So what? He also urged us to take the "safe and effective" vaccine and how did that work out? Unbelievably, he's still mad he didn't get credit for operation warp speed.
We can support Trump without following his every utterance like a bunch of automatons. We don't make decisions based on emotional appeals to authority or brain-dead tr…
So what? He also urged us to take the "safe and effective" vaccine and how did that work out? Unbelievably, he's still mad he didn't get credit for operation warp speed.
We can support Trump without following his every utterance like a bunch of automatons. We don't make decisions based on emotional appeals to authority or brain-dead tribal allegiances.
Most of us here have figured out that when 100% of the corporate and state-owned press are all saying the exact same thing, it's not news but a manufactured narrative. Trump, as much as I like him, still either hasn't figured that out or is too afraid to push back. Plus he was badly fooled by the neocon Pompeo, who's never seen a war he wasn't willing to send someone else's kids to fight. Pompeo is as bad as the late John "boots on the ground" McCain.
As much as I despise Obama on 99% of his policy, he had good instincts on this one. This is not our battle, we have no dog in this fight, and it's not worth a penny of our money or a drop of our blood. Thank goodness the public at large seems to be waking up to this fact with polling showing a steady decline in public support of Ukraine as people realize there are no good guys here.
Although I agree that this should be true, it is not supported by recent or even post-war history. The Orange revolution in 2005, and the Maidan in 2014 appear to have been instigated by the State Dept. & Friends. The US has been meddling in the affairs of Ukraine for decades, even as far back as the years after WW2.
Gotta agree on this is not our battle. My take on this is in line with Assange. Taking huge amounts of taxpayer dollars and redirecting them to the deep state actors.
Let them have Europe if you think they could pull that off. According to you they cannot even handle Ukraine which in the past has been part of the Soviet republic and if they can't even get that done I doubt they could go into Europe. Guessing they would have a much bigger fight on their hands with the rest of Europe and those countries have an aversion to Russia whereas Ukraine may not. Let that hemisphere incur the cost of defending themselves. Let me know when the 'Red Dawn' is happening.
So has Belarus, Kazakhstan, Lithuania, Estonia, Latvia, Poland, Turkmenistan, Tajikistan, Georgia, Moldova, and a few others.
Texas was once apart of Mexico.
Doesnt mean the people deserve to be subservient and conquered subjects again.
The problem with your analogy is the red dawn did happen here. We had 9/11 and who defended us? Nato. Every state partook in combat operations in Afghanistan.
Thanks for the measured response to djt, JC. Perhaps one day we will see a bigger picture regarding some of his controversial decisions that have driven supporters crazy. Or maybe not. Maybe it is what it is. This, however, does not negate all the economic good he did during his term, even though he seemed to be hemmed in at every turn.
I believe truly in the philosophy “my body my choice”. If you want to get 10 booster shots a month do it. You just can’t tell me to take your poison.
It is indeed our fight too.
Europe fought for us in Afghanistan. Russia conquering Ukraine would create a genocide and threaten Poland and the Baltics, places Russia claims as theirs.
The public supports Ukraine by and large on both sides, right and left.
Still at it, Benji? Lol. You are lumping Ukraine in with the Covid Coup, whether you have the grey matter to figure this out or not! Ever heard of "propaganda?" Being utilized on a naive and unsuspecting public? Goods grief. The whole Covid Con was pure propaganda as is the current push for a proxy war with Russia that will be and is DEVESTATING for Ukraine. We are as guilty, if not more so, than Putin, this time around the block, and the entire readership here is well-informed enough to know this. To say the public supports it is pathetic.
Those who do have no idea about the real effects of this on Ukraine, and may well be suffering from prion disease enduced by spike protien encoded mRNA encased Nano Lipid Particles crossing their blood brain barriers. They'll support any bloody thing what-so-ever, including boys are girls and babies after delivery aren't actuallly people yet, and therefore you can take their lives, no problem. Oh, and pre -puberty little boys should be able to remove their penises & their testicles and take dangerous drugs because they are afraid of growing facial hair one day. Those are the people "supporting" war in Ukraine, Benji.
DEATH is what we are creating for that nation, not sunshine and a field of flowers, like the propaganda tells the sheep. HELL is what our tax dollars are buying. If there were ANY adults left this mess in the Ukraine would be resolved by DIPLOMATS, not bombs and Neo Nazis and missiles. And I would not be buying them with proceeds of forced liquidation of my family businesses! A La Biden and his criminal connections. Just look at the crap on Hunter's laptop.
Go there yourself, if this is your cause, but don't come back and expect to ever be normal again. And you will have no one to blame but yourself, unlike my friends and family who were drafted into Vietnam, and the other war games of the unGodly.
Diplomats can't stop invading Russians or their missiles or tanks. War is upon Ukraine, whether you like it or not. They are punching well above their weight and when they join nato they will have the most battle hardened and experienced army at fighting Nato's adversary, Russia.
When a man breaks into your house and threatens you, do you roll over and surrender or do you fight back?
Russia doesn't admit Ukraine has a right to exist. They murdered 7 million Ukrainians in one year because of Communism and the fact they hated Ukraine going all the way back to the days of Catherine the "great" and Ivan the terrible.
Russia bombs apartment buildings daily with freedom loving Iran's shahed 136 drones. But the USA is worse? They launch dozens of drones daily.
You can't resolve something with a tyrant. He is determined to get his way no matter what. The 2014 war was ended with a stalemate which led to this.
Would you give up and get a covid shot? Why not? How hard would you fight? Negotiate. Instead of taking 2 shots with a booster, just go for one 2 shot series. Right?
Now imagine someone's national identity and nation and their very survival.
Putin is to blame for this and his empire building, not Ukraine.
I've been following the "Current thing" since 2014 when the Ukrainians overthrew their Russian puppet.
I'm willing to go, I just need a set of orders and a plane ticket.
After 13 years in the military and 2 mobilizations I'm still a funny, happy guy :).
Clearly, you are simply an extension of the ethnic wars that have been going on over there for thousands of years and the very reason America has no business getting involved there, then, now or ever. You can stay in your corner where you can't harm anyone and whine about getting revenge on the Russians all by yourself. No thanks.
Oh, you mean the "forever war" in Afghanistan and the war about WMD's that didn't exist in Iraq....oh, yeah, I remember. Two wars to continually drain the wealth of the American people and money-laundry it back to the elites. These are not my allies. They are the allies of the imperial USG of which you are a part. You have simply illustrated my point that you are an extension of the ethnic tribal wars that have been going on in Europe for thousands of years. Americans want no part of it.
Americans actually support aid to Ukraine, that’s a bi partisan issue.
Yes, Iraq did have WMDs. They found some chemical shells. Do your own research. The Kurds in the north didnt gas themselves.
Let’s make Ukraine pay us back for the aid, let’s put them into nato 😉
Remember during hurricane Harvey tnose helicopters with the weird signs on the sides? Those were Singaporean helicopters. They’re huge friends of the USA.
Yes, Ukraine is an ally of the USA. You can stick your head in the sand but facts don’t care about your feelings.
Next you’ll tell me the Covid shot is safe and effective
I got a better idea. Get rid of NATO and the USG get out of the empire business. You remind me of a girl friend I once knew. She was always saying she doesn't lie. When you have to repeat something continually that's prolly a good indication that the opposite is true. Your constant assertion that you have all the facts belies the truth.
Nato exists for a reason-to protect it's member states from Russia. It has only been activated once and that was to protect the USA on 9/12/01.
If the Us government was in the empire business we would be making Iraq a 51st state. Same with numerous other nations. I mean, like Russia does. After all, they ran a "referendum" where the citizens "Chose" to be apart of Russia. That's how empires are made. That's not what the USA is doing.
If I have to repeat something maybe you should listen the first time.
Watching Russian trolls slowly change their tune has been hilarious.
February 24th: Russia strong!
May 24th: Russia made a gesture of goodwill and gave Zmiinyi island back to Ukraine.
October 10th: Russia still stronk, withdrew (ran) from Kharkiv, but the real Army is coming soon, russia stronk, putin stronk
The full circle has been glorious. It's the circle of life.
NATO existed to counter the USSR. The whole reason for NATO's existence ended with the fall of the Berlin Wall. For the elite, NATO is an extension of the USG empire.
"If the USG was in the empire business..."?? Seriously expect anyone other than a moron to believe that? In one statement, you have demonstrated your complete ignorance and lack of understanding of history.
Then go fight with them buddy. But don't for one minute think you have the right to tell me that it is my fight! This is not America's fight, never has been for hundreds of years and it never will be. But you have my permission to go and follow through on your own words.
I have no problem doing so. Just send me a set of orders, a plane ticket, and let me check out my rifle from the armory. I’m not an infantryman, but every Marine a rifleman still applies.
Democrats were against Ukraine when trump was in office.
It’s fun watching folks geo political winds change when the president does.
Are you saying the founding fathers didn’t ask france to aid the USA?
They had no problems handling Barbary pirates “to the shores of Tripoli”. Or Canada.
Or stopping European colonialism in South America.
I can go on.
Aid to Ukraine has shown to be effective across countless destructions of russian material. They’ve lost 1393 of their tanks in Ukraine, half of their active duty tank fleet. Their flagship. I can go on.
It’s working so well Putin is mad it is going on and demands it stops.
With how they are digging in it will. Ukraine has had enough and the entire west is united to push the invaders back. Ukraine supplies the men, the west the metal.
I just got done having dinner with one of my friends who was over there and got to share a bunch of pictures with me. Great dude.
So what? He also urged us to take the "safe and effective" vaccine and how did that work out? Unbelievably, he's still mad he didn't get credit for operation warp speed.
We can support Trump without following his every utterance like a bunch of automatons. We don't make decisions based on emotional appeals to authority or brain-dead tribal allegiances.
Most of us here have figured out that when 100% of the corporate and state-owned press are all saying the exact same thing, it's not news but a manufactured narrative. Trump, as much as I like him, still either hasn't figured that out or is too afraid to push back. Plus he was badly fooled by the neocon Pompeo, who's never seen a war he wasn't willing to send someone else's kids to fight. Pompeo is as bad as the late John "boots on the ground" McCain.
As much as I despise Obama on 99% of his policy, he had good instincts on this one. This is not our battle, we have no dog in this fight, and it's not worth a penny of our money or a drop of our blood. Thank goodness the public at large seems to be waking up to this fact with polling showing a steady decline in public support of Ukraine as people realize there are no good guys here.
“This is not our battle, we have no dog in this fight, and it's not worth a penny of our money or a drop of our blood.”
Perfectly stated. 100 percent correct.
Although I agree that this should be true, it is not supported by recent or even post-war history. The Orange revolution in 2005, and the Maidan in 2014 appear to have been instigated by the State Dept. & Friends. The US has been meddling in the affairs of Ukraine for decades, even as far back as the years after WW2.
The ONLY solution is to stop meddling.
Russia should leave Ukraine and stop trying to conquer what isn’t it’s people or land.
Trump had it right when he designated Russia as a primary threat to the USA
There is a "fuller" truth.
You’re saying the state department made yanuckovych cancel the eu trade deal that the people wanted?
And then he took off with his billions of dollars and ran to Russia?
Like!!
Nope, wrong.
Buzzzz...wrong answer.
Says who, you? That's not exactly confidence inspiring.
Gotta agree on this is not our battle. My take on this is in line with Assange. Taking huge amounts of taxpayer dollars and redirecting them to the deep state actors.
https://twitter.com/jamesmelville/status/1575100630871711746
Assange was 100% correct. It's very obvious how terrified the Globalists are of him.
It is our battle, as defined above.
Your inability to think long term is an issue.
“Germany just wants one more piece of land then they’ll stop”
-CraigN, 10-18-22
Your ability to think beyond your ethnic prejudice is an issue.
Let them have Europe if you think they could pull that off. According to you they cannot even handle Ukraine which in the past has been part of the Soviet republic and if they can't even get that done I doubt they could go into Europe. Guessing they would have a much bigger fight on their hands with the rest of Europe and those countries have an aversion to Russia whereas Ukraine may not. Let that hemisphere incur the cost of defending themselves. Let me know when the 'Red Dawn' is happening.
So has Belarus, Kazakhstan, Lithuania, Estonia, Latvia, Poland, Turkmenistan, Tajikistan, Georgia, Moldova, and a few others.
Texas was once apart of Mexico.
Doesnt mean the people deserve to be subservient and conquered subjects again.
The problem with your analogy is the red dawn did happen here. We had 9/11 and who defended us? Nato. Every state partook in combat operations in Afghanistan.
Holodmor.
Thanks for the measured response to djt, JC. Perhaps one day we will see a bigger picture regarding some of his controversial decisions that have driven supporters crazy. Or maybe not. Maybe it is what it is. This, however, does not negate all the economic good he did during his term, even though he seemed to be hemmed in at every turn.
Trump never forced anyone to take it. Biden did.
I believe truly in the philosophy “my body my choice”. If you want to get 10 booster shots a month do it. You just can’t tell me to take your poison.
It is indeed our fight too.
Europe fought for us in Afghanistan. Russia conquering Ukraine would create a genocide and threaten Poland and the Baltics, places Russia claims as theirs.
The public supports Ukraine by and large on both sides, right and left.
Lumping Ukraine in with Biden is false.
Still at it, Benji? Lol. You are lumping Ukraine in with the Covid Coup, whether you have the grey matter to figure this out or not! Ever heard of "propaganda?" Being utilized on a naive and unsuspecting public? Goods grief. The whole Covid Con was pure propaganda as is the current push for a proxy war with Russia that will be and is DEVESTATING for Ukraine. We are as guilty, if not more so, than Putin, this time around the block, and the entire readership here is well-informed enough to know this. To say the public supports it is pathetic.
Those who do have no idea about the real effects of this on Ukraine, and may well be suffering from prion disease enduced by spike protien encoded mRNA encased Nano Lipid Particles crossing their blood brain barriers. They'll support any bloody thing what-so-ever, including boys are girls and babies after delivery aren't actuallly people yet, and therefore you can take their lives, no problem. Oh, and pre -puberty little boys should be able to remove their penises & their testicles and take dangerous drugs because they are afraid of growing facial hair one day. Those are the people "supporting" war in Ukraine, Benji.
DEATH is what we are creating for that nation, not sunshine and a field of flowers, like the propaganda tells the sheep. HELL is what our tax dollars are buying. If there were ANY adults left this mess in the Ukraine would be resolved by DIPLOMATS, not bombs and Neo Nazis and missiles. And I would not be buying them with proceeds of forced liquidation of my family businesses! A La Biden and his criminal connections. Just look at the crap on Hunter's laptop.
Go there yourself, if this is your cause, but don't come back and expect to ever be normal again. And you will have no one to blame but yourself, unlike my friends and family who were drafted into Vietnam, and the other war games of the unGodly.
Right. I think we're done here.
Diplomats can't stop invading Russians or their missiles or tanks. War is upon Ukraine, whether you like it or not. They are punching well above their weight and when they join nato they will have the most battle hardened and experienced army at fighting Nato's adversary, Russia.
When a man breaks into your house and threatens you, do you roll over and surrender or do you fight back?
Russia doesn't admit Ukraine has a right to exist. They murdered 7 million Ukrainians in one year because of Communism and the fact they hated Ukraine going all the way back to the days of Catherine the "great" and Ivan the terrible.
Russia bombs apartment buildings daily with freedom loving Iran's shahed 136 drones. But the USA is worse? They launch dozens of drones daily.
You can't resolve something with a tyrant. He is determined to get his way no matter what. The 2014 war was ended with a stalemate which led to this.
Would you give up and get a covid shot? Why not? How hard would you fight? Negotiate. Instead of taking 2 shots with a booster, just go for one 2 shot series. Right?
Now imagine someone's national identity and nation and their very survival.
Putin is to blame for this and his empire building, not Ukraine.
I've been following the "Current thing" since 2014 when the Ukrainians overthrew their Russian puppet.
I'm willing to go, I just need a set of orders and a plane ticket.
After 13 years in the military and 2 mobilizations I'm still a funny, happy guy :).
"Current thing"....
Clearly, you are simply an extension of the ethnic wars that have been going on over there for thousands of years and the very reason America has no business getting involved there, then, now or ever. You can stay in your corner where you can't harm anyone and whine about getting revenge on the Russians all by yourself. No thanks.
I’ve been following the “current thing” since before Covid was even a word in your vocabulary.
It was the “current thing” for me in 2014 as I watched the Ukrainian people overthrow their Russian oppressors.
We have business getting involved as it threatens our allies.
You know, the same ones who went to Afghanistan and Iraq with us.
You may be the kind of person to abandon someone who helped us during our time of need but I am not.
Oh, you mean the "forever war" in Afghanistan and the war about WMD's that didn't exist in Iraq....oh, yeah, I remember. Two wars to continually drain the wealth of the American people and money-laundry it back to the elites. These are not my allies. They are the allies of the imperial USG of which you are a part. You have simply illustrated my point that you are an extension of the ethnic tribal wars that have been going on in Europe for thousands of years. Americans want no part of it.
Americans actually support aid to Ukraine, that’s a bi partisan issue.
Yes, Iraq did have WMDs. They found some chemical shells. Do your own research. The Kurds in the north didnt gas themselves.
Let’s make Ukraine pay us back for the aid, let’s put them into nato 😉
Remember during hurricane Harvey tnose helicopters with the weird signs on the sides? Those were Singaporean helicopters. They’re huge friends of the USA.
Yes, Ukraine is an ally of the USA. You can stick your head in the sand but facts don’t care about your feelings.
Next you’ll tell me the Covid shot is safe and effective
I got a better idea. Get rid of NATO and the USG get out of the empire business. You remind me of a girl friend I once knew. She was always saying she doesn't lie. When you have to repeat something continually that's prolly a good indication that the opposite is true. Your constant assertion that you have all the facts belies the truth.
Nato exists for a reason-to protect it's member states from Russia. It has only been activated once and that was to protect the USA on 9/12/01.
If the Us government was in the empire business we would be making Iraq a 51st state. Same with numerous other nations. I mean, like Russia does. After all, they ran a "referendum" where the citizens "Chose" to be apart of Russia. That's how empires are made. That's not what the USA is doing.
If I have to repeat something maybe you should listen the first time.
Watching Russian trolls slowly change their tune has been hilarious.
February 24th: Russia strong!
May 24th: Russia made a gesture of goodwill and gave Zmiinyi island back to Ukraine.
October 10th: Russia still stronk, withdrew (ran) from Kharkiv, but the real Army is coming soon, russia stronk, putin stronk
The full circle has been glorious. It's the circle of life.
NATO existed to counter the USSR. The whole reason for NATO's existence ended with the fall of the Berlin Wall. For the elite, NATO is an extension of the USG empire.
"If the USG was in the empire business..."?? Seriously expect anyone other than a moron to believe that? In one statement, you have demonstrated your complete ignorance and lack of understanding of history.
Then go fight with them buddy. But don't for one minute think you have the right to tell me that it is my fight! This is not America's fight, never has been for hundreds of years and it never will be. But you have my permission to go and follow through on your own words.
I have no problem doing so. Just send me a set of orders, a plane ticket, and let me check out my rifle from the armory. I’m not an infantryman, but every Marine a rifleman still applies.
Democrats were against Ukraine when trump was in office.
It’s fun watching folks geo political winds change when the president does.
Please let us know when you leave. We'll pray for your safety. But you can buy your own ticket.
It’s gonna be on military time unless gourd advocating for someone to Desert his place?
LOL... you can figure it out. Not my place.
You don’t have to, I can figure it out for you.
Russia wants Alaska back. You plan on giving it to them?
Thank you for that. Reason is returning to the conversations of Americans, thank God!
Folks by and large support aid to Ukraine over whelmingly.
It’s the most effective use of our tax dollars ever.
Biden spends 700 billion on anti inflation measures and it doesn’t work
We spend 50 billion on crushing the Russian war machine and ukriane is making it happen and paying more.
..Folks by and large support aid to Ukraine over whelmingly. It’s the most effective use of our tax dollars ever...
LOL.... Yeah, that's exactly why we pay taxes. Just what the Founding Fathers envisioned for us.
Are you saying the founding fathers didn’t ask france to aid the USA?
They had no problems handling Barbary pirates “to the shores of Tripoli”. Or Canada.
Or stopping European colonialism in South America.
I can go on.
Aid to Ukraine has shown to be effective across countless destructions of russian material. They’ve lost 1393 of their tanks in Ukraine, half of their active duty tank fleet. Their flagship. I can go on.
It’s working so well Putin is mad it is going on and demands it stops.
Well then, no worries. The war should be over any day now as the Russians must be in full retreat and defeat. Good news.
I’m guessing another year or so for how long the war will go on for. Ukraine is still getting stronger and the Russians weaker.
The Russian military losses are pretty well documented below:
https://www.oryxspioenkop.com/2022/02/attack-on-europe-documenting-equipment.html?m=1
Ukrainian here:
https://www.oryxspioenkop.com/2022/02/attack-on-europe-documenting-ukrainian.html?m=1
Russia is reduced to buying weapons and missiles from Iran (such a freedom loving country) and taking tanks and ordnance from belarus.
Meanwhile, ukriane is getting 18 more himars and 30 more modern artillery pieces from france and Italy and the USA.
Biden has been slow rolling aid this entire time. He needs the distraction from his failed policies domestically.
Trump would have had us in direct action months ago.
Oh yeah, they are in such defeat but it's gonna take at least a year cuz Biden is so slow...LOL LOL I can't stop laughing.....
With how they are digging in it will. Ukraine has had enough and the entire west is united to push the invaders back. Ukraine supplies the men, the west the metal.
I just got done having dinner with one of my friends who was over there and got to share a bunch of pictures with me. Great dude.