The CHURCH has been ASLEEP or AFRAID or both. They should have been caring the for the flock. When it was abundantly clear people were being forced to make life changing decisions about the jabs....take it or lose your job and your ability to provide for your family...and from most churches...crickets. So, while your plan is sound Jef…
The CHURCH has been ASLEEP or AFRAID or both. They should have been caring the for the flock. When it was abundantly clear people were being forced to make life changing decisions about the jabs....take it or lose your job and your ability to provide for your family...and from most churches...crickets. So, while your plan is sound Jeff....we also have to consider what believers need to do as well..besides running for these offices, or running candidates, we should be also forming house churches that are not beholden to their tax exempt status or FEAR.
Jeff...funny you would post that.... THAT is the column that caught my eye and when i subscribed to your blog. I sent it to my church leadership. Crickets. I sent it everyone. My inner circle of faith filled believers were all AMEN, AMEN , AMEN....but the Big corpporatne evangelical Church....silence
When in August 2021 I, with tears, emailed our senior pastor to explain our family’s experience with the pandemic, how like many we were initially afraid but then soon learned why we didn’t need to be (but D, ivy, lower mortality than we had been told, etc, etc) and how the church’s reinstated mask mandate (we want to love our neighbors and reduce burden on hospitals and honor the government) was preventing our joining in person church (we don’t wear masks), and also explained that masks and mandates were akin to the yellow star, quoting Vera Sharav,... how EXCITED our young son had been to get to go back to church after a year at home - even gathered his own offering that he had been holding onto for months - yet now, after just one Sunday back in person, we were facing TV church again.... when would it ever end?...... nothing. Not.one.thing.
The likeminded elder whom I had included on the email, just to be sure that the email was received and that the pastor knew it was being seen by not just him, replied saying that yes, it’s complicated and he would be happy to discuss nuances further. I think he was just being polite re the pastor... as I know he and his family disagreed emphatically with the masks. Anyway, I replied that the time for nuance was over.
But, never heard a single thing from the pastor. On our year-end giving statement letter, he scrawled how “sad” he was that he never replied, and he wanted to follow up that week. But again, never heard a whisper.
That church simultaneously was going increasingly woke, and we are no longer there. We appreciated certain aspects of the liturgy, and those we miss immensely. But not enough to sell short our souls.
Your story is repeated all over America, the insufficiency of fallen Western Christianity and its less than fallen churches. We too church On Line because there is nothing worthwhile locally. We are, unfortunately, too old now to take on forming up a truly theologically correct church with visible moral agency. Time has caught up with us as to diminishing health. But indeed, it is nice to know that this is a concern and that many young people with energy are picking up the baton. God cannot be defeated as long as people thirst for truth.
We have been thankful to have discovered a different nearby church that is very strongly biblical and conservative in its teaching. The sermons are rich feasts every week. The middle and high school youth group pastor discusses worldviews and current moral issues w the kids. The elementary kids are being taught from THE BIBLE itself rather than watching movies and “finding Jesus” in the movies. While there is a place for that, how about we first teach our kids the actual Bible?
We have been blessed.
It’s bittersweet because we truly experienced value in the interactive liturgy, the back and forth congregational prayers and readings, and the music was rich with meaning in the words. We miss all of that in the new place.
You seemed to have found as good as (mostly) can be had today. It's impressive to hear about a church which discusses world views, and applies Biblical Law and the teachings say of Proverbs to everyday life in the world. God Bless!
That column was forwarded to me also and that was when I signed up for C & C! One of the best things I have done. I have recommended it to many others. Marxianity by Brannon Howse would be a good read for readers to understand that taking over the churches was part of the communist plan. My mother-in-law's Methodist church just left the denomination and has now become a Bible Church. It is in a small rural community.
Large local, more conservative church here broke off off the overarching Methodost church, same reason. It was a big deal, lots of "church litigation," but they did, and the big church will feel the huge loss of local assets.
Jeff, I fully support your idea of running for DA in Florida. You are right with your comment, and the proof is in the pudding. Actions speak louder than words. We need people like you who will back up what you are saying in public office in Florida. You could show those cowards how its done and start the movement into the right direction.
When I read this excellent bit of writing it was the first time I’d ever heard of Jeff Childers, a few months before I discovered Coffee & Covid. I was blown away by the truth and wisdom contained in it! I shared it as far and wide as I could. It’s still the best thing I’ve read since this craziness entered our world. God bless you Jeff! God is using you in a mighty way.
This was the post that brought me to C & C. I am so grateful.
I am delighted to say that my church has been fantastic throughout. Never once was there a sign on the door requesting masks. The vast majority of the members never chose to wear them, either. For a month or two in the spring of 2020, our church did limit maximum attendance in accordance with local mandates, but they rescinded those limitations by June and have sworn to never be fooled into doing that again.
My pastor led a Bible study on "Lessons from 2020" in which he emphasized the rights of the conscience. I know that he wrote a mask exemption letter for one child's parents to take to the local school district. He did NOT join the local churches when they collaborated on a woke statement after George Floyd's death.
What's ironic is that one of our elders works at Zoetis, which is the animal vaccine division that Pfizer spun off just a few years ago. He told everybody at church that masks were worthless. Everyone in his family, including his aged mother, is completely unvaccinated.
I encourage all of you who are alienated from your church to keep looking until you find one that aligns with truth. They are out there.
This was the first post of yours that I read and I was blown away, read it twice - immediately HOOKED! Really cannot thank you enough for your incredible voice and everything you’re doing!! Blessings🙏🏻♥️🙌🏼
Hi Jeff, I’d love to read this but for some reason it will not open. Do you know the date or can I have the title so I can find it directly in your stack?
I myself was so disappointed in many churches during the scamdemic. Most of them bowed to the incredible hysteria by closing down and then by punishing those of us who were not vaccinated. As a Christian, I was appalled! In our previous church, we were denied the Eucharist because we were not wearing masks. My husband and I left the church for good. Many churches had signs that said, "you don't love your neighbor if you don't get vaccinated." Where was the faith over fear that Christians are supposed to adhere to?? Gone, out the window! So sad!
right? Why were churches closed during one of their flocks greatest times of need? There were a few brave ones out there John MacArthur, Jack Hibbs (CA Churches no less) and they have GROWN exponentially....but it did reveal something...a friend said....."well, now we're gonna find out who's faking it".
Not only that, the churches failed to condemn the scapegoating and widespread discrimination against the unvaxxed. They still haven’t spoken up as far as I know. Even after the fact would count for something morally. But no.
This! The scapegoating of anybody who questioned the benefits, or who simply didn’t want to be part of a freakin EXPERIMENT! Totally gaslit those who raised questions about the use of unborn babies’ bodies in the research or testing.
Where WAS the mercy and grace for those who disagreed? Instead, we were told that WE were breaking up unity.
This month, my devotional has had several passages dealing with not being fixated on the way others see us. Of course I initially mainly thought about the personal aspects of this exhortation. However, I had the lightbulb moment recently, that this is exactly what all of these churches and many churchgoers have been doing with regard to BLM, Covid, etc. They care more about how the world views them than how the Lord views them. It’s a different kind of legalism in a way.
Exactly. And care more about this than Scripture! Although it is unstated, it is more the selling of the soul to gain the world. But as we see in recent time, there is no safety or prosperity save what comes with obedience to and an unwavering insistence upon God. Harsh times tend to bring things into sharp focus.
Methodists are going through many changes. I no longer consider myself a United Methodist. It took a year for the pastor to call me to find out why I was not there after being closed a year , opening with masks required. Then 2 months later masks again. I quit then. A year ago. Now a phone call? Before I left we had exhortations to get the jab. Nothing much we used to do has returned--including younger families snd children. I am praying for a new congregation.
Get out and start trying new churches! Read their beliefs and mission statements on their websites before you go; you can avoid wasting time with false churches. Only those that preach God’s Word in it’s entirety and that the only way to be right with God is through faith in what His son and our Savior Jesus Christ did on the cross, are worth looking into. I’m the End Times the many false churches will be revealed and the true churches that adhere to God’s Word will remain, although they will endure persecution.
I’d like to. I’m very rural tiny town and driving an hour or so will not work but I may look into house churches. Try some church online worship first. I attended a fundamentalist Bible church for 25 years deep into prophecy and the Bible. That’s how I then connected this Covid to the end days and Satans plan. So I’m grateful for that discernment. That church split into many pieces And basically disappeared. I know the good ones are out there but the mainline ones are all I have within reasonable distance. Someone recommended Lutheran Missouri synod. We have one in town but it closed up as well during the plague. Masked—the whole thing. I live in a blue state. God will lead me. 🙏🏻 I’m not so angry about this. God bless.
I pray that God will lead you to a great church. We attend a conservative Presbyterian church with solid Biblical teaching but I also listen to Second Baptist Houston every Sunday at 9:30am before we go to our church. The pastor, Ed Young is amazing! He’s 85 years old, sharp as could be and speaks boldly about woke-ism and the church! His sermons are amazing. I also like to listen to John MacArthur (Grace Community in Sun Valley, CA.) and Pastor Jack Hibbs (Calvary Chapel in Chino Hills, CA). So many opportunities on the internet! God bless you!
I have many friends. Christians. Non Christians. We help each other and others. I still attend a women’s Bible study from the church. God will lead me where he wants me. Since I was receiving little from the worship there having realized the truth of what was happening I asked God to make me fit and strong with a peace to not succumb to fear. A congregation will follow
In Acts 2:42 we read that one of the four things the early church devoted itself to was “fellowship.” Fellowship was a very important part of their reason for meeting together. It was one of their objectives. But what is fellowship?
We often hear people talking about fellowship. We hear it said that what we need is more fellowship. But our modern ideas of fellowship have become so watered down that the word no longer carries the same meaning it did in New Testament times.
We are not surprised that the early church devoted itself to “the apostles’ teaching” and also “to prayer.” Apart from the ministry of the Holy Spirit, these are the two most important means of growth, power, and effectiveness in the Christian life and this is everywhere evident in the rest of Scripture.
But Luke tells us these early Christians also devoted themselves to fellowship. They just didn’t have fellowship; they devoted themselves to it. This means that fellowship was a priority and one of the objectives for gathering together.
They made fellowship a priority. Fellowship takes place in a Church or if need be, in the catacombs.
Let us hold fast the confession of our hope without wavering, for He who promised is faithful; and let us consider how to stimulate one another to love and good deeds, NOT FORSAKNG OUR OWN ASSEMBLING TOGETHER, as is the habit of some, Heb. 10:23-25. The God who created us knows how much we need fellowship! Any way other than together is Not the same!
Thank you Kim! I was just going to look up that verse which tells us to
‘Not forsake the the fellowship of believers’.
You’re so right! Our church (local leadership) was pretty weak, but we stuck it out through the sad, inadequate online services. We all realized how bad it was to not be together in person!
Where does it say “in a Church”? You don’t need a fancy building to be a church. I go to a small home church and it’s so much better than the large church I used to attend, or the base chapel I was involved in overseas. We meet twice a week and fellowship and listen to a sermon and study the Bible. And we have no 501c3 status to be beholden to the tax man. You can’t tell me I’m not “in church” just because there is no church building involved. Just real people who love Jesus.
I did not mean a church building. The church is the people, and they need to meet together whether it is in the forests (communist countries) or catacombs in Rome. The location is irrelevant! My church building is a former restaurant.
I have many friends. Christians. Non Christians. We help each other and others. I still attend a women’s Bible study from the church. God will lead me where he wants me. Since I was receiving little from the worship there having realized the truth of what was happening I asked God to make me fit and strong with a peace to not succumb to fear. A congregation will follow. I was also being shamed and guilted by a couple of people there
Oh but we do! Satan is like prowling lion waiting to devour us. We need each other. It is not called the Body of Christ for nothing! If there is no available church to attend then God will give us grace to persevere but if we neglect meeting together we will eventually wither and die.
I’m a much stronger Christian now than when I attended. I got strength and peace from the peace giver and creator himself. I love the people there but they are in a not so nice box. Deceived. This perhaps is the Laodicean era of the church. The lukewarm church. The last of the 7 churches in Revelation. Harsh words for it from God. I refuse to be in it.
I completely agree and took some abuse since my comment yesterday. My relationship with God is my business, plain and simple. I have never felt closer to God as a fallen away Catholic than I have these past few years. God knows my heart. Thank you Janet! God Bless. 🙏
Churches are the farthest thing from God. You don't need a church to be spiritually connected. All churches care about is their 501C status and money from the government. Discernment is needed here.
Not sure if you mean it or if it's what you tell yourself as an excuse not to go to church. Either way it's not true as there are very good churches out there. You paint all churches with a broad brush (only care about 501C status) which you can't possibly know unless you've visited every church. Don't let the existence of some bad churches poison your opinion of all of them.
(Not to mention that if you are a Bible-believing Christian you really don't have a choice as God commands us to fellowship in numerous passages. It's not optional.)
I used to tell myself the same thing but it turned out I was just too lazy to get my butt up on Sunday morning and used institutional flaws as a good excuse to sleep in. Churches are filled with flawed people (aka sinners), there's an old saying that if you find a church without hypocrisy, don't join it as you'll ruin it. The beauty is that the closer we come to Him, the less we sin as He transforms our lives (sanctification). A good church helps immensely in that journey.
Once you find a good spirit-filled, Bible-teaching church it will be the highlight of your week (and more often too as midweek services are great).
That’s great. We got seminary school sermon note rehashes and pablum. My women’s Bible group is much better. We read out loud the whole Bible verse and discuss. The sermon is dead boring. The actual word of God sings and touches us with everything we need as Children of God. Blessings.
As sad and tragic this was, I am thankful to God, He brought me back to the Traditional Latin Mass and clergy who did fight against all that you mentioned. I, too, was told to leave my Ordo Novus Church for not wearing a mask (in God’s House) but it ending up being the best thing that happened to me! I left and found a home. The Vatican is infiltrated and compromised, but the Lord’s Church still stands.
I discovered my traditional faith AND heroes fighting evil (Archbishop Vigano, Bishops Strickland and Schneider, Cardinal Mueller, and the now name-worthy priests: Fr Altman, Altier, Heilman, Mark Goring, etc.
Congrats, Pamela. I too am a TLM Catholic. When Covid hit, we lived near Ground Zero in Seattle. The chickens*&% archdiocese shut down immediately & ordered all parishes closed. So we switched from the FSSP parish to the SSPX one.
Unfortunately, the SSPX parish was directly across the street from the town police station, so pretty soon we were out of luck there too as Gov. Inslee put on his jackboots and stomped out all Christian worship.
We fled Seattle in 2020 and went back to the midwest where life and Mass was mostly normal.
Wow, reading your comment about having to move to another state so you can worship God in a church is quite jarring. My ancestors, along with so many others, immigrated to America because of its constitutional and religious freedoms. How dark and regressive much of America has become. My heart & soul weeps. We live in a very rural county in Texas and we did not experience anywhere near that level of government overreach.
Still in WA, waiting not too patiently for the emergency of Inslee to expire on Monday. You can bet there will be some celebrating in the streets in front of my house,
We are Reformed Faith, and all of what goes along with that. But I have to say, such people as you have stated have certainly stepped up to the plate and should be counted as true heroes. And by the way, stood up to the entire corruption of the Latin Church. That takes guts.
WE (those who are followers of Christ) ARE THE CHURCH! There are many false teachers, thus continuously strengthening your relationship with God is essential and then allowing Him to guide you in service. Find a “church” who reflects Christ and then you form community with like minded people. Share the truth and to those who have ears but cannot hear, dust off your sandals and move on. Don’t let evil distract your mission.
Accept that the religion of Christianity has a horrible past too, there are many who claim Him, but do not know Him!
I don’t want my “church” involved in politics or my medical decisions. I DO want them to speak of what the Bible teaches and teach that to the body of believers. If each of us guided by the Holy Spirit, use discernment and tread wisely we can accomplish much!
What trinity do you follow? This is a war- your actions will reflect who you worship! God speed 🙏
Look for a PCA church: It's perhaps the only American denomination holding the faith-over-fear line, and preaching the uncorrputed and oncompromised holy scriptures exactly as written.
Be careful. Tim Keller of Redeemer Pres in NYC is a closet wokester who thinks that we all OWE it to the poor to redistribute our wealth to them. I heard that his church segregated vax from unv during services.
Our former church was PCA and absolutely fell in lock step with local mandates for masks and distancing. Told folks we were unloving to question mask wearing. “People are afraid, and we can help them feel less afraid by wearing a mask, so we should be loving and be willing to be uncomfortable for their sake.” I am not making that up.
Included links to local vax sites in the weekly newsletters.
I would never have asked any of the pastors there for an exemption letter. Not even sure they would have written one.
I guess "trust God and fear not" isn't in the Pastor's Bible? It's in my NKJ version dozens of times.
I can understand fear and uncertainty in the first month, after that it was obvious that the threat was way overblown. The Bible condemns fear in no uncertain terms because it means we are looking to the world rather than to God. Pastors that enabled this fear will have to answer for this one day, I hope they are prepared. In addition to being sinful, this fear coddling has led to an explosion in mental illness and human suffering. It's pretty ugly.
One of the nice things about being a Baptist (theologically speaking) are the doctrines of the "priesthood of believers" and "soul competency". I wrote my own exemption letter (which was accepted), we answer to God not other men.
Yeah, my husband wrote that he didn’t need a letter because he answers for himself before God. 👍
A lot of Christians forgot the “do not fear.” Or somehow led themselves to believe that despite this command, it would be foolish to disregard what we were being told to do for our and for OTHERS’ good. You know, the whole, “love others more than yourself.” Or, uh, actually it is “as yourself,” but that trivial difference wasn’t supposed to matter.
I was astounded how LITTLE discussion there was amongst Bible believing Christians about these things. No wrestling with stuff. No long conversations about, what, really, does God mean when he says to not forsake gathering together. Or, when he says to lay down your life for your friends. How does that apply? I mean, does it REALLY mean that I put masks on my kids and myself - when I know the harms - just to perhaps make Sue feel better? How do we sort through these when people in powerful positions are ignoring evidence that their views are flat wrong? Am I *really* supposed to take an experimental thing, just to keep Grandma safe? How do we know Grandma will be safer anyway? Can we trust what we are being told? Aren’t there a lot of political incentives and conflicts of interest here?
I mean, I am not a brilliant person, but it was obvious that a fast 💉 carried enormous conflicting interests. Re-election hopes. Financial incentives. Popularity of public health. I mean, it was obvious. And yet so many people didn’t see.
But then, I have been blind for many years prior. Thank God for his grace awakening me in the years leading up to this current debacle,
Could have written your last sentence myself, one of the main reasons "Amazing Grace" is probably my favorite song. Written 250 years ago and we still sing it in church at least one a month. Such timeless truth.
PCA = Presbyterian Church in America. Please do NOT confuse this denomination with the PC(USA), a sizeable renegade bunch who divorced mainline Presbyterians 30+/- years ago, so as to embrace the globohomo agenda.
Is there a difference in the denomination like United Methodist has different sub groups? Like Free Methodist. Baptists southern etc. PCA in our town. Did the same as Methodist during the plague.
I've been REPULSED by church leaders' fear and compliance all along. I'm not evangelical, but I admire the heck out of Sean Feucht and his courage to develop and continue his "superspreader" events. He's given me some hope that there ARE still brave church leaders!
Agree. I was also very shocked and surprised at the absolute silence of the church on the pandemic. Everyone wanted “safety” and making their neighbors “feel good” rather than practice critical thinking and spreading TRUTH. I’m an avid Moody Radio listener where I discovered Eric Metaxas who preached the heroism of Bonhoeffer, but when it was the church’s turn to stand up, crickets! I was very disappointed in the church. I couldn’t believe the silence! I expected more from the figureheads I esteemed like Franklin Graham, Beth Moore, etc., I was shocked to discover that Rick Warren was part of the Covid Collective group that is pushing the jabs & treatments... then and I found Jeff’s article. Thank you, Jeff! It was the first glimmer of hope!
Then Sean Feucht went on a worship storm across the country. Then Clay Clark went crazy hosting rallies and unapologetically bringing God into politics same with Mike Lindell. Then the coalition of freedom seekers began to form! People from all walks of life and belief systems who knew something was not right at all. Too many to name. And it’s gaining steam.
The tide is beginning to turn. We must not lose hope! I keep sharing the nuggets of truth & wins that keep coming out in studies, lawsuits, elections, and media with my naysayer friends as they’ll tolerate me, and I am constantly praying like the Bible says - the prayer of the righteous avails much, casting down every imagination that exalts itself against the knowledge of God and bringing it into captivity! I pray against the evil of the globalist elite, that God will make a complete embarrassment out of their evil plans. I’m praying that the eyes of their heart will be opened so that they might see the truth and repent. And God is doing it, through all of you who are on the front lines! Eventually the mountain of evidence will be so great, the naysayers (like Ben Shapiro) won’t be able to ignore it anymore and will change their tune!
But the church does need to wake up. I’m praying for this too. I think this whole situation has caused many to be afraid and others to become more bold than they’ve ever been before. It’s the point where the time for timid is over and it’s time to declare a side and go full on into it. Another glimmer of hope, I think I’m starting to see the abortion issues and the transgender movement beginning to wake the church up. They’re talking about the corruption on Janet Parshall’s show on Christian radio now. Praise God. Do not grow weary in doing good.
The churches have been compromised. I left my church we they would not give vax exemptions. It was telling and I want no part of a church that refuses to support the congregation! There is no such thing as separation between church and state!
The CHURCH has been ASLEEP or AFRAID or both. They should have been caring the for the flock. When it was abundantly clear people were being forced to make life changing decisions about the jabs....take it or lose your job and your ability to provide for your family...and from most churches...crickets. So, while your plan is sound Jeff....we also have to consider what believers need to do as well..besides running for these offices, or running candidates, we should be also forming house churches that are not beholden to their tax exempt status or FEAR.
https://open.substack.com/pub/coffeeandcovid/p/what-the-church-needs-to-know-about-5c6?r=rac8a&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web
Jeff...funny you would post that.... THAT is the column that caught my eye and when i subscribed to your blog. I sent it to my church leadership. Crickets. I sent it everyone. My inner circle of faith filled believers were all AMEN, AMEN , AMEN....but the Big corpporatne evangelical Church....silence
When in August 2021 I, with tears, emailed our senior pastor to explain our family’s experience with the pandemic, how like many we were initially afraid but then soon learned why we didn’t need to be (but D, ivy, lower mortality than we had been told, etc, etc) and how the church’s reinstated mask mandate (we want to love our neighbors and reduce burden on hospitals and honor the government) was preventing our joining in person church (we don’t wear masks), and also explained that masks and mandates were akin to the yellow star, quoting Vera Sharav,... how EXCITED our young son had been to get to go back to church after a year at home - even gathered his own offering that he had been holding onto for months - yet now, after just one Sunday back in person, we were facing TV church again.... when would it ever end?...... nothing. Not.one.thing.
The likeminded elder whom I had included on the email, just to be sure that the email was received and that the pastor knew it was being seen by not just him, replied saying that yes, it’s complicated and he would be happy to discuss nuances further. I think he was just being polite re the pastor... as I know he and his family disagreed emphatically with the masks. Anyway, I replied that the time for nuance was over.
But, never heard a single thing from the pastor. On our year-end giving statement letter, he scrawled how “sad” he was that he never replied, and he wanted to follow up that week. But again, never heard a whisper.
That church simultaneously was going increasingly woke, and we are no longer there. We appreciated certain aspects of the liturgy, and those we miss immensely. But not enough to sell short our souls.
Your story is repeated all over America, the insufficiency of fallen Western Christianity and its less than fallen churches. We too church On Line because there is nothing worthwhile locally. We are, unfortunately, too old now to take on forming up a truly theologically correct church with visible moral agency. Time has caught up with us as to diminishing health. But indeed, it is nice to know that this is a concern and that many young people with energy are picking up the baton. God cannot be defeated as long as people thirst for truth.
We have been thankful to have discovered a different nearby church that is very strongly biblical and conservative in its teaching. The sermons are rich feasts every week. The middle and high school youth group pastor discusses worldviews and current moral issues w the kids. The elementary kids are being taught from THE BIBLE itself rather than watching movies and “finding Jesus” in the movies. While there is a place for that, how about we first teach our kids the actual Bible?
We have been blessed.
It’s bittersweet because we truly experienced value in the interactive liturgy, the back and forth congregational prayers and readings, and the music was rich with meaning in the words. We miss all of that in the new place.
You seemed to have found as good as (mostly) can be had today. It's impressive to hear about a church which discusses world views, and applies Biblical Law and the teachings say of Proverbs to everyday life in the world. God Bless!
That column was forwarded to me also and that was when I signed up for C & C! One of the best things I have done. I have recommended it to many others. Marxianity by Brannon Howse would be a good read for readers to understand that taking over the churches was part of the communist plan. My mother-in-law's Methodist church just left the denomination and has now become a Bible Church. It is in a small rural community.
Large local, more conservative church here broke off off the overarching Methodost church, same reason. It was a big deal, lots of "church litigation," but they did, and the big church will feel the huge loss of local assets.
Jeff, I fully support your idea of running for DA in Florida. You are right with your comment, and the proof is in the pudding. Actions speak louder than words. We need people like you who will back up what you are saying in public office in Florida. You could show those cowards how its done and start the movement into the right direction.
You may find this 'Stack interesting from Dr. P Alexander, if not yet seen:
https://palexander.substack.com/p/vigano-imo-if-the-world-had-two-viganos
When I read this excellent bit of writing it was the first time I’d ever heard of Jeff Childers, a few months before I discovered Coffee & Covid. I was blown away by the truth and wisdom contained in it! I shared it as far and wide as I could. It’s still the best thing I’ve read since this craziness entered our world. God bless you Jeff! God is using you in a mighty way.
Yes!!! My thoughts exactly - thanks Freebird!
This was the post that brought me to C & C. I am so grateful.
I am delighted to say that my church has been fantastic throughout. Never once was there a sign on the door requesting masks. The vast majority of the members never chose to wear them, either. For a month or two in the spring of 2020, our church did limit maximum attendance in accordance with local mandates, but they rescinded those limitations by June and have sworn to never be fooled into doing that again.
My pastor led a Bible study on "Lessons from 2020" in which he emphasized the rights of the conscience. I know that he wrote a mask exemption letter for one child's parents to take to the local school district. He did NOT join the local churches when they collaborated on a woke statement after George Floyd's death.
What's ironic is that one of our elders works at Zoetis, which is the animal vaccine division that Pfizer spun off just a few years ago. He told everybody at church that masks were worthless. Everyone in his family, including his aged mother, is completely unvaccinated.
I encourage all of you who are alienated from your church to keep looking until you find one that aligns with truth. They are out there.
This was the first post of yours that I read and I was blown away, read it twice - immediately HOOKED! Really cannot thank you enough for your incredible voice and everything you’re doing!! Blessings🙏🏻♥️🙌🏼
That was also the column that was sent to me and got me started following you. 
Hi Jeff, I’d love to read this but for some reason it will not open. Do you know the date or can I have the title so I can find it directly in your stack?
I myself was so disappointed in many churches during the scamdemic. Most of them bowed to the incredible hysteria by closing down and then by punishing those of us who were not vaccinated. As a Christian, I was appalled! In our previous church, we were denied the Eucharist because we were not wearing masks. My husband and I left the church for good. Many churches had signs that said, "you don't love your neighbor if you don't get vaccinated." Where was the faith over fear that Christians are supposed to adhere to?? Gone, out the window! So sad!
right? Why were churches closed during one of their flocks greatest times of need? There were a few brave ones out there John MacArthur, Jack Hibbs (CA Churches no less) and they have GROWN exponentially....but it did reveal something...a friend said....."well, now we're gonna find out who's faking it".
Would Jesus get the Jab? The Romans say all must submit to the new mystery medicine, and take shots every 3 months just like cattle.
It's crazy how many houses of God go along with this.
Not only that, the churches failed to condemn the scapegoating and widespread discrimination against the unvaxxed. They still haven’t spoken up as far as I know. Even after the fact would count for something morally. But no.
YES!
This! The scapegoating of anybody who questioned the benefits, or who simply didn’t want to be part of a freakin EXPERIMENT! Totally gaslit those who raised questions about the use of unborn babies’ bodies in the research or testing.
Where WAS the mercy and grace for those who disagreed? Instead, we were told that WE were breaking up unity.
This month, my devotional has had several passages dealing with not being fixated on the way others see us. Of course I initially mainly thought about the personal aspects of this exhortation. However, I had the lightbulb moment recently, that this is exactly what all of these churches and many churchgoers have been doing with regard to BLM, Covid, etc. They care more about how the world views them than how the Lord views them. It’s a different kind of legalism in a way.
Exactly. And care more about this than Scripture! Although it is unstated, it is more the selling of the soul to gain the world. But as we see in recent time, there is no safety or prosperity save what comes with obedience to and an unwavering insistence upon God. Harsh times tend to bring things into sharp focus.
Same here.
Methodists are going through many changes. I no longer consider myself a United Methodist. It took a year for the pastor to call me to find out why I was not there after being closed a year , opening with masks required. Then 2 months later masks again. I quit then. A year ago. Now a phone call? Before I left we had exhortations to get the jab. Nothing much we used to do has returned--including younger families snd children. I am praying for a new congregation.
Agree with Janet. Similar situation for me, except I didn’t even get a phone call. Blessings to everyone!
Get out and start trying new churches! Read their beliefs and mission statements on their websites before you go; you can avoid wasting time with false churches. Only those that preach God’s Word in it’s entirety and that the only way to be right with God is through faith in what His son and our Savior Jesus Christ did on the cross, are worth looking into. I’m the End Times the many false churches will be revealed and the true churches that adhere to God’s Word will remain, although they will endure persecution.
I’d like to. I’m very rural tiny town and driving an hour or so will not work but I may look into house churches. Try some church online worship first. I attended a fundamentalist Bible church for 25 years deep into prophecy and the Bible. That’s how I then connected this Covid to the end days and Satans plan. So I’m grateful for that discernment. That church split into many pieces And basically disappeared. I know the good ones are out there but the mainline ones are all I have within reasonable distance. Someone recommended Lutheran Missouri synod. We have one in town but it closed up as well during the plague. Masked—the whole thing. I live in a blue state. God will lead me. 🙏🏻 I’m not so angry about this. God bless.
I pray that God will lead you to a great church. We attend a conservative Presbyterian church with solid Biblical teaching but I also listen to Second Baptist Houston every Sunday at 9:30am before we go to our church. The pastor, Ed Young is amazing! He’s 85 years old, sharp as could be and speaks boldly about woke-ism and the church! His sermons are amazing. I also like to listen to John MacArthur (Grace Community in Sun Valley, CA.) and Pastor Jack Hibbs (Calvary Chapel in Chino Hills, CA). So many opportunities on the internet! God bless you!
Thank you!!!
I’m sure Satan is laughing his arse off at the success he has had ruining .”Christian churches”.
You left the Church for good?
Don't give the devil a win. He wants to separate you from God and his Son.
Nothing on this earth is perfect.
The enemy of the good is the perfect.
The covid madness has subsided in the pews.
You don’t need a church to stay close to God!
Sheep separated from the flock are ripe for being picked off. You just have to find a good flock with a good shepard (besides the Good Shepard).
I have many friends. Christians. Non Christians. We help each other and others. I still attend a women’s Bible study from the church. God will lead me where he wants me. Since I was receiving little from the worship there having realized the truth of what was happening I asked God to make me fit and strong with a peace to not succumb to fear. A congregation will follow
In Acts 2:42 we read that one of the four things the early church devoted itself to was “fellowship.” Fellowship was a very important part of their reason for meeting together. It was one of their objectives. But what is fellowship?
We often hear people talking about fellowship. We hear it said that what we need is more fellowship. But our modern ideas of fellowship have become so watered down that the word no longer carries the same meaning it did in New Testament times.
We are not surprised that the early church devoted itself to “the apostles’ teaching” and also “to prayer.” Apart from the ministry of the Holy Spirit, these are the two most important means of growth, power, and effectiveness in the Christian life and this is everywhere evident in the rest of Scripture.
But Luke tells us these early Christians also devoted themselves to fellowship. They just didn’t have fellowship; they devoted themselves to it. This means that fellowship was a priority and one of the objectives for gathering together.
They made fellowship a priority. Fellowship takes place in a Church or if need be, in the catacombs.
Let us hold fast the confession of our hope without wavering, for He who promised is faithful; and let us consider how to stimulate one another to love and good deeds, NOT FORSAKNG OUR OWN ASSEMBLING TOGETHER, as is the habit of some, Heb. 10:23-25. The God who created us knows how much we need fellowship! Any way other than together is Not the same!
Thank you Kim! I was just going to look up that verse which tells us to
‘Not forsake the the fellowship of believers’.
You’re so right! Our church (local leadership) was pretty weak, but we stuck it out through the sad, inadequate online services. We all realized how bad it was to not be together in person!
Where does it say “in a Church”? You don’t need a fancy building to be a church. I go to a small home church and it’s so much better than the large church I used to attend, or the base chapel I was involved in overseas. We meet twice a week and fellowship and listen to a sermon and study the Bible. And we have no 501c3 status to be beholden to the tax man. You can’t tell me I’m not “in church” just because there is no church building involved. Just real people who love Jesus.
I did not mean a church building. The church is the people, and they need to meet together whether it is in the forests (communist countries) or catacombs in Rome. The location is irrelevant! My church building is a former restaurant.
I am replying to the person who stated she stopped going to church.
Its great that you have a Christian fellowship !
I want her to consider the importance of that fellowship.
I have many friends. Christians. Non Christians. We help each other and others. I still attend a women’s Bible study from the church. God will lead me where he wants me. Since I was receiving little from the worship there having realized the truth of what was happening I asked God to make me fit and strong with a peace to not succumb to fear. A congregation will follow. I was also being shamed and guilted by a couple of people there
Oh but we do! Satan is like prowling lion waiting to devour us. We need each other. It is not called the Body of Christ for nothing! If there is no available church to attend then God will give us grace to persevere but if we neglect meeting together we will eventually wither and die.
Exactly.
I’m a much stronger Christian now than when I attended. I got strength and peace from the peace giver and creator himself. I love the people there but they are in a not so nice box. Deceived. This perhaps is the Laodicean era of the church. The lukewarm church. The last of the 7 churches in Revelation. Harsh words for it from God. I refuse to be in it.
I completely agree and took some abuse since my comment yesterday. My relationship with God is my business, plain and simple. I have never felt closer to God as a fallen away Catholic than I have these past few years. God knows my heart. Thank you Janet! God Bless. 🙏
God is good—ALL the time. ❤️This the the day the Lord has created—let us rejoice in it! God bless you, WendeAnne.
Churches are the farthest thing from God. You don't need a church to be spiritually connected. All churches care about is their 501C status and money from the government. Discernment is needed here.
Not sure if you mean it or if it's what you tell yourself as an excuse not to go to church. Either way it's not true as there are very good churches out there. You paint all churches with a broad brush (only care about 501C status) which you can't possibly know unless you've visited every church. Don't let the existence of some bad churches poison your opinion of all of them.
(Not to mention that if you are a Bible-believing Christian you really don't have a choice as God commands us to fellowship in numerous passages. It's not optional.)
I used to tell myself the same thing but it turned out I was just too lazy to get my butt up on Sunday morning and used institutional flaws as a good excuse to sleep in. Churches are filled with flawed people (aka sinners), there's an old saying that if you find a church without hypocrisy, don't join it as you'll ruin it. The beauty is that the closer we come to Him, the less we sin as He transforms our lives (sanctification). A good church helps immensely in that journey.
Once you find a good spirit-filled, Bible-teaching church it will be the highlight of your week (and more often too as midweek services are great).
I can't like this comment, but rest assured I tried.
During services, 501C tax status was never mentioned at my Church.
Passages from the Holy Bible are read and discussed.
You might need to find a new church if this is the case.
That’s great. We got seminary school sermon note rehashes and pablum. My women’s Bible group is much better. We read out loud the whole Bible verse and discuss. The sermon is dead boring. The actual word of God sings and touches us with everything we need as Children of God. Blessings.
Suppose you were ordered to relocate to a new country for the rest of your life and
and you were given a choice of two countries.
The only information about the countries would be...
Country A permitted Churches
and
Country B prohibited Churches
Which country would you choose?
lol
As sad and tragic this was, I am thankful to God, He brought me back to the Traditional Latin Mass and clergy who did fight against all that you mentioned. I, too, was told to leave my Ordo Novus Church for not wearing a mask (in God’s House) but it ending up being the best thing that happened to me! I left and found a home. The Vatican is infiltrated and compromised, but the Lord’s Church still stands.
I discovered my traditional faith AND heroes fighting evil (Archbishop Vigano, Bishops Strickland and Schneider, Cardinal Mueller, and the now name-worthy priests: Fr Altman, Altier, Heilman, Mark Goring, etc.
Congrats, Pamela. I too am a TLM Catholic. When Covid hit, we lived near Ground Zero in Seattle. The chickens*&% archdiocese shut down immediately & ordered all parishes closed. So we switched from the FSSP parish to the SSPX one.
Unfortunately, the SSPX parish was directly across the street from the town police station, so pretty soon we were out of luck there too as Gov. Inslee put on his jackboots and stomped out all Christian worship.
We fled Seattle in 2020 and went back to the midwest where life and Mass was mostly normal.
Wow, reading your comment about having to move to another state so you can worship God in a church is quite jarring. My ancestors, along with so many others, immigrated to America because of its constitutional and religious freedoms. How dark and regressive much of America has become. My heart & soul weeps. We live in a very rural county in Texas and we did not experience anywhere near that level of government overreach.
Still in WA, waiting not too patiently for the emergency of Inslee to expire on Monday. You can bet there will be some celebrating in the streets in front of my house,
Happy to hear you fled Seattle. I hope you’ve found a faith filled parish in the midwest.
I have found a wonderful FSSP parish in Rapid City, SD. As far as I know, they never shut down.
Yes! My TLM parish was wonderful. Our priests were not afraid.
We are Reformed Faith, and all of what goes along with that. But I have to say, such people as you have stated have certainly stepped up to the plate and should be counted as true heroes. And by the way, stood up to the entire corruption of the Latin Church. That takes guts.
May God Bless and Protect you and your family Ellen K.!
Dominus vobiscum!!!
WE (those who are followers of Christ) ARE THE CHURCH! There are many false teachers, thus continuously strengthening your relationship with God is essential and then allowing Him to guide you in service. Find a “church” who reflects Christ and then you form community with like minded people. Share the truth and to those who have ears but cannot hear, dust off your sandals and move on. Don’t let evil distract your mission.
Accept that the religion of Christianity has a horrible past too, there are many who claim Him, but do not know Him!
I don’t want my “church” involved in politics or my medical decisions. I DO want them to speak of what the Bible teaches and teach that to the body of believers. If each of us guided by the Holy Spirit, use discernment and tread wisely we can accomplish much!
What trinity do you follow? This is a war- your actions will reflect who you worship! God speed 🙏
AMEN!!!
Look for a PCA church: It's perhaps the only American denomination holding the faith-over-fear line, and preaching the uncorrputed and oncompromised holy scriptures exactly as written.
Ugh, I dunno.
Be careful. Tim Keller of Redeemer Pres in NYC is a closet wokester who thinks that we all OWE it to the poor to redistribute our wealth to them. I heard that his church segregated vax from unv during services.
Our former church was PCA and absolutely fell in lock step with local mandates for masks and distancing. Told folks we were unloving to question mask wearing. “People are afraid, and we can help them feel less afraid by wearing a mask, so we should be loving and be willing to be uncomfortable for their sake.” I am not making that up.
Included links to local vax sites in the weekly newsletters.
I would never have asked any of the pastors there for an exemption letter. Not even sure they would have written one.
I guess "trust God and fear not" isn't in the Pastor's Bible? It's in my NKJ version dozens of times.
I can understand fear and uncertainty in the first month, after that it was obvious that the threat was way overblown. The Bible condemns fear in no uncertain terms because it means we are looking to the world rather than to God. Pastors that enabled this fear will have to answer for this one day, I hope they are prepared. In addition to being sinful, this fear coddling has led to an explosion in mental illness and human suffering. It's pretty ugly.
One of the nice things about being a Baptist (theologically speaking) are the doctrines of the "priesthood of believers" and "soul competency". I wrote my own exemption letter (which was accepted), we answer to God not other men.
Yeah, my husband wrote that he didn’t need a letter because he answers for himself before God. 👍
A lot of Christians forgot the “do not fear.” Or somehow led themselves to believe that despite this command, it would be foolish to disregard what we were being told to do for our and for OTHERS’ good. You know, the whole, “love others more than yourself.” Or, uh, actually it is “as yourself,” but that trivial difference wasn’t supposed to matter.
I was astounded how LITTLE discussion there was amongst Bible believing Christians about these things. No wrestling with stuff. No long conversations about, what, really, does God mean when he says to not forsake gathering together. Or, when he says to lay down your life for your friends. How does that apply? I mean, does it REALLY mean that I put masks on my kids and myself - when I know the harms - just to perhaps make Sue feel better? How do we sort through these when people in powerful positions are ignoring evidence that their views are flat wrong? Am I *really* supposed to take an experimental thing, just to keep Grandma safe? How do we know Grandma will be safer anyway? Can we trust what we are being told? Aren’t there a lot of political incentives and conflicts of interest here?
I mean, I am not a brilliant person, but it was obvious that a fast 💉 carried enormous conflicting interests. Re-election hopes. Financial incentives. Popularity of public health. I mean, it was obvious. And yet so many people didn’t see.
But then, I have been blind for many years prior. Thank God for his grace awakening me in the years leading up to this current debacle,
Could have written your last sentence myself, one of the main reasons "Amazing Grace" is probably my favorite song. Written 250 years ago and we still sing it in church at least one a month. Such timeless truth.
God bless you and your husband.
What is that. PCA?
PCA = Presbyterian Church in America. Please do NOT confuse this denomination with the PC(USA), a sizeable renegade bunch who divorced mainline Presbyterians 30+/- years ago, so as to embrace the globohomo agenda.
Thank you.
Actually, those renegades exited in 1973....that's when the PCA was born.😇
No PCA church anywhere near me. 2 hrs away. Or more.
Then look for OPC or ARP. They have stayed faithful.
Do you have a Lutheran church nearby (a Missouri Synod Lutheran church....not WI synod)?
Presbyterian
Is there a difference in the denomination like United Methodist has different sub groups? Like Free Methodist. Baptists southern etc. PCA in our town. Did the same as Methodist during the plague.
All denominations are part of the same currency. I like the nondenominational churches
I’m looking. But if they caved—nope. There are some Bible churches around. Dont know what Assemblies of God did. Blue state.
I've been REPULSED by church leaders' fear and compliance all along. I'm not evangelical, but I admire the heck out of Sean Feucht and his courage to develop and continue his "superspreader" events. He's given me some hope that there ARE still brave church leaders!
Agree. I was also very shocked and surprised at the absolute silence of the church on the pandemic. Everyone wanted “safety” and making their neighbors “feel good” rather than practice critical thinking and spreading TRUTH. I’m an avid Moody Radio listener where I discovered Eric Metaxas who preached the heroism of Bonhoeffer, but when it was the church’s turn to stand up, crickets! I was very disappointed in the church. I couldn’t believe the silence! I expected more from the figureheads I esteemed like Franklin Graham, Beth Moore, etc., I was shocked to discover that Rick Warren was part of the Covid Collective group that is pushing the jabs & treatments... then and I found Jeff’s article. Thank you, Jeff! It was the first glimmer of hope!
Then Sean Feucht went on a worship storm across the country. Then Clay Clark went crazy hosting rallies and unapologetically bringing God into politics same with Mike Lindell. Then the coalition of freedom seekers began to form! People from all walks of life and belief systems who knew something was not right at all. Too many to name. And it’s gaining steam.
The tide is beginning to turn. We must not lose hope! I keep sharing the nuggets of truth & wins that keep coming out in studies, lawsuits, elections, and media with my naysayer friends as they’ll tolerate me, and I am constantly praying like the Bible says - the prayer of the righteous avails much, casting down every imagination that exalts itself against the knowledge of God and bringing it into captivity! I pray against the evil of the globalist elite, that God will make a complete embarrassment out of their evil plans. I’m praying that the eyes of their heart will be opened so that they might see the truth and repent. And God is doing it, through all of you who are on the front lines! Eventually the mountain of evidence will be so great, the naysayers (like Ben Shapiro) won’t be able to ignore it anymore and will change their tune!
But the church does need to wake up. I’m praying for this too. I think this whole situation has caused many to be afraid and others to become more bold than they’ve ever been before. It’s the point where the time for timid is over and it’s time to declare a side and go full on into it. Another glimmer of hope, I think I’m starting to see the abortion issues and the transgender movement beginning to wake the church up. They’re talking about the corruption on Janet Parshall’s show on Christian radio now. Praise God. Do not grow weary in doing good.
The churches have been compromised. I left my church we they would not give vax exemptions. It was telling and I want no part of a church that refuses to support the congregation! There is no such thing as separation between church and state!
If you had a healthy church before pandemic then yours was probably one where people
fled to. Ours sure was!