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Lisa P's avatar

Iran and Russia also teamed up in ridding Syria of Al Qaeda and ISIS terrorists. Turkey, US, and Israel were all helping the 'moderate' head-chopping rebels. So, this Iran-Russia alliance is several years old now.

Very good update and analysis - thanks, Jeff. I hadn't considered that the Kerch Bridge was attacked by anything other than a truck bomb because that is what Russian investigators determined. But I'm open to other possibilities. I don't "support Russia" but I do support the fastest end to this war possible, which means ceasefire and negotiation. Is the retaining of Russian-speaking territory really worth the colossal waste of money and lives for Ukraine? No, it's not.

Somehow, I managed to make it through almost 2 years of vax propaganda and mandates with only being pressured to get the shots by 1 elderly Uncle who demanded I get vaccinated before visiting him for Thanksgiving last year. We ended up not going. He's since changed his mind, so we plan to visit him next month for Thanksgiving.

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Lisa P's avatar

The troll is back. How wonderful. Lol.

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Surviving the Billionaire Wars's avatar

Hard to resist, but best not to feed them. I expect Horsey will come galloping by, farting & dumping turds the whole way, sooner or later. 🤷

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Chevrus's avatar

In the meantime I shall post this link to a handy timeline. I do so because it is reasonably accurate and it may help to dissolve some of the scuttlebutt around the Russia Ukraine scenario.

https://off-guardian.org/2022/02/24/timeline-euromaidan-the-original-ukraine-crisis/

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CraigN's avatar

Thanks for that link. Interesting timeline and would like the "Ukraine good, Putin bad" commenters to respond to how that timeline justifies support of the Ukraine 'government'. Fairly certain if Taiwan were to suggest joining SEATO, China would respond in kind.

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Chevrus's avatar

Whereas I don't care if they do or not simply because they will continue to tote the narrative no matter the evidence. It's funny that after coup in 2014, the installed government consisted of people primarily not from Ukraine. I cant cite the number, but I'll poke around for them. In the case of Taiwan, China has an interesting relationship business-wise with Taiwan. They rely on each other for materials and products, and are somewhat symbiotic. In the case of the US military using Taiwan as a weapons depot, there is really no reason to invade. China already demonstrated during the Pelosi's visit that they can simply surround and blockade them until they replace their bureaucrats with more reasonable people.

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Benjamin Two N's's avatar

Wait, you’re saying someone joining a defensive alliance is a bad thing?

Taiwan should join seato.

You saying China is some beacon of freedom and prosperity?

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Benjamin Two N's's avatar

The “assurance” is meaningless when Russia keeps invading and annexing Eastern European countries to keep them weak and tied up with infighting.

Moldova ring a bell?

Georgia?

Ukraine?

Yanuckovych was ousted because the people remember Soviet bondage and the holodmor which killed 7 million Ukrainians through hunger and starvation.

If you treat your brother states nice they don’t leave you and join nato.

Remember katyn forest?

Russia blamed it on the Germans and onto acknowledged they did it 60 years later in declassified files.

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Lisa P's avatar

lol.

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Freebird's avatar

It’s a persistent troll.

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Benjamin Two N's's avatar

Facts are hard.

The Russian obsession with Ukraine is weird.

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M VARR's avatar

Your Russophobia slip is showing Benny.

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Benjamin Two N's's avatar

Who is the one bombing apartment complexes in Kyiv with drones made by a terrorist state, again?

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Politico Phil's avatar

Yeah, you should go help. You can take your skeet gun.

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Benjamin Two N's's avatar

I’m certified on the javelin and a lot of other stuff.

So not hard

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Fre'd Bennett, MAHA's avatar

Then what are ya waitin' for - get out there, go to the Uke frontlines!

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Benjamin Two N's's avatar

I’ve been waiting for a while but joe is rather senile and weak compared to Trump.

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Politico Phil's avatar

Yeah, so weird, right? Just like some ppl's obsession with our open border. I just don't get it!

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Benjamin Two N's's avatar

If Iran and north Korea are on your side are you really the good guys? Iran aided Al qaeda and has no problem sending weapons to them like in Yemen.

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Citizen Satirist (CS)'s avatar

But the USA created both Al qaeda and Isis plus is stealing Syrian oil and grain.... So remind me who are supposed to be the good guys again?

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Carl Shafen's avatar

Exactly. Can you say CIA? Dark drug $ that feeds them? Read it here: the Killing of Uncle .sam by Dr. Browne.

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Benjamin Two N's's avatar

Cia was feeding the Ukrainians Intel on the location of Russian generals and movements before even the Russians knew it

It was glorious.

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Benjamin Two N's's avatar

Are you saying we are the same as folks who commit genocide and open war crimes?

We aren’t.

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Mark Geiger's avatar

Who literally helped create Al Qaeda, sending money and arms for years and years?

This whole 'others are bad for doing what we do, so we can do whatever we think is right against them' shtick of yours is inane, and few seem to buy it here. Which brings up the question of just why it is that you spend so much time here...

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Benjamin Two N's's avatar

Iran aided the 9/11 hijackers and is the worlds largest state sponsor of terrorism.

How much of your house are you willing to give up?

Living room?

Kitchen?

Why not?

“Just give Germany the Sudetenland. They will stop at that”.

-Lisa p

Putin and Russia have been attacking European countries for the last 30 years on manufactured reasons.

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Lisa P's avatar

It's a colossal degree of idiocy to apply 1940s dogma to current events. If that were the case, wouldn't Germany be our enemy? But that's what you continually do - act like we're still fighting the battles of WW2 when we chose to ally with Stalin.

The US started the problem with Russia and Georgia via their sock-puppet Sakashvili. You should look into what he's up to now. No country wants him.

Iran aided the 9/11 hijackers? That's a new one. And it doesn't even make any sense. Most of the hijackers were Saudis. Al Qaeda is a radical Sunni sect, and the Iranians are Shia. Saudi Arabia and Iran are enemies, not allies.

You truly live in an alternate reality, dude.

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Benjamin Two N's's avatar

The enemy of my enemy is my friend. Iran allowed the 9/11 hijackers safe passage. Iran also had direct hands in the killing of 600 Americans in Iraq and the 241 Beirut Marines. If you meet a young man (like myself) with a military tattoo and a missing army or leg it was likely done by Iran's aid.

History repeats itself, doesn't it?

Germany just wanted one more piece. Now Russia just wants one more piece.

Oh yes, another country Russia invaded. Weird how Russia keeps invading their neighbors. Wonder why they all want to join nato?

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Lisa P's avatar

Do you know where most of the hijackers got their Visas? The US consulate in Jedda, Saudi Arabia.

Yes, Lebanon and Iran are allies. What did Reagan do after the barracks were bombed and all those Marines were killed? He pulled them out. I had a good friend in Iraq. He came back FUBAR in the head. My older brother was in SA for Desert Shield/Storm. As a teenager, I watched my mother nearly drink herself to death with worry. And what did WE gain for that other than trillions of dollars in debt?

How much do you get paid by the MIC to troll substack?

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Benjamin Two N's's avatar

Which is immaterial. They got training and safe passage from Iran and Afghanistan, both of whom knew exactly what they were doing.

Reagan should have gone after Iran like he did other bad guys. Why he didn't simply encouraged Iran. We got out revenge a few years later in Preying Mantis, but the damage was done. Iran has been a thorn in our side since then.

And now with their abuse of women simply exercising freedom you can see why they're so upset all the time.

Kuwait is free and a nation is grateful.

Encouraging bullies is never a good thing.

And that's why we are aiding Ukraine now and the good guys are winning.

I got my re-enlistment bonus of 100k back in 2019 and the last half in June, so I think I'm paid enough.

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Lisa P's avatar

Iran is like us in that they have more women enrolled in college than men. The lady who cuts my hair is from Iran. She has 2 nieces who are both doctors there. Iranian women have significantly more freedom than Saudi Arabian women who aren't even allowed to drive a car. Hypocrisy. Why would Reagan want to 'go after Iran' when we could covertly and illegally sell them weapons so that we could covertly and illegally aid the Contras in Nicaragua. Priorities I guess...

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Benjamin Two N's's avatar

So that’s why Iran is in total

Turmoil right now with women burning and rippling off their head scarves.

Hmmm.

Also remember when Trump killed their terrorist general because he was coordinating embassy attacks. No more Benghazi’s.

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Benjamin Two N's's avatar

Except that same truck bomb which came from the Russian side of the bridge and passed through several X ray and security check points?

Okay.

Kherson, Melitopol, Mariupol, and south Zaporhsyia are Ukrainian speaking territories, not Russian.

Russia also needs to return the children it abducted from Kherson to put with russian families 3600KM away.

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Bubblehead604's avatar

Except the evidence says it wasn't a truck bomb, nor a boat, nor explosives under the bridge. It was a missile strike. Okay.

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Politico Phil's avatar

Hey! Let the poor guy live in his fantasy. At least he's happy.

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Benjamin Two N's's avatar

Facts are hard. Ukraine does have indigenous long range missiles (Grim-2) which they used on the Saki airbase (destroying a squadron of Russian planes, about 500 million dollars) but that missile is not long range enough to hit the Kerch bridge.

If they did have missiles they would be using them a lot more. There are a lot of juicy targets in Sevastopol that need servicing.

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Benjamin Two N's's avatar

It wasn't a truck or missile, either.

Ukraine doesn't have missiles that can reach that far.

The kerch bridge is a lot farther than the maximum range of a Grim or Atacms. We know ukrainian SSO are already operating in Crimea and finding targets and conducting raids, but there is nothing that they can do to the bridge with a missile that's out of steam well before it gets to the target.

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