I am not for lab-made meat, but I do not like passing laws that go against the capitalist system of free markets. Making a law banning the sale of something takes away freedom. If there are people who want to buy that garbage, why should they be not allowed? I think it is a slippery slope. Instead of banning, the law could have been that…
I am not for lab-made meat, but I do not like passing laws that go against the capitalist system of free markets. Making a law banning the sale of something takes away freedom. If there are people who want to buy that garbage, why should they be not allowed? I think it is a slippery slope. Instead of banning, the law could have been that the lab-meat be labeled as such and that it was not allowed to ever be sold mixed in with beef from American farmers. The labeling could have been legislated to be red in inch tall letters. The product was going to fail on its own with truth in labeling. I just am leery of making laws to ban what I don’t like because the other side can come in and do the same to me…
Your intelligent proposal would fail because the same government that runs the CDC and the NIH, and forces mRNA vaccines on its population, ALSO runs the FDA and thus determines how foods will be labelled. I would not trust any government letter agency to inform me truthfully these days.
I mean, if California can legislate that products must be labelled as "known to the state of California to cause cancer", surely Florida can legislate to label lab-grown meat or mRNA or whatever.
I sort of agree, except that Bill Gates is so heavily invested in pushing this and a myriad of other crap on us in the name of climate change, that an outright ban is preferable. Lab grown meat in vats uses cancer cell lines to grow it. That in itself should make us all wary. And most legislation is written in a way that they can get around what is trying to be accomplished, so “labeling requirements” really won’t be as effective as you think. I for one, do not want to eat this crap, but they’ll find a way to hide it.
Just like the bug ingredients and bio engineered crap they are hiding in food now. You pretty much have to look up everything on your phone to avoid it now. And it’s unavoidable.
I get your point Rose, but in this current "business" environment, there really isn't a pure free market with the huge mega corporations dominating the markets and their own leadership susceptibility to other agendas pushed by other Globalist forces. Until we actually cut our government by 80% or more, DeSantis is taking the necessary immediate steps to combat global elites and their truly demonic agendas.
True. In order to have a truly free market, we need to defund and shut down 80% or more of our federal, state and local governments. Unfortunately, true liberty requires an entire population with the same basic “moral code”, which in the current environment, requires a complete Christian revival, which has previously occurred in our country’s history and coincidentally resulted in a nation that was in turn blessed by God.
I disagree on that one. Offering a completely new food-type to the public that is untested reminds me of the 'safe and effective' lie that was thrown at us and which we couldn't confirm. Let's require testing of its safety and nutritional value before the unsuspecting public gets their fork ready.
Look at GMOS. They don’t have to be labeled, they’re in everything and all the studies show dire consequences for humanity. GRAS- something the government made up so the psychopaths can avoid doing actual safety testing.
100% testing should be done. And yes, the jab was a huge lie complete with propaganda that was designed to do what propaganda does. My concern is just that banning things is only increasing government control.
Gates is making money off his fake meat. Our government is buying (our tax dollars) and giving it to the food banks that give to the poor. It's a write off for Gates.
Problem is many have no clue what they are eating...gmo foods should be banned along with many ingredients. Look around...people are just looking sick!
Was so disappointed when I found out that those big beautiful papayas I fell in love with years ago in Hawaii are now GMO. They are not labeled, so people do not know.
Yep. You are correct. There is nothing - at all - conservative about this bill. When we all sit here and complain about the government "creating markets" and "creating monopolies" and "favoring some businesses over others," this is what it looks like in practice. He is essentially creating a monopoly for the beef producers in his state and enforcing it with threat of government violence. And how much do we want to bet that the beef producer lobby makes some campaign contributions?
Just because it's a product none of us here like (and everyone should be skeptical of), we cheer what is obviously the type of (D) and leftist policy that we yell about everywhere else. It's exactly the same thing. So, we shouldn't cheer. Slippery slopes are real and bigger government is always bigger government at someone else's expense.
I agree, to a point. I’m not a fan of more government regulations or involvement in general but I do think there is a time and place for that. To me it’s kind of more akin to banning the sale of human meat. We don’t object that some people might want to eat human meat so it should be ok to sell it. I also don’t think it should be called meat anyway. It’s not flesh. Maybe call it engineered protein or something. Like formula isn’t called breast milk, because it isn’t the same thing although they try to approximate it as much as they can.
There is a big difference b/w gov't regulation/involvement and straight-up authoritarian banning (esp. if the banning helps your financial or political allies). I think there were options other than basically banning competition, if safety was a genuine concern. Like state testing requirements; composition testing via an approved 3rd party; state warning label requirements as with cigars/cigarettes in some places and pretty much every electronic sold in CA; a luxury tax. I like the labeling/naming ideas.
I also think there's a pretty big moral/ethical difference b/w human meat and lab grown meat. And let's face it, our side is now getting dangerously close to assuming everything we don't know or like is somehow a "woke" or WEF-connected thing. That is not going to be good for the future. We need more innovation and more industry, not less.
Anything that Bill Gates is involved in is not for the good of people. I would expect that human meat would actually be better for than anything the has his hand in. On another note, you can still order it online and have it shipped to you… so are not without means to get it for yourself.
I’m just not sure how well those other options really work, if there is an issue with these products. Maybe ban them until they can prove long term safety. We really have no idea if these “foods” will have any long term negative effects or not at this point. I get that they’re not quite an equivalent of eating human meat but they’re also not your average run of the mill food products. It’s not like they’re banning chicken or tofu to favor beef producers.
And I’m all for innovation but Frankenfoods are not the kind of innovation I think we need most and they likely have more potential to cause harm than others. I would like to see more innovations in agriculture than see engineered artificial food.
I guess at the end of the day, it's an issue of principle for me. I can't get behind authoritarian policies when it comes to products that just haven't proven to be harmful. I also note, they haven't banned the C19 shots, which are proven harmful. Why not take the same stance here and simply advise against the product if they feel it might be dangerous?
Again, I am not a fan of these products, but IMO authoritarianism always leads to unintended problems and runs counter to my overall stance of small, limited gov't (even though I am also guilty of cheering on some authoritarian things at times...).
Thanks for the conversation. I appreciate that you challenge some things and make me think them through.
I completely get that, and tend to want to hold to principles in general too. However, I can also see that there are times when it might be better not to hold fast to a principle for the sake of it. There is probably not going to be a case where you can hold to a principle 100% so there are likely to be points where you are going to decide to draw the line. You’re not comfortable with this particular line and I respect that. I guess we all have different parameters and limits for these kinds of things.
They can only do it to you if you are selling a fake product that hurts the consumer, like gmo seeds. We have all kinds of consumer protection laws. Most recently they failed us selling fake shots to nearly every government in the world. So, I’m glad desantis and Florida are thinking beyond the box and banning the fake stuff.
Now, if they will label it as what it is, composting food stuffs and bugs for people who want meat but won’t eat it due to mental challenges, then we can have another go round I guess.
Pigs have used mRNA "vaccines" for several years now. Have you ever seen any pork labeled to show mRNA is in it? Are you aware that lawsuits have been filed to force this disclosure, which has faced deep pocketed opposition?
FDA will ban natural substances that are healthy if it threatens their owners' profits. Their name is very revealing - Food & Drug Administration - administration of drugs into you...
I was raised with livestock being a part of my childhood. Dairy cattle, hogs, chickens, sheep, and goats. The only mRNA vaccines I was aware of were one they used on poultry and the trials did not go well and they quit using the technology because the animals in the trial group had a very high mortality rate. Hogs go to market many days after chickens do so it is surprising to me to hear that they are using them on hogs (but really is anything surprising these days!!!). But when the tech came out for humans I was like no way Jose! My only statement is that I don’t want the government dictating more things. This is how we got vaccine mandates-the government making choices for us.
I agree with his banning. He is keeping garbage out of our state. If it was healthy and good for you, it would be a different story. If you open the door to this garbage, it will come in one way or another. They will price it so low that those in lower income will buy it regardless of labels…it is another way of harming those less fortunate. If you want to get it, you can still order it online and ship to you.
This reply does not appear to be showing up but I think it was an intelligent response and came through my email. I will leave it anonymous in case the commenter decided to not post it after all: In fact, off the top of my head other options that would have been less draconian and more effective: - requiring a strict set of tests with evidence of safety, purity, and chemical composition provided to the state of FL every year (which would allow this product to be used to 'out' any hidden agenda); - labeling requirements or regulations (e.g., can't call it "beef" in FL, maybe even ridiculous warning labels like cigars have); - a luxury tax that would obviously be paid primarily by limousine liberals. Lots of other less authoritarian options were available to address concerns.
I am not for lab-made meat, but I do not like passing laws that go against the capitalist system of free markets. Making a law banning the sale of something takes away freedom. If there are people who want to buy that garbage, why should they be not allowed? I think it is a slippery slope. Instead of banning, the law could have been that the lab-meat be labeled as such and that it was not allowed to ever be sold mixed in with beef from American farmers. The labeling could have been legislated to be red in inch tall letters. The product was going to fail on its own with truth in labeling. I just am leery of making laws to ban what I don’t like because the other side can come in and do the same to me…
Your intelligent proposal would fail because the same government that runs the CDC and the NIH, and forces mRNA vaccines on its population, ALSO runs the FDA and thus determines how foods will be labelled. I would not trust any government letter agency to inform me truthfully these days.
Since food looks like it will be the next bioweapon, pushed down our gullets this time, I’d say we need to start dismantling the DOD.
Good call Janet — it already is…
https://open.substack.com/pub/chemtrails/p/90-of-cheese-contains-pfizer-product?r=1b99c1&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web
Exactly
I mean, if California can legislate that products must be labelled as "known to the state of California to cause cancer", surely Florida can legislate to label lab-grown meat or mRNA or whatever.
I sort of agree, except that Bill Gates is so heavily invested in pushing this and a myriad of other crap on us in the name of climate change, that an outright ban is preferable. Lab grown meat in vats uses cancer cell lines to grow it. That in itself should make us all wary. And most legislation is written in a way that they can get around what is trying to be accomplished, so “labeling requirements” really won’t be as effective as you think. I for one, do not want to eat this crap, but they’ll find a way to hide it.
Just like the bug ingredients and bio engineered crap they are hiding in food now. You pretty much have to look up everything on your phone to avoid it now. And it’s unavoidable.
All the more reason to never eat packaged food. Eat real food.
Right. I mean, there is flour made out of crickets, but it doesn’t say cricket flour. It says acheta powder.
Just read about cricket powder. One review was from a vegan who gives it to his/her cat. Call PETA!🤢
I get your point Rose, but in this current "business" environment, there really isn't a pure free market with the huge mega corporations dominating the markets and their own leadership susceptibility to other agendas pushed by other Globalist forces. Until we actually cut our government by 80% or more, DeSantis is taking the necessary immediate steps to combat global elites and their truly demonic agendas.
If we had a free market, incandescents would still be available.
True. In order to have a truly free market, we need to defund and shut down 80% or more of our federal, state and local governments. Unfortunately, true liberty requires an entire population with the same basic “moral code”, which in the current environment, requires a complete Christian revival, which has previously occurred in our country’s history and coincidentally resulted in a nation that was in turn blessed by God.
And dishwashers, showers, washing machines, and toilets that worked.
I wish the items that are not milk, meat, etc., were prohibited from using those words in advertising or labeling.
Like "processed cheese food". mmmm Velveeta!
I opened my boyfriend’s refrigerator once and in it he had 6 cases of Budweiser and a box of velveeta.
. I looked at him and said- ironically the beer is the healthiest thing in your refrigerator.
Lolol! Sounds like my bachelor days!
Thank the good Lord he blessed me with a saint as a wife!
American cheese is another
Much better solution than rewarding campaign contributors with a statewide, government-protected monopoly.
I disagree on that one. Offering a completely new food-type to the public that is untested reminds me of the 'safe and effective' lie that was thrown at us and which we couldn't confirm. Let's require testing of its safety and nutritional value before the unsuspecting public gets their fork ready.
Look at GMOS. They don’t have to be labeled, they’re in everything and all the studies show dire consequences for humanity. GRAS- something the government made up so the psychopaths can avoid doing actual safety testing.
100% testing should be done. And yes, the jab was a huge lie complete with propaganda that was designed to do what propaganda does. My concern is just that banning things is only increasing government control.
We can be judicious in our 'just banning'. Reminds me of those who yell book banning when we try to keep pornographic books away from kids.
Yes, like we don’t allow human meat to be sold, or spoiled meat. It’s not a free choice or free market for those and I’m fine with that limitation.
Gates is making money off his fake meat. Our government is buying (our tax dollars) and giving it to the food banks that give to the poor. It's a write off for Gates.
Ghate$ likes to "legally" game the system and makes mucho $$$$. He needs the $$$ to keep the Beltway gang happy.
Problem is many have no clue what they are eating...gmo foods should be banned along with many ingredients. Look around...people are just looking sick!
Agree but not generally a fan of the “protect people for their own good” school of thought.
Yes it's a slippery slope.
Just look at the consequences of the patriot act.
Was so disappointed when I found out that those big beautiful papayas I fell in love with years ago in Hawaii are now GMO. They are not labeled, so people do not know.
Yep. You are correct. There is nothing - at all - conservative about this bill. When we all sit here and complain about the government "creating markets" and "creating monopolies" and "favoring some businesses over others," this is what it looks like in practice. He is essentially creating a monopoly for the beef producers in his state and enforcing it with threat of government violence. And how much do we want to bet that the beef producer lobby makes some campaign contributions?
Just because it's a product none of us here like (and everyone should be skeptical of), we cheer what is obviously the type of (D) and leftist policy that we yell about everywhere else. It's exactly the same thing. So, we shouldn't cheer. Slippery slopes are real and bigger government is always bigger government at someone else's expense.
I agree, to a point. I’m not a fan of more government regulations or involvement in general but I do think there is a time and place for that. To me it’s kind of more akin to banning the sale of human meat. We don’t object that some people might want to eat human meat so it should be ok to sell it. I also don’t think it should be called meat anyway. It’s not flesh. Maybe call it engineered protein or something. Like formula isn’t called breast milk, because it isn’t the same thing although they try to approximate it as much as they can.
There is a big difference b/w gov't regulation/involvement and straight-up authoritarian banning (esp. if the banning helps your financial or political allies). I think there were options other than basically banning competition, if safety was a genuine concern. Like state testing requirements; composition testing via an approved 3rd party; state warning label requirements as with cigars/cigarettes in some places and pretty much every electronic sold in CA; a luxury tax. I like the labeling/naming ideas.
I also think there's a pretty big moral/ethical difference b/w human meat and lab grown meat. And let's face it, our side is now getting dangerously close to assuming everything we don't know or like is somehow a "woke" or WEF-connected thing. That is not going to be good for the future. We need more innovation and more industry, not less.
Anything that Bill Gates is involved in is not for the good of people. I would expect that human meat would actually be better for than anything the has his hand in. On another note, you can still order it online and have it shipped to you… so are not without means to get it for yourself.
Order fake meat you mean? Yeah I guess that is true.
I’m just not sure how well those other options really work, if there is an issue with these products. Maybe ban them until they can prove long term safety. We really have no idea if these “foods” will have any long term negative effects or not at this point. I get that they’re not quite an equivalent of eating human meat but they’re also not your average run of the mill food products. It’s not like they’re banning chicken or tofu to favor beef producers.
And I’m all for innovation but Frankenfoods are not the kind of innovation I think we need most and they likely have more potential to cause harm than others. I would like to see more innovations in agriculture than see engineered artificial food.
I guess at the end of the day, it's an issue of principle for me. I can't get behind authoritarian policies when it comes to products that just haven't proven to be harmful. I also note, they haven't banned the C19 shots, which are proven harmful. Why not take the same stance here and simply advise against the product if they feel it might be dangerous?
Again, I am not a fan of these products, but IMO authoritarianism always leads to unintended problems and runs counter to my overall stance of small, limited gov't (even though I am also guilty of cheering on some authoritarian things at times...).
Thanks for the conversation. I appreciate that you challenge some things and make me think them through.
I completely get that, and tend to want to hold to principles in general too. However, I can also see that there are times when it might be better not to hold fast to a principle for the sake of it. There is probably not going to be a case where you can hold to a principle 100% so there are likely to be points where you are going to decide to draw the line. You’re not comfortable with this particular line and I respect that. I guess we all have different parameters and limits for these kinds of things.
Yes!
They can only do it to you if you are selling a fake product that hurts the consumer, like gmo seeds. We have all kinds of consumer protection laws. Most recently they failed us selling fake shots to nearly every government in the world. So, I’m glad desantis and Florida are thinking beyond the box and banning the fake stuff.
Now, if they will label it as what it is, composting food stuffs and bugs for people who want meat but won’t eat it due to mental challenges, then we can have another go round I guess.
On anything else, fine, not “ food”. Our country is poisoning us like no other country.
Excellent point Rose.
Pigs have used mRNA "vaccines" for several years now. Have you ever seen any pork labeled to show mRNA is in it? Are you aware that lawsuits have been filed to force this disclosure, which has faced deep pocketed opposition?
FDA will ban natural substances that are healthy if it threatens their owners' profits. Their name is very revealing - Food & Drug Administration - administration of drugs into you...
I was raised with livestock being a part of my childhood. Dairy cattle, hogs, chickens, sheep, and goats. The only mRNA vaccines I was aware of were one they used on poultry and the trials did not go well and they quit using the technology because the animals in the trial group had a very high mortality rate. Hogs go to market many days after chickens do so it is surprising to me to hear that they are using them on hogs (but really is anything surprising these days!!!). But when the tech came out for humans I was like no way Jose! My only statement is that I don’t want the government dictating more things. This is how we got vaccine mandates-the government making choices for us.
I agree with his banning. He is keeping garbage out of our state. If it was healthy and good for you, it would be a different story. If you open the door to this garbage, it will come in one way or another. They will price it so low that those in lower income will buy it regardless of labels…it is another way of harming those less fortunate. If you want to get it, you can still order it online and ship to you.
Ditto. I live in live in Florida. Would never touch the stuff but have been thinking the same thing. I think this legislation was a mistake.
This reply does not appear to be showing up but I think it was an intelligent response and came through my email. I will leave it anonymous in case the commenter decided to not post it after all: In fact, off the top of my head other options that would have been less draconian and more effective: - requiring a strict set of tests with evidence of safety, purity, and chemical composition provided to the state of FL every year (which would allow this product to be used to 'out' any hidden agenda); - labeling requirements or regulations (e.g., can't call it "beef" in FL, maybe even ridiculous warning labels like cigars have); - a luxury tax that would obviously be paid primarily by limousine liberals. Lots of other less authoritarian options were available to address concerns.
Excellent points!