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FedUpInOR's avatar

Had dinner with a guy and his wife from our church. He's out here going to medical school and we've been friends with them. The subject of v-ccines came up and he mentioned that the valley (Portland to Eugene in Oregon) is the most unvaccinated area in the US. I told them I no longer v-x my child/ren and gave them the books Dissolving Illusions and Turtles all the Way Down. They said they'd read them

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FedUpInOR's avatar

He mentioned that in clinical doctors are telling him that parents aren’t just questioning the COVID v-ccine, they’re now pushing back on all of them! #winning

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Annette's avatar

I hope so. my daughter just had a baby and I'm scared to death she's going to vax him. And I even got her the book Turtles all the way down my heart is breaking 💔

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SA's avatar

Tell her to never allow her doctor to scare or pressure her into vaccinating. Always politely tell the dr that you will not do any procedures on this visit and would like to go home and research. Those “well-check” visits are the most manipulative and coercive appointments. The doctors take advantage of tired parents and start the fear campaign. They’ll tell her things like- if you don’t get the prevnar vaccine, your child will get pneumonia. I got my child the prevnar vaccine and my child got pneumonia. Tell her to contact me if she needs the other side of the discussion bc her pediatrician won’t be giving her full informed consent.

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Laura Hayes's avatar

An oldie but a goodie is this book by the late Dr. Robert Mendelsohn:

“How to Raise a Healthy Child in Spite of Your Doctor”

Encourage parents to forego “well baby visits”, from which those who are vaccinated leave never to be completely well again, and never to reach their full potential.

Additionally, if a pediatrician is one who has vaccines on-site, and who vaccinates his patients, time to find a new doctor.

For those in NY, Dr. Larry Palevsky is a pediatrician who does not vaccinate, and hasn’t for some 20 years. We need doctors like Dr. Palevsky, who don’t poison children, destroying their health, development, independence, fertility, and longevity.

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Annie's avatar

Yes. I would say forgo the well visits. It's like going to bank when you don't need to withdraw money etc. I think now they are gathering info to be used against you. If this scamdemic taught us one thing is to NOT trust the doctors and medical community.

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heather's avatar

M*R*N*A is being put in your food by the most evil tyrants ever and you must do this right now,.,.,., look at... https://disq.us/url?url=https%3A%2F%2Ft.co%2FgBr2wYZT8n%3A_lNF3y4cmX1jOfCsk5iklP92gkE&cuid=uu899r4

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Kathy Sincere's avatar

Every new parent should read/watch ALL the Laura Hayes Exclusive Editorials and videos on Age of Autism. Most comprehensive and thought-provoking material on vaccination! Thank you, Laura.

https://www.ageofautism.com/exclusives.html

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AngelaA's avatar

Excellent book! His chapter on fevers changed me forever, took away all fear and helped me to understand the only two times a high fever can be dangerous: when overheated from an external source, such as being stuck in a hot car, or from food poisoning. In all other cases of fever, the body has a shut-off mechanism to keep it from going too high, and is a necessary function to kill off pathogens and viruses. If only all new parents understood this, would save so many issues for those kids being pumped full of pharmaceuticals to bring down the fever (creating a whole other host of issues).

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SA's avatar

I agree. Find a functional medicine doctor. But sometimes this is too big of a step for parents who think a pediatrician from the hospital’s recommended list is needed. So first plant the seed and tell them what to expect. They’ll be more receptive when they see the playbook. Always encourage switching to functional med doctors, though.

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Sheri veley's avatar

Just went and bought this for my daughter. Hopefully she will read it, and I definitely will. My grandkids matter too much to me.

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Connie Lemmincakes's avatar

My absolutely favorite book while raising my children!!!

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Michael Framson's avatar

Laura Hayes is an excellent source as well. No one better who knows how to truly frame this critical issue. Wish I would have known Laura earlier in my life.

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Dawn B's avatar

My pediatrician's office no longer treats unvaxxed children. Pediactrics Associates... We haven't been back since before the plandemic. Fortunately we have not needed to go. I went to our chiropractor to get a sports participation permission slip.

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PamelaZelie's avatar

You’re better off without that pediatrician.

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CuiBono?'s avatar

Absolutely!

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Laura Hayes's avatar

Dawn B,

Good riddance with regard to not returning to the willfully ignorant, pridefully arrogant, possibly corrupt pediatrician. If he is okay with harming his patients on a regular and frequent basis via vaccinations, then he is likely okay with harming them via pharmaceuticals, unnecessary testing and procedures, and plenty of terrible advice.

Not sure which state you live in, but when I lived in CA, I did a little bit of research and quickly discovered that a parent could opt their child out of the sports physical by writing a letter to the principal of the school stating “I do not consent to a sports physical for my child.” Check your state’s laws. So often (almost always), schools lie to parents about what is required, be it vaccinations (no shots, no school), or sports physicals (must have one).

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Dawn B's avatar

Yes ignorance...

Doctors just follow orders like police and teachers etc. I was an ignorant teacher 25 yrs and quit over the masks. Then I started researching and realized the world is much worse than I thought.

The world is like Sodom and Gomorrah.

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Lyndsay's avatar

Absolutely agree! Be prepared for the fear tactics and they do not back down from a simple no we aren’t doing that. They push the flu vaccine so hard and act so shocked when you say no. They say oh wow it’s going to be a really bad flu season are you sure? Yes I’m sure. Then their whole mood changes because they don’t get to make extra money and put another tally mark to collect their office’s bonus for hitting the next target. We have seen the documents now showing this, it’s real, it’s not a conspiracy theory.

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Connie Lemmincakes's avatar

OR skip the “well child” visits entirely. They’re only designed around the v-ax schedule. We never see docs unless absolutely necessary.

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Lyndsay's avatar

Not an option in Florida. Not sure what state you live but even private schools here require a visit before school starts. My daughter is in a private school and there’s no way around this, we never go otherwise and would never go voluntarily. Home school would be the only way to avoid entirely.

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AngelaA's avatar

You don’t have to see a pediatrician. See a family doctor who is respectful of your views, then you’re on record as seeing a doctor but avoid all the pitfalls of those pediatric “well” checks.

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Lyndsay's avatar

At this age (9) it is not the pediatrician requiring us to come. we don’t go for well visits. We go once a year only for the form required by the state of Florida department of health to attend each school year.

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AngelaA's avatar

But there is no requirement to see a pediatrician. Any doctor is sufficient. We used a family doc for years but now only see a chiropractor. My kids (all teens now) have never seen a pediatrician once.

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Peace's avatar

Lily - I found this from the Florida Dept. of Health stating the health exam is ONLY for the initial entry into a Florida school (NOT needed annually). I'm hoping this is correct - would love to see where the state of Florida requires an annual health exam - if so, what a crock! "Students in grades prekindergarten through twelfth grade who are making their initial entry into a Florida school must present a record of a school entry health examination completed within one year before enrollment." https://www.floridahealth.gov/programs-and-services/childrens-health/school-health/enrollment.html

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Peace's avatar

Florida requires a form annually?! Or just at kindergarten?!

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Dawn B's avatar

I live in SO FL and use a chiroprator for the wellness and sports check up requirements. Back in 2019 Pediactric Associates refused to accept unvaxxed children even though we had been taking them there since the 90s.

I got religious vax exemptions from the local health dept for them too and it was pretty simple.

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IR's avatar

I’m in FL. We went to “well child” visits but I found an integrative pediatric practice and they didn’t push the vaccines the way they are normally pushed. They even made a video on their website years ago that they didn’t push flu shots the way cdc does but I think they removed it. They offer them at every visit and recommend them but they work with the patient, if someone wants to spread them out, get only certain ones or not to get at all. I’m not sure how they are now, we haven’t gone in a long time. It was Miami Beach Pediatrics. Dr. Bruce Eisenberg. What I can say is they respect your decision, this was my experience with them. I think the best thing to do is to find a provider that’s not a complete zealot when it comes to this issue

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Connie Lemmincakes's avatar

Wait, you’re forced to go to the doctor?

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Roger Beal's avatar

One of the many intrastate problems that Governor DeSantis is too busy (now) to address.

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Sunnydaze's avatar

Nailed it 🎯

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Lyndsay's avatar

Yup. School sends out an email in June saying, the Florida Dept of Health requires a Florida School Entry Health Exam every year and preferably should be submitted by august 1 before school starts Aug 21. Also it says must have a current Immunization form on file or an exemption form.

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Connie Lemmincakes's avatar

Well I think Jeff needs to look into that. I believe that’s unconstitutional!

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CeCe Brown's avatar

This must be new in last 4 years. I taught in FL for 30 years and raised 5 kids in public school. They have never required a yearly physical. They do require shot records.

They are pushing their control too far!!! So glad I'm retired and my kids are grown.

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CeCe Brown's avatar

Had to do a little research on this. Florida's Health Department said:

The state of Florida only requires school physicals for the initial enrollment into a Florida school; however, we recommend that your child receive well checks annually, even if your child appears completely healthy.

If your district is requiring it, they are overreaching state requirements.

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Lyndsay's avatar

It is a waste of time for my healthy happy child, that’s for sure! they call it a health exam. And all the schools require that particular health exam form to be signed by the doctor. I guess it could potentially help children in abusive homes , or who are malnourished, who would otherwise fly under the radar, to get the attention and help they need.

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CuiBono?'s avatar

“or an exemption form”...hopefully that means exemptions are readily available there? I know in our red state it was very easy to obtain an exemption based simply on “philosophical” grounds- just a phone call to the state dept of health in our capitol city and then submitting the exemption form to the school nurse. Each year, everyone I talked to or dealt with was incredibly laid back and friendly about it - no questions or attitude whatsoever, I don’t think they thought anything of it at all? This was many years before covid but I’m hoping the same is true today for parents here who choose to opt out. I wish you the best!

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RunningLogic's avatar

It really should be an opt in system not opt out. I don’t like when you have to jump through hoops to be “allowed” to disagree with the state.

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S.P.H.'s avatar

And the state pays for this mandatory examination?

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ConcernedGrammy's avatar

The well-visits, besides being scheduled around the vax schedule, are meant to convince you that the doctor knows your child better than you do. Just setting up compliance mentality for the future.

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Peter GL's avatar

my daughter shopped around to find a pediatrician for my granddaughter who wasn't vac-trigger-happy. I'll send her your post for moral support

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AJ#2's avatar

It is hard. Mine trust their doctors.May I suggest checking if your state has a chapter of Children's Health Defense and find some kindred spirits. My state chapter page also has links to other local organizations involved in medical rights issues.

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nancy knox-bierman's avatar

Yes-they trust the docs over us and mine just do not want to hear about the $40-60k yearly bonus to pediatricians who fully vaccinate 65% of their patients.

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CStone's avatar

Went to link. Message popped up that the page no longer exists.

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Freebird's avatar

I think these messages about the food supply are scammers of some sort. They are repeated ad nauseum and don't seem credible at all.

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Laura Hayes's avatar

Annette, and to all Parents and Grandparents,

Here is a list of articles of mine, shortest to longest, to consider sharing, maybe one at a time, with those you are trying to educate regarding the dangers, failures, and lack of need for vaccines, not to mention the corruption that underlies them from manufacture to mandate, and beyond.

“Here Is What I Don’t Understand”

https://www.ageofautism.com/2019/09/here-is-what-i-dont-understand.html

“If Your Baby Could Talk”

https://www.ageofautism.com/2018/08/if-your-newborn-baby-could-talk.html

“The Baby Food Is Organic…the Shots Are Not”

https://www.ageofautism.com/2015/06/the-baby-food-is-organicthe-shots-are-not.html

“I Have Decided to Vaccinate My Child Because…”

https://www.ageofautism.com/2014/08/i-have-decided-to-vaccinate-my-child-because.html

“Vaccines: What Is There to Be ‘Pro’ About?”

https://www.ageofautism.com/2016/12/vaccines-what-is-there-to-be-pro-about-laura-hayes-to-weston-a-price-foundation-conference.html

“Why Is This Legal?”

https://www.ageofautism.com/2018/11/why-is-this-legal-presentation-on-vaccines-by-laura-hayes.html

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Gabriella's avatar

Oh, thank you so very much for these article links.

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Laura Hayes's avatar

Gabriella,

You are most welcome! Here is a link to my publicly-available work, should you want to peruse the list to see if anything else piques your interest :)

https://www.ageofautism.com/exclusives.html

Also, I recently did a 2-part interview with Peggy Hall, The Healthy American. I think it may run this week. I will post a link here once it is live :)

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Laura Hayes's avatar

One more, Gabriella, that sums up the situation in 12 minutes for those who prefer to watch and listen versus read. It is my first rally speech opposing SB277 in CA, back in 2015. I delivered this speech prior to a “carve out” being added to exempt homeschoolers. Originally, the bill applied to ALL children in CA, age 0-18, for both daycare and school (be it public, private, or home). The egregious, tyrannical, rights-stripping bill quickly became law in CA.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7WWEiEPUWSU&feature=youtu.be

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Gabriella's avatar

Thank you again. Saving all of these.

Needing to inform my 26 year old daughter who keeps getting all the shots despite me warning her not to since 2021.

Love Peggy Hall. I get her videos in emails. I will look for the interview with you.

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Lyndsay's avatar

Make sure your daughter knows how easy it is to get exemption. It is very easy. I wish someone had told me!. If your daughter is just pro vax that won’t matter. But I only allowed my My daughter, who is 9 now, to get it because back then I thought well it’s probably fine and how will she go to school without them. My child is healthy, thank God, but I am so upset with myself for taking that risk. Now these vaccines also include sterilization and other evils to promote depopulation. Read the post yesterday from dr Malone on depopulating.

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Jayne Doe's avatar

NVIC.org National Vaccine Information Center and Barbara Loe Fischer's site. Education material and resources. Make an account to view state specific information.

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Andrea Leshok's avatar

Annette and Nancy- my oldest kids are full schedule vaxed thru 4yo. I think 2/3 show side effects that are likely compounded by other factors (diet, my diet while pregnant, environmental toxins, etc). At this point I can only pray and trust that God will take care of them in spite of my many mistakes (not limited to vaccines). I hope this brings you some peace- that regardless of your children's choice you can pray for your grandkids.

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nancy knox-bierman's avatar

Mine are all vaxxing their babies despite they themselves not being vaxxed. Mom is a tattooed, pot-smoking wack job, right?

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Annie's avatar

I told my nieces that if they get their children vaccinated, to observe them closely up to 30 days after as that is when autism, side and other side effects mostly occur. Yes. I want them to be on alert for 30 days like watching a Russian roulette. They need to think long and hard about they do to their children.

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Roger Beal's avatar

And (Lord forbid) if kiddo shows signs of post-vaxx autism on day 31, what does a parent do THEN? My guess is, cry, because nothing on earth will undo the damage.

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Dick's avatar

Vax detox. High vit C, sunlight (& don’t forget early & sunset too.)

I just did a search & this popped up. https://naturallymademom.com/how-to-detox-children-from-vaccines

Reasonable and do-able. Two of her recommendations are supplements of forms of thuja and silica. Well, I learned about thuja for detoxing the cv jab. It is good ol’ Arbor Vitae. A very nice tea is made from a handful of those layered needly sprigs & can be used safely a few times a day. (But, do NOT use thuja OIL internally! I avoid altogether. )

I use scrounged native, horsetail for my silica — cold-brewed all day or hot tea, cooled —but it is available in tincture form.

Look all these up👆🏼 Search. Read! Note precautions & use several reliable sources. Do not rely on my words for specific guidance, please — just pointing to the trails.

Godspeed!🙏🏽✝️🕊 Never give up! Never despair!!

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ConcernedGrammy's avatar

Yeah, that's when SIDS happens, too. Nothing can bring back those children.

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Laura Kasner's avatar

🙏🙏🙏

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Donna Sudbrook's avatar

I came across this information on giving vitamin c before and after vaccines to take care of the toxicity ..... have been suggesting that to family members who still take vaccines. If you search on "vitamin c and vaccines" there are more articles out there too especially on the www.orthomolecular.org select "Library", select "News Releases" site. Turns out high doses of vitamin c can take care of alot of toxins. going back to Dr. Frederick Klenner, Dr. Robert Cathcart ... Dr. Thomas Levy is today a foremost expert on high dose vitamin c therapy..... there is a ton of info out there. http://www.orthomolecular.org/resources/omns/v08n07.shtml

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

Orthomolecular Medicine News Service, February 14, 2012

Vitamin C Prevents Vaccination Side Effects; Increases Effectiveness

by Thomas E Levy, MD, JD

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Dick's avatar

Yes!!!

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ConcernedGrammy's avatar

Casually mention that there is zero liability for any vaccine manufacturer if her child happens to have one of those (not so) "rare" adverse reactions. Does any other manufacturer ANYWHERE have complete immunity of liability for their product? Especially a product that is "required" by the government, to attend daycare or school? If someone had told me that, I would've looked closer, for sure. As it was (thankfully) my children were mostly vaxxed prior to 1987, when big pharma "coverage" went into effect. Still, I completely regret letting them get jabbed.

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RunningLogic's avatar

This is great!! I’m glad people are questioning everything now! I used to think vaccines were helpful and safe for the vast majority and had only minimal suds effects (except for HPV, was never on board for that one, also Hep B because I didn’t see the need). Now I want to see loads of clear hard evidence to prove safety and efficacy before I even consider taking another one and my child is done with them, when he’s an adult, he can make up his own mind (hopefully he’ll be skeptical) but I’m not inflicting any more on him.

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Annie's avatar

I apologized to my adult children and said I was sorry I was so trusting and blind to get them vaccinated. They hugged me and were shocked I think. I want that day to be forever pressed in their memory. So they don't make my mistakes.

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daverkb's avatar

The System operates on lies. People make money off of lies. Some people make money adopting to advantage themselves of lies. And some, the most of us, earn their daily bread in a System of Lies not fully understanding that they exist in a world where everything is basically a lie. It has taken me a lifetime of travel to 'get out from under' the pernicious demonic atrocity called the government and education of Man which has led us to civilizational ruin. To free oneself from habitually told lies paraded as truth is about the most difficult thing a person can do.

Although now and for sometime an Reformed orthodox Christian, I was brought up in the Christian Science belief. And so, by happy inculcated reflex I seldom saw doctors at all. Only in rare circumstances. I did get the polio vaccine and one flu shot. But that's all. The short of it is that I managed to elude all the medical crap only by a happy accident of birth. If the circumstances had been different? A real open question!

Edit: And as an afterthought, and when the Pandemic That Never Was struck, I checked the Christian Science Monitor to see what they were saying. Incredibly, the Christian Science Monitor contained editorials advising Christian Scientists to get the shots? There reasoning was that 'matter' and 'mortal mind' could never hurt anyone so long as they 'knew the truth' of Divine Science. It looks like the Christian Scientists caved to government and folded on principle. Go figure!

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Maggie Think of Me's avatar

It was their taking the govt money that drives that wagon.......

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daverkb's avatar

Thanks for writing! Yes! Money drives the wagon ... and the glories of the public/private Fascist public partnership, really code for centrally planned command economy based in militarism and world conquest. Sick! Sick! Sick!

Here's today's Alex Christoforou's video at Rumble. Alex has been in Moscow for the past few days. Take a look ... see a new Metro station and a Moscow mall. Sanctions are really working well as you will see! In these videos, you will see wonderful public places, no litter, no graffiti, everyone looking pretty good, no Zombies with green, orange and purple hair. Things actually look NORMAL. And now the United States looks run down like the old Soviet Union did when I was there some 55 years ago. (He films and walks as he speaks)

https://rumble.com/v32i6a6-biden-lawyer-clown-world.-russia-2-gdp-growth.-fires-in-greece.-white-house.html

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Maggie Think of Me's avatar

And look what just happened to Mitch McConnell.... a major brain freeze... he was escourted away by one of the republican Senators.

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Michael Framson's avatar

So Maggie, do you a mini-mini stroke?

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Michael Framson's avatar

Wow I really screwed up and didn't proof what I wrote. I was wondering if McConnell had a mini-mini stroke?

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N Springer's avatar

I’ve told my kids my biggest regret with regard to parenting was getting them vaccinated. Especially since I knew in my gut it was wrong. But I wasn’t strong enough to stand up to the doctors and I had no one else that felt the same. At least my last one wasn’t vaccinated till she was 5, so her list is short. But my oldest got almost all of them. And he’s the one that had the most issues. If I could turn back time…

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Gregg Behmer's avatar

I just told my daughter who is turning 17 that I am sorry I did that to her and her brother who is 16. I didn't know. If I knew then what I know now I don't know that I would have gotten them any vaccines. They didn't get covid shots and they aren't getting the 2nd dose of the 2 dose meningitis vaccine, but that is the last one they both were scheduled to get I think. So unfortunately they got all the others.

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JW's avatar

However, here it is over 50 yrs past the dispensing of the Salk polio vaccine and just recently they are correlating them to brain tumors and other maladies. Seems that even time passed (or is that "The Passage Of Time "😉) even makes a difference.

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Dick's avatar

Curious, I looked this up. Was familiar with the many contaminated doses given to children in the late 50s & 1960, I think. Cancer and little noted Epstein Barr-like illness. Showed up many years later.

But, found that they’re having a good success treating the devastating and difficult Glioblastoma brain cancer…with a modified polio virus. Go figure.

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JW's avatar

Interesting. The culprit becomes the cure.

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OnTheJump's avatar

Same. Believed. Put the kids thru the regimen of vax's, now they r special ed. Wish eyes had opened earlier.

Earning back trust highly unlikely.

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Annie's avatar

Never again.

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On an island's avatar

I agree FedupInOR, it’s time to question ALL of the many injections they want people to blindly accept.

Here’s an example. Yesterday my coworker had a bandaid on her arm and when asked if she hurt herself she said ‘oh no, i had my checkup at the doctor and i got a tetanus shot.’ I asked if she had stepped on a nail or something and she replied ‘no, i was just due.’ 🤦🏻‍♀️

People need to do their own research and avoid unnecessary pharma fixes.

https://www.statnews.com/2020/02/25/adults-dont-need-booster-vaccinations-for-tetanus-diphtheria-study/

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Butterfly2510's avatar

It’s not just about questioning the vaccines anymore. If you’re awake, surely you realize you/me/we must question almost every medical procedure unless you show up in the ER due to a life threatening trauma..

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FourWinds's avatar

And even then I am going to question every. single. thing. I don't trust anyone any more in the medical field. Never really did, but the scamdemic drove that nail in the coffin.

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Peace's avatar

Great article - thank you for posting!

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Citizen Satirist (CS)'s avatar

At some point, these a-hole health care "professionals" will recognize they are out of a new BMW IF enough people stop believing in their hocus-pocus....

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Jennifer's avatar

I lived in Oregon my whole life until two years ago so hello! You know, I think royally messing up the COVID vaccine and trying to push it on innocent children was the greatest thing the CDC has ever done for parent empowerment. Both of my children got most of their vaccines (I did a delayed schedule and forewent unnecessary ones like rotovirus) but I definitely got push-back from the doctors (why don't you do more XYZ to catch them up faster, etc). Now that they harmed so many people and children with the COVID vaccine, I have ZERO problem saying no to boosters and vaccines. I feel like telling the CDC, "When you make a public apology and rescind all of your support for the COVID vaccine and financially and emotionally reimburse every last person whose child got a COVID vaccine, then I will consider listening to your recommendations. Until then, just continue telling me how men should chestfeed and I'll continue to never take your advice." I

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Concerned mom's avatar

That is SUCH GREAT news to hear. Next we need to start paying attention to what other issues may have been caused by what we've allowed ( my grown son told me several years ago that his sense of smell is almost non existent) hmmm.... 🤔

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FourWinds's avatar

I think this shows people are quite fed up with and no longer trusting the medical establishment, especially since they are now trying to put mrna crap in things like a flu "vaccine". The entire system is complete corrupt. They cut off their own head with the scamdemic - what did they think they would happen when they lied and we found out?

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Annie's avatar

My nieces are questioning every childhood vaxx for their children. And if they consent to any, they are spaced further apart. They said their pediatricians aren't pushing back. So that means it is very common. Good news. 👍

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Baga's avatar

Many doctors are pushing back. My daughter was fired from her pediatrician’s practice when she told the doctor she would not be vaccinating her baby or the the older two boys anymore.

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Annie's avatar

That doctor did her a good service. They let her know what a quack doctor they are and they do not respect a parent's right. Screw them and run from that so called doctor.

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Monterey's avatar

That means the doctor was upset that they would not be able to meet the percentage required by the insurance company to get the five figure bonus$$ promised if a certain percentage of their patients got fully vaxxed. It's about the money, most likely.

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AB's avatar

We were fired too. Good riddance though. My kids haven’t been sick since we ‘lost’ our pediatrician.

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M VARR's avatar

That doctor is a thug and a bully.

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Mindful's avatar

I was kicked out of the office bc I didn't jab enough.

Now in California its harder to find a doctor bc they all are afraid to deviate from state of California recommendations, lest they take their license away.

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Amuzed_Traveler's avatar

Yep, being an OC native I’m having a very hard time finding a true doctor. I went to a new PCP last week (haven’t had a physical in 15 years and I’m coming up on 69), and he and the nurse before him were masked. I told them both that their masks didn’t make me feel any more comfortable and they were free to remove them. They both declined. At the top of my on screen chart, in bold red, was my C19 “unvaxxed” status. I wonder if, at this late date, that was their concern.

Charlatans.

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Mindful's avatar

Unbelievable. Another reason to be happy that I moved out of California

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deathcap's avatar

My old pediatrician pushed back hard. My new pediatrician doesn't. And her nurse *also* doesn't trust the schedule. I don't know if times are changing but it's definitely a welcome change from my own personal experience.

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Lyndsay's avatar

They won’t push back to spacing them apart but that’s just a compromise of sorts, they still make money and get to poison the children.

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Laura Kasner's avatar

I just read the first chapter of Turtles. That should be enough to make everyone into an antivaxxer.

I recently sent a baby gift to my friends daughter. I included the book Turtles and put a note on it asking her to read just the first chapter. Cuz, you know - IT’S TOO LONG. I DON’T HAVE TIME. 😩

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Based Florida Man's avatar

That's all you need to read. That first chapter is mind blowing. They never test ANY of these shots against a placebo! Only against other (quite flawed) vaccines.

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daiva's avatar

🗨 On occasion man will stumble over the truth, but usually he will pick himself up, dust himself off, and hurry on as if nothing had happened ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Let's pray this time is different 🙂

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SheThinksLiberty's avatar

That quote is ascribed to Winston Churchill.

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RunningLogic's avatar

Thank you, I figured it was a quote from the way it was phrased but didn’t know who’d said it.

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Renea Buchholz's avatar

That's fascinating. I live in the valley and I have been thinking all of Oregon is full of jabbed karens and Kyles. I do have a friends and family who said hell no. But it feels small at times. Thanks for the hope!

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Peter Schott's avatar

From everything I've seen, once you get outside the left coast for Oregon, most of the state is pretty sane - even wanting to leave and join Idaho because of the craziness coming from Portland. I think that part of the state was even among the first to experience the joy of pumping their own gas. :)

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Renea Buchholz's avatar

Very true. I live in the coast range now. Up in the sticks. But born and raised in the bluest of blue Eugene. Grew up surrounded by hippie culture which I see has now turned out to be a fake. Once all those hippies were faced with something scary in their older age they bowed to the govt. quicker than one could imagine.

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Leskunque Lepew's avatar

All my old hippie friends instantly rolled up their sleeves. I was shocked!

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FH's avatar

And it's not just the injections. It's *everything*! For instance, what happened to the anti-war movement? How come suddenly it's okay for corporations to tell the government what to do? How come my generation developed a trust in government when the motto of the late '60s and all of the '70s was "don't trust The Man"?

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Dick's avatar

Bc… they conformed then and they conform now. The perks, socially, lead by the nose ring.

As one of that eminently culpable generation of the MEs, who complained bitterly about their parents & bought into the mass counterculture psyops, I am disgusted. Luckily, I was a lousy student and a goof. Saved me til I gained some maturity & learned how to learn. God spared me consequences of some really stupid mistakes. Saved me Period. In His good time, in His good hands.

May he Bless us, every one.

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Freebird's avatar

I wasn't surprised at that. I know of one who's very smart but has no wisdom at all. She stood in line for 2 hours on a cold February day to get her shot as soon as it was approved for her.

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RunningLogic's avatar

Yup fake, they were just following the crowd and the “in”, trendy thing, and are doing the same now.

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Dick's avatar

Woh! Just replied with the same. 😎

Great minds I guess

Lol

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Jean Mac's avatar

Sooo true!! My next door neighbors...

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Fla Mom's avatar

And the fake feminists, like Hillary, who while sneering at the country song "Stand By Your Man," did exactly that for her entire married life and who are now selling out young women who don't want to be exposed to men in locker rooms, bathrooms, or to compete against them on sports teams. And the fake 'protectors of children' like Hillary, who are all silent, at best, in the face of child sex trafficking.

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Karen Bandy's avatar

Very good point. I grew up in SW Portland and went to Eugene for college and taught there for 3 years. Lots of hippies were still around in the mid-seventies, they’re still there like you say. Happy for the government dole.

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AnitaB's avatar

Wait, what?..pumping their own gas? I thought full service gas stations went away in the 80’s.

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Peter Schott's avatar

New Jersey and Oregon were the last holdouts. Now it's just New Jersey. And "full service" is hardly the right term for the gas stations. You need to pay someone to pump your gas. They don't check tires, clean windows, check oil, or any of that. They just take your card, run it through the machine, and then pump your gas. It's a really strange experience when you come from ... just about any other state. It's also really annoying when there's one person working for a station with 12-16 pumps.

Not really sure the reasoning behind these laws. I could maybe see that way back in the day there might have been some odd health concern, but otherwise it looks like a way to keep people employed for a job that's not really needed in most cases. (There are some cases where people really can't pump their own gas, but most people seem to get by just fine once they figure out how to operate those strange machines. :) )

I will say that I noticed gas prices for NJ were lower than NY the couple of times I've had to get gas there, even with a person paid to do a job I could do. Says something about taxes, I'm pretty sure.

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Notyours's avatar

Lower than PA as well. I'm not terribly close, but check the math every now and again to see if it's worth making the drive to fill up.

Wife's Suburban has a 44 gallon tank.

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Kitkat's avatar

I have several ultra-lib friends who just left the SF Bay area and moved to Rogue Valley, OR. Sadly, they will take their crazy ultra-lib ways with them.

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Carol S's avatar

That always boggles my mind You're leaving an area because it became intolerable due to the government policies that you voted for, and yet you'[ll still vote stupid in your destination, which isn't screwed up because its government policies are different from the place you escaped. WHY would you still vote for stupid?!?!?

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Kitkat's avatar

Sadly, because they are either too blind to see the connection, or just flat-out refuse to connect the dots. I try to gently point things out to them, and they just shut me down. I'm that crazy conspiracy theorist Trump supporter. *sigh*

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Dick's avatar

Arrogance. Ease. Lifestyle. Entitlement. Niceness. Oh, and a complete lack of self-doubt and introspection. There must be a name for this pathology.

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Dick's avatar

Yep, Granny

…And I was one of ‘em.

…But for the Grace of God (and fervent prayers of MY

Granny !! (😊)

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Franklin O'Kanu's avatar

I've written a couple pieces about "dissolving illusions" as they're all around us (I may have to check out the book you mentioned too).

If we look, we see all these illusions are primarily formed from what's known as Scientism. This is the dogmatic thinking to science, and in the article below I discuss just how scienctism has shapped our world view:

https://unorthodoxy.substack.com/p/the-religious-tenants-of-scientism

I mentioned this piece yesterday, but when we talk about the illusion of space, looking at spaceX is a great place to start:

https://unorthodoxy.substack.com/p/the-great-spacex-deception

https://unorthodoxy.substack.com/p/the-spirituality-of-flat-earth

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Raptor's avatar

Maybe they are questioning other vaccines - which would be terrific, but as far as COVID goes: https://data.news-leader.com/covid-19-vaccine-tracker/oregon/lane-county/41039/

Poor Oregon. They need to sweep out the mess they made of one of the most beautiful states in America IMO.

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S.P.H.'s avatar

Very difficult to do Raptor with the stolen elections. People have lost confidence in the entire vote by mail scheme, and many have simply quit voting.

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Raptor's avatar

You are so right S.P.H

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Dick's avatar

I live here in the W Valley too. That info about Oregon is great to know…and also astonishing since PDX, Salem and Eugene are the only real bastions of fanatical wokeness In the State (well, and Bend). Plenty of small-town, farm, & country independent Oregonians in between, though, quietly living amidst.

My grown kids & grandparent friends (threatened w/ no visits w/ grandkids) got the jab. But, as I always have my ear to the ground, I note how little impacted we are compared to the rest of the nation (& world!) — nobody has (& much less, knows) the horror stories I read about (in non-msm) everywhere.

So I want to mention another thing: Batches.

I’m convinced (so far) that we here were delivered much less toxic batches or possibly even saline —- with enough adjuvants still in the jabs to give them the sore arm, yucky, sick days following , etc — EXACTLY what they were told to expect were the usual and ONLY side effects! Thus confirming the lies & affirming the blessing promised by the “science” — and guaranteeing their ongoing compliance! Both a mercy …and a trap for this maverick blue state

Weird! People here just go along as ever. Some are savvy, but many — especially my busy offspring — think I’m a tipover case & don’t read any of the stuff I’ve sent them these last years. I don’t even try any more. My credibility with them is in shreds. They just don’t SEE it.

Meanwhile I wait and pray with apprehension, one eye ever scanning for delayed signs of clots, neuro, heart/organ damage & other myriad “side effects”. (& I’m ready with my arsenal of curative whatnot).

One consequence of our apparent escape from the full assault is that in future, these folks are apt to get whatever new or continuing poison they’ve told is beneficial & necessary, trusting “the science” more than ever.

After all…

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Karen Bandy's avatar

Yep, Bend is now woke 😭 All those Portland, Bay Area and Seattle transplants. Don’t forget the trust fund babies, and remote workers from the Silicone Valley.

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daverkb's avatar

These 'people' think of everything. It is entirely possible that demographic/political consideration targeting played a part in the delivery system. I guess this would take a lot of work to figure this out.

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MaryAnn's avatar

I have been thinking the same thing about my blue state. The lethal/injurious jab side effects have been non-existent in my area, for which I am thankful, as most everyone I know readily rolled up their sleeves, multiple times.

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Dick's avatar

Yep. Working theory right now, but still watching them for any delayed mischief & wary. People are still dropping many months after last doses. 🙏🏽🙏🏽👆🏼🕊✝️

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Dick's avatar

Where’d you go, DaverKB?

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Deb B's avatar

ALERT

TURTLES ALL THE WAY DOWN. Was so excited to see what I thought was this book on Audible. It was not the book on Vaxx. There is a fiction book by the same name (not very good, either:-). by John Green. You want the subtitle: Vaccine Science and Myth

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Dick's avatar

Hmmm…wonder which came first 🤔🤔🤔

I think sometimes this is purposely done to obscure the published truths they don’t want people to see.

Reality is catching up to my paranoia.

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Jenna Pierce's avatar

I was so excited to read turtles. I put it on reserve at the library. About half a page in I realized my terrible mistake 🤣

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Renea Buchholz's avatar

Thank you for that. I almost got that on audible and was confused . So I opted for the illusion one first

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LS Woodruff's avatar

So good to hear this!! At this point I can't shake knowing that ALL 'v-ccines' are meant to mess with your God given immune system...... Letting that sink in has been so unsettling. Every one of them in some way is trying to alter our bodies, the way that God designed them and we are created in His image..... Genesis 1:27.

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Oregon Kathy's avatar

You’re speaking of the very fertile Willamette Valley Oregon. Aren’t there a number of ethnic groups? I know in particular of a large slavic farming community who were never very interested in politics, never voted. But in recent years they saw the direction our country was going, put out the call for their community to register to vote, and recommended conservative candidates. Willamette Valley groups like that might have skewed the vaccinated numbers down. If you're on FB you can find them at Slavic Vote...you'll be inspired to see what they're doing.

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Texas nurse's avatar

I have two friends who just had babies and refused all shots. So proud of them. The tide is definitely turning. I helped prep them through knowing their rights and being ok with the treatment from the nursing staff. I’m sad I used to be that nurse who talked bad about patients who refused v-x😢

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ConcernedGrammy's avatar

I can relate. I used to mock Jenny McCarthy. All this time, she was correct.

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Jenna Pierce's avatar

Same here! The greatest blessing from this whole covid fiasco is that it opened our eyes and many like us to not just the corruption of covid, but of the entire medical and pharmaceutical industries, and the U.S. government.

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S.P.H.'s avatar

Rebecca, admission and repentance, a healing salve of its own. I did this with my daughter.

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Karen Bandy's avatar

I believe that. There are are lot of free thinkers in Oregon but why the disconnect with the Covid shot and lockdowns and mandates? It seems far too many in the valley, and even over here in Central Oregon were happy to roll up their sleeves for grandma and the good of the people. They masked in Whole Foods, to the point of acting like Nazi’s if one didn’t. They bragged about their fully vaccinated Thanksgivings. They called the unvaccinated dirty swines. They thought Kate Brown was doing a good job with the pandemic.

The disconnect was baffling to me, a life-long Oregonian. Note, I’m an artist so my circle has more than it’s share of covidians, which while puzzling to me, it saw a lot of shot-lovers. Maybe because they’ve never had to run a real business, they’ve always worked for woke corporations and taught school, who knows. They are true liberals. So, back to my original question, why were they so eager to take the shot?

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Dick's avatar

Not sure, but it is a conundrum.

One of the differences here is that the state govt did not tread TOO heavily. Other states, with the same mandates as OR, imposed harsh penalties and used LE in shocking ways against the people. Conversely, enforcement here was lax or absent. I think they knew they’d better not push it too far. And, they concentrated efforts in crazy Portland (enabling mayhem).

Pretty smart move. We have guns and big trucks. We pretty much set an imaginary cordon & contained toxic Portland like sacks circling an oil spill. I live not 40 minutes away & haven’t been there since early 2020. No plans to visit either.

So, to your question? Especially the artists and indie types which abound here? It is, I think, because it was THEIR people in the govt.

and THEY’re good! So… Also it’s THEIR experts, THEIR bloggers and in-the-know podcasters either they or someone of influence listens to. There’s more, but I’ll leave it there.

I am so happy to know so many fellow Oregonians are here!! Thank you, Jeff! And thanks fellow Oregon goofballs for weighing in. We need an Oregon chapter of

C & C peeps to meet someplace for — what else?

…Picnic at Champoeg? Smith Rock?

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Karen Bandy's avatar

I agree with what you said especially about the libs who voted for ‘their people’. Although here some businesses were fined for not following protocols like masks. Some lost their suits, some won. Not sure if there’s any news of cases. I think it was OSHA that levied the fines.

I would love to come to a C&C picnic in Champoeg!!! How can we organize it?

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Karen Bandy's avatar

Smith Rock would be even better for me 😉 but I think most people are in or near the valley 🤷‍♀️

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Dick's avatar

I lived in Redmond for 6 months. Loved Smith rock! Those sunrises!!

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Michael Framson's avatar

I thought several months ago there was a Portland gathering of Coffee & Covid.

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Dick's avatar

Well…missed it. Rats.

Maybe there’ll be another. Thanks!

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S.P.H.'s avatar

I missed it also, and it would be interesting to meet fellow C&C readers.

Much like the Rush rooms of old.

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Dick's avatar

Prolly mostly old farts! Lol! But the hippest of the hip. T’would be delightful and delovely.

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Dick's avatar

I did not get the organizing gene, so I hope someone who did takes this on! (But, the DIS-organizing gene…!)

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Donna Sudbrook's avatar

I wonder if that place in Oregon is near the Linus Pauling Institute at Oregon State University.... he coined the word "orthomolecular" in 1968 I believe it was according to the homepage of the website www.orthomolecular.org . alot of high dose vitamin c as therapy information, etc, etc,

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Sharon Beautiful Evening's avatar

Beautiful - keep on sharing with a caring heart and mind--TRUTH will "out"!

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Debra (Rural & Red Oregonian)'s avatar

I find that hard to believe when Hate (Kate) Brown held the entire state hostage before she would lift all the mandates. This article from 2022 says that 80% of Multnomah County was shot up. Now rural Oregon is a whole different story. We are the real pioneers.

https://fhspost.com/pps-lifts-district-wide-mask-mandate-in-schools/

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S.P.H.'s avatar

I too question the stat of non-jabbed residents in the valley. I was removed and /or denied service from more than one business for not wearing a face diaper. My daughter the same (proud of her!) had the police called on her for shopping without a face diaper. I did enjoy the empty freeways for a couple weeks though!

The Wilammette Vally is beautiful and productive as many have said, but it is book-end by college towns, Portland in the north and Eugene at the south. Salem, the state capitol known as the marble nut house is right in the middle. The valley is ringed by vineyards, which seem to generate their own peculiar clientele. This is destroying the essence of free hard working agricultural Yamhill County, as it has destroyed Multnomah County.

I go along with the theory presented earlier that Oregon, assumed to be liberal already, was spared the worse of the bad jab juice. Me thinks that was to be made up with future 'boosts'.

This has been a tremendous thread and an educational joy to read, thanks to all that have participated. And jokingly as the sign said when I moved here long ago, "Please visit but don't stay".

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