Thank you, Willing Spirit. I don’t know if it is because of how people have been taught, or because they simply hate Israel. But the plain Word tells us that His thoughts towards Israel are for their good. That He loves them AND us with an everlasting love. We have trouble comprehending that love.
Thank you, Willing Spirit. I don’t know if it is because of how people have been taught, or because they simply hate Israel. But the plain Word tells us that His thoughts towards Israel are for their good. That He loves them AND us with an everlasting love. We have trouble comprehending that love.
Not so. I was dispensationalist for 25+ years as that's the default view taught in America in the 20th and 21st century (it's most definitely dying now especially with the Millenial and Zoomer Christians). Almost all your favorite teachers on the radio and TV are dispensationalist so that's the only side you get when in reality this view never existed until Clarence Darby in the mid 1800's and then popularized by the Scofield reference Bible at the turn of the century (that's a very interesting story btw).
Labeling people as dispensationalist and thinking that dismisses them as serious Bible scholars is a dangerous error.
Apparently you were hurt and I’m sorry for that.
I honestly don’t understand all of what is claimed about ‘dispensationalism’. I’m not here to defend any ‘isms’. I don’t follow any man’s programs. Apparently there is a great deal of bias against it.
This must all be very confusing for nonbelievers.
I began reading through the Bible yearly with ‘The One Year Bible’ in 1985 and after continued since then. These days I’m following a daily reading podcast.
This is where my understanding has been formed.
I know that God loves Israel with an undying love. The Bible tells me so.
Good point, but not agreed to by the "christians", most of whom, as you see below, think all non-christians are condemned to hellfire...
They seem to be ok with Israel murdering over 30,000 Gazans, mostly innocent women and kids... in response to an attack by Hamas (that Israel knew well in advance was coming and did nothing to stop it)... that killed around 1,200 jews. Appalling? Sure, both sides.
Now you see why I wish these goofy hypocrites would discuss their mythologies elsewhere... ??
I can understand your frustration. Christians, if any are involved in politics, have been slow to apply their beliefs, ethics, and Biblical principles to the sordid business of politics. Churches can be sordid themselves, too, so there's that. Then you have all the bizarre eschatological theories, around which some have built their entire religion.
In college I shut all of this out and read the Bible to see if there is anything to Christianity at all, which I seriously doubted. I found out the problems lie in ourselves, not in God. Yes, people were being ridiculous, and about so many vitally important things. But that doesn't mean I would have to be that way. I could get it back on track. Such is the intemperate, idealistic optimism of the young. Of course no one can live up to their own standards, let alone the high standards set by a perfect God. We all fail in different ways, but we do fail. But God can work with that. His plan is perfect, and it requires no striving or putting together a puzzle where most of the pieces are missing. God freely gives new life, mercy, and forgiveness to all who accept it as a gift made available through the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ.
Some people don't like the fact that there's only one way to God, but seriously no one needs more than that. If a cafeteria-style assortment of religions and gods were available for us all to choose from, we then become our own gods -- and of course mess everything up again and wind up bombing each other, killing, stealing, etc.
The point I make is that there ARE a cafeteria-style assortment of religions and gods that are available for us all to choose from... not only the usual suspects, judaism, christianity, islam (each of which has several to MANY significant variations within, different sects, etc), buddhism, hinduism... native American tribal mythology, shintoism... on and on...
YOU seem to have the similar arrogance (sorry, it IS arrogance) to claim that it is a FACT that there is only one way to "God"... YOUR way. Do all of the rest of the many billions of humans burn in hellfire? Do you realize that the "bible" which you follow (his "plan"?), who knows which of MANY versions you use... has been revised again and again, books added and deleted and the translations of the original writings that became the "bible"... have been massively corrupted for the purpose of power and control over the "sheep"?
Read Biglino's "The Naked Bible"... he translates those original writings... and I strongly assume... that even if you deign to read it... you will deny it any credibility whatsoever... and cling with great fervor and anger... to the mythology that YOU have chosen... and steadfastly deny and condemn all others.... just like THEY do to YOURS... and as you say... "of course mess everything up again and wind up bombing each other, killing, etc..."
It's not my way. It's God's way. He created the universe. He specified a way of reconciliation. To me, it's more than arrogant to say, "No, I don't like that way! It's too narrow! I want 17 more ways, so I can choose, and I'd prefer one that lets me do things MY way." You have the ability to reject the path offered to you. It's entirely your choice.
Understand that the Bible doesn't say things or instruct us to do things a certain way in order to be arbitrary and overbearing, but because it's the truth. If you follow this way of living, your life will be much better because God guides you away from the things that destroy you. I can reject the law of gravity, for example, and I will still splatter myself all over the pavement if I jump off a tall building. The reaction to a warning not to jump should not be, "Who are you to tell me what to do, bigot?" but "Thanks for telling me."
Without being tedious, I have studied the efforts to pick apart the Bible. It's a historical document. It wasn't originally written in English, so it does require translation. Our translating skills have improved over the centuries, and that's why different versions emerge. The English language itself has evolved, to the point that few people still say things like "thee" and thou,," even though that was normal when King James provided a translation. All these differences have not changed the "guts" of the Bible, though, just clarified some details. It's an ancient document, and has been authenticated more than most.
As you know, there's not much that is susceptible of "absolute" proof. Even courts use standards such as "more probable than not" in civil cases and "beyond a reasonable doubt" in criminal cases. So many things in life require faith, such as sitting in a chair and believing, with no evidence, that it won't collapse; eating food in a restaurant and assuming it isn't poisoned; driving a car and trusting that other drivers won't run into your head-on. I make my best judgment based on available facts.
As far as Hell, no one has to go there. It's your choice, and if you don't believe it exists, you have nothing at all to be concerned about. No one "sends" you there. God doesn't want you there, and I don't either.
I'm not sure you realize that you are supporting my point... you claim to have the ONLY truth... the only path, the only "way of reconciliation". You must realize, that the many billions that believe that THEY have the only truth think that YOU are just as deluded as you think THEY are!
Odd that "God" would allow such confusion... no? Do you think those billions of people devout and strong in THEIR beliefs, which are totally opposed to YOUR beliefs... are all what, evil? confused? Misled by "Satan"?? Bound for eternal damnation?
And Hell is a choice... follow YOUR path or burn? So many billions headed to the pit, eh? WOW! Is the Book of Mormon scripture? How about the Gnostic Gospels? Both "christian", yes? Are Jews hell-bound? They do not believe in your ONE path to salvation... right?
You claim that the bible is an historical document... perhaps the old testament does have many stories that can be tied to geographical areas... but why not read Biglino and see what an experienced translator came up with? Then you can point out where you disagree... even scoff at him... surely your faith is strong enough to withstand another's translation of the original "scriptures"? Which are now, in a far different form... your "bible"?
Do you think the majority is always right? We just take a vote and the minority will always be wrong? Maybe I should get more yard signs so I can increase the popularity of truth.
Do you believe in the existence of absolutes? I believe I can't change the truth just because it isn't popular enough. I didn't take the covid vax, either, and it didn't bother me at all that almost no one agreed with me.
Yes, there is ONE way, whether anyone else believes it or not -- but I'm not the only person who thinks so. If I'm drowning and someone throws me a life preserver, I'm not going to start complaining about the design, the material, the brand, and the color, and why a wider selection wasn't presented so I could choose one that's more to my liking.
I read a lot, and right now I have a big stack ahead of the one you think I should read. I'll get to it, but I can't tell you when.
I wonder about your basic assumptions. Do you believe there is a God? Or is this just a fictional character we can make up like characters in a novel?
You have mentioned Hell several times. Do you believe in Hell? Do you believe in Heaven?
I don't think you'd like Heaven, because it would be full of people who believe everything you disagree with. But you do have that option. One fact about his design of the universe is that God left human beings with free will. Hell (whether or not you believe in it) isn't what God wants for you.
Indeed. Humans are often entranced by buzzwords and slaves to seemingly magic syllables. A disturbing trait. Cf. "safe and effective." Taking the word for reality.
On the contrary, dispensationalists are VERY serious Bible scholars when it comes to interpreting the Word within the framework of their dispensational assumptions. For those who have spent their whole lives in that framework of the dispensational matrix, it is a very hard thing indeed for them to swallow the red pill. Every time I present a substantive statement to the contrary, no one ever interacts with my position in any substantive manner. That tells me they do not have a Biblically based rational why my position is wrong, only that they prefer to remain in the matrix because that is simply what they want. The disingenuous weak reed of "Apparently you were hurt..." is not a valid argument.
The church became accustomed to speeches from the holy men on Sundays and a sprinkling of entertainment. It was all about education. Members stuffed their minds with knowledge gleaned from speakers, books, and footnotes. That model has failed because Christianity is trying to relegate itself to the status of a Western religion. Perhaps one day the churches will be like the originals and not lecture halls. There are exceptions, I know.
Some of the best people I know are on that side excursion. It's familiar enough that I've heard everything that could be said. It has seemed to me at times that the focus is more on Israel and Scofield's tale about the end times than on other, more useful lines of inquiry.
Exactly, some great brothers and sisters in Christ. But their vision in this particular regard is very truncated and captured by the decades long matrix of the "end times" narrative. Taking that red pill is exceedingly difficult to the mind. When I began my journey out of that matrix over 40 years ago, I ended up having to take a number red pills to complete the journey... which I suppose I'm still on. In the end, the whole end times narrative is a distraction from Biblical Christianity and divisive of the central tenets of the faith, sidelining the Church as a force in the culture and society. I suppose that is the whole point.
I believe there will be and is a slow awakening going on in the church as a result of the disintegration of our culture. As society deteriorates, people are going to realize that the end times narrative does not offer any real solution to what is happening, not even the "any day now" rapture escape. Contrary to that, Paul said of Christ's kingdom in 1 Cor 15, "25 For He must reign till He has put all enemies under His feet. 26 The last enemy that will be destroyed is death." Having ascended to the throne, Christ is ruling and reigning now through His body on earth as we are empowered by the indwelling of the Holy Spirit.
I completely agree. It seems that Scofieldism was embraced widely in WW2 as people tried to make sense of everything and fear abounded. I was shown a chart of the "end times" that looks like a schematic of an internal combustion engine. The good news is simple enough for everyone to understand. I don't think we are supposed to piece together bits and pieces of the Bible to figure out what Jesus said is unknown. Matt. 24:36. We are about to see in the church a "great awakening" like we are seeing in the entire country. Many churches won't survive it unless they are willing to let go of the cold ashes of their traditions and let God light his fire in them.
There's something eerily familiar about a country claiming racial superiority so they can take the land and property of their inferiors. "Lebensraum" is what they called it. Isn't that what Israel wants, too? Did anyone learn anything from history?
Then we have our own government surreptitiously editing the genes of everyone from babies to old people living in nursing homes. Sometimes I feel like I am living in the 4th Rike (phonetic spelling).
You are completely mischaracterizing Christians, who are looking at the signs of the times and are in hopeful expectation of the return of Christ.
Jesus told us what signs to look for. Scripture instructs us to always be ready.
That doesn’t mean we don’t live responsible lives and participate in the well being of our communities. To say that we don’t work to have the Church be a force in the culture and society is wrong and unfair to millions of us.
Do you even believe there’s going to be a second return of Christ, or do you think that’s already fulfilled too?
I am aligned with your comment in that dispensationalism appears by design to make chopped liver out of Scripture. That is, dispensationalism is a kind of Scriptural Woke before the term was even known or thought of. Further more, my view is that Scofield with purpose was 'an operation' designed to weaken whatever was left of traditional Christian Faith doctrine by fracturing the continuity of Scripture. In some circles, the program was and still remains this, liquidate all Christian practice by any means possible.
Also, I looked into Scofield and the New York faux-Semitic lawyer Untermeyer. Regarding this, here is another bizarre story of a man (Scofield) who comes out of nowhere, appears to have no visible means of support yet goes everywhere ... and somehow manages to get published in the prestigious Cambridge Press instantly no problems. It the kind of story I have seen before quite a few times, that of a No Where Man who suddenly like magic appears out of No Where and lands feet first in the pages of history, like certain political figures who get paid some $400,000 a year but end up owning multi-million dollar mansions on little islands and manage some how to have net worths in the millions. My! How do such things happen. How does that little trick work?
Advertising tricks do not fare well on me. For example, drawing a thread to doing well with women to a certain product be hawked never did overly impress me. Similarly, drawing Biblical threads to a certain state run by people of largely non-Semitic but instead Turkomen origins who commit large scale genocide and milk the US Treasury dry using a lobby which should by all rights be required to register as 'foreign agent', this also does not overly impress me. Nor does blind support of anything.
Well said. The modern state of Israel was funded by the Rothschilds. The NWO wants to rein from Jerusalem. The KJV is hard to read, and that's probably driven some people to the Scofield footnotes to figure out what it means.
Reality! This has been the program to side-line and destroy Christianity since the founding of this country. We are now at the end game point where push comes to shove.
Two thousand two hundred American soldiers were killed at Pearl Harbor, we went and killed 3.5 million Japanese, including 100,000 in one night. 2,800 Americans on September 11. We went and killed 400,000 people in Afghanistan and Iraq. We were not accused of genocide.
Below is my comment from April 26. Referencing WWII and subsequent wars, what I described is genocide. Furthermore, I have repeatedly stated that the plandemic was and is a military campaign of the USG DoD of democide/genocide of America and the rest of the West.......................
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SOVEREIGN IMMUNITY:
And here is the crux of the whole matter which Childers only touched on. I don't have the bandwidth to fully address this but I do recognize the problem. Sovereign immunity means there is NO ACCOUNTABILITY for the actions of our top leadership, particularly the POTUS. This means there is NO LAW that governs their behavior.
The solution to this conundrum provided by the writers of the Constitution was the Senate who represented the will of the separate individual sovereign States. This check was done away with in 1913 by the Seventeenth Amendment which provided for the direct election of Senators just like the rest of Congress. Coincidentally, this was the same year the Federal Reserve was established which removed the people's check on Federal spending power. Not a coincidence!
The last time the nation addressed the accountability of Government to a higher power or sovereign was the Declaration of Independence which clearly stated that the State is subject to the Creator of the universe and His Law. Upon this basis, the founding fathers based their right to reject the rule of a despotic government and declare their compact with that government null and void. The failing of the Constitution was not addressing this and providing no mechanism for holding the Fed Gov't accountable to God's Law.
Thus we find ourselves at the point where the "sovereign" USG can bomb into extinction entire civilian populations in WWII, which we did in both Japan and Europe and in nearly every subsequent war they got us involved in, without any repercussions. And now we find ourselves the object of a war being waged upon the American people by the Dept of Defense who are killing us through a medical intervention all enabled and justified under Military Law.
This is the meaning of Sovereign Immunity. There is NO restraint upon the actions of the USG either abroad or at home. Nor is there any possibility of reversing the trends Claude A.I. described.
This is also why our Marxist regime is beginning a narrative to pigeon-hole Christian Nationalism, and all Christianity, as a terrorist threat. This is the reason the Romans crucified Jesus. Jesus said to give unto Caesar that which is Caesar's and to give unto God that which is God's. In Roman law, Caesar own everything and as such Caesar was god. What Jesus said was sedition and treason. And the state killed Him for it.
Im not taking the side of the government in Israel. I have stated in almost all the comments I have made. His Covenant is with the People and the Land.
And if we are grafted into that Olive Tree, we inherit the promises both good and bad. But if we boast against the branches of that tree into which we have been grafted? One of those promises is that He can cut us off.
His divorced Israel for a time, then went back to calling her His Beloved.
When big scriptural ideas make me scratch my
head, I try taking it down to a far smaller bite.
In this case, I think if it as a relatively happily married couple or a parent/child relationship. You may have a huge disagreement or grievance but at the end of the day (or week, LOL!) you come back together.
In your married couple instance, suppose one party had already remarried. That's what ancient Israel did. They were worshipping Baal, and whatever other diety-of-the-month they could find in Canaan.
The book of Hosea tells of the accounts of an adulterous wife (Israel) and a faithful husband (God) and all through Hosea's wife a-whoring ways, he remains married to her under God's guidance.
God has not forsaken Israel, no matter what gods they've chosen to follow. God is faithful to His word, His ways and will NEVER forsake her.
As Jeremiah 31:35-36 states, "Thus says the LORD, who gives the sun for light by day, who sets in order the moon and stars for light by night, who stirs up the sea so that its waves roar—the LORD of Hosts is His name: 36“Only if this fixed order departed from My presence,
declares the LORD, would Israel’s descendants ever cease
I think many are confusing people's hate for Israel as hate for their government. It has nothing to do with their peoples, but rather their murderous government.
The American govt has a historical record of oppressing, alienating, and murdering entire groups of people who don’t align with ‘her views.’ When will boomers realize that WE are the bad guys in all scenarios? It’s like they don’t even see the truth right in front of them!
Like Aloha, I grew up in dispensational churches. That's how I was taught. And "simply hating Israel" was something I was never exposed to. Like most people of my generation, I had nothing but sympathy for Israel. Your either/or is a non-starter. I came to a fuller understanding of God's covenant through an intensive self-study of His entire Word by self-consciously approaching the Word without any preconceived ideas relying only on the promise that if asked the Holy Spirit will open the Word to you. When I was finished, I then examined everything I had been taught and believed in light of what I had learned with only the guidance of the Holy Spirit. I had to swallow a number of "red pills". It was only later that I learned of the "short" history of dispensational theology.
If you want to understand His love, understand His covenant. Jesus and Paul spent a great deal of effort explaining this.
Thank you, Willing Spirit. I don’t know if it is because of how people have been taught, or because they simply hate Israel. But the plain Word tells us that His thoughts towards Israel are for their good. That He loves them AND us with an everlasting love. We have trouble comprehending that love.
Not so. I was dispensationalist for 25+ years as that's the default view taught in America in the 20th and 21st century (it's most definitely dying now especially with the Millenial and Zoomer Christians). Almost all your favorite teachers on the radio and TV are dispensationalist so that's the only side you get when in reality this view never existed until Clarence Darby in the mid 1800's and then popularized by the Scofield reference Bible at the turn of the century (that's a very interesting story btw).
Labeling people as dispensationalist and thinking that dismisses them as serious Bible scholars is a dangerous error.
Apparently you were hurt and I’m sorry for that.
I honestly don’t understand all of what is claimed about ‘dispensationalism’. I’m not here to defend any ‘isms’. I don’t follow any man’s programs. Apparently there is a great deal of bias against it.
This must all be very confusing for nonbelievers.
I began reading through the Bible yearly with ‘The One Year Bible’ in 1985 and after continued since then. These days I’m following a daily reading podcast.
This is where my understanding has been formed.
I know that God loves Israel with an undying love. The Bible tells me so.
There is truth in saying that God loves Israel with an undying love.
The issue is in conflating the country that is called Israel with the Israel of the Bible.
100%, correct. Spiritual Israel vs. results of the Balfour Accord. 2 completely different things.
Later Jay
God loves Hamas, too. Everyone, in fact.
Everyone that accepts the sacrifice of His Son.
He does love every single person, and wishes them to be reconciled to Him.
However, it is clear that there is only one way to do that.
"Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me." - John 14:6
And therein lies the rub and the reason the Marxists/Satanists hate and fear Christianity.
What happens to those who just admit that they don't know?
Or believe differently?
Good point, but not agreed to by the "christians", most of whom, as you see below, think all non-christians are condemned to hellfire...
They seem to be ok with Israel murdering over 30,000 Gazans, mostly innocent women and kids... in response to an attack by Hamas (that Israel knew well in advance was coming and did nothing to stop it)... that killed around 1,200 jews. Appalling? Sure, both sides.
Now you see why I wish these goofy hypocrites would discuss their mythologies elsewhere... ??
I can understand your frustration. Christians, if any are involved in politics, have been slow to apply their beliefs, ethics, and Biblical principles to the sordid business of politics. Churches can be sordid themselves, too, so there's that. Then you have all the bizarre eschatological theories, around which some have built their entire religion.
In college I shut all of this out and read the Bible to see if there is anything to Christianity at all, which I seriously doubted. I found out the problems lie in ourselves, not in God. Yes, people were being ridiculous, and about so many vitally important things. But that doesn't mean I would have to be that way. I could get it back on track. Such is the intemperate, idealistic optimism of the young. Of course no one can live up to their own standards, let alone the high standards set by a perfect God. We all fail in different ways, but we do fail. But God can work with that. His plan is perfect, and it requires no striving or putting together a puzzle where most of the pieces are missing. God freely gives new life, mercy, and forgiveness to all who accept it as a gift made available through the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ.
Some people don't like the fact that there's only one way to God, but seriously no one needs more than that. If a cafeteria-style assortment of religions and gods were available for us all to choose from, we then become our own gods -- and of course mess everything up again and wind up bombing each other, killing, stealing, etc.
The point I make is that there ARE a cafeteria-style assortment of religions and gods that are available for us all to choose from... not only the usual suspects, judaism, christianity, islam (each of which has several to MANY significant variations within, different sects, etc), buddhism, hinduism... native American tribal mythology, shintoism... on and on...
YOU seem to have the similar arrogance (sorry, it IS arrogance) to claim that it is a FACT that there is only one way to "God"... YOUR way. Do all of the rest of the many billions of humans burn in hellfire? Do you realize that the "bible" which you follow (his "plan"?), who knows which of MANY versions you use... has been revised again and again, books added and deleted and the translations of the original writings that became the "bible"... have been massively corrupted for the purpose of power and control over the "sheep"?
Read Biglino's "The Naked Bible"... he translates those original writings... and I strongly assume... that even if you deign to read it... you will deny it any credibility whatsoever... and cling with great fervor and anger... to the mythology that YOU have chosen... and steadfastly deny and condemn all others.... just like THEY do to YOURS... and as you say... "of course mess everything up again and wind up bombing each other, killing, etc..."
Are we still pals? 😉 💕
It's not my way. It's God's way. He created the universe. He specified a way of reconciliation. To me, it's more than arrogant to say, "No, I don't like that way! It's too narrow! I want 17 more ways, so I can choose, and I'd prefer one that lets me do things MY way." You have the ability to reject the path offered to you. It's entirely your choice.
Understand that the Bible doesn't say things or instruct us to do things a certain way in order to be arbitrary and overbearing, but because it's the truth. If you follow this way of living, your life will be much better because God guides you away from the things that destroy you. I can reject the law of gravity, for example, and I will still splatter myself all over the pavement if I jump off a tall building. The reaction to a warning not to jump should not be, "Who are you to tell me what to do, bigot?" but "Thanks for telling me."
Without being tedious, I have studied the efforts to pick apart the Bible. It's a historical document. It wasn't originally written in English, so it does require translation. Our translating skills have improved over the centuries, and that's why different versions emerge. The English language itself has evolved, to the point that few people still say things like "thee" and thou,," even though that was normal when King James provided a translation. All these differences have not changed the "guts" of the Bible, though, just clarified some details. It's an ancient document, and has been authenticated more than most.
As you know, there's not much that is susceptible of "absolute" proof. Even courts use standards such as "more probable than not" in civil cases and "beyond a reasonable doubt" in criminal cases. So many things in life require faith, such as sitting in a chair and believing, with no evidence, that it won't collapse; eating food in a restaurant and assuming it isn't poisoned; driving a car and trusting that other drivers won't run into your head-on. I make my best judgment based on available facts.
As far as Hell, no one has to go there. It's your choice, and if you don't believe it exists, you have nothing at all to be concerned about. No one "sends" you there. God doesn't want you there, and I don't either.
Of course we're friends!
I'm not sure you realize that you are supporting my point... you claim to have the ONLY truth... the only path, the only "way of reconciliation". You must realize, that the many billions that believe that THEY have the only truth think that YOU are just as deluded as you think THEY are!
Odd that "God" would allow such confusion... no? Do you think those billions of people devout and strong in THEIR beliefs, which are totally opposed to YOUR beliefs... are all what, evil? confused? Misled by "Satan"?? Bound for eternal damnation?
And Hell is a choice... follow YOUR path or burn? So many billions headed to the pit, eh? WOW! Is the Book of Mormon scripture? How about the Gnostic Gospels? Both "christian", yes? Are Jews hell-bound? They do not believe in your ONE path to salvation... right?
You claim that the bible is an historical document... perhaps the old testament does have many stories that can be tied to geographical areas... but why not read Biglino and see what an experienced translator came up with? Then you can point out where you disagree... even scoff at him... surely your faith is strong enough to withstand another's translation of the original "scriptures"? Which are now, in a far different form... your "bible"?
https://zoboko.com/read/the-naked-bible-xwp818yn?hash=f8d3715d54335e6d8f2f145744f65616
Glad we can still be pals... Pray for me, just in case your beliefs are correct and my lack of firm belief is damning!
Do you think the majority is always right? We just take a vote and the minority will always be wrong? Maybe I should get more yard signs so I can increase the popularity of truth.
Do you believe in the existence of absolutes? I believe I can't change the truth just because it isn't popular enough. I didn't take the covid vax, either, and it didn't bother me at all that almost no one agreed with me.
Yes, there is ONE way, whether anyone else believes it or not -- but I'm not the only person who thinks so. If I'm drowning and someone throws me a life preserver, I'm not going to start complaining about the design, the material, the brand, and the color, and why a wider selection wasn't presented so I could choose one that's more to my liking.
I read a lot, and right now I have a big stack ahead of the one you think I should read. I'll get to it, but I can't tell you when.
I wonder about your basic assumptions. Do you believe there is a God? Or is this just a fictional character we can make up like characters in a novel?
You have mentioned Hell several times. Do you believe in Hell? Do you believe in Heaven?
I don't think you'd like Heaven, because it would be full of people who believe everything you disagree with. But you do have that option. One fact about his design of the universe is that God left human beings with free will. Hell (whether or not you believe in it) isn't what God wants for you.
Please point out where I said anything to the contrary.
Simple, isn't it? Yet a "red pill" so hard to swallow for those who have spent their entire lives in the dispensational matrix.
It is the people and the Land that have His everlasting Covenant. Not their government.
Indeed. Humans are often entranced by buzzwords and slaves to seemingly magic syllables. A disturbing trait. Cf. "safe and effective." Taking the word for reality.
Well we'll agree to disagree about the modern state of Israel. Other than that and eschatology we probably agree on everything else.
On the contrary, dispensationalists are VERY serious Bible scholars when it comes to interpreting the Word within the framework of their dispensational assumptions. For those who have spent their whole lives in that framework of the dispensational matrix, it is a very hard thing indeed for them to swallow the red pill. Every time I present a substantive statement to the contrary, no one ever interacts with my position in any substantive manner. That tells me they do not have a Biblically based rational why my position is wrong, only that they prefer to remain in the matrix because that is simply what they want. The disingenuous weak reed of "Apparently you were hurt..." is not a valid argument.
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The church became accustomed to speeches from the holy men on Sundays and a sprinkling of entertainment. It was all about education. Members stuffed their minds with knowledge gleaned from speakers, books, and footnotes. That model has failed because Christianity is trying to relegate itself to the status of a Western religion. Perhaps one day the churches will be like the originals and not lecture halls. There are exceptions, I know.
Agreed.
I’m not at all relating to your imagining that I’m in some matrix and need some red pills.
“In Christ alone, my hope is found…here in the love of Christ, I stand.
Maybe you have a matrix problem. I’m free in Jesus.
There is a huge difference between the Jews and the Zionists. The latter are demonic, IMHO.
It depends very much what you mean by "Zionists", because it seems everyone has their own definition of what that word means.
For instance: according to Hamas, if you think Israel should be allowed to continue existing and not be wiped off the map, you are a "Zionist".
By Zionists, you are referring to the Khazarians?
You're lost, Spirit.
Not lost, just mislead.
Some of the best people I know are on that side excursion. It's familiar enough that I've heard everything that could be said. It has seemed to me at times that the focus is more on Israel and Scofield's tale about the end times than on other, more useful lines of inquiry.
Exactly, some great brothers and sisters in Christ. But their vision in this particular regard is very truncated and captured by the decades long matrix of the "end times" narrative. Taking that red pill is exceedingly difficult to the mind. When I began my journey out of that matrix over 40 years ago, I ended up having to take a number red pills to complete the journey... which I suppose I'm still on. In the end, the whole end times narrative is a distraction from Biblical Christianity and divisive of the central tenets of the faith, sidelining the Church as a force in the culture and society. I suppose that is the whole point.
I believe there will be and is a slow awakening going on in the church as a result of the disintegration of our culture. As society deteriorates, people are going to realize that the end times narrative does not offer any real solution to what is happening, not even the "any day now" rapture escape. Contrary to that, Paul said of Christ's kingdom in 1 Cor 15, "25 For He must reign till He has put all enemies under His feet. 26 The last enemy that will be destroyed is death." Having ascended to the throne, Christ is ruling and reigning now through His body on earth as we are empowered by the indwelling of the Holy Spirit.
I completely agree. It seems that Scofieldism was embraced widely in WW2 as people tried to make sense of everything and fear abounded. I was shown a chart of the "end times" that looks like a schematic of an internal combustion engine. The good news is simple enough for everyone to understand. I don't think we are supposed to piece together bits and pieces of the Bible to figure out what Jesus said is unknown. Matt. 24:36. We are about to see in the church a "great awakening" like we are seeing in the entire country. Many churches won't survive it unless they are willing to let go of the cold ashes of their traditions and let God light his fire in them.
Good point. The trauma of WWII still dwarfs even the trauma of today. Look up how many people died as a result of WWII. Incomprehensible.
There's something eerily familiar about a country claiming racial superiority so they can take the land and property of their inferiors. "Lebensraum" is what they called it. Isn't that what Israel wants, too? Did anyone learn anything from history?
Then we have our own government surreptitiously editing the genes of everyone from babies to old people living in nursing homes. Sometimes I feel like I am living in the 4th Rike (phonetic spelling).
You are completely mischaracterizing Christians, who are looking at the signs of the times and are in hopeful expectation of the return of Christ.
Jesus told us what signs to look for. Scripture instructs us to always be ready.
That doesn’t mean we don’t live responsible lives and participate in the well being of our communities. To say that we don’t work to have the Church be a force in the culture and society is wrong and unfair to millions of us.
Do you even believe there’s going to be a second return of Christ, or do you think that’s already fulfilled too?
You look demonic, Chucky. Might want to look into an exorcism.
And you look retarded, Spirit. Might want to look into getting a clue.
Clearly demonic
Clearly idiotic.
Sadly demonic
Still going?
Ah yes. Dispensationalism. Also Replacement Theology. The ‘church’ is filled with many false doctrines and pagan practices.
I pray my children’s eyes open to the Truth that can only be found in His Word.
Best to check for a log in one's eye before trying to remove the mote from your brother's eye.
Hmmm…..that’s interesting since you and Aloha just did that exact thing. Exactly that.
I understand your perspective on that.
I am aligned with your comment in that dispensationalism appears by design to make chopped liver out of Scripture. That is, dispensationalism is a kind of Scriptural Woke before the term was even known or thought of. Further more, my view is that Scofield with purpose was 'an operation' designed to weaken whatever was left of traditional Christian Faith doctrine by fracturing the continuity of Scripture. In some circles, the program was and still remains this, liquidate all Christian practice by any means possible.
Also, I looked into Scofield and the New York faux-Semitic lawyer Untermeyer. Regarding this, here is another bizarre story of a man (Scofield) who comes out of nowhere, appears to have no visible means of support yet goes everywhere ... and somehow manages to get published in the prestigious Cambridge Press instantly no problems. It the kind of story I have seen before quite a few times, that of a No Where Man who suddenly like magic appears out of No Where and lands feet first in the pages of history, like certain political figures who get paid some $400,000 a year but end up owning multi-million dollar mansions on little islands and manage some how to have net worths in the millions. My! How do such things happen. How does that little trick work?
Advertising tricks do not fare well on me. For example, drawing a thread to doing well with women to a certain product be hawked never did overly impress me. Similarly, drawing Biblical threads to a certain state run by people of largely non-Semitic but instead Turkomen origins who commit large scale genocide and milk the US Treasury dry using a lobby which should by all rights be required to register as 'foreign agent', this also does not overly impress me. Nor does blind support of anything.
Well said. The modern state of Israel was funded by the Rothschilds. The NWO wants to rein from Jerusalem. The KJV is hard to read, and that's probably driven some people to the Scofield footnotes to figure out what it means.
yes, our globalist enemies are HQ d in Israel AND Ukraine.
Our government has thrown in with the global renegades who want us to eat crickets, so include Washington D.C. in that.
And Switzerland.
Try the New King James or the 21st Century King James for readability.
I started out with the RSV, then went to the NIV, and now I use the NLT. But they're all good!
Reality! This has been the program to side-line and destroy Christianity since the founding of this country. We are now at the end game point where push comes to shove.
What hypocrisy.
Two thousand two hundred American soldiers were killed at Pearl Harbor, we went and killed 3.5 million Japanese, including 100,000 in one night. 2,800 Americans on September 11. We went and killed 400,000 people in Afghanistan and Iraq. We were not accused of genocide.
Hypocrisy? Really? We may not have been accused of genocide but a rose by any other name is still a rose.
And yet you have never accused the US of genocide.
Below is my comment from April 26. Referencing WWII and subsequent wars, what I described is genocide. Furthermore, I have repeatedly stated that the plandemic was and is a military campaign of the USG DoD of democide/genocide of America and the rest of the West.......................
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SOVEREIGN IMMUNITY:
And here is the crux of the whole matter which Childers only touched on. I don't have the bandwidth to fully address this but I do recognize the problem. Sovereign immunity means there is NO ACCOUNTABILITY for the actions of our top leadership, particularly the POTUS. This means there is NO LAW that governs their behavior.
The solution to this conundrum provided by the writers of the Constitution was the Senate who represented the will of the separate individual sovereign States. This check was done away with in 1913 by the Seventeenth Amendment which provided for the direct election of Senators just like the rest of Congress. Coincidentally, this was the same year the Federal Reserve was established which removed the people's check on Federal spending power. Not a coincidence!
The last time the nation addressed the accountability of Government to a higher power or sovereign was the Declaration of Independence which clearly stated that the State is subject to the Creator of the universe and His Law. Upon this basis, the founding fathers based their right to reject the rule of a despotic government and declare their compact with that government null and void. The failing of the Constitution was not addressing this and providing no mechanism for holding the Fed Gov't accountable to God's Law.
Thus we find ourselves at the point where the "sovereign" USG can bomb into extinction entire civilian populations in WWII, which we did in both Japan and Europe and in nearly every subsequent war they got us involved in, without any repercussions. And now we find ourselves the object of a war being waged upon the American people by the Dept of Defense who are killing us through a medical intervention all enabled and justified under Military Law.
This is the meaning of Sovereign Immunity. There is NO restraint upon the actions of the USG either abroad or at home. Nor is there any possibility of reversing the trends Claude A.I. described.
This is also why our Marxist regime is beginning a narrative to pigeon-hole Christian Nationalism, and all Christianity, as a terrorist threat. This is the reason the Romans crucified Jesus. Jesus said to give unto Caesar that which is Caesar's and to give unto God that which is God's. In Roman law, Caesar own everything and as such Caesar was god. What Jesus said was sedition and treason. And the state killed Him for it.
Im not taking the side of the government in Israel. I have stated in almost all the comments I have made. His Covenant is with the People and the Land.
And if we are grafted into that Olive Tree, we inherit the promises both good and bad. But if we boast against the branches of that tree into which we have been grafted? One of those promises is that He can cut us off.
The People and the Land.
Not the government.
I agree with what you posted.
His divorced Israel for a time, then went back to calling her His Beloved.
When big scriptural ideas make me scratch my
head, I try taking it down to a far smaller bite.
In this case, I think if it as a relatively happily married couple or a parent/child relationship. You may have a huge disagreement or grievance but at the end of the day (or week, LOL!) you come back together.
In your married couple instance, suppose one party had already remarried. That's what ancient Israel did. They were worshipping Baal, and whatever other diety-of-the-month they could find in Canaan.
The book of Hosea tells of the accounts of an adulterous wife (Israel) and a faithful husband (God) and all through Hosea's wife a-whoring ways, he remains married to her under God's guidance.
God has not forsaken Israel, no matter what gods they've chosen to follow. God is faithful to His word, His ways and will NEVER forsake her.
As Jeremiah 31:35-36 states, "Thus says the LORD, who gives the sun for light by day, who sets in order the moon and stars for light by night, who stirs up the sea so that its waves roar—the LORD of Hosts is His name: 36“Only if this fixed order departed from My presence,
declares the LORD, would Israel’s descendants ever cease
to be a nation before Me.”
I understand what you're saying. Technically, Israel forsake God. I agree that he never gives up on anyone.
I think many are confusing people's hate for Israel as hate for their government. It has nothing to do with their peoples, but rather their murderous government.
although it is really up to the Israelis to protest their evil government
And what about our murderous government?
What about it? I'm not a fan of our murderous gov either.... Or any other for that matter.
The American govt has a historical record of oppressing, alienating, and murdering entire groups of people who don’t align with ‘her views.’ When will boomers realize that WE are the bad guys in all scenarios? It’s like they don’t even see the truth right in front of them!
As a Boomer, I endorse your comment.
I don’t consider you a Boomer, Phil. You may qualify with your birthdate, but your discernment sets you apart.
I know, it is frustrating.....sigh. Since Mao, the US by far and away is the global leader in death, injury, and displacement of others.
Sadly true. Sadly because I'm an American.
as it is up to us! As the Students are doing ;)
If they were really students. But most are not. Most are paid actors. Paid to stir up chaos all summer.
Like Aloha, I grew up in dispensational churches. That's how I was taught. And "simply hating Israel" was something I was never exposed to. Like most people of my generation, I had nothing but sympathy for Israel. Your either/or is a non-starter. I came to a fuller understanding of God's covenant through an intensive self-study of His entire Word by self-consciously approaching the Word without any preconceived ideas relying only on the promise that if asked the Holy Spirit will open the Word to you. When I was finished, I then examined everything I had been taught and believed in light of what I had learned with only the guidance of the Holy Spirit. I had to swallow a number of "red pills". It was only later that I learned of the "short" history of dispensational theology.
If you want to understand His love, understand His covenant. Jesus and Paul spent a great deal of effort explaining this.