I attended drag shows in Columbus, Ohio in the mid 90s with a pair of close, gay friends. They would start after midnight at a bar in downtown. The performers clearly put a lot of energy, time and money into making themselves look like women, and at first glance, I really couldn't tell they weren't. Mostly the height and large feet and h…
I attended drag shows in Columbus, Ohio in the mid 90s with a pair of close, gay friends. They would start after midnight at a bar in downtown. The performers clearly put a lot of energy, time and money into making themselves look like women, and at first glance, I really couldn't tell they weren't. Mostly the height and large feet and hands gave it away. Most wore full length gowns and tried to look classy. One performer wore a 1 piece swimsuit for one routine, but it was not revealing. No one was exposing any parts. No one was overweight. There wasn't any bad makeup, gaudiness, sexualized moves, and there sure as hell were not any children there. Even a show like that, even though there was no trashiness, would not have been a good place for kids. I can only imagine what a drag show would look like now (I have no desire to go) but judging from videos I've seen, they are trash and sexualized fetish shows. I think the real question is why would the adults WANT children at those shows? Who wants to perform explicit acts for children? Answer to both: they're pedophiles.
I think they ushered in these drag shows and desensitized people to trans whatever…. By keeping it “classy” (says with sarcasm) …. Until it wasn’t. By then, they had already swung the pendulum in their favor. Now they are showing up everywhere and we can’t figure out why. Take it back to the 80’s and 90’s (and much further back) and then it’ll make sense.
oh wow, some of that is really hard to read. I just can't believe that people have thoughts like that. I felt nauseous reading it. We have to do everything we can to stop any and all of this. I mean, do they hear themselves? It's a "culture of oppression" to protect children from adults who want to have sex with them. Gross. Just gross.
That was so disturbing that I couldn’t finish it. Skimmed. If it is that hard for us to read about it’s beginnings imagine what is actually happening with more than just mere words. Blah. I don’t need to imagine that filth.
Reminds me (but no correlation as I am not okay with kids having access to pornographic books) of the school boards that refuse to listen to the filthy books being read aloud that they are ok with the kids reading on their own. Criminal.
It also reminds me of abortion and if people really wanted the know the origin of something they would take an honest look at Margaret Sanger and see why she championed abortion. It’s shameful.
But it’s better to plug our ears so we can’t hear the truth than to face the facts of these things. None of this just appeared out of thin air. It started somewhere. Like I said, I couldn’t even finish reading about where the drag stuff originated.
Thank you for including this link, Martha. Though extremely gross, it contains the proof of what normal people instinctively feel when exposed to such perversions.
I didn’t actually mean classy. I used quotes to try and say it sarcastically and to add to what the original poster said. I edited it to add sarcasm because nothing about this was ever right or classy.
I hope this comes out right - it's hard sometimes in writing.... From where I sit (and this is only my opinion) I have no problem with adults doing what they want to do providing no one is getting hurt, everyone is actively consenting (meaning they aren't just doing something because they're so drunk they have no idea what is going on) and *everyone* involved is an adult. However, I am absolutely disgusted and infuriated by any type of sexual or even slightly suggestive acts or displays around children. That is the lowest class of a person that does this and they need to be in jail or worse. The drag story hours and perversion around kids would NOT have been happening even 10 years ago. It's wrong and it absolutely should be 100% illegal. There's something wrong with parents who take their kids to these things. As a survivor of sexual abuse, this whole idea of exposing kids to anything sexual makes me irate. Perhaps early shows like the ones I saw lead to a slippery slope - I don't know. I do know that what is going on now is wrong.
Well said. The only problem I see is tracing this back to its inception the whole goal of live and let live, was supposed to lead to the children. It’s their sick evil depraved minds that will never let it stop at live and let live.
Read Martha’s post above authored by Christopher Rufo. It digs into the birth of this depravity.
That can't be my determination - it has to be the determination of the participants. I just don't see a problem with consenting adults (adults only) doing what they want with their lives. If an adult male wants to dress up like a girl and whack his parts off - as insane and completely mentally ill as I think that is - that's his business. I think it's totally messed up if he has children who have to witness that fiasco, but where do we draw a line in the sand or do "we" even have a right to? It's not an easy answer. I'm sure there are plenty of folks who would define my absolute refusal to go anywhere near a doctor for over 30 years as harming myself and harming family because my life "might" be shortened as a result. Should someone have the right to tell me I must see a doctor because someone might get hurt? I certainly was/am accused of harming others for three years by refusing to stay home, to mask or use sanitizer, and refusing all tests and jabs, not to mention calling it the "scamdemic". My actions had consequences: I lost a job opportunity and all but one family member, plus all friends. I was called a lunatic, dangerous, evil, and even a murderer once. You're absolutely right that no one is an island, but I also support peoples' rights to make their own decisions.
Yes! I am still so mad about this. Did you see the Moms4Liberty leader speak before congress yesterday? She was amazing!! I really hope it has an impact. She covered very well how many of us are feeling. The actions of the FBI this year around school boards is way over the top unacceptable and they need to be completely dismantled if this is how they want to spend their time instead of arresting child molesters, which is what they should be doing.
I respectfully disagree - compared to what I'm seeing online for these drag shows now, this was nothing like it. Not even in the ballpark, and everyone knew this was an adults only thing. I'm not defending it, but it was completely different from the stuff I have seen in videos, the exceptionally few times I have seen them to be outraged at children being present. I honestly don't get the idea behind wanting to be in drag at all, but I went to support my two gay friends I was with (who were in the closet) and I just didn't get it. It was interesting, but I never really got it.
There are so many queer bars in Columbus now, and queer flags flying all over Columbus and suburbs that one feels one is living in San Fran. You gave 'em an inch and they took infinity. Did you frequent Club Diversity with your friends also? And attend the Queer Parade the have every year?
This why old theology Protestantism never tolerated freak queer behavior. Doing so makes a city inhospitable. And raising children in such a depraved environment?
Have you noticed the absence of "old theology Protestantism" these days? Supreme Court Justices? Presidents? Anyone? Bueller? Our country's form of government was founded on the Presbyterian form of government, and a huge proportion of officers in the Revolution were Presbyterians. Calvin Coolidge may have been the last of his kind in public life.
When Obama termed America a post-Christian society, the alleged Christians of the country were all indignant, very angry. But Obama was right. Let me give you an example. My wife and I were around five years in a little Virginian country Baptist church. Very nice people ...BUT not once did we ever study from the Baptist Confession of Faith of 1689 or the Catechism (1693). And we barely knew what this was other than something we had never seen. And we never heard anything about adoption, justification and sanctification. Didn't not even know that these existed. No church history. No reading of historical documents. In short, deader than a dead anechoic chamber. Once I read R. J. Rushdoony's Institutes of Biblical Law, vol. 1 and Edward Gibbon on Church history, my jaw nearly dropped off. I now realize that most of what passes for Christianity in America is in fact largely heretical. And if they who profess and yet are invincibly steeped in ignorance, if these have even have an inkling of what I am getting at, then most of these 'Christians' would be in fits of anger.
From what I know now, Christianity in the America is now a profession of the blind leading the blind. And if there ever was a verse applicable to the state of the present day American Church, it is Hosea 4:6. And the part of this that anguishes me the most these days is the abandonment of the children to a most squalid culture ... and so bereft of a wholesome Christian upbringing both in faith as well as in studied letters.
Your words are music to my ears brother. I extensively read good ol' RJ Rushdoony when he was alive and learned so much. And it is so true you never hear of the bedrock Biblical doctrines of adoption, justification and sanctification. I don't even remember hearing them in a PCA church I use to attend.
Hosea 4:6 is THE prophecy for our time and it is heart breaking....
Hosea 4:6 NKJV
My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge. Because you have rejected knowledge, I also will reject you from being priest for Me; Because you have forgotten the law of your God, I also will forget your children.
Lawzy mussy, Phil, you know there isn't one group called 'Presbyterians!' We're not called 'the split P's' for nothing! People in Orthodox Presbyterian Churches know exactly what he's talking about, and more, as do some in some Presbyterian Church in America congregations. I can't go on about other Presbyterian denominations, as there are too many and I'm not familiar with all of them. I agree with you, far too few Presbyterians do know what he's talking about, though.
I love it when I get corrected! I did attend a PCA church for awhile. They were pretty solid...mostly. Before that I attended a small Reformed church. Very conservative. Nobody's perfect. The American church has lost so much knowledge since our founding. We really need a revival and not the hand waving kind.
No, it was actually quite rare that my friends (a gay couple) went out to things like that and I never went on my own. I honestly can't remember the name of the club that even happened in but it may have been Vine Street or The Eagle. We only attended one parade and we thought it was over the top and an unnecessary spectacle. Neither guy in that couple ever talked about their sexuality, rights, or anything else. They just happened to be gay and just wanted to live their lives, not parade or boast about their sexuality. I've lost contact with them, but last I heard, they are still together since 1990. But you're right, Columbus is a very gay friendly city and I see a lot of flags.
I attended drag shows in Columbus, Ohio in the mid 90s with a pair of close, gay friends. They would start after midnight at a bar in downtown. The performers clearly put a lot of energy, time and money into making themselves look like women, and at first glance, I really couldn't tell they weren't. Mostly the height and large feet and hands gave it away. Most wore full length gowns and tried to look classy. One performer wore a 1 piece swimsuit for one routine, but it was not revealing. No one was exposing any parts. No one was overweight. There wasn't any bad makeup, gaudiness, sexualized moves, and there sure as hell were not any children there. Even a show like that, even though there was no trashiness, would not have been a good place for kids. I can only imagine what a drag show would look like now (I have no desire to go) but judging from videos I've seen, they are trash and sexualized fetish shows. I think the real question is why would the adults WANT children at those shows? Who wants to perform explicit acts for children? Answer to both: they're pedophiles.
I think they ushered in these drag shows and desensitized people to trans whatever…. By keeping it “classy” (says with sarcasm) …. Until it wasn’t. By then, they had already swung the pendulum in their favor. Now they are showing up everywhere and we can’t figure out why. Take it back to the 80’s and 90’s (and much further back) and then it’ll make sense.
Great piece on the "drag queen" phenomenon by Christopher Rufo in City Journal:
The Real Story Behind Drag Queen Story Hour
https://www.city-journal.org/the-real-story-behind-drag-queen-story-hour
oh wow, some of that is really hard to read. I just can't believe that people have thoughts like that. I felt nauseous reading it. We have to do everything we can to stop any and all of this. I mean, do they hear themselves? It's a "culture of oppression" to protect children from adults who want to have sex with them. Gross. Just gross.
Exactly! People need to realize that there's a lot more to "inclusivity" than meets the eye.
That was so disturbing that I couldn’t finish it. Skimmed. If it is that hard for us to read about it’s beginnings imagine what is actually happening with more than just mere words. Blah. I don’t need to imagine that filth.
Reminds me (but no correlation as I am not okay with kids having access to pornographic books) of the school boards that refuse to listen to the filthy books being read aloud that they are ok with the kids reading on their own. Criminal.
It also reminds me of abortion and if people really wanted the know the origin of something they would take an honest look at Margaret Sanger and see why she championed abortion. It’s shameful.
But it’s better to plug our ears so we can’t hear the truth than to face the facts of these things. None of this just appeared out of thin air. It started somewhere. Like I said, I couldn’t even finish reading about where the drag stuff originated.
Thank you for including this link, Martha. Though extremely gross, it contains the proof of what normal people instinctively feel when exposed to such perversions.
In my opinion it was never classy. The only possible redeeming thing about the early trans is they didn’t try to push this perversion on children.
I didn’t actually mean classy. I used quotes to try and say it sarcastically and to add to what the original poster said. I edited it to add sarcasm because nothing about this was ever right or classy.
I hope this comes out right - it's hard sometimes in writing.... From where I sit (and this is only my opinion) I have no problem with adults doing what they want to do providing no one is getting hurt, everyone is actively consenting (meaning they aren't just doing something because they're so drunk they have no idea what is going on) and *everyone* involved is an adult. However, I am absolutely disgusted and infuriated by any type of sexual or even slightly suggestive acts or displays around children. That is the lowest class of a person that does this and they need to be in jail or worse. The drag story hours and perversion around kids would NOT have been happening even 10 years ago. It's wrong and it absolutely should be 100% illegal. There's something wrong with parents who take their kids to these things. As a survivor of sexual abuse, this whole idea of exposing kids to anything sexual makes me irate. Perhaps early shows like the ones I saw lead to a slippery slope - I don't know. I do know that what is going on now is wrong.
Well said. The only problem I see is tracing this back to its inception the whole goal of live and let live, was supposed to lead to the children. It’s their sick evil depraved minds that will never let it stop at live and let live.
Read Martha’s post above authored by Christopher Rufo. It digs into the birth of this depravity.
But how do you decide when "No one" is getting "hurt"? No man is an island.
That can't be my determination - it has to be the determination of the participants. I just don't see a problem with consenting adults (adults only) doing what they want with their lives. If an adult male wants to dress up like a girl and whack his parts off - as insane and completely mentally ill as I think that is - that's his business. I think it's totally messed up if he has children who have to witness that fiasco, but where do we draw a line in the sand or do "we" even have a right to? It's not an easy answer. I'm sure there are plenty of folks who would define my absolute refusal to go anywhere near a doctor for over 30 years as harming myself and harming family because my life "might" be shortened as a result. Should someone have the right to tell me I must see a doctor because someone might get hurt? I certainly was/am accused of harming others for three years by refusing to stay home, to mask or use sanitizer, and refusing all tests and jabs, not to mention calling it the "scamdemic". My actions had consequences: I lost a job opportunity and all but one family member, plus all friends. I was called a lunatic, dangerous, evil, and even a murderer once. You're absolutely right that no one is an island, but I also support peoples' rights to make their own decisions.
Classic incrementalism.
I agree, take it back to Tootsie and Mrs. Doubtfire and leave it there.
Matt Bracken, whom I follow on Gab, reminds people what the Weimar Republic was like shortly before WWII; a lot of similarities, along these lines.
Every parent who takes a kid to this should be arrested for child abuse.
Yes! I am still so mad about this. Did you see the Moms4Liberty leader speak before congress yesterday? She was amazing!! I really hope it has an impact. She covered very well how many of us are feeling. The actions of the FBI this year around school boards is way over the top unacceptable and they need to be completely dismantled if this is how they want to spend their time instead of arresting child molesters, which is what they should be doing.
Fourwinds, you stated, “even though there was no trashiness”. The whole idea of it is trashiness
I respectfully disagree - compared to what I'm seeing online for these drag shows now, this was nothing like it. Not even in the ballpark, and everyone knew this was an adults only thing. I'm not defending it, but it was completely different from the stuff I have seen in videos, the exceptionally few times I have seen them to be outraged at children being present. I honestly don't get the idea behind wanting to be in drag at all, but I went to support my two gay friends I was with (who were in the closet) and I just didn't get it. It was interesting, but I never really got it.
There are so many queer bars in Columbus now, and queer flags flying all over Columbus and suburbs that one feels one is living in San Fran. You gave 'em an inch and they took infinity. Did you frequent Club Diversity with your friends also? And attend the Queer Parade the have every year?
This why old theology Protestantism never tolerated freak queer behavior. Doing so makes a city inhospitable. And raising children in such a depraved environment?
Have you noticed the absence of "old theology Protestantism" these days? Supreme Court Justices? Presidents? Anyone? Bueller? Our country's form of government was founded on the Presbyterian form of government, and a huge proportion of officers in the Revolution were Presbyterians. Calvin Coolidge may have been the last of his kind in public life.
When Obama termed America a post-Christian society, the alleged Christians of the country were all indignant, very angry. But Obama was right. Let me give you an example. My wife and I were around five years in a little Virginian country Baptist church. Very nice people ...BUT not once did we ever study from the Baptist Confession of Faith of 1689 or the Catechism (1693). And we barely knew what this was other than something we had never seen. And we never heard anything about adoption, justification and sanctification. Didn't not even know that these existed. No church history. No reading of historical documents. In short, deader than a dead anechoic chamber. Once I read R. J. Rushdoony's Institutes of Biblical Law, vol. 1 and Edward Gibbon on Church history, my jaw nearly dropped off. I now realize that most of what passes for Christianity in America is in fact largely heretical. And if they who profess and yet are invincibly steeped in ignorance, if these have even have an inkling of what I am getting at, then most of these 'Christians' would be in fits of anger.
From what I know now, Christianity in the America is now a profession of the blind leading the blind. And if there ever was a verse applicable to the state of the present day American Church, it is Hosea 4:6. And the part of this that anguishes me the most these days is the abandonment of the children to a most squalid culture ... and so bereft of a wholesome Christian upbringing both in faith as well as in studied letters.
Your words are music to my ears brother. I extensively read good ol' RJ Rushdoony when he was alive and learned so much. And it is so true you never hear of the bedrock Biblical doctrines of adoption, justification and sanctification. I don't even remember hearing them in a PCA church I use to attend.
Hosea 4:6 is THE prophecy for our time and it is heart breaking....
Hosea 4:6 NKJV
My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge. Because you have rejected knowledge, I also will reject you from being priest for Me; Because you have forgotten the law of your God, I also will forget your children.
Sadly, Presbyterians today don't even know what you are talking about.
Lawzy mussy, Phil, you know there isn't one group called 'Presbyterians!' We're not called 'the split P's' for nothing! People in Orthodox Presbyterian Churches know exactly what he's talking about, and more, as do some in some Presbyterian Church in America congregations. I can't go on about other Presbyterian denominations, as there are too many and I'm not familiar with all of them. I agree with you, far too few Presbyterians do know what he's talking about, though.
I love it when I get corrected! I did attend a PCA church for awhile. They were pretty solid...mostly. Before that I attended a small Reformed church. Very conservative. Nobody's perfect. The American church has lost so much knowledge since our founding. We really need a revival and not the hand waving kind.
Someone said of Orlando 'it's nothing but fags and tourists'. LOL
I thought that was Key West 🧐🤣
No, it was actually quite rare that my friends (a gay couple) went out to things like that and I never went on my own. I honestly can't remember the name of the club that even happened in but it may have been Vine Street or The Eagle. We only attended one parade and we thought it was over the top and an unnecessary spectacle. Neither guy in that couple ever talked about their sexuality, rights, or anything else. They just happened to be gay and just wanted to live their lives, not parade or boast about their sexuality. I've lost contact with them, but last I heard, they are still together since 1990. But you're right, Columbus is a very gay friendly city and I see a lot of flags.
Except Bugs Bunny used it as a disguise to get out of sticky situations where he was in danger, not to titillate.