't recall reading this back then.

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Peter Schott's avatar

They were pushing that for kids with my oldest as well. Perry in TX was pushing _really_ hard for it. My wife did a little research and just said "nope", but of course they have to keep asking. Looking at the results from those shots, it's a particularly good one to skip.

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Patti F's avatar

I did a little research too and came to the same conclusion as your wife. Of course the pediatrician gave me a little pamphlet to read, printed by the pharmaceutical company, touting how wonderful and safe this vaccine was. Riiiigghhhttt... Yeah, no thanks. I'll read non-biased information on it.

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Janet's avatar

The placebos for newer versions HPV are the old versions. This is common for most vaccine trials. No saline. Placebos loaded with adjuvants to hide damages.

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Tonya's avatar

Yep. Compared to a harmful shot, this one is not significantly more harmful.

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Janet's avatar

Not understanding. The HPV not harmful? Even the placebos can show harm.

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Tonya's avatar

I am saying this from the Big Pharma researcher's perspective. When they compare two dangerous shots that are approximately equally dangerous, they can say the new one is safe, because it doesn't have any more adverse effects than the old one, which the FDA already declared to be safe enough to approve.

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L  Young's avatar

What we need is a government program or an agency that would research needless harmful products and stop them from being pushed onto an unsuspecting public and now that I’m thinking about it why not toss in some magic enchanted fairies riding unicorns……?

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LamedVav disavows all vaxes.'s avatar

I’m afraid of government programs, I think we have too many of them, none of them are ever any good. The last government programs, the better. We need to do things for ourselves, be your own doctor.

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Carolyn's avatar

Like the FDA and USDA

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L  Young's avatar

Yes exactly like them, except instead of protecting big businesses they would protect people.

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Dr Linda's avatar

Congratulations! You did an amazing job.

I had 6 pedestrians for my Son. I made 5 of them angry with me.

I think there is talk about HPV shot being pulled

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Double Mc's avatar

Humorous typo.

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Susanna Bythesea's avatar

I thought that was a perfect typo too 😂

Pedantic pedestrian pediatricians.

We’ve found a wonderful one who respects our choices but she still doesn’t see a problem with vaxs in general. She’s a sharp lady though, I think she’ll get there.

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Skeptical Actuary's avatar

The best thing to do is not use a pediatrician, use a doctor in family practice. They don't have the insane bonuses for getting some arbitrary percentage of their patients vaxxed "on time".

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LamedVav disavows all vaxes.'s avatar

Yes, never take any child to a pediatrician, ever!

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CuiBono?'s avatar

Yes!!

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NAB's avatar

That would be incredible!

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L  Young's avatar

Great typo!

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L  Young's avatar

5 Walkers?

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Maggie Think of Me's avatar

Our youngest daughter's pediatrician pushed it HARD! I repeatedly said no, and told our daughter to make sure they didn't trick her into it when they started separating us at appointments. Her other doctors pushed just as hard! But we stayed firm. I thank God for such solid discernment! She has friends who took it whose babies/children have all kinds of issues. While I don't know that it can be linked, nothing would surprise me!

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Jeff C's avatar

To all - do not let anyone separate you from your kids during any appointment!! They have no legal right to require it and you can simply say, "no thanks, I'll be staying". If they press then tell them it's not negotiable and you won't discuss it further.

You are responsible for your minor children's well-being, not the doctor (or anyone else for that matter). There is no valid reason for an adult to separate a child from their parent short of legitimate proof of abuse (and only then with a court order). The only other reason to do so, is to undermine a parent's authority. Period. If a doctor even requests it then it should make you extremely suspicious.

Don't let doctors, nurses, social workers, police, school workers, clergy, or anyone else do it. If it cannot be said with you in the room then it's a huge red flag.

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Tom's avatar

Also, follow up on the doctor's notes after the visit where you refused to be separated.

I think it's SecondSmartestGuy who has a tale on his substack of the doctor putting comments regarding "suspected elder abuse" when 2SG refused the "jab" for his mother. (He had power of attorney.)

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Susanna Bythesea's avatar

Yes! NEVER separate from your dependent loved one, no matter the age. Vulnerable people need an advocate, and predatory medical practitioners know they are less

Likely to get away with their abuse and coercions when a competent and prepared family member or other personal advocate is present.

But man, tell me you will need to be seeing my children separately from me and we will be out the door. And on the phone with our legal representation at Heritage Defense if you (a medical office) make any threats about it!

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Maggie Think of Me's avatar

They started pushing our grandson to see the pediatrician alone when he turned 10!! His mom flipped out and replied, when y'all are paying for everything this boy needs, you can see him alone!" That stopped it briefly. He's nearly 14 now and they STILL try it at every visit!

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LamedVav disavows all vaxes.'s avatar

THANK YOU for saying this!

People really need to know this!!!!

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NAB's avatar

Not one of my kids were ever left alone in a pediatrician's office - even when they got to be teens. If the girls went, I accompanied them and if the boys went, my husband attended. I did not trust the physicians to leave my kids with them alone but I especially did not trust the nurse practitioners who came off more as activists than as medical practitioners.

I have a friend who left her daughter unattended with an NP and the NP basically told the daughter that her mother was crazy and that the daughter should consent to the HPV shot. Fortunately, the daughter told her mom exactly what happened and they left the office for good. However, looking back on it, I think they actually had standing for some sort of legal action.

I have another acquaintance whose daughter ended up consenting to the HPV shot after the mother and daughter had previously discussed not receiving it. The daughter consented after being persuaded by the NP. Sadly, the girl went on to have terrible side effects from the shot which affected her for years.

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Jeff C's avatar

Amen, same here.

Far too many people acquiesce to things that they think are mandatory that really aren't. Just say no. If it cannot be said with you in the room then the automatic assumption should be it's an attempt to undermine your authority.

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Michelle Dalsing's avatar

Same for my boys! The doctor then played the "Don't you want to prevent cancer in young girls" card. I replied boys not having sex, I tell them to wrap it up, etc. Dr replied if they didn't get it now, they would have to have more doses when they did. My boys are adults and I still tell them to just say no to drugs when they see the doctor and to wrap it up.

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Patti F's avatar

OMG I was told the same thing about having to have more doses later! It's like they all read from the same script.

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NAB's avatar

They were given the script by Pharma.

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NAB's avatar

The Gardasil push and subsequent debacle was really the starting point of my awakening on vaccines. I repeatedly refused the HPV for all of my kids. I asked the office staff to put a note on all the kids' charts to stop asking about the shots, but they refused. I finally started sending my husband to the yearly PE appointments and miraculously, they stopped asking at every subsequent visit. He just, "No. We do not consent to those and don't ask again."

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Susanna Bythesea's avatar

I had a midwife once who was very bullying. I told me husband about it and he came to the next appointment. She was as sweet as sugar. He came to all my subsequent appointments (at the time we couldn’t switch providers) and no more problems. Thank God for men.

For many reasons 😂

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JW's avatar

Our daughter was asked to find a different doctor when she refused vaccinations for her very young children. So she found another in a heartbeat.

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Susanna Bythesea's avatar

Isn’t it nice when they show their ugly faces right up front so you can know to run?

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Tonya's avatar

Doctors are trained to use a psychological technique called "motivational interview" to get parents who don't want these shots for their kids to change their minds. Completely unethical since they are actually using this technique on parents without their knowledge or consent. It should only be used on people who have given their consent and *want* to change a behavior, and have asked for help in changing that behavior (like drug addiction, overeating, etc.), not on people who just aren't doing what the doctor wants them to do.

https://youtu.be/6hY3fad8zG0?si=fPAyTi1eZswp2oZ6

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Susanna Bythesea's avatar

Wow. I’ve seen this exact method used for other treatments.

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Susanna Bythesea's avatar

I cannot believe how first the pharmaceutical companies set their sights, like predators, on these little children, and then the doctors and medical professionals just bow down and turn right around to pass on the abuse without a moment of question. Just evil.

So glad you were able to protect your son. My heart breaks for so many who just didn’t know and followed a “trusted” doctor’s advice.

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Patti F's avatar

I have 2 friends who are both nurses and they were both horrified that I wouldn't protect my children with this vax. They don't know each other - but they both had the same reaction and couldn't believe I'd subject my children to possibly getting cancer. Needless to say we only discuss things like the weather now. I refuse to even engage with them about anything medical.

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ViaVeritasVita's avatar

I gather she must have told you that the vial had been opened already for your son? This implies that no patient of hers had ever refused the toxin?

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Patti F's avatar

She actually said she would have to toss the dose because we refused it. I didn't care. That's not my problem.

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ViaVeritasVita's avatar

I’m proud of you! Let her suffer the loss of one vax-pay out.

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rolandttg's avatar

My communist satanic murderous PoS 6X jabbed TDS eldest sister in law guilted my beloved trusting brother In law into getting double Moderna jabbed because "she had already made the appointment. "

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ViaVeritasVita's avatar

Oh dear.

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Jeff C's avatar

It may have been a lie in an attempt to guilt you into it too. Why would they prep the shot before permission, I'm sure they don't have an 100% acceptance rate.

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Susanna Bythesea's avatar

“Good, that’s one less dose to poison a child.”

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rolandttg's avatar

Ask her if she knows what "assume" is short for.

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L  Young's avatar

If any medical staff gets angry when questioned that should signal the end of your relationship with them.

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CHop's avatar

Kudos to you. The HPV was the only one I refused for my kids thanks to Dr. Mercola. Some of my friends thought I was nuts. Unfortunately, not long after 2 friends from different circles had their daughters develop POTS within 2 weeks of their shot. Both were gymnasts and both have ongoing issues.

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