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Wesley Hoyle's avatar

I would add specific advice for the church that they really need to stop caring so much about signaling the world's twisted version of virtue. Learn to laugh at the absurdity rather than bow to it. Seriously read the Bee more. Train your smile-and-say-"no thanks" muscles. Good reputation is desirable but its price tag with most popular institutions right now is too hefty.

Be ready to laugh at petty tyrants, forgive those who were deceived, and bring those who did the deceiving to justice.

John Henry Holliday, DDS's avatar

Absolutely! Here are some of the things that some mainline Protestant churches in my neighborhood are doing/have done:

1) Fly "Black Lives Matter" and "Say Their Names" banners in front of the building.

2) Erect a new sign up front with the Gay Flag permanently incorporated into the sign.

3) Invite Reza Aslan, whose best-selling book proclaimed that Jesus was just another run-of-the mill zealot, to speak to the congregation just before Christmas, a few years back.

They'll do anything to separate themselves from those icky Christians who insist that the Bible is to be taken seriously.

Anne Clifton's avatar

The Bible speaks of sins of commission and sins of omission. Even "good" churches, such as mine, have remained silent about what has happened since 2020. Our shepherds have not pulled the sheep back from danger and now we are seeing the resulting devastation, in the form of needless covid and vaccine deaths, as well as strokes, aggressive cancers, heart problems, neurological problems, and other debilitating vaccine injuries. It's so strange that it can't be mentioned. When I speak out, I'm usually met with uncomfortable silence or scolded by being told that the vaccines have kept many out of the hospital or, more maddening, that "I had all my shots and I'm fine!" When we finally get to the Nuremberg moment and it can't be hidden any longer, I want to see these people's faces. They will probably think the criminals are being treated unjustly. It will be too painful to realize that they allowed themselves to be so thoroughly fooled.

Connie Lemmincakes's avatar

I’ve said it before, I’ll say it again. Some of those folks are scared shitless. They haven’t taken the red pill, but they have taken a pink one, and they woke up jus enough to be scared of what they’ve done.

INGRID C DURDEN's avatar

one friend has had at least 2 jabs and Altzheimer in the family. Scared out of their brains.

John Henry Holliday, DDS's avatar

Great comment. One of the churches I wrote about above held a Bach recital, but insisted on proof of "vaccination" in order to attend. Sin of commission.

As to sins of omission, only once in the last 20 years have I heard my pastor speak out against abortion. And that was only a month before he was leaving on new assignment.

Anne Clifton's avatar

Our pastors speak out on abortion and we participate in prayer walks to abortion clinics. We also support foster and adoptive parents. I can only assume they consider the vaccine issue to be too political. Not to mention, one of them who was jabbed (not all were) just returned to half-days at work, after being out for a month. He had bronchitis, pneumonia and covid (!) but he probably thinks it would have been so much worse had he not had the miraculous vaccine!

A Whip of Cords's avatar

β€œWould have been so much worse...” around here we call that the Covidiots’ Prayer.

INGRID C DURDEN's avatar

totally agree. Stopped going to church when face diapers were obligatory, no more than 25 worshipers at a time, church wiped dwon 2 times every service, everyone injected etc. Saw a former friend yesterday insisting I come back. Nope. Church in the woods, with dog and cats who did not refuse me.

daverkb's avatar

Most of the churches have been positively supine, do not really differentiate between good and evil, and by sins of omission are an ally of Satan. Man cannot live without truth (and justice). And in my experience church pastors do not uphold truth and/or Christian Biblical morality by application to the culture. Nope! Instead it is all this Woke virtue signaling excrement.

(By the way, a really up beat C & C today!)

Karmy's avatar

Fear is a powerful tool. It is my belief that if you have true faith in Jesus Christ you surrender your fear to Him and move one. Let Him deal with it and you will be under His protection. Can’t get any better than that.

Anne Clifton's avatar

Yes!! I decided very early on, when I was somewhat fearful, that I had no control over whether or not I got covid. God is sovereign and it was up to Him whether or not I had covid. I DID, however, have control over whether or not I got jabbed and the longer I waited and studied, the more certain I was that I would not be. Getting the jabs is simply Russian Roulette, with no benefit. I trust God, but after all this, I trust very few humans and certainly not our government or healthcare system.

Truthseeker's avatar

Churches were compliant and are are therefore complicit

Teachers and schools

Doctors and hospitals

Corporations

We were short on bravery and HEROS these past two years

Mob mentality ruled

Same as during the Holocaust

Kim Goodwin's avatar

Truth! I tried to tell people that what was happening was right out of the playbook from Nazi Germany. Then it hit me that many of the people probably have no clue about the play book of Nazi Germany! We cannot continue to let your society be dumb'd down by the woke left!

Yal NA's avatar

I was always wondering why in the past there was the whole city to see the (gruesome)hangings well now we know. They wanted to.make sure its done. And it was done only this time it might take so long that the criminals died a natural death.

Gabby_Normal's avatar

Jack Hibbs, Chino Hills Ca....none better....follow him. "nuff said

Gabriella's avatar

How do we follow him? Can you give a little more specifics?

Aaron Pickett's avatar

This. How do we lovingly call our congregations to repentance?

Naomi's avatar

I gave up on the Methodist church. It's too woke for me.

Jon Stephenson's avatar

There's a lot of differences within Methodist church. Some (minority) are still very solid and biblical. Others are totally Woke. Many in between. You have to look at each individually if you need to make a judgement.

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Kathy Lux's avatar

I left it, too. The minister constantly preached about β€œchecking our privilege” as nauseum. Then Covid and masking plus shut doors and online church pretty much sealed the deal.

Rosalind McGill's avatar

My favorite Methodist church got in line for the jabs & can’t understand all the heart problems & cancer now

INGRID C DURDEN's avatar

none stayed open during last year. I think the catholic was the last to close and first to reopen.

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Kelliann's avatar

Check out Jack Hibbs on you tube. All bible based and he is fighting the crazy CA govt. Calvary Church Chino Hills. I watch all his sermons

Julie Ann B's avatar

Also John MacArthur in CA.! Solid, Biblical teaching and never closed their doors despite intense persecution!

Kim's avatar

Yes, Jack Hibbs understands the times we live in and is not afraid to stand for what is right!

Naomi's avatar

My son and his wife found a non-woke church. They have given up on the Episcopalian Church they had been attending for the same reason.

Canny Granny's avatar

To tell the truth, most denominations are probably woke now. Your best bet is a small country church.

However, the preacher in this huge church in Murfreesboro, TN with a bad sounding name and a huge online presence is not. He may not be affiliated with a national church. I’ve listened a couple of times. My daughter listens occasionally. Here’s the link:

https://wochurch.org/

You can listen and decide for yourself.

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Canny Granny's avatar

What does PCA stand for? It seems like independent churches, but I’m not familiar with that.

Annie's avatar

I left my former church when the rainbow no longer represented God's promise to Noah but instead their inclusiveness for the alphabet people. Heathens! The Lord will let them know his displeasure.

Julie Ann B's avatar

The evil ones will always take a symbol used by God in His Word and twist it to deceive and fool people. The rainbow is a prime example. So is β€œtake the vaccine to protect others; it’s the β€˜kind’ thing to do.” Don’t be fooled!

Anne Clifton's avatar

I'm glad I don't have to worry about that. I am quite certain it will not happen at my church.

Kat's avatar

Anne if you read about Nazi Germany, the church members just sang out louder to drown out the screams from the Jews being railed by box car to the gas chambers. Our churches failed us all!!

Howling for Harmony's avatar

So sad to see the pastors all in on the "woke" agenda.

Heather H's avatar

I think the globalists and money have infiltrated many churches. Ours was overtaken a few years ago. They accused pastor of a sexual harassment that occurred in 1981. Lol. He put his hand on her thigh and hugged her a bit longer than she thought he should. He was ousted. They then removed almost every single leader around him. The entire team was different in 6 months. New pastor came in, covid hit, church closed, then they had BLM parade in lot, opened church but mandated masks, we started hearing DEI stuff, worship team didn't have one white person on it any longer, not one!, then video on asian hate. We left!

Anne Clifton's avatar

Wow! Praise God my church is not like that! Very doctrinally sound, just quiet on this one issue. We had online services for a little while, then had services outside for awhile. Then, for those who were paranoid and unable to come maskless, we had a mask-only service for them. We have three services each week. I think we handled the closing situation fairly well, as in the beginning, we didn't understand what was going on. Even the good doctors and scientists who are helping were, in some cases, fooled in the beginning and got jabbed. Dr. Robert Malone was injured by the jab.

John Henry Holliday, DDS's avatar

Wow, that's really bad. Good for you for moving on.

I am Catholic and much dismayed about Francis' Globalist tendencies. Such a disappointment after the very orthodox JPII and Benedict. Various bishops are pushing for the acceptance of gay unions.

Hang in there. Stand strong in faith, Heather H. Keep praying!

Anne Clifton's avatar

I am not Catholic, but regularly check out Lifesite News. I have been seeing a lot of concern expressed about the Pope. I was under the impression that the Pope was considered to be infallible. What can be done when things are so bad that a recent headline asked, "Is the Pope a Catholic?" This is a true crisis, in my opinion.

John Henry Holliday, DDS's avatar

Lifesite News is fantastic!

Here's a good piece explaining some of the misconceptions about Papal Infallibility: https://www.churchpop.com/2018/01/15/5-myths-about-papal-infallibility-too-many-people-still-believe-maybe-even-you/

The vast majority of devout Catholics I know oppose the direction Francis is taking the Church.

Have a good day, Anne.

PamelaZelie's avatar

I believe the majority of religious β€˜leaders’ fled their flock, willingly complying with evil mandates. For whatever reason, does it really matter why, they failed us. Most are modern day Sandhedrin.

β€œBut woe to you Pharisees! For you tithe mint and rue and herbs of all kinds, and neglect justice and the love of God; it is these you ought to have practiced, without neglecting the others. Woe to you Pharisees! For you love to have the seat of honor in the synagogues and to be greeted with respect in the marketplaces. Woe to you! For you are like unmarked graves, and people walk over them without realizing it.”

Luke 11:42-44

Kat's avatar

And another end times scripture; Even the elect will be deceived.

Scripture and prophecy are playing out right before our eyes. Repent as our redemption draws near!!

Anne Clifton's avatar

Exactly. Read Eric Metaxas' book, Letter to the American Church.

MDR's avatar

Have you read β€œ A Letter to the American Church” by Eric Metaxas? It’s a must read!!

Anne Clifton's avatar

How about Naomi Wolf's, The Bodies of Others? I found it at my local library and it was so much better than I expected that I may order my own copy. I order many of the books written by the heroic doctors and scientists in order to support them, since most of them have lost so much by taking a stand.

Dr. Peter McCullough's book, The Courage to Face Covid19, is a very good, easy to read book which I have been lending to others. I intend to try to get one of our Bible class teachers to read it. After learning about a young mother's devastating vaccine injury, he asked his class to pray and assured them that such injuries are rare.

Regarding the Metaxas book, this is my favorite quote. "They are in their churches singing more and more loudly to drown out the cries of those in the boxcars heading to their gruesome deaths. Sing with us, they say, and don't worry about all of those other issues out there. They don't concern us. Our job is to focus on God, and to pretend that we can do so without fighting for those He loves, whose lives and futures are being destroyed." Can't say it any better than that.

Wesley Hoyle's avatar

Not yet. It's on my radar but my reading list is very long at this point!

John Bugni's avatar

Ha, ha. I have the same long list problem. And I can't stop ordering.😜

MDR's avatar

I get that! The good thing is it’s not very long. But it worth the read!

Jaye's avatar

First I've heard of it. But then, I am not American. I will try to find a copy

MDR's avatar

It applies to any Christian church

daiva's avatar

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πŸ—¨ I don't even know if I'm going to write anything here.

↑ Says your profile byline. We are lucky you know by now! πŸ™‚

Elaine Elias's avatar

Don't quite understand this. But if Jeff likes it it must be worthy!

BonnieG's avatar

The CHURCH has been ASLEEP or AFRAID or both. They should have been caring the for the flock. When it was abundantly clear people were being forced to make life changing decisions about the jabs....take it or lose your job and your ability to provide for your family...and from most churches...crickets. So, while your plan is sound Jeff....we also have to consider what believers need to do as well..besides running for these offices, or running candidates, we should be also forming house churches that are not beholden to their tax exempt status or FEAR.

BonnieG's avatar

Jeff...funny you would post that.... THAT is the column that caught my eye and when i subscribed to your blog. I sent it to my church leadership. Crickets. I sent it everyone. My inner circle of faith filled believers were all AMEN, AMEN , AMEN....but the Big corpporatne evangelical Church....silence

Copernicus's avatar

When in August 2021 I, with tears, emailed our senior pastor to explain our family’s experience with the pandemic, how like many we were initially afraid but then soon learned why we didn’t need to be (but D, ivy, lower mortality than we had been told, etc, etc) and how the church’s reinstated mask mandate (we want to love our neighbors and reduce burden on hospitals and honor the government) was preventing our joining in person church (we don’t wear masks), and also explained that masks and mandates were akin to the yellow star, quoting Vera Sharav,... how EXCITED our young son had been to get to go back to church after a year at home - even gathered his own offering that he had been holding onto for months - yet now, after just one Sunday back in person, we were facing TV church again.... when would it ever end?...... nothing. Not.one.thing.

The likeminded elder whom I had included on the email, just to be sure that the email was received and that the pastor knew it was being seen by not just him, replied saying that yes, it’s complicated and he would be happy to discuss nuances further. I think he was just being polite re the pastor... as I know he and his family disagreed emphatically with the masks. Anyway, I replied that the time for nuance was over.

But, never heard a single thing from the pastor. On our year-end giving statement letter, he scrawled how β€œsad” he was that he never replied, and he wanted to follow up that week. But again, never heard a whisper.

That church simultaneously was going increasingly woke, and we are no longer there. We appreciated certain aspects of the liturgy, and those we miss immensely. But not enough to sell short our souls.

daverkb's avatar

Your story is repeated all over America, the insufficiency of fallen Western Christianity and its less than fallen churches. We too church On Line because there is nothing worthwhile locally. We are, unfortunately, too old now to take on forming up a truly theologically correct church with visible moral agency. Time has caught up with us as to diminishing health. But indeed, it is nice to know that this is a concern and that many young people with energy are picking up the baton. God cannot be defeated as long as people thirst for truth.

Copernicus's avatar

We have been thankful to have discovered a different nearby church that is very strongly biblical and conservative in its teaching. The sermons are rich feasts every week. The middle and high school youth group pastor discusses worldviews and current moral issues w the kids. The elementary kids are being taught from THE BIBLE itself rather than watching movies and β€œfinding Jesus” in the movies. While there is a place for that, how about we first teach our kids the actual Bible?

We have been blessed.

It’s bittersweet because we truly experienced value in the interactive liturgy, the back and forth congregational prayers and readings, and the music was rich with meaning in the words. We miss all of that in the new place.

daverkb's avatar

You seemed to have found as good as (mostly) can be had today. It's impressive to hear about a church which discusses world views, and applies Biblical Law and the teachings say of Proverbs to everyday life in the world. God Bless!

Kim's avatar

That column was forwarded to me also and that was when I signed up for C & C! One of the best things I have done. I have recommended it to many others. Marxianity by Brannon Howse would be a good read for readers to understand that taking over the churches was part of the communist plan. My mother-in-law's Methodist church just left the denomination and has now become a Bible Church. It is in a small rural community.

YYR's avatar

Large local, more conservative church here broke off off the overarching Methodost church, same reason. It was a big deal, lots of "church litigation," but they did, and the big church will feel the huge loss of local assets.

Maureen's avatar

Jeff, I fully support your idea of running for DA in Florida. You are right with your comment, and the proof is in the pudding. Actions speak louder than words. We need people like you who will back up what you are saying in public office in Florida. You could show those cowards how its done and start the movement into the right direction.

OnTheJump's avatar

You may find this 'Stack interesting from Dr. P Alexander, if not yet seen:

https://palexander.substack.com/p/vigano-imo-if-the-world-had-two-viganos

Freebird's avatar

When I read this excellent bit of writing it was the first time I’d ever heard of Jeff Childers, a few months before I discovered Coffee & Covid. I was blown away by the truth and wisdom contained in it! I shared it as far and wide as I could. It’s still the best thing I’ve read since this craziness entered our world. God bless you Jeff! God is using you in a mighty way.

CuiBono?'s avatar

Yes!!! My thoughts exactly - thanks Freebird!

Jo's avatar

This was the post that brought me to C & C. I am so grateful.

I am delighted to say that my church has been fantastic throughout. Never once was there a sign on the door requesting masks. The vast majority of the members never chose to wear them, either. For a month or two in the spring of 2020, our church did limit maximum attendance in accordance with local mandates, but they rescinded those limitations by June and have sworn to never be fooled into doing that again.

My pastor led a Bible study on "Lessons from 2020" in which he emphasized the rights of the conscience. I know that he wrote a mask exemption letter for one child's parents to take to the local school district. He did NOT join the local churches when they collaborated on a woke statement after George Floyd's death.

What's ironic is that one of our elders works at Zoetis, which is the animal vaccine division that Pfizer spun off just a few years ago. He told everybody at church that masks were worthless. Everyone in his family, including his aged mother, is completely unvaccinated.

I encourage all of you who are alienated from your church to keep looking until you find one that aligns with truth. They are out there.

CuiBono?'s avatar

This was the first post of yours that I read and I was blown away, read it twice - immediately HOOKED! Really cannot thank you enough for your incredible voice and everything you’re doing!! BlessingsπŸ™πŸ»β™₯οΈπŸ™ŒπŸΌ

Bones's avatar

That was also the column that was sent to me and got me started following you. οΏΌοΏΌ

Heather H's avatar

Hi Jeff, I’d love to read this but for some reason it will not open. Do you know the date or can I have the title so I can find it directly in your stack?

Ellen Komorowski's avatar

I myself was so disappointed in many churches during the scamdemic. Most of them bowed to the incredible hysteria by closing down and then by punishing those of us who were not vaccinated. As a Christian, I was appalled! In our previous church, we were denied the Eucharist because we were not wearing masks. My husband and I left the church for good. Many churches had signs that said, "you don't love your neighbor if you don't get vaccinated." Where was the faith over fear that Christians are supposed to adhere to?? Gone, out the window! So sad!

BonnieG's avatar

right? Why were churches closed during one of their flocks greatest times of need? There were a few brave ones out there John MacArthur, Jack Hibbs (CA Churches no less) and they have GROWN exponentially....but it did reveal something...a friend said....."well, now we're gonna find out who's faking it".

Based Florida Man's avatar

Would Jesus get the Jab? The Romans say all must submit to the new mystery medicine, and take shots every 3 months just like cattle.

It's crazy how many houses of God go along with this.

Lisa's avatar

Not only that, the churches failed to condemn the scapegoating and widespread discrimination against the unvaxxed. They still haven’t spoken up as far as I know. Even after the fact would count for something morally. But no.

Copernicus's avatar

YES!

This! The scapegoating of anybody who questioned the benefits, or who simply didn’t want to be part of a freakin EXPERIMENT! Totally gaslit those who raised questions about the use of unborn babies’ bodies in the research or testing.

Where WAS the mercy and grace for those who disagreed? Instead, we were told that WE were breaking up unity.

RunningLogic's avatar

This month, my devotional has had several passages dealing with not being fixated on the way others see us. Of course I initially mainly thought about the personal aspects of this exhortation. However, I had the lightbulb moment recently, that this is exactly what all of these churches and many churchgoers have been doing with regard to BLM, Covid, etc. They care more about how the world views them than how the Lord views them. It’s a different kind of legalism in a way.

daverkb's avatar

Exactly. And care more about this than Scripture! Although it is unstated, it is more the selling of the soul to gain the world. But as we see in recent time, there is no safety or prosperity save what comes with obedience to and an unwavering insistence upon God. Harsh times tend to bring things into sharp focus.

Janet's avatar

Same here.

Methodists are going through many changes. I no longer consider myself a United Methodist. It took a year for the pastor to call me to find out why I was not there after being closed a year , opening with masks required. Then 2 months later masks again. I quit then. A year ago. Now a phone call? Before I left we had exhortations to get the jab. Nothing much we used to do has returned--including younger families snd children. I am praying for a new congregation.

Kurt Krueger's avatar

Agree with Janet. Similar situation for me, except I didn’t even get a phone call. Blessings to everyone!

Julie Ann B's avatar

Get out and start trying new churches! Read their beliefs and mission statements on their websites before you go; you can avoid wasting time with false churches. Only those that preach God’s Word in it’s entirety and that the only way to be right with God is through faith in what His son and our Savior Jesus Christ did on the cross, are worth looking into. I’m the End Times the many false churches will be revealed and the true churches that adhere to God’s Word will remain, although they will endure persecution.

Janet's avatar

I’d like to. I’m very rural tiny town and driving an hour or so will not work but I may look into house churches. Try some church online worship first. I attended a fundamentalist Bible church for 25 years deep into prophecy and the Bible. That’s how I then connected this Covid to the end days and Satans plan. So I’m grateful for that discernment. That church split into many pieces And basically disappeared. I know the good ones are out there but the mainline ones are all I have within reasonable distance. Someone recommended Lutheran Missouri synod. We have one in town but it closed up as well during the plague. Maskedβ€”the whole thing. I live in a blue state. God will lead me. πŸ™πŸ» I’m not so angry about this. God bless.

Julie Ann B's avatar

I pray that God will lead you to a great church. We attend a conservative Presbyterian church with solid Biblical teaching but I also listen to Second Baptist Houston every Sunday at 9:30am before we go to our church. The pastor, Ed Young is amazing! He’s 85 years old, sharp as could be and speaks boldly about woke-ism and the church! His sermons are amazing. I also like to listen to John MacArthur (Grace Community in Sun Valley, CA.) and Pastor Jack Hibbs (Calvary Chapel in Chino Hills, CA). So many opportunities on the internet! God bless you!

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Janet's avatar

I’m sure Satan is laughing his arse off at the success he has had ruining .”Christian churches”.

M VARR's avatar

You left the Church for good?

Don't give the devil a win. He wants to separate you from God and his Son.

Nothing on this earth is perfect.

The enemy of the good is the perfect.

The covid madness has subsided in the pews.

WendeAnne's avatar

You don’t need a church to stay close to God!

Jon Stephenson's avatar

Sheep separated from the flock are ripe for being picked off. You just have to find a good flock with a good shepard (besides the Good Shepard).

Janet's avatar

I have many friends. Christians. Non Christians. We help each other and others. I still attend a women’s Bible study from the church. God will lead me where he wants me. Since I was receiving little from the worship there having realized the truth of what was happening I asked God to make me fit and strong with a peace to not succumb to fear. A congregation will follow

M VARR's avatar

In Acts 2:42 we read that one of the four things the early church devoted itself to was β€œfellowship.” Fellowship was a very important part of their reason for meeting together. It was one of their objectives. But what is fellowship?

We often hear people talking about fellowship. We hear it said that what we need is more fellowship. But our modern ideas of fellowship have become so watered down that the word no longer carries the same meaning it did in New Testament times.

We are not surprised that the early church devoted itself to β€œthe apostles’ teaching” and also β€œto prayer.” Apart from the ministry of the Holy Spirit, these are the two most important means of growth, power, and effectiveness in the Christian life and this is everywhere evident in the rest of Scripture.

But Luke tells us these early Christians also devoted themselves to fellowship. They just didn’t have fellowship; they devoted themselves to it. This means that fellowship was a priority and one of the objectives for gathering together.

They made fellowship a priority. Fellowship takes place in a Church or if need be, in the catacombs.

Kim's avatar

Let us hold fast the confession of our hope without wavering, for He who promised is faithful; and let us consider how to stimulate one another to love and good deeds, NOT FORSAKNG OUR OWN ASSEMBLING TOGETHER, as is the habit of some, Heb. 10:23-25. The God who created us knows how much we need fellowship! Any way other than together is Not the same!

Freebird's avatar

Thank you Kim! I was just going to look up that verse which tells us to

β€˜Not forsake the the fellowship of believers’.

You’re so right! Our church (local leadership) was pretty weak, but we stuck it out through the sad, inadequate online services. We all realized how bad it was to not be together in person!

N Springer's avatar

Where does it say β€œin a Church”? You don’t need a fancy building to be a church. I go to a small home church and it’s so much better than the large church I used to attend, or the base chapel I was involved in overseas. We meet twice a week and fellowship and listen to a sermon and study the Bible. And we have no 501c3 status to be beholden to the tax man. You can’t tell me I’m not β€œin church” just because there is no church building involved. Just real people who love Jesus.

Kim's avatar

I did not mean a church building. The church is the people, and they need to meet together whether it is in the forests (communist countries) or catacombs in Rome. The location is irrelevant! My church building is a former restaurant.

M VARR's avatar

I am replying to the person who stated she stopped going to church.

Its great that you have a Christian fellowship !

I want her to consider the importance of that fellowship.

Credenda's avatar

Oh but we do! Satan is like prowling lion waiting to devour us. We need each other. It is not called the Body of Christ for nothing! If there is no available church to attend then God will give us grace to persevere but if we neglect meeting together we will eventually wither and die.

Janet's avatar

I’m a much stronger Christian now than when I attended. I got strength and peace from the peace giver and creator himself. I love the people there but they are in a not so nice box. Deceived. This perhaps is the Laodicean era of the church. The lukewarm church. The last of the 7 churches in Revelation. Harsh words for it from God. I refuse to be in it.

WendeAnne's avatar

I completely agree and took some abuse since my comment yesterday. My relationship with God is my business, plain and simple. I have never felt closer to God as a fallen away Catholic than I have these past few years. God knows my heart. Thank you Janet! God Bless. πŸ™

Janet's avatar

God is goodβ€”ALL the time. ❀️This the the day the Lord has createdβ€”let us rejoice in it! God bless you, WendeAnne.

Lucy's avatar

Churches are the farthest thing from God. You don't need a church to be spiritually connected. All churches care about is their 501C status and money from the government. Discernment is needed here.

Jeff C's avatar

Not sure if you mean it or if it's what you tell yourself as an excuse not to go to church. Either way it's not true as there are very good churches out there. You paint all churches with a broad brush (only care about 501C status) which you can't possibly know unless you've visited every church. Don't let the existence of some bad churches poison your opinion of all of them.

(Not to mention that if you are a Bible-believing Christian you really don't have a choice as God commands us to fellowship in numerous passages. It's not optional.)

I used to tell myself the same thing but it turned out I was just too lazy to get my butt up on Sunday morning and used institutional flaws as a good excuse to sleep in. Churches are filled with flawed people (aka sinners), there's an old saying that if you find a church without hypocrisy, don't join it as you'll ruin it. The beauty is that the closer we come to Him, the less we sin as He transforms our lives (sanctification). A good church helps immensely in that journey.

Once you find a good spirit-filled, Bible-teaching church it will be the highlight of your week (and more often too as midweek services are great).

Benjamin Two N's's avatar

I can't like this comment, but rest assured I tried.

M VARR's avatar

During services, 501C tax status was never mentioned at my Church.

Passages from the Holy Bible are read and discussed.

You might need to find a new church if this is the case.

Janet's avatar

That’s great. We got seminary school sermon note rehashes and pablum. My women’s Bible group is much better. We read out loud the whole Bible verse and discuss. The sermon is dead boring. The actual word of God sings and touches us with everything we need as Children of God. Blessings.

M VARR's avatar

Suppose you were ordered to relocate to a new country for the rest of your life and

and you were given a choice of two countries.

The only information about the countries would be...

Country A permitted Churches

and

Country B prohibited Churches

Which country would you choose?

PamelaZelie's avatar

As sad and tragic this was, I am thankful to God, He brought me back to the Traditional Latin Mass and clergy who did fight against all that you mentioned. I, too, was told to leave my Ordo Novus Church for not wearing a mask (in God’s House) but it ending up being the best thing that happened to me! I left and found a home. The Vatican is infiltrated and compromised, but the Lord’s Church still stands.

I discovered my traditional faith AND heroes fighting evil (Archbishop Vigano, Bishops Strickland and Schneider, Cardinal Mueller, and the now name-worthy priests: Fr Altman, Altier, Heilman, Mark Goring, etc.

Fre'd Bennett, MAHA's avatar

Congrats, Pamela. I too am a TLM Catholic. When Covid hit, we lived near Ground Zero in Seattle. The chickens*&% archdiocese shut down immediately & ordered all parishes closed. So we switched from the FSSP parish to the SSPX one.

Unfortunately, the SSPX parish was directly across the street from the town police station, so pretty soon we were out of luck there too as Gov. Inslee put on his jackboots and stomped out all Christian worship.

We fled Seattle in 2020 and went back to the midwest where life and Mass was mostly normal.

LuAnne's avatar

Wow, reading your comment about having to move to another state so you can worship God in a church is quite jarring. My ancestors, along with so many others, immigrated to America because of its constitutional and religious freedoms. How dark and regressive much of America has become. My heart & soul weeps. We live in a very rural county in Texas and we did not experience anywhere near that level of government overreach.

WA Lunch Lady's avatar

Still in WA, waiting not too patiently for the emergency of Inslee to expire on Monday. You can bet there will be some celebrating in the streets in front of my house,

PamelaZelie's avatar

Happy to hear you fled Seattle. I hope you’ve found a faith filled parish in the midwest.

I have found a wonderful FSSP parish in Rapid City, SD. As far as I know, they never shut down.

Karen's avatar

Yes! My TLM parish was wonderful. Our priests were not afraid.

daverkb's avatar

We are Reformed Faith, and all of what goes along with that. But I have to say, such people as you have stated have certainly stepped up to the plate and should be counted as true heroes. And by the way, stood up to the entire corruption of the Latin Church. That takes guts.

M VARR's avatar

May God Bless and Protect you and your family Ellen K.!

Dominus vobiscum!!!

Jamie's avatar

WE (those who are followers of Christ) ARE THE CHURCH! There are many false teachers, thus continuously strengthening your relationship with God is essential and then allowing Him to guide you in service. Find a β€œchurch” who reflects Christ and then you form community with like minded people. Share the truth and to those who have ears but cannot hear, dust off your sandals and move on. Don’t let evil distract your mission.οΏΌ

Accept that the religion of Christianity has a horrible past too, there are many who claim Him, but do not know Him!

I don’t want my β€œchurch” involved in politics or my medical decisions. I DO want them to speak of what the Bible teaches and teach that to the body of believers. If each of us guided by the Holy Spirit, use discernment and tread wisely we can accomplish much!

What trinity do you follow? This is a war- your actions will reflect who you worship! God speed πŸ™

Roger Beal's avatar

Look for a PCA church: It's perhaps the only American denomination holding the faith-over-fear line, and preaching the uncorrputed and oncompromised holy scriptures exactly as written.

Copernicus's avatar

Ugh, I dunno.

Be careful. Tim Keller of Redeemer Pres in NYC is a closet wokester who thinks that we all OWE it to the poor to redistribute our wealth to them. I heard that his church segregated vax from unv during services.

Our former church was PCA and absolutely fell in lock step with local mandates for masks and distancing. Told folks we were unloving to question mask wearing. β€œPeople are afraid, and we can help them feel less afraid by wearing a mask, so we should be loving and be willing to be uncomfortable for their sake.” I am not making that up.

Included links to local vax sites in the weekly newsletters.

I would never have asked any of the pastors there for an exemption letter. Not even sure they would have written one.

Jeff C's avatar

I guess "trust God and fear not" isn't in the Pastor's Bible? It's in my NKJ version dozens of times.

I can understand fear and uncertainty in the first month, after that it was obvious that the threat was way overblown. The Bible condemns fear in no uncertain terms because it means we are looking to the world rather than to God. Pastors that enabled this fear will have to answer for this one day, I hope they are prepared. In addition to being sinful, this fear coddling has led to an explosion in mental illness and human suffering. It's pretty ugly.

One of the nice things about being a Baptist (theologically speaking) are the doctrines of the "priesthood of believers" and "soul competency". I wrote my own exemption letter (which was accepted), we answer to God not other men.

Copernicus's avatar

Yeah, my husband wrote that he didn’t need a letter because he answers for himself before God. πŸ‘

A lot of Christians forgot the β€œdo not fear.” Or somehow led themselves to believe that despite this command, it would be foolish to disregard what we were being told to do for our and for OTHERS’ good. You know, the whole, β€œlove others more than yourself.” Or, uh, actually it is β€œas yourself,” but that trivial difference wasn’t supposed to matter.

I was astounded how LITTLE discussion there was amongst Bible believing Christians about these things. No wrestling with stuff. No long conversations about, what, really, does God mean when he says to not forsake gathering together. Or, when he says to lay down your life for your friends. How does that apply? I mean, does it REALLY mean that I put masks on my kids and myself - when I know the harms - just to perhaps make Sue feel better? How do we sort through these when people in powerful positions are ignoring evidence that their views are flat wrong? Am I *really* supposed to take an experimental thing, just to keep Grandma safe? How do we know Grandma will be safer anyway? Can we trust what we are being told? Aren’t there a lot of political incentives and conflicts of interest here?

I mean, I am not a brilliant person, but it was obvious that a fast πŸ’‰ carried enormous conflicting interests. Re-election hopes. Financial incentives. Popularity of public health. I mean, it was obvious. And yet so many people didn’t see.

But then, I have been blind for many years prior. Thank God for his grace awakening me in the years leading up to this current debacle,

Jeff C's avatar

Could have written your last sentence myself, one of the main reasons "Amazing Grace" is probably my favorite song. Written 250 years ago and we still sing it in church at least one a month. Such timeless truth.

God bless you and your husband.

Roger Beal's avatar

PCA = Presbyterian Church in America. Please do NOT confuse this denomination with the PC(USA), a sizeable renegade bunch who divorced mainline Presbyterians 30+/- years ago, so as to embrace the globohomo agenda.

Maggie Think of Me's avatar

Actually, those renegades exited in 1973....that's when the PCA was born.πŸ˜‡

Janet's avatar

No PCA church anywhere near me. 2 hrs away. Or more.

Credenda's avatar

Then look for OPC or ARP. They have stayed faithful.

LuAnne's avatar

Do you have a Lutheran church nearby (a Missouri Synod Lutheran church....not WI synod)?

Janet's avatar

Is there a difference in the denomination like United Methodist has different sub groups? Like Free Methodist. Baptists southern etc. PCA in our town. Did the same as Methodist during the plague.

Bones's avatar

All denominations are part of the same currency. I like the nondenominational churchesοΏΌ

Janet's avatar

I’m looking. But if they cavedβ€”nope. There are some Bible churches around. Dont know what Assemblies of God did. Blue state.

laura-ann Knox's avatar

I've been REPULSED by church leaders' fear and compliance all along. I'm not evangelical, but I admire the heck out of Sean Feucht and his courage to develop and continue his "superspreader" events. He's given me some hope that there ARE still brave church leaders!

Mazel Lee's avatar

Agree. I was also very shocked and surprised at the absolute silence of the church on the pandemic. Everyone wanted β€œsafety” and making their neighbors β€œfeel good” rather than practice critical thinking and spreading TRUTH. I’m an avid Moody Radio listener where I discovered Eric Metaxas who preached the heroism of Bonhoeffer, but when it was the church’s turn to stand up, crickets! I was very disappointed in the church. I couldn’t believe the silence! I expected more from the figureheads I esteemed like Franklin Graham, Beth Moore, etc., I was shocked to discover that Rick Warren was part of the Covid Collective group that is pushing the jabs & treatments... then and I found Jeff’s article. Thank you, Jeff! It was the first glimmer of hope!

Then Sean Feucht went on a worship storm across the country. Then Clay Clark went crazy hosting rallies and unapologetically bringing God into politics same with Mike Lindell. Then the coalition of freedom seekers began to form! People from all walks of life and belief systems who knew something was not right at all. Too many to name. And it’s gaining steam.

The tide is beginning to turn. We must not lose hope! I keep sharing the nuggets of truth & wins that keep coming out in studies, lawsuits, elections, and media with my naysayer friends as they’ll tolerate me, and I am constantly praying like the Bible says - the prayer of the righteous avails much, casting down every imagination that exalts itself against the knowledge of God and bringing it into captivity! I pray against the evil of the globalist elite, that God will make a complete embarrassment out of their evil plans. I’m praying that the eyes of their heart will be opened so that they might see the truth and repent. And God is doing it, through all of you who are on the front lines! Eventually the mountain of evidence will be so great, the naysayers (like Ben Shapiro) won’t be able to ignore it anymore and will change their tune!

But the church does need to wake up. I’m praying for this too. I think this whole situation has caused many to be afraid and others to become more bold than they’ve ever been before. It’s the point where the time for timid is over and it’s time to declare a side and go full on into it. Another glimmer of hope, I think I’m starting to see the abortion issues and the transgender movement beginning to wake the church up. They’re talking about the corruption on Janet Parshall’s show on Christian radio now. Praise God. Do not grow weary in doing good.

Jaci's avatar

The churches have been compromised. I left my church we they would not give vax exemptions. It was telling and I want no part of a church that refuses to support the congregation! There is no such thing as separation between church and state!

Lisa Ca's avatar

If you had a healthy church before pandemic then yours was probably one where people

fled to. Ours sure was!

M VARR's avatar

One step missing.

State of emergency laws MUST BE CHANGED.

Every thirty days , OUR REPRESENTATIVES MUST DEBATE and VOTE ON ANOTHER THIRTY DAY EXTENSION to a STATE OF EMERGENCY.

After three months, the PEOPLE must vote on the continuance of a state of emergency.

The Executive Branch can no longer be trusted with the power of never ending states of emergency.

They have proven themselves to be TYRANTS.

TeaDrinker86's avatar

This. Really this is how they have gotten endless cash and power to do all this damage. Absolutely we need to implement these ideas.

AM's avatar

One of my favorite ideas.

Angus McPherson's avatar

I think states should pass constitutional amendments that FORBID states of Emergency that allow governors to wield unaccountable power at the state and local level. Be specific about what powers they can wield in an emergency. Everything else is simply not allowed. Emergency Disasters relief for natural disaster? Maybe OK but limited to specific recovery stuff. What else?

Make it clear that if you seize other powers you immediately subject yourself to censure and impeachment.

John Cougar Misanthrope's avatar

One of your best, Jeff. Thank you.

Sarah Thompson's avatar

I believe we need oil, nuclear, and sound money, if we’re going to get out of this alive. Justice in our time, for this one crime, doesn’t change the conditions (though I’m all for it). We’re not even a century out from Nuremburg and what did it get us? Did it prevent a century of hideous bloodshed and monstrous human rights violations? Did it stop the medico-industrial complex from being the agent of oppressive tyranny *while the last of the victims of the Third Reich are still alive and protesting?*

Many things need to happen in parallel. But they can. All it takes is to know in your heart that you are always re-calibrating toward the light.

daverkb's avatar

Yes, I agree. We must, for example, strike back at the abuse by private central banks in farming us with fake imaginary money. Contract the size of government down to constitutionally friendly size ... and much more. In fact, the entire Woke Rule by Tyranny is based upon fraud and must be overturned is we are to have any good chance to, prospect of LIFE!

Interestingly, and throughout the years, I would occasionally read that in winning WWII, the United States had in fact lost the war. The idea was that we had become in victory like that which we defeated. And now, with covid and endless proxy wars, we see this in spades.

Truth is the light of the pathway down which we should trod. And he who tells the truth is the natural enemy of the grifters and fraudsters. And yes, we thirst for truth, honesty and justice. The trampling boot has just become too heavy on against our necks.

Sarah Thompson's avatar

John Denson wrote a book called The Costs of War; America's Pyrrhic Victories. At this point, the one war I still struggle with is the War for American Independence; all the others were clearly fool's errands.

daverkb's avatar

Haven't read the book, but I can surmise a good bit of it. But won't go there.

Agreed on the War for Independence ... and even theologically correct as to orthodox/reformed conceptions. But I add the War of 1812 with England, and really a second try for the British Empire nascent to retain its American colonies.

World War II could be debated ... and maybe unavoidable. Yes, I know the history of how 'we' got into it, and so on. But even so, if National Socialism had won in Europe, what would be the ramifications? And would the Empire of Japan just have kept on expanding? And what would be the ramifications of that? I realize that these imponderables could be debated until the cows come home. And if one wants to get down to it, under Roosevelt (and to some extent even before), the United States was already into National Socialism itself. Yes, WW II ... a can of worms.

Safe to say, by 1941, America was already long down The Rotten Road to Nowhere (i.e., total tyranny). And it's only gotten worse. And we have to deal with it all ... like now!

Remi Steele's avatar

Maybe Mike Lindell (My Pillow guy) and Gregg Phillips (True the Vote) can be persuaded to help with the database and/or enlisting people with the know-how to build that national and international database needed to compile and analyze the needed information to bring the criminals to justice. Lindell and Phillips have done a phenomenal job with the election fraud issue. I'm retired military and a trained investigator standing ready to do my part to help as well.

Seay Stanford's avatar

Maybe Musk has some spare software engineers that he could loan for the cause.

Janet's avatar

πŸ‘πŸ»πŸ‘πŸ»πŸ‘πŸ»

Lisa Ca's avatar

That’s awesome! Love that. I would help too but I’m sure far more are way more advanced than me.

Holly C's avatar

From your substack to God's ears. Please let it be so.

Annie's avatar

Great plan Jeff. Love it ❀ I would also say that we show our voice by doing all we can to not support woke corporations, banks, social media sites, celebrities et al that are a major part of the problem. Money talks. And actively voice our opinions. Like we did with ulta. I plan to ask for an apology from our company board at the next employee meeting in February 2023. Why did they harass and discriminate against unvaxxed employees when the vaxx clearly doesn't stop transmission? I am close to retirement so I don't give a crap if they fire me on the spot. I will speak up for those who aren't in as good of position financially. Stay strong. Never forgive or forget!

Canny Granny's avatar

Most hospitals everywhere followed those deadly protocols. They had to know they didn’t work!

YYR's avatar

Granny, the hospital protocols works as designed. Silly.

Canny Granny's avatar

99.9 per success rate! 😞

RunningLogic's avatar

Good for you!! Please report back on how they react!

Jen's avatar

Jeff, this is genius!!! I love it! I have a name for you for Phase 2...you've probably already heard of him. Tiago Henriques who started the Died Suddenly board on FB that was the fastest growing board of all time. The first one grew to 300k members in a couple of weeks before they shut it down. The new one has almost 200k. The board is all personal stories of jab injuries and deaths...it's very sad because all the stories are so similar from all over the world. He has such extensive IT experience and has many people working for him that all the details of everyone's stories have been backed up and preserved, no matter how many times FB deletes it. I think he would be a great place to start for Phase 2.

For Phase 3 - I love it! I am sending this column to my Dad, who is retired and admittedly bored, lol! He has decades of experience working as a chemist as well as some time in academia. This is a brilliant idea. We need the boomers back to get the groomers out.

daiva's avatar

πŸ’¬ We need the boomers back to get the groomers out.β„’

↑↑ Witty pithy catchy snappy slogan it is, should be trademarked for Phase 3 πŸ˜‡

RunningLogic's avatar

Ooh yes!! Love these ideas!!

Paula Brown's avatar

The best step-by-step plan ever, you are amazing! Thank you Jeff for your wisdom and honesty.

Jaye's avatar

We recently had municipal elections. Locally, there were two candidates for mayor.

Political naΓ―vetΓ© lost the election for one of "us". She was torn to shreds on media platforms because of her involvement in freedom activities.

We have a way to go

Janet's avatar

Imagine that. Being torn to shreds for promoting β€œfreedom”. People love their chains it seems.

PamelaZelie's avatar

They pull on the chains, themselves. No one has to enforce compliance.

Martha's avatar

This points to the institutional capture/recapture that Jeff alluded to in the article. It is not a level playing field at the moment, but the dynamics of Big Media and Big Tech can be changed.

Kevin's avatar

Jeff, several months ago I made a note about a few key pillars I hope we can all work towards changing, which I think will help prevent this stuff from happening again. I like your list a lot, but let’s think about these, too:

1. Limit emergency powers of government sharply

2. Enshrine health freedom into constitution

3. True School choice. Money follows the student

4. Figure out some way to hold people in media accountable legally for censorship and/or outright lying.

Veteran's avatar

I agree wholeheartedly with these additions! There is absolutely NO reason for the government to have emergency powers in this day and age. Legislators are not riding their horses across states to get the the Capitol to deal with emergencies. Every single member of the legislature can be on a conference call within an hour of an emergency requiring action. They do not need to defer their authority to the executive branch with our current technology. All emergency powers must be revoked!

RunningLogic's avatar

Agree with all of those points.

Based Florida Man's avatar

The twitter takeover "freebird" is terrible timing for the left. They're losing control of the largest social media platform right before the election.

The promotion for "Died Suddenly" just started.

Even with the heavy censorship "2000 Mules" did pretty well and many people had their eyes opened to the truth behind the 2020 election.

"DIED SUDDENLY" has the potential to blow the whole COVID scam wide open.

Maureen ODH's avatar

The β€œDied Suddenly” trailer link is in the Stew Peters website

Nurse Lara's Newsletter's avatar

Why trust Elon Musk? What about claims that he is backed by WEF and CIA? Let’s not be fooled by yet another shiny new thing that is not what it appears and not good for us, not good for freedom.

Who knows? Stay dubious.

https://open.substack.com/pub/2ndsmartestguyintheworld/p/elon-musk-officially-takes-over-twitter?r=s30e2&utm_medium=ios&utm_campaign=post

Jon Stephenson's avatar

Musk doesn't have to be perfect or be one of "us" to be valuable. If he truly makes Twitter a platform that welcomes all opinions and isn't manipulated by the company to benefit the Left, it will be a good thing for righteousness. Almost anything would be a big improvement over what it's been recently.

daverkb's avatar

That's right. We should not trippingly fall over into the either/or trap ... one of us or not.

If anything, Musk reveals that there are factions in Woke-dom. Your comment applies to Trump. Imperfect people have done much to open doors for us. For example, Trump certainly brought to the fore all of the corruption going on in spite of some conspicuous failures. This includes the corruption inherent in the Great Banana Republic Election of 2020.

Thanks for stating this up front! Very important.

Lisa Ca's avatar

I agree with you. I don’t trust him but being able to speak freely is valuable!

Ellen Komorowski's avatar

I agree! Elon Musk is part of the WEF. Hard to trust that!

YYR's avatar

Lots of people were before they understood what it was. Don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good.

Credenda's avatar

Yeah. The guy who wants to put a chip in our brains. Ok.

TC's avatar

Yep I agree. I will take anything he does at face value and no further. If he produces censorship on Twitter great. But I don’t trust him to do anything more than that. I can appreciate that it might level the playing field for elections to come but I’ve seen glimpses of what he would like to turn Twitter into and that’s a hard pass for meοΏΌ

TC's avatar

Reduces. Censorship πŸ€¦πŸ»β€β™€οΈ

JustANobody's avatar

I was just going to post this!

Elaine Elias's avatar

I love elon musk. He is immoral but I believe he cares about humanity

Copernicus's avatar

Yeah. He cares about transforming humans into something greater and beyond human. That’s not caring for humanity.

daiva's avatar

πŸ’¬ We only have to overcome the most highly-motivated, highly-resourced, and truly evil folks that have ever infested the human race since God drowned the last bunch.

Only πŸ˜‰ Ok then, letβ€˜s do it! Let's MAKE the justice unstoppable & inevitable. For 'if' doesn't cut it 🀸

RandiG's avatar

πŸŽ‰ There is no try; only do.

Susan Catherine's avatar

Yesterday, my husband had a procedure at a hospital in Scottsdale. As we drove there, I told him that my sister mentioned hospitals and doctor offices nationwide were supposed to stop requiring masks, which led me to say "Hopefully they won't make us put those stupid things on. If they do, I'll be waiting in the car for you." As I dropped him off at the front entrance, there was the sign "Mask Required". Ugh. After his procedure, he told me that once they brought him out from the waiting area and into the Endoscopy area, NONE of the medical professionals had masks on. They told him, "you can take that mask off, it does nothing. We only wear them because the hospital requires it." I assume they meant in the public areas. These are the people who need to stand-up against these sheeple requirements! I've done it for less important things but could not be the cause of having his Endoscopy delayed so I too shut-up and put one on. πŸ˜•

Lone Starr's avatar

We still have to wear them at my stupid, virtue-signaling hospital, even though the CDC no longer "requires" it.

space's avatar

At my hospital as well. Such nonsense.

Unapologetically Me's avatar

At my local hospital as well, and all walk-in clinics, banks and elder care facilities.

#TrudeaumustgoNOW πŸ†˜οΈ

#TheMamaBearsAreComin'Justin πŸ’”

Ottonemo1's avatar

The fearless Dr Kerry Chant is still enforcing mask wearing in hospitals in all of New South Wales in Australia.

Lindsay.'s avatar

In Washington State I think masks will be required till the end of time itself in medical facilities. Inslee will probably be governor till he kicks the bucket, people are still thanking Inslee for "saving them from covid" (insert eye roll here). Our AG is corrupt. All of our State supreme court justices who are up for re-election are social justice warriors and are unopposed! I have to admit, things look bleak in the PNW.

Bryn Cannon's avatar

Leaving WA was one of the best decisions we ever made. We loved living there from 1990, when yes, all our friends were liberal but it didn’t matter. Then about 2015 when Trump was running, it was open season on conservatives. We lost a lot of friends, and acquaintances, assuming we were liberal like them, said the nastiest things about conservatives. We were starting to look into where to move to when covid hit and my husband was allowed to work from home indefinitely. Now living in the free state of AZ and wish we could have moved here years ago!

Lindsay.'s avatar

I understand. A lot of people I know left during 2021-2022 to go to the midwest, TN or FL. My husband enjoys his job and foraging for mushrooms (lots in WA and OR). What has made it bearable for us is that we are 15-20 minutes from the Idaho border. Eastern Washington is pretty conservative. The Sheriff didn't enforce Inslee's mandates and we have so many like-minded people in the region. I am convinced that WA is not so solid blue- I think there has been lots of voter fraud on the Westside for decades. My friends in eastern WA are all conservative. When I go to a swimming group in Idaho most of the group votes surprisingly BLUE! yikes!

Bryn Cannon's avatar

I’m sure you’re right about the voter fraud!

Inslee always reminded me of the kid in high school who never had real friends, he would just hang out with whoever would make him look good and feel big. He’s not very bright - that’s why he wears the black rimmed glasses. I’m sure for the last few years he’s been having the time of his life! A little boy in a grown man’s suit. It was fun to travel to the east side and see all the people ignoring the mandates and just living life!