Thanks LuAnne. I do wonder, for the lower income among us, of which I am one, whether the outcomes of unplanned pregnancies are left more to the woman, than in middle class and upper class situations. How many low income people can afford either 'the pill' (bad for humans though) or vasomecties, for instance? As for affording condoms, …
Thanks LuAnne. I do wonder, for the lower income among us, of which I am one, whether the outcomes of unplanned pregnancies are left more to the woman, than in middle class and upper class situations. How many low income people can afford either 'the pill' (bad for humans though) or vasomecties, for instance? As for affording condoms, the same issue but often falling to the fella. I think you may see where I am going here, essentially lower income people end up with more unplanned pregnancies and less ability, monetarily, to support children. Perhaps once you walk a mile in those shoes you may see abortion access has more importance for lower income people. At this point, given this is a geno-demo-iatrogenocide, we may 'need all the babies we can get' so to speak, but the economic realities persist. Telling a woman she has to put her baby up for adoption is not something I feel I have the right to do, it is a personal decision. On a related topic, here is an interesting article at Retraction Watch involving an article on how imposed (not allowed to be aborted) pregnancies may affect a woman. https://retractionwatch.com/2022/11/09/author-critical-of-study-involving-abortion-hires-lawyers-after-journal-flags-paper/
Since 1973 and around 65 million babies killed not one social ill has been cured by abortion. Poor does not mean you can’t raise a baby. Do some research into the size of families during the depression era.
How about all the poor having more children to increase their mail box money? How about Medicaid, welfare?
While volunteering 10 years for a pregnancy resource center 98% of the women that walked through the door were poor. Once they were able to see their baby on a screen 85-90% of them decided not to have an abortion.
Most of the reasons they gave for abortion were based on the inconvenience of pregnancy. I don’t remember more than a few citing poverty being a problem. They themselves were raised in poverty and none of them wished their mother had killed them.
There are too many resources available to use poverty to keep abortion legal. I raised three children by myself in poverty. Poverty does does not justify murder.
I have personally walked in those shoes. I can personally tell you how it affected me. I had my first child when I was barely 17. No money, still in HS, no family support, no help. And...this was many years ago when the stigma and judgement of pregnancy before marriage was not what it is today. According to everyone in my life at that time, abortion was my only option. Some of them were even people who claimed to be Christians. They were ALL wrong. Today, my daughter is a beautiful, kind, smart, and loving woman who enriched my life tremendously. She and her husband went on to adopt their 2 daughters, my grandchildren, who are now beautiful young ladies.
Believe it or not, there are way worse things in life than an unplanned pregnancy. It's not a cancer to be cut out. It's not a life long prison sentence. It's not the end of a woman's life.
I now help support a few organizations that financially assist women in need. Women, who have chosen to keep their babies. Not only with meaningful financial assistance but other services as well such as housing, transportation, counseling, etc.
Me too. Teenage mom here, when it wasn’t cool. Got counsel from several members of the church to ‘get rid’ of my sin. I chose to keep my baby. It was hard, but ultimately I know that although I made the choice of self sacrifice over sacrificing my baby, there are those in my circle who did abort their children go on to have live births and realize that having an abortion was the biggest mistake of their life.
I’m so sickened that members of the church counseled you to abort. You are courageous and I applaud you for choosing to do what was right in the face of shameful advice. I give you a standing ovation and much respect for doing the right thing even though it would be difficult.
Amen! 35 years ago, when I first became involved in the pro-life movement, we had a woman who came to us who had aborted 8 pregnancies. Her first one was a coercion by her father, a Baptist pastor. Being raised in a Christian home, it was mind boggling to me a pastor would do such a thing. She came to live with us for a week while we were finding a home for her to go to. I have never met anyone who had such a low self-esteem. The good news is her baby was adopted by our associate pastor and his wife.
Your story is so moving and inspiring LuAnne, I admire you more than I can say for not doing what seemed easier but what was right. That shows a lot of character.
I love the way you frame the issue as not a prison sentence or the end of a woman’s life. That is part of the problem, too many people DO frame it this way and it is widely accepted as truth. I also love how you are now working to support women in need and help making this choice easier for them.
Thank you! I know women who've had abortions and while it seemed like an easy and immediate solution, they deeply regret it. Such a difficult burden to carry. No one talks about this reality.
This is so true! In the 1980's, we had an older woman in our church who had an abortion many years earlier when it was illegal. The guilt and shame that she still carried was incredible. Thankfully, she finally found the forgiveness of Jesus.
Only rape potentially imposes pregnancy on anyone (incest is rape), so all other pregnancies happen because of a choice made by a woman. Birth control, in many forms, is free through these United States. Murder by abortion is a human’s choice of death to another human; putting a child up for adoption is a choice of life for another human. All are choices. Stop giving people the “victim card” for their bad choices.
And with rape the criminal should be dealt with harshly, not the innocent baby. Abortion gives the rape victim two horrible things from which to recover, doubles her trauma.
The impact on women who undergo abortions - emotional, mental, spiritual, physical - cannot be undersold. A lifetime of regret, the memories rekindled every time she sees a baby or child of any age.
I recently learned of a non-profit in my area whose sole purpose is counseling and support to help women who have had abortions overcome the tremendous guilt and angst they face, sometimes years and decades post abortion. The woman who leads it says that getting media attention, or any attention, period, for this issue is very hard, not surprising given the media slant in favor of PP. A friend of a friend who had 2 abortions in college was in a traffic accident in her mid 20's with injuries that left her unable to have children. She was a raging alcoholic for over a decade trying to mask the pain of the regret, but eventually found God and is now a vocal advocate for life.
Too often, what is left out of the abortion debate, is that most women of child bearing age ARE young, lacking in life experiences, and who among us did make at least one stupid decision in their teens and 20's? Fortunately for me, none of the dumb things I did resulted in life-altering consequences, but I cannot condemn others who are living with regret.
I was a 19 year old college student when Planned parenthood told me it was just a blob of tissue. My life was a total disaster but I’m so thankful I kept that “blob of tissue” and he’s happy to be alive with a wife and two children. He survived the brokenness of his youth. I’m thankful for my stupid mistake.
Love your story. I think this is why we will never be able to have a rational discussion about the abortion issue. As nearly everyone views that issue from the lens of their personal experience, or the experiences of loved ones. Had I gotten pregnant at 19 I honestly have NO IDEA what I would have done. I was self centered rebellious brat. It was not until I had my first child at 25 that I really and truly became 'pro-life'. But I was not abused, in a dysfunctional relationship, addicted to drugs, or homeless - all lenses that can color our vision and that we can't understand unless we have been there. Regardless of our stance, I do think giving each other a little grace is in order vs labeling each other and name calling.
I agree whole-heartedly. While I am pro-choice, the left is incredibly dishonest about this issue. I also believe that women that have had an abortion will subconsciously due to hormones etc "want" a baby and have an "accident" and then end up getting another abortion. Like many political issues both sides hold on to one side of the "truth" when the reality is much much more complex.
I live in a small town in a very conservative state. There's a woman's health clinic that puts out free condoms every Friday. Of course, they're near the high school so you probably have to be quick to get any. But the lead nurse there says that on Monday, the bucket is empty.
It seems all of the 'options' are for the woman to use, and are chemically dangerous for prolonged use. Good old rubbers only for the men. So I would assume that most of the abortive 'stuff' they present (most expensive first of course) is laced with chemicals that will not only prevent one pregnancy, but create a sterilization situation in the women. This happened to my sister, repeated use of 'the pill' (1970s to 1980s) messed her up for any actual pregnancies. Oops, seems Bill Gates Eugenics is everywhere, all the time.
Every girl/woman has the choice to close her legs and abstain. Society started dictating a long time ago what is expected of girls/women. We fell into the trap of assuming and expecting young people to have sex because they felt like it. It was pushed on them in every way possible. It was all part of the evil agenda to dismantle the family and convince women and men that murdering their unborn child was perfectly acceptable behavior, and not murder. It was the same kind of lie that the serpent told Eve when she took a bite of the fruit in the beginning. Same thing. Tell a lie, twist it, manipulate it to sound okay, and then use it to destroy the person who believes it. The serpent has been lying to mankind ever since. There is a free will that every single female has that was given since the beginning of creation - the freedom of choice. We can blame society and hormones and financial disparity or we can own up to it. It was a lie that a baby is just a blob of tissue. It was a lie that the baby doesn’t feel a thing. It was a lie that getting pregnant isn’t your fault. It was a lie that you can thwart the consequences of your own choices. It was a lie that people don’t have to be responsible for their own decisions. It was a lie that having sex outside of marriage is expected and glamorous. It was a lie that there are no repercussions to murdering an un unborn child. It was a lie that abortion is not murder. It has all been a lie. And we slurped it up to avoid the consequences of our choices, all of our actions over the decades and centuries. The sooner we call this what it is and quit blaming sex, finances, and everything else for our choices the sooner we change things. Until then, it will be a lie hellbent on destroying us. And it’s working. Quite well too. I’m sure the serpent has a smile on his face every time someone murders their unborn child.
The other reality is that the women who tend to be most promiscuous AND careless about birth control are those who were sexually abused as children. Often with serious clinical diagnoses like Borderline Personality Disorder. It is very unfortunate for all involved but it would be better for deeply traumatized women like this not to have children imho at least until they have healed enough not to pass the same trauma onto their children. I was an unwanted child and I would not wish that on anyone. The abortion issue is much more complex and nuanced than advocates for and against want to admit. My view as of now; pro-life advocates are right in theory but reality is not as utopian as they would like to believe.
The utopian idea is that implementing strict prolife policies would not have a devastating effect. It would. A pro-life argument could be that it's worth it.
I keep reminding myself, the jabs are as or more effective at birth control than the other methods., and both woman and men have had them in great number. Our arguments are a bit moot now, perhaps.
I sincerely hope that every prolife person gets to have their baby in health or adopt a baby that the mother chose to give up. As for their right to push that on others, no bueno. Not my or your choice is appropriate for another person.
1. There are thousands of willing parents waiting to adopt for every child that is put up for adoption. I know - my wife and I are waiting to adopt after raising 5 wonderful kids.
2. I have not only the RIGHT to oppose killing innocent utterly defenseless children, but the DUTY to do so.
3. Every single life starts at conception, with an utterly unique human DNA sequence that is not the mother's or the father's, but an entirely new person.
Many in the prolife movement have adopted babies such as myself. There are miles long lines of couples waiting to adopt. But why make it so complicated. It’s really simple that no matter what we shouldn’t allow the murder of babies. They did that in Old Testament scripture and it didn’t go well for them.
When things become about money...which is always. That money of yours and mine will get spent on daycare and other services for that child, but that may be preferable even though it will be more money, in the end. So we end all gov support for low income, I would support that, I guess. But your logic about saving your money does not quite pan out as I see it.
If your choice is to kill another human, sorry, don't agree it's not appropriate "to push that on others"...murder is not an choice in any society. Claiming it's not murder until birth is to ignore the obvious...no abortion will result in a human baby.
I didn't say anything about "saving" money. In fact, if you read my earlier comment, I donate quite a bit of money to organizations that financially assist women in need. For me, and I suspect many others, this doesn't have anything to do with money. I'm all for helping women & children but I don't want my money to pay for murdering children. Why is that hard for you to understand? Stop using "low income" as a crutch. People don't need money to be morally responsible.
That makes sense, sorry if I missed that. I was just trying to acknowledge that income disparities are important to consider; some have fewer options as others esp wrt this topic of abortion. As for morally responsible, what someone else chooses I think they have a right to choose without moral condemnation. I can have hopes/prayers they will do one or the other thing, but can't speak to judging them morally one way or another as having made a bad choice.
Judging is God's job, not mine. He instructs us to love one another but He also wants us to call out evil.
God’s Word says, “Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, before you were born I set you apart” (Jer. 1:5). Psalm 139:16 says, “Your eyes saw my unformed body. All the days ordained for me were written in Your book before one of them came to be.”
As followers of Jesus Christ, we are commanded to call out sin. This isn't "judging". Tearing apart a baby in the womb is murder, which is a sin, plain and simple.
Apparently not since you have no problem dismembering the body of the baby.
A child in utero is a separate human person. People act like it's the woman's body, but it isn't. It is another person's body, with separate DNA from the mother.
So the pro-life position is the *actual* bodily autonomy position. After all, no one is trying to invade the mother's body - they're trying to protect the defenseless baby's body.
Womans body, womans right to choose. I am so glad for you that you can choose to have your baby, but you or I do not get to decide for anyone else. You can feel about it however you like.
I've worked in the addiction recovery field and my experience is that addiction is rooted in trauma and often addicted and personality disturbed people lose their free will to a large degree. Healing is possible and spiritual principles like restraint are part of that healing but it is not as simple as people who have not experienced addiction usually understand. I'm not arguing that you are wrong but that healing underlying issues is necessary for some before they are able to.
Pretty sure that there's a company called Planned Parenthood that will help with such things as family planning, I e. contraception, and that is primarily located in low income areas. Of course, they make truckloads of money off abortion, but I'm sure it's just a coincidence as to why they don't trumpet prevention, but rather hard sell the 'cure'...
Oh, it's a nasty organization, alright. I was being (kind of) sarcastic about them, but they do offer birth control, although it is kept relatively quiet, so as not disrupt the cash cow that is abortion for them
You mean the part about it being founded by Margaret Sanger, who openly supported eugenics to eliminate blacks, the poor, and other "human weeds", as she called them?
Abby Johnson used to be the Director of the largest PP in TX before repenting and starting a Pro-Life organization. She says that PP focuses on abortion because it's a huge money-maker. They provide birth control only to promote sexual promiscuity, knowing that eventually it will fail and the women will want an abortion. Look her up! :-)
Actually, no, according to statistics, which indicate that over 50% of abortions occur after no birth control was used. In other words, abortion IS their birth control.
Wow, I did not know that statistic. That's pretty intense. I don't want to ban abortion altogether right now but that is a horrible stat. The MSM is doing quite a number on our young people. I commit to doing what I can to turn it around but this generation has been propagandized to so much. My daughter is 20, but she was homeschooled, so very different than many of her peers.
Woman who are not mentally or emotionally challenged or addicts use the Plan B you are talking about if they have unprotected intercourse. If it is a failure of birth control, one wouldn't know until too late for day after pill.
And the woman most likely to be careless are the woman most likely to be terrible mothers. It's just an inconvenient fact.
Thanks LuAnne. I do wonder, for the lower income among us, of which I am one, whether the outcomes of unplanned pregnancies are left more to the woman, than in middle class and upper class situations. How many low income people can afford either 'the pill' (bad for humans though) or vasomecties, for instance? As for affording condoms, the same issue but often falling to the fella. I think you may see where I am going here, essentially lower income people end up with more unplanned pregnancies and less ability, monetarily, to support children. Perhaps once you walk a mile in those shoes you may see abortion access has more importance for lower income people. At this point, given this is a geno-demo-iatrogenocide, we may 'need all the babies we can get' so to speak, but the economic realities persist. Telling a woman she has to put her baby up for adoption is not something I feel I have the right to do, it is a personal decision. On a related topic, here is an interesting article at Retraction Watch involving an article on how imposed (not allowed to be aborted) pregnancies may affect a woman. https://retractionwatch.com/2022/11/09/author-critical-of-study-involving-abortion-hires-lawyers-after-journal-flags-paper/
Since 1973 and around 65 million babies killed not one social ill has been cured by abortion. Poor does not mean you can’t raise a baby. Do some research into the size of families during the depression era.
How about all the poor having more children to increase their mail box money? How about Medicaid, welfare?
While volunteering 10 years for a pregnancy resource center 98% of the women that walked through the door were poor. Once they were able to see their baby on a screen 85-90% of them decided not to have an abortion.
Most of the reasons they gave for abortion were based on the inconvenience of pregnancy. I don’t remember more than a few citing poverty being a problem. They themselves were raised in poverty and none of them wished their mother had killed them.
There are too many resources available to use poverty to keep abortion legal. I raised three children by myself in poverty. Poverty does does not justify murder.
I have personally walked in those shoes. I can personally tell you how it affected me. I had my first child when I was barely 17. No money, still in HS, no family support, no help. And...this was many years ago when the stigma and judgement of pregnancy before marriage was not what it is today. According to everyone in my life at that time, abortion was my only option. Some of them were even people who claimed to be Christians. They were ALL wrong. Today, my daughter is a beautiful, kind, smart, and loving woman who enriched my life tremendously. She and her husband went on to adopt their 2 daughters, my grandchildren, who are now beautiful young ladies.
Believe it or not, there are way worse things in life than an unplanned pregnancy. It's not a cancer to be cut out. It's not a life long prison sentence. It's not the end of a woman's life.
I now help support a few organizations that financially assist women in need. Women, who have chosen to keep their babies. Not only with meaningful financial assistance but other services as well such as housing, transportation, counseling, etc.
God blessed your child for your bravery.
Amen
Me too. Teenage mom here, when it wasn’t cool. Got counsel from several members of the church to ‘get rid’ of my sin. I chose to keep my baby. It was hard, but ultimately I know that although I made the choice of self sacrifice over sacrificing my baby, there are those in my circle who did abort their children go on to have live births and realize that having an abortion was the biggest mistake of their life.
I’m so sickened that members of the church counseled you to abort. You are courageous and I applaud you for choosing to do what was right in the face of shameful advice. I give you a standing ovation and much respect for doing the right thing even though it would be difficult.
Amen! 35 years ago, when I first became involved in the pro-life movement, we had a woman who came to us who had aborted 8 pregnancies. Her first one was a coercion by her father, a Baptist pastor. Being raised in a Christian home, it was mind boggling to me a pastor would do such a thing. She came to live with us for a week while we were finding a home for her to go to. I have never met anyone who had such a low self-esteem. The good news is her baby was adopted by our associate pastor and his wife.
I admire that so much, especially given the pressure and advice to choose otherwise.
Thank you for being courageous and doing the right thing against all odds. Your daughter is smiling today because of it.
Your story is so moving and inspiring LuAnne, I admire you more than I can say for not doing what seemed easier but what was right. That shows a lot of character.
I love the way you frame the issue as not a prison sentence or the end of a woman’s life. That is part of the problem, too many people DO frame it this way and it is widely accepted as truth. I also love how you are now working to support women in need and help making this choice easier for them.
Thank you! I know women who've had abortions and while it seemed like an easy and immediate solution, they deeply regret it. Such a difficult burden to carry. No one talks about this reality.
This is so true! In the 1980's, we had an older woman in our church who had an abortion many years earlier when it was illegal. The guilt and shame that she still carried was incredible. Thankfully, she finally found the forgiveness of Jesus.
Only rape potentially imposes pregnancy on anyone (incest is rape), so all other pregnancies happen because of a choice made by a woman. Birth control, in many forms, is free through these United States. Murder by abortion is a human’s choice of death to another human; putting a child up for adoption is a choice of life for another human. All are choices. Stop giving people the “victim card” for their bad choices.
And with rape the criminal should be dealt with harshly, not the innocent baby. Abortion gives the rape victim two horrible things from which to recover, doubles her trauma.
Yes! Excellently said! I'd like to copy/paste your comment to my Fuquebook wall if that's okay with you. Thanks!
The impact on women who undergo abortions - emotional, mental, spiritual, physical - cannot be undersold. A lifetime of regret, the memories rekindled every time she sees a baby or child of any age.
I recently learned of a non-profit in my area whose sole purpose is counseling and support to help women who have had abortions overcome the tremendous guilt and angst they face, sometimes years and decades post abortion. The woman who leads it says that getting media attention, or any attention, period, for this issue is very hard, not surprising given the media slant in favor of PP. A friend of a friend who had 2 abortions in college was in a traffic accident in her mid 20's with injuries that left her unable to have children. She was a raging alcoholic for over a decade trying to mask the pain of the regret, but eventually found God and is now a vocal advocate for life.
A group called "Rachel's Vineyard" helps post-abortive women heal from the trauma of abortion.
Too often, what is left out of the abortion debate, is that most women of child bearing age ARE young, lacking in life experiences, and who among us did make at least one stupid decision in their teens and 20's? Fortunately for me, none of the dumb things I did resulted in life-altering consequences, but I cannot condemn others who are living with regret.
My adopted child’s mother was 15.
I was a 19 year old college student when Planned parenthood told me it was just a blob of tissue. My life was a total disaster but I’m so thankful I kept that “blob of tissue” and he’s happy to be alive with a wife and two children. He survived the brokenness of his youth. I’m thankful for my stupid mistake.
Love your story. I think this is why we will never be able to have a rational discussion about the abortion issue. As nearly everyone views that issue from the lens of their personal experience, or the experiences of loved ones. Had I gotten pregnant at 19 I honestly have NO IDEA what I would have done. I was self centered rebellious brat. It was not until I had my first child at 25 that I really and truly became 'pro-life'. But I was not abused, in a dysfunctional relationship, addicted to drugs, or homeless - all lenses that can color our vision and that we can't understand unless we have been there. Regardless of our stance, I do think giving each other a little grace is in order vs labeling each other and name calling.
Such a sad story about your friend's early years, and how wonderful she found God and is fighting for the unborn!
I agree whole-heartedly. While I am pro-choice, the left is incredibly dishonest about this issue. I also believe that women that have had an abortion will subconsciously due to hormones etc "want" a baby and have an "accident" and then end up getting another abortion. Like many political issues both sides hold on to one side of the "truth" when the reality is much much more complex.
Don't local County Clinics give out free birth control to those who need/want them if they qualify?
I live in a small town in a very conservative state. There's a woman's health clinic that puts out free condoms every Friday. Of course, they're near the high school so you probably have to be quick to get any. But the lead nurse there says that on Monday, the bucket is empty.
Thanks Ellen K...searched my area, 97217, and found a confusing array of sites, mostly Planned parenthood. link https://www.plannedparenthood.org/learn/birth-control
It seems all of the 'options' are for the woman to use, and are chemically dangerous for prolonged use. Good old rubbers only for the men. So I would assume that most of the abortive 'stuff' they present (most expensive first of course) is laced with chemicals that will not only prevent one pregnancy, but create a sterilization situation in the women. This happened to my sister, repeated use of 'the pill' (1970s to 1980s) messed her up for any actual pregnancies. Oops, seems Bill Gates Eugenics is everywhere, all the time.
Has everyone just plain forgotten about ABSTINENCE??
Yes.
Most high schools offer free birth control. And will arrange for abortions without parental consent or awareness!!
Every girl/woman has the choice to close her legs and abstain. Society started dictating a long time ago what is expected of girls/women. We fell into the trap of assuming and expecting young people to have sex because they felt like it. It was pushed on them in every way possible. It was all part of the evil agenda to dismantle the family and convince women and men that murdering their unborn child was perfectly acceptable behavior, and not murder. It was the same kind of lie that the serpent told Eve when she took a bite of the fruit in the beginning. Same thing. Tell a lie, twist it, manipulate it to sound okay, and then use it to destroy the person who believes it. The serpent has been lying to mankind ever since. There is a free will that every single female has that was given since the beginning of creation - the freedom of choice. We can blame society and hormones and financial disparity or we can own up to it. It was a lie that a baby is just a blob of tissue. It was a lie that the baby doesn’t feel a thing. It was a lie that getting pregnant isn’t your fault. It was a lie that you can thwart the consequences of your own choices. It was a lie that people don’t have to be responsible for their own decisions. It was a lie that having sex outside of marriage is expected and glamorous. It was a lie that there are no repercussions to murdering an un unborn child. It was a lie that abortion is not murder. It has all been a lie. And we slurped it up to avoid the consequences of our choices, all of our actions over the decades and centuries. The sooner we call this what it is and quit blaming sex, finances, and everything else for our choices the sooner we change things. Until then, it will be a lie hellbent on destroying us. And it’s working. Quite well too. I’m sure the serpent has a smile on his face every time someone murders their unborn child.
Perfectly said!
That is it in a nutshell! Well stated!
The other reality is that the women who tend to be most promiscuous AND careless about birth control are those who were sexually abused as children. Often with serious clinical diagnoses like Borderline Personality Disorder. It is very unfortunate for all involved but it would be better for deeply traumatized women like this not to have children imho at least until they have healed enough not to pass the same trauma onto their children. I was an unwanted child and I would not wish that on anyone. The abortion issue is much more complex and nuanced than advocates for and against want to admit. My view as of now; pro-life advocates are right in theory but reality is not as utopian as they would like to believe.
Most prolife people don't operate under "theories" to create bogus "utopia's". They operate under God's word.
The utopian idea is that implementing strict prolife policies would not have a devastating effect. It would. A pro-life argument could be that it's worth it.
I keep reminding myself, the jabs are as or more effective at birth control than the other methods., and both woman and men have had them in great number. Our arguments are a bit moot now, perhaps.
I sincerely hope that every prolife person gets to have their baby in health or adopt a baby that the mother chose to give up. As for their right to push that on others, no bueno. Not my or your choice is appropriate for another person.
1. There are thousands of willing parents waiting to adopt for every child that is put up for adoption. I know - my wife and I are waiting to adopt after raising 5 wonderful kids.
2. I have not only the RIGHT to oppose killing innocent utterly defenseless children, but the DUTY to do so.
3. Every single life starts at conception, with an utterly unique human DNA sequence that is not the mother's or the father's, but an entirely new person.
Many in the prolife movement have adopted babies such as myself. There are miles long lines of couples waiting to adopt. But why make it so complicated. It’s really simple that no matter what we shouldn’t allow the murder of babies. They did that in Old Testament scripture and it didn’t go well for them.
I agree. If abortion is another woman's choice, that's fine except I don't want my hard earned tax $'s to fund someone else's bad decision.
When things become about money...which is always. That money of yours and mine will get spent on daycare and other services for that child, but that may be preferable even though it will be more money, in the end. So we end all gov support for low income, I would support that, I guess. But your logic about saving your money does not quite pan out as I see it.
If your choice is to kill another human, sorry, don't agree it's not appropriate "to push that on others"...murder is not an choice in any society. Claiming it's not murder until birth is to ignore the obvious...no abortion will result in a human baby.
I didn't say anything about "saving" money. In fact, if you read my earlier comment, I donate quite a bit of money to organizations that financially assist women in need. For me, and I suspect many others, this doesn't have anything to do with money. I'm all for helping women & children but I don't want my money to pay for murdering children. Why is that hard for you to understand? Stop using "low income" as a crutch. People don't need money to be morally responsible.
I get that. For me, I don't want my money to pay for murdering anyone! Life is sacred. Yet our wars continue on and on...
That makes sense, sorry if I missed that. I was just trying to acknowledge that income disparities are important to consider; some have fewer options as others esp wrt this topic of abortion. As for morally responsible, what someone else chooses I think they have a right to choose without moral condemnation. I can have hopes/prayers they will do one or the other thing, but can't speak to judging them morally one way or another as having made a bad choice.
Judging is God's job, not mine. He instructs us to love one another but He also wants us to call out evil.
God’s Word says, “Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, before you were born I set you apart” (Jer. 1:5). Psalm 139:16 says, “Your eyes saw my unformed body. All the days ordained for me were written in Your book before one of them came to be.”
As followers of Jesus Christ, we are commanded to call out sin. This isn't "judging". Tearing apart a baby in the womb is murder, which is a sin, plain and simple.
Amen! Truth not situation ethics!
Thank you PermieGeek, I am in agreement.
Abortion is barbaric - the worst possible form of murder.
I'm beginning to think we need to start prosecuting it as such. Thankfully, it is illegal in my state.
I totally support your right to say that.
I haven't had an abortion, so I really cannot
comment on it. How was it for you?
You cannot comment on murder because you haven't murdered anyone?
Do you demur taking a position on lynching if you haven't lynched anyone?
Just curious - what do you think about mass shootings? For or against, or no position because you haven't committed one of those either?
That's a weird position.
Bodily autonomy is my line in the sand.
I cannot dictate that against anyone,
regardless of their beliefs. I do not have to
like their choices and often do not.
Apparently not since you have no problem dismembering the body of the baby.
A child in utero is a separate human person. People act like it's the woman's body, but it isn't. It is another person's body, with separate DNA from the mother.
So the pro-life position is the *actual* bodily autonomy position. After all, no one is trying to invade the mother's body - they're trying to protect the defenseless baby's body.
Womans body, womans right to choose. I am so glad for you that you can choose to have your baby, but you or I do not get to decide for anyone else. You can feel about it however you like.
It has nothing to do with feelings.
There are not one but two bodies in question: the mother's body, and her baby's body.
No one has a right to invade another person's body; not even a mother. Only the pro-abortionists claim they do.
Body autonomy is a fundamental human right.
You do not understand what bodily autonomy means. You are a man so this is not suprising.
If a woman really does not want to be pregnant, for whatever reason, perhaps she should practice keeping her knees together.
I've worked in the addiction recovery field and my experience is that addiction is rooted in trauma and often addicted and personality disturbed people lose their free will to a large degree. Healing is possible and spiritual principles like restraint are part of that healing but it is not as simple as people who have not experienced addiction usually understand. I'm not arguing that you are wrong but that healing underlying issues is necessary for some before they are able to.
Abstain is a guarantee . However, there are dozens of contraceptives available.
That’s just for the females. Choices, Discernment…. As humans, we have a choice.
And, it’s my understanding, technology provides a day after pill. So, WHY is there a need to murder fully viable or full term newborns. ???
Pretty sure that there's a company called Planned Parenthood that will help with such things as family planning, I e. contraception, and that is primarily located in low income areas. Of course, they make truckloads of money off abortion, but I'm sure it's just a coincidence as to why they don't trumpet prevention, but rather hard sell the 'cure'...
You might research the history of Planned Parenthood, it might suprise you.
Oh, it's a nasty organization, alright. I was being (kind of) sarcastic about them, but they do offer birth control, although it is kept relatively quiet, so as not disrupt the cash cow that is abortion for them
You mean the part about it being founded by Margaret Sanger, who openly supported eugenics to eliminate blacks, the poor, and other "human weeds", as she called them?
Not me. The intention is not to serve. Very racist.
Abby Johnson used to be the Director of the largest PP in TX before repenting and starting a Pro-Life organization. She says that PP focuses on abortion because it's a huge money-maker. They provide birth control only to promote sexual promiscuity, knowing that eventually it will fail and the women will want an abortion. Look her up! :-)
Isn't there a movie about her?
The majority of young women do use birth control and think of abortion as plan B.
Actually, no, according to statistics, which indicate that over 50% of abortions occur after no birth control was used. In other words, abortion IS their birth control.
Wow, I did not know that statistic. That's pretty intense. I don't want to ban abortion altogether right now but that is a horrible stat. The MSM is doing quite a number on our young people. I commit to doing what I can to turn it around but this generation has been propagandized to so much. My daughter is 20, but she was homeschooled, so very different than many of her peers.
Woman who are not mentally or emotionally challenged or addicts use the Plan B you are talking about if they have unprotected intercourse. If it is a failure of birth control, one wouldn't know until too late for day after pill.
And the woman most likely to be careless are the woman most likely to be terrible mothers. It's just an inconvenient fact.