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FedUpInOR's avatar

Had dinner with a guy and his wife from our church. He's out here going to medical school and we've been friends with them. The subject of v-ccines came up and he mentioned that the valley (Portland to Eugene in Oregon) is the most unvaccinated area in the US. I told them I no longer v-x my child/ren and gave them the books Dissolving Illusions and Turtles all the Way Down. They said they'd read them

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FedUpInOR's avatar

He mentioned that in clinical doctors are telling him that parents aren’t just questioning the COVID v-ccine, they’re now pushing back on all of them! #winning

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Annette's avatar

I hope so. my daughter just had a baby and I'm scared to death she's going to vax him. And I even got her the book Turtles all the way down my heart is breaking šŸ’”

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SA's avatar

Tell her to never allow her doctor to scare or pressure her into vaccinating. Always politely tell the dr that you will not do any procedures on this visit and would like to go home and research. Those ā€œwell-checkā€ visits are the most manipulative and coercive appointments. The doctors take advantage of tired parents and start the fear campaign. They’ll tell her things like- if you don’t get the prevnar vaccine, your child will get pneumonia. I got my child the prevnar vaccine and my child got pneumonia. Tell her to contact me if she needs the other side of the discussion bc her pediatrician won’t be giving her full informed consent.

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Laura Hayes's avatar

An oldie but a goodie is this book by the late Dr. Robert Mendelsohn:

ā€œHow to Raise a Healthy Child in Spite of Your Doctorā€

Encourage parents to forego ā€œwell baby visitsā€, from which those who are vaccinated leave never to be completely well again, and never to reach their full potential.

Additionally, if a pediatrician is one who has vaccines on-site, and who vaccinates his patients, time to find a new doctor.

For those in NY, Dr. Larry Palevsky is a pediatrician who does not vaccinate, and hasn’t for some 20 years. We need doctors like Dr. Palevsky, who don’t poison children, destroying their health, development, independence, fertility, and longevity.

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Annie's avatar

Yes. I would say forgo the well visits. It's like going to bank when you don't need to withdraw money etc. I think now they are gathering info to be used against you. If this scamdemic taught us one thing is to NOT trust the doctors and medical community.

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heather's avatar

M*R*N*A is being put in your food by the most evil tyrants ever and you must do this right now,.,.,., look at... https://disq.us/url?url=https%3A%2F%2Ft.co%2FgBr2wYZT8n%3A_lNF3y4cmX1jOfCsk5iklP92gkE&cuid=uu899r4

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Kathy Sincere's avatar

Every new parent should read/watch ALL the Laura Hayes Exclusive Editorials and videos on Age of Autism. Most comprehensive and thought-provoking material on vaccination! Thank you, Laura.

https://www.ageofautism.com/exclusives.html

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AngelaA's avatar

Excellent book! His chapter on fevers changed me forever, took away all fear and helped me to understand the only two times a high fever can be dangerous: when overheated from an external source, such as being stuck in a hot car, or from food poisoning. In all other cases of fever, the body has a shut-off mechanism to keep it from going too high, and is a necessary function to kill off pathogens and viruses. If only all new parents understood this, would save so many issues for those kids being pumped full of pharmaceuticals to bring down the fever (creating a whole other host of issues).

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SA's avatar

I agree. Find a functional medicine doctor. But sometimes this is too big of a step for parents who think a pediatrician from the hospital’s recommended list is needed. So first plant the seed and tell them what to expect. They’ll be more receptive when they see the playbook. Always encourage switching to functional med doctors, though.

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Sheri veley's avatar

Just went and bought this for my daughter. Hopefully she will read it, and I definitely will. My grandkids matter too much to me.

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Connie Lemmincakes's avatar

My absolutely favorite book while raising my children!!!

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Michael Framson's avatar

Laura Hayes is an excellent source as well. No one better who knows how to truly frame this critical issue. Wish I would have known Laura earlier in my life.

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Dawn B's avatar

My pediatrician's office no longer treats unvaxxed children. Pediactrics Associates... We haven't been back since before the plandemic. Fortunately we have not needed to go. I went to our chiropractor to get a sports participation permission slip.

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PamelaZelie's avatar

You’re better off without that pediatrician.

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CuiBono?'s avatar

Absolutely!

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Laura Hayes's avatar

Dawn B,

Good riddance with regard to not returning to the willfully ignorant, pridefully arrogant, possibly corrupt pediatrician. If he is okay with harming his patients on a regular and frequent basis via vaccinations, then he is likely okay with harming them via pharmaceuticals, unnecessary testing and procedures, and plenty of terrible advice.

Not sure which state you live in, but when I lived in CA, I did a little bit of research and quickly discovered that a parent could opt their child out of the sports physical by writing a letter to the principal of the school stating ā€œI do not consent to a sports physical for my child.ā€ Check your state’s laws. So often (almost always), schools lie to parents about what is required, be it vaccinations (no shots, no school), or sports physicals (must have one).

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Dawn B's avatar

Yes ignorance...

Doctors just follow orders like police and teachers etc. I was an ignorant teacher 25 yrs and quit over the masks. Then I started researching and realized the world is much worse than I thought.

The world is like Sodom and Gomorrah.

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Lyndsay's avatar

Absolutely agree! Be prepared for the fear tactics and they do not back down from a simple no we aren’t doing that. They push the flu vaccine so hard and act so shocked when you say no. They say oh wow it’s going to be a really bad flu season are you sure? Yes I’m sure. Then their whole mood changes because they don’t get to make extra money and put another tally mark to collect their office’s bonus for hitting the next target. We have seen the documents now showing this, it’s real, it’s not a conspiracy theory.

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Connie Lemmincakes's avatar

OR skip the ā€œwell childā€ visits entirely. They’re only designed around the v-ax schedule. We never see docs unless absolutely necessary.

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Lyndsay's avatar

Not an option in Florida. Not sure what state you live but even private schools here require a visit before school starts. My daughter is in a private school and there’s no way around this, we never go otherwise and would never go voluntarily. Home school would be the only way to avoid entirely.

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AngelaA's avatar

You don’t have to see a pediatrician. See a family doctor who is respectful of your views, then you’re on record as seeing a doctor but avoid all the pitfalls of those pediatric ā€œwellā€ checks.

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Lyndsay's avatar

At this age (9) it is not the pediatrician requiring us to come. we don’t go for well visits. We go once a year only for the form required by the state of Florida department of health to attend each school year.

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AngelaA's avatar

But there is no requirement to see a pediatrician. Any doctor is sufficient. We used a family doc for years but now only see a chiropractor. My kids (all teens now) have never seen a pediatrician once.

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Peace's avatar

Lily - I found this from the Florida Dept. of Health stating the health exam is ONLY for the initial entry into a Florida school (NOT needed annually). I'm hoping this is correct - would love to see where the state of Florida requires an annual health exam - if so, what a crock! "Students in grades prekindergarten through twelfth grade who are making their initial entry into a Florida school must present a record of a school entry health examination completed within one year before enrollment." https://www.floridahealth.gov/programs-and-services/childrens-health/school-health/enrollment.html

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Peace's avatar

Florida requires a form annually?! Or just at kindergarten?!

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Dawn B's avatar

I live in SO FL and use a chiroprator for the wellness and sports check up requirements. Back in 2019 Pediactric Associates refused to accept unvaxxed children even though we had been taking them there since the 90s.

I got religious vax exemptions from the local health dept for them too and it was pretty simple.

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IR's avatar

I’m in FL. We went to ā€œwell childā€ visits but I found an integrative pediatric practice and they didn’t push the vaccines the way they are normally pushed. They even made a video on their website years ago that they didn’t push flu shots the way cdc does but I think they removed it. They offer them at every visit and recommend them but they work with the patient, if someone wants to spread them out, get only certain ones or not to get at all. I’m not sure how they are now, we haven’t gone in a long time. It was Miami Beach Pediatrics. Dr. Bruce Eisenberg. What I can say is they respect your decision, this was my experience with them. I think the best thing to do is to find a provider that’s not a complete zealot when it comes to this issue

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Connie Lemmincakes's avatar

Wait, you’re forced to go to the doctor?

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Roger Beal's avatar

One of the many intrastate problems that Governor DeSantis is too busy (now) to address.

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Sunnydaze's avatar

Nailed it šŸŽÆ

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Lyndsay's avatar

Yup. School sends out an email in June saying, the Florida Dept of Health requires a Florida School Entry Health Exam every year and preferably should be submitted by august 1 before school starts Aug 21. Also it says must have a current Immunization form on file or an exemption form.

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Connie Lemmincakes's avatar

Well I think Jeff needs to look into that. I believe that’s unconstitutional!

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CeCe Brown's avatar

This must be new in last 4 years. I taught in FL for 30 years and raised 5 kids in public school. They have never required a yearly physical. They do require shot records.

They are pushing their control too far!!! So glad I'm retired and my kids are grown.

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CeCe Brown's avatar

Had to do a little research on this. Florida's Health Department said:

The state of Florida only requires school physicals for the initial enrollment into a Florida school; however, we recommend that your child receive well checks annually, even if your child appears completely healthy.

If your district is requiring it, they are overreaching state requirements.

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Lyndsay's avatar

It is a waste of time for my healthy happy child, that’s for sure! they call it a health exam. And all the schools require that particular health exam form to be signed by the doctor. I guess it could potentially help children in abusive homes , or who are malnourished, who would otherwise fly under the radar, to get the attention and help they need.

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CuiBono?'s avatar

ā€œor an exemption formā€...hopefully that means exemptions are readily available there? I know in our red state it was very easy to obtain an exemption based simply on ā€œphilosophicalā€ grounds- just a phone call to the state dept of health in our capitol city and then submitting the exemption form to the school nurse. Each year, everyone I talked to or dealt with was incredibly laid back and friendly about it - no questions or attitude whatsoever, I don’t think they thought anything of it at all? This was many years before covid but I’m hoping the same is true today for parents here who choose to opt out. I wish you the best!

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RunningLogic's avatar

It really should be an opt in system not opt out. I don’t like when you have to jump through hoops to be ā€œallowedā€ to disagree with the state.

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S.P.H.'s avatar

And the state pays for this mandatory examination?

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ConcernedGrammy's avatar

The well-visits, besides being scheduled around the vax schedule, are meant to convince you that the doctor knows your child better than you do. Just setting up compliance mentality for the future.

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Peter GL's avatar

my daughter shopped around to find a pediatrician for my granddaughter who wasn't vac-trigger-happy. I'll send her your post for moral support

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AJ#2's avatar

It is hard. Mine trust their doctors.May I suggest checking if your state has a chapter of Children's Health Defense and find some kindred spirits. My state chapter page also has links to other local organizations involved in medical rights issues.

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nancy knox-bierman's avatar

Yes-they trust the docs over us and mine just do not want to hear about the $40-60k yearly bonus to pediatricians who fully vaccinate 65% of their patients.

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CStone's avatar

Went to link. Message popped up that the page no longer exists.

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Freebird's avatar

I think these messages about the food supply are scammers of some sort. They are repeated ad nauseum and don't seem credible at all.

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Laura Hayes's avatar

Annette, and to all Parents and Grandparents,

Here is a list of articles of mine, shortest to longest, to consider sharing, maybe one at a time, with those you are trying to educate regarding the dangers, failures, and lack of need for vaccines, not to mention the corruption that underlies them from manufacture to mandate, and beyond.

ā€œHere Is What I Don’t Understandā€

https://www.ageofautism.com/2019/09/here-is-what-i-dont-understand.html

ā€œIf Your Baby Could Talkā€

https://www.ageofautism.com/2018/08/if-your-newborn-baby-could-talk.html

ā€œThe Baby Food Is Organic…the Shots Are Notā€

https://www.ageofautism.com/2015/06/the-baby-food-is-organicthe-shots-are-not.html

ā€œI Have Decided to Vaccinate My Child Becauseā€¦ā€

https://www.ageofautism.com/2014/08/i-have-decided-to-vaccinate-my-child-because.html

ā€œVaccines: What Is There to Be ā€˜Pro’ About?ā€

https://www.ageofautism.com/2016/12/vaccines-what-is-there-to-be-pro-about-laura-hayes-to-weston-a-price-foundation-conference.html

ā€œWhy Is This Legal?ā€

https://www.ageofautism.com/2018/11/why-is-this-legal-presentation-on-vaccines-by-laura-hayes.html

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One more:

ā€œBEWARE of ā€˜Standard of Careā€™ā€

https://www.ageofautism.com/2016/04/beware-of-standard-of-care.html

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Gabriella's avatar

Oh, thank you so very much for these article links.

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Laura Hayes's avatar

Gabriella,

You are most welcome! Here is a link to my publicly-available work, should you want to peruse the list to see if anything else piques your interest :)

https://www.ageofautism.com/exclusives.html

Also, I recently did a 2-part interview with Peggy Hall, The Healthy American. I think it may run this week. I will post a link here once it is live :)

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Laura Hayes's avatar

One more, Gabriella, that sums up the situation in 12 minutes for those who prefer to watch and listen versus read. It is my first rally speech opposing SB277 in CA, back in 2015. I delivered this speech prior to a ā€œcarve outā€ being added to exempt homeschoolers. Originally, the bill applied to ALL children in CA, age 0-18, for both daycare and school (be it public, private, or home). The egregious, tyrannical, rights-stripping bill quickly became law in CA.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7WWEiEPUWSU&feature=youtu.be

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Gabriella's avatar

Thank you again. Saving all of these.

Needing to inform my 26 year old daughter who keeps getting all the shots despite me warning her not to since 2021.

Love Peggy Hall. I get her videos in emails. I will look for the interview with you.

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Lyndsay's avatar

Make sure your daughter knows how easy it is to get exemption. It is very easy. I wish someone had told me!. If your daughter is just pro vax that won’t matter. But I only allowed my My daughter, who is 9 now, to get it because back then I thought well it’s probably fine and how will she go to school without them. My child is healthy, thank God, but I am so upset with myself for taking that risk. Now these vaccines also include sterilization and other evils to promote depopulation. Read the post yesterday from dr Malone on depopulating.

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Jayne Doe's avatar

NVIC.org National Vaccine Information Center and Barbara Loe Fischer's site. Education material and resources. Make an account to view state specific information.

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Andrea Leshok's avatar

Annette and Nancy- my oldest kids are full schedule vaxed thru 4yo. I think 2/3 show side effects that are likely compounded by other factors (diet, my diet while pregnant, environmental toxins, etc). At this point I can only pray and trust that God will take care of them in spite of my many mistakes (not limited to vaccines). I hope this brings you some peace- that regardless of your children's choice you can pray for your grandkids.

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nancy knox-bierman's avatar

Mine are all vaxxing their babies despite they themselves not being vaxxed. Mom is a tattooed, pot-smoking wack job, right?

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Annie's avatar

I told my nieces that if they get their children vaccinated, to observe them closely up to 30 days after as that is when autism, side and other side effects mostly occur. Yes. I want them to be on alert for 30 days like watching a Russian roulette. They need to think long and hard about they do to their children.

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Roger Beal's avatar

And (Lord forbid) if kiddo shows signs of post-vaxx autism on day 31, what does a parent do THEN? My guess is, cry, because nothing on earth will undo the damage.

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Dick's avatar

Vax detox. High vit C, sunlight (& don’t forget early & sunset too.)

I just did a search & this popped up. https://naturallymademom.com/how-to-detox-children-from-vaccines

Reasonable and do-able. Two of her recommendations are supplements of forms of thuja and silica. Well, I learned about thuja for detoxing the cv jab. It is good ol’ Arbor Vitae. A very nice tea is made from a handful of those layered needly sprigs & can be used safely a few times a day. (But, do NOT use thuja OIL internally! I avoid altogether. )

I use scrounged native, horsetail for my silica — cold-brewed all day or hot tea, cooled —but it is available in tincture form.

Look all these upšŸ‘†šŸ¼ Search. Read! Note precautions & use several reliable sources. Do not rely on my words for specific guidance, please — just pointing to the trails.

Godspeed!šŸ™šŸ½āœļøšŸ•Š Never give up! Never despair!!

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ConcernedGrammy's avatar

Yeah, that's when SIDS happens, too. Nothing can bring back those children.

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Laura Kasner's avatar

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Donna Sudbrook's avatar

I came across this information on giving vitamin c before and after vaccines to take care of the toxicity ..... have been suggesting that to family members who still take vaccines. If you search on "vitamin c and vaccines" there are more articles out there too especially on the www.orthomolecular.org select "Library", select "News Releases" site. Turns out high doses of vitamin c can take care of alot of toxins. going back to Dr. Frederick Klenner, Dr. Robert Cathcart ... Dr. Thomas Levy is today a foremost expert on high dose vitamin c therapy..... there is a ton of info out there. http://www.orthomolecular.org/resources/omns/v08n07.shtml

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

Orthomolecular Medicine News Service, February 14, 2012

Vitamin C Prevents Vaccination Side Effects; Increases Effectiveness

by Thomas E Levy, MD, JD

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Dick's avatar

Yes!!!

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ConcernedGrammy's avatar

Casually mention that there is zero liability for any vaccine manufacturer if her child happens to have one of those (not so) "rare" adverse reactions. Does any other manufacturer ANYWHERE have complete immunity of liability for their product? Especially a product that is "required" by the government, to attend daycare or school? If someone had told me that, I would've looked closer, for sure. As it was (thankfully) my children were mostly vaxxed prior to 1987, when big pharma "coverage" went into effect. Still, I completely regret letting them get jabbed.

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RunningLogic's avatar

This is great!! I’m glad people are questioning everything now! I used to think vaccines were helpful and safe for the vast majority and had only minimal suds effects (except for HPV, was never on board for that one, also Hep B because I didn’t see the need). Now I want to see loads of clear hard evidence to prove safety and efficacy before I even consider taking another one and my child is done with them, when he’s an adult, he can make up his own mind (hopefully he’ll be skeptical) but I’m not inflicting any more on him.

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Annie's avatar

I apologized to my adult children and said I was sorry I was so trusting and blind to get them vaccinated. They hugged me and were shocked I think. I want that day to be forever pressed in their memory. So they don't make my mistakes.

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daverkb's avatar

The System operates on lies. People make money off of lies. Some people make money adopting to advantage themselves of lies. And some, the most of us, earn their daily bread in a System of Lies not fully understanding that they exist in a world where everything is basically a lie. It has taken me a lifetime of travel to 'get out from under' the pernicious demonic atrocity called the government and education of Man which has led us to civilizational ruin. To free oneself from habitually told lies paraded as truth is about the most difficult thing a person can do.

Although now and for sometime an Reformed orthodox Christian, I was brought up in the Christian Science belief. And so, by happy inculcated reflex I seldom saw doctors at all. Only in rare circumstances. I did get the polio vaccine and one flu shot. But that's all. The short of it is that I managed to elude all the medical crap only by a happy accident of birth. If the circumstances had been different? A real open question!

Edit: And as an afterthought, and when the Pandemic That Never Was struck, I checked the Christian Science Monitor to see what they were saying. Incredibly, the Christian Science Monitor contained editorials advising Christian Scientists to get the shots? There reasoning was that 'matter' and 'mortal mind' could never hurt anyone so long as they 'knew the truth' of Divine Science. It looks like the Christian Scientists caved to government and folded on principle. Go figure!

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Maggie Think of Me's avatar

It was their taking the govt money that drives that wagon.......

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daverkb's avatar

Thanks for writing! Yes! Money drives the wagon ... and the glories of the public/private Fascist public partnership, really code for centrally planned command economy based in militarism and world conquest. Sick! Sick! Sick!

Here's today's Alex Christoforou's video at Rumble. Alex has been in Moscow for the past few days. Take a look ... see a new Metro station and a Moscow mall. Sanctions are really working well as you will see! In these videos, you will see wonderful public places, no litter, no graffiti, everyone looking pretty good, no Zombies with green, orange and purple hair. Things actually look NORMAL. And now the United States looks run down like the old Soviet Union did when I was there some 55 years ago. (He films and walks as he speaks)

https://rumble.com/v32i6a6-biden-lawyer-clown-world.-russia-2-gdp-growth.-fires-in-greece.-white-house.html

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Maggie Think of Me's avatar

And look what just happened to Mitch McConnell.... a major brain freeze... he was escourted away by one of the republican Senators.

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Michael Framson's avatar

So Maggie, do you a mini-mini stroke?

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Michael Framson's avatar

Wow I really screwed up and didn't proof what I wrote. I was wondering if McConnell had a mini-mini stroke?

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N Springer's avatar

I’ve told my kids my biggest regret with regard to parenting was getting them vaccinated. Especially since I knew in my gut it was wrong. But I wasn’t strong enough to stand up to the doctors and I had no one else that felt the same. At least my last one wasn’t vaccinated till she was 5, so her list is short. But my oldest got almost all of them. And he’s the one that had the most issues. If I could turn back time…

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Gregg Behmer's avatar

I just told my daughter who is turning 17 that I am sorry I did that to her and her brother who is 16. I didn't know. If I knew then what I know now I don't know that I would have gotten them any vaccines. They didn't get covid shots and they aren't getting the 2nd dose of the 2 dose meningitis vaccine, but that is the last one they both were scheduled to get I think. So unfortunately they got all the others.

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JW's avatar

However, here it is over 50 yrs past the dispensing of the Salk polio vaccine and just recently they are correlating them to brain tumors and other maladies. Seems that even time passed (or is that "The Passage Of Time "šŸ˜‰) even makes a difference.

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Dick's avatar

Curious, I looked this up. Was familiar with the many contaminated doses given to children in the late 50s & 1960, I think. Cancer and little noted Epstein Barr-like illness. Showed up many years later.

But, found that they’re having a good success treating the devastating and difficult Glioblastoma brain cancer…with a modified polio virus. Go figure.

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JW's avatar

Interesting. The culprit becomes the cure.

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OnTheJump's avatar

Same. Believed. Put the kids thru the regimen of vax's, now they r special ed. Wish eyes had opened earlier.

Earning back trust highly unlikely.

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Annie's avatar

Never again.

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On an island's avatar

I agree FedupInOR, it’s time to question ALL of the many injections they want people to blindly accept.

Here’s an example. Yesterday my coworker had a bandaid on her arm and when asked if she hurt herself she said ā€˜oh no, i had my checkup at the doctor and i got a tetanus shot.’ I asked if she had stepped on a nail or something and she replied ā€˜no, i was just due.’ šŸ¤¦šŸ»ā€ā™€ļø

People need to do their own research and avoid unnecessary pharma fixes.

https://www.statnews.com/2020/02/25/adults-dont-need-booster-vaccinations-for-tetanus-diphtheria-study/

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Butterfly2510's avatar

It’s not just about questioning the vaccines anymore. If you’re awake, surely you realize you/me/we must question almost every medical procedure unless you show up in the ER due to a life threatening trauma..

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FourWinds's avatar

And even then I am going to question every. single. thing. I don't trust anyone any more in the medical field. Never really did, but the scamdemic drove that nail in the coffin.

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Peace's avatar

Great article - thank you for posting!

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Citizen Satirist (CS)'s avatar

At some point, these a-hole health care "professionals" will recognize they are out of a new BMW IF enough people stop believing in their hocus-pocus....

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Jennifer's avatar

I lived in Oregon my whole life until two years ago so hello! You know, I think royally messing up the COVID vaccine and trying to push it on innocent children was the greatest thing the CDC has ever done for parent empowerment. Both of my children got most of their vaccines (I did a delayed schedule and forewent unnecessary ones like rotovirus) but I definitely got push-back from the doctors (why don't you do more XYZ to catch them up faster, etc). Now that they harmed so many people and children with the COVID vaccine, I have ZERO problem saying no to boosters and vaccines. I feel like telling the CDC, "When you make a public apology and rescind all of your support for the COVID vaccine and financially and emotionally reimburse every last person whose child got a COVID vaccine, then I will consider listening to your recommendations. Until then, just continue telling me how men should chestfeed and I'll continue to never take your advice." I

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Concerned mom's avatar

That is SUCH GREAT news to hear. Next we need to start paying attention to what other issues may have been caused by what we've allowed ( my grown son told me several years ago that his sense of smell is almost non existent) hmmm.... šŸ¤”

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FourWinds's avatar

I think this shows people are quite fed up with and no longer trusting the medical establishment, especially since they are now trying to put mrna crap in things like a flu "vaccine". The entire system is complete corrupt. They cut off their own head with the scamdemic - what did they think they would happen when they lied and we found out?

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Annie's avatar

My nieces are questioning every childhood vaxx for their children. And if they consent to any, they are spaced further apart. They said their pediatricians aren't pushing back. So that means it is very common. Good news. šŸ‘

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Baga's avatar

Many doctors are pushing back. My daughter was fired from her pediatrician’s practice when she told the doctor she would not be vaccinating her baby or the the older two boys anymore.

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Annie's avatar

That doctor did her a good service. They let her know what a quack doctor they are and they do not respect a parent's right. Screw them and run from that so called doctor.

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Monterey's avatar

That means the doctor was upset that they would not be able to meet the percentage required by the insurance company to get the five figure bonus$$ promised if a certain percentage of their patients got fully vaxxed. It's about the money, most likely.

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AB's avatar

We were fired too. Good riddance though. My kids haven’t been sick since we ā€˜lost’ our pediatrician.

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M VARR's avatar

That doctor is a thug and a bully.

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Mindful's avatar

I was kicked out of the office bc I didn't jab enough.

Now in California its harder to find a doctor bc they all are afraid to deviate from state of California recommendations, lest they take their license away.

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Amuzed_Traveler's avatar

Yep, being an OC native I’m having a very hard time finding a true doctor. I went to a new PCP last week (haven’t had a physical in 15 years and I’m coming up on 69), and he and the nurse before him were masked. I told them both that their masks didn’t make me feel any more comfortable and they were free to remove them. They both declined. At the top of my on screen chart, in bold red, was my C19 ā€œunvaxxedā€ status. I wonder if, at this late date, that was their concern.

Charlatans.

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Mindful's avatar

Unbelievable. Another reason to be happy that I moved out of California

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deathcap's avatar

My old pediatrician pushed back hard. My new pediatrician doesn't. And her nurse *also* doesn't trust the schedule. I don't know if times are changing but it's definitely a welcome change from my own personal experience.

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Lyndsay's avatar

They won’t push back to spacing them apart but that’s just a compromise of sorts, they still make money and get to poison the children.

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Laura Kasner's avatar

I just read the first chapter of Turtles. That should be enough to make everyone into an antivaxxer.

I recently sent a baby gift to my friends daughter. I included the book Turtles and put a note on it asking her to read just the first chapter. Cuz, you know - IT’S TOO LONG. I DON’T HAVE TIME. 😩

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Based Florida Man's avatar

That's all you need to read. That first chapter is mind blowing. They never test ANY of these shots against a placebo! Only against other (quite flawed) vaccines.

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daiva's avatar

šŸ—Ø On occasion man will stumble over the truth, but usually he will pick himself up, dust himself off, and hurry on as if nothing had happened ĀÆ\_(惄)_/ĀÆ

Let's pray this time is different šŸ™‚

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SheThinksLiberty's avatar

That quote is ascribed to Winston Churchill.

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RunningLogic's avatar

Thank you, I figured it was a quote from the way it was phrased but didn’t know who’d said it.

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Renea Buchholz's avatar

That's fascinating. I live in the valley and I have been thinking all of Oregon is full of jabbed karens and Kyles. I do have a friends and family who said hell no. But it feels small at times. Thanks for the hope!

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Peter Schott's avatar

From everything I've seen, once you get outside the left coast for Oregon, most of the state is pretty sane - even wanting to leave and join Idaho because of the craziness coming from Portland. I think that part of the state was even among the first to experience the joy of pumping their own gas. :)

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Renea Buchholz's avatar

Very true. I live in the coast range now. Up in the sticks. But born and raised in the bluest of blue Eugene. Grew up surrounded by hippie culture which I see has now turned out to be a fake. Once all those hippies were faced with something scary in their older age they bowed to the govt. quicker than one could imagine.

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Leskunque Lepew's avatar

All my old hippie friends instantly rolled up their sleeves. I was shocked!

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FH's avatar

And it's not just the injections. It's *everything*! For instance, what happened to the anti-war movement? How come suddenly it's okay for corporations to tell the government what to do? How come my generation developed a trust in government when the motto of the late '60s and all of the '70s was "don't trust The Man"?

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Dick's avatar

Bc… they conformed then and they conform now. The perks, socially, lead by the nose ring.

As one of that eminently culpable generation of the MEs, who complained bitterly about their parents & bought into the mass counterculture psyops, I am disgusted. Luckily, I was a lousy student and a goof. Saved me til I gained some maturity & learned how to learn. God spared me consequences of some really stupid mistakes. Saved me Period. In His good time, in His good hands.

May he Bless us, every one.

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Freebird's avatar

I wasn't surprised at that. I know of one who's very smart but has no wisdom at all. She stood in line for 2 hours on a cold February day to get her shot as soon as it was approved for her.

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RunningLogic's avatar

Yup fake, they were just following the crowd and the ā€œinā€, trendy thing, and are doing the same now.

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Dick's avatar

Woh! Just replied with the same. šŸ˜Ž

Great minds I guess

Lol

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RunningLogic's avatar

šŸ˜šŸ˜Ž

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Jean Mac's avatar

Sooo true!! My next door neighbors...

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Fla Mom's avatar

And the fake feminists, like Hillary, who while sneering at the country song "Stand By Your Man," did exactly that for her entire married life and who are now selling out young women who don't want to be exposed to men in locker rooms, bathrooms, or to compete against them on sports teams. And the fake 'protectors of children' like Hillary, who are all silent, at best, in the face of child sex trafficking.

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Karen Bandy's avatar

Very good point. I grew up in SW Portland and went to Eugene for college and taught there for 3 years. Lots of hippies were still around in the mid-seventies, they’re still there like you say. Happy for the government dole.

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AnitaB's avatar

Wait, what?..pumping their own gas? I thought full service gas stations went away in the 80’s.

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Peter Schott's avatar

New Jersey and Oregon were the last holdouts. Now it's just New Jersey. And "full service" is hardly the right term for the gas stations. You need to pay someone to pump your gas. They don't check tires, clean windows, check oil, or any of that. They just take your card, run it through the machine, and then pump your gas. It's a really strange experience when you come from ... just about any other state. It's also really annoying when there's one person working for a station with 12-16 pumps.

Not really sure the reasoning behind these laws. I could maybe see that way back in the day there might have been some odd health concern, but otherwise it looks like a way to keep people employed for a job that's not really needed in most cases. (There are some cases where people really can't pump their own gas, but most people seem to get by just fine once they figure out how to operate those strange machines. :) )

I will say that I noticed gas prices for NJ were lower than NY the couple of times I've had to get gas there, even with a person paid to do a job I could do. Says something about taxes, I'm pretty sure.

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Notyours's avatar

Lower than PA as well. I'm not terribly close, but check the math every now and again to see if it's worth making the drive to fill up.

Wife's Suburban has a 44 gallon tank.

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Kitkat's avatar

I have several ultra-lib friends who just left the SF Bay area and moved to Rogue Valley, OR. Sadly, they will take their crazy ultra-lib ways with them.

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Carol S's avatar

That always boggles my mind You're leaving an area because it became intolerable due to the government policies that you voted for, and yet you'[ll still vote stupid in your destination, which isn't screwed up because its government policies are different from the place you escaped. WHY would you still vote for stupid?!?!?

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Kitkat's avatar

Sadly, because they are either too blind to see the connection, or just flat-out refuse to connect the dots. I try to gently point things out to them, and they just shut me down. I'm that crazy conspiracy theorist Trump supporter. *sigh*

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Dick's avatar

Arrogance. Ease. Lifestyle. Entitlement. Niceness. Oh, and a complete lack of self-doubt and introspection. There must be a name for this pathology.

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Dick's avatar

Yep, Granny

…And I was one of ā€˜em.

…But for the Grace of God (and fervent prayers of MY

Granny !! (😊)

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Franklin O'Kanu's avatar

I've written a couple pieces about "dissolving illusions" as they're all around us (I may have to check out the book you mentioned too).

If we look, we see all these illusions are primarily formed from what's known as Scientism. This is the dogmatic thinking to science, and in the article below I discuss just how scienctism has shapped our world view:

https://unorthodoxy.substack.com/p/the-religious-tenants-of-scientism

I mentioned this piece yesterday, but when we talk about the illusion of space, looking at spaceX is a great place to start:

https://unorthodoxy.substack.com/p/the-great-spacex-deception

https://unorthodoxy.substack.com/p/the-spirituality-of-flat-earth

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Raptor's avatar

Maybe they are questioning other vaccines - which would be terrific, but as far as COVID goes: https://data.news-leader.com/covid-19-vaccine-tracker/oregon/lane-county/41039/

Poor Oregon. They need to sweep out the mess they made of one of the most beautiful states in America IMO.

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S.P.H.'s avatar

Very difficult to do Raptor with the stolen elections. People have lost confidence in the entire vote by mail scheme, and many have simply quit voting.

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Raptor's avatar

You are so right S.P.H

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Dick's avatar

I live here in the W Valley too. That info about Oregon is great to know…and also astonishing since PDX, Salem and Eugene are the only real bastions of fanatical wokeness In the State (well, and Bend). Plenty of small-town, farm, & country independent Oregonians in between, though, quietly living amidst.

My grown kids & grandparent friends (threatened w/ no visits w/ grandkids) got the jab. But, as I always have my ear to the ground, I note how little impacted we are compared to the rest of the nation (& world!) — nobody has (& much less, knows) the horror stories I read about (in non-msm) everywhere.

So I want to mention another thing: Batches.

I’m convinced (so far) that we here were delivered much less toxic batches or possibly even saline —- with enough adjuvants still in the jabs to give them the sore arm, yucky, sick days following , etc — EXACTLY what they were told to expect were the usual and ONLY side effects! Thus confirming the lies & affirming the blessing promised by the ā€œscienceā€ — and guaranteeing their ongoing compliance! Both a mercy …and a trap for this maverick blue state

Weird! People here just go along as ever. Some are savvy, but many — especially my busy offspring — think I’m a tipover case & don’t read any of the stuff I’ve sent them these last years. I don’t even try any more. My credibility with them is in shreds. They just don’t SEE it.

Meanwhile I wait and pray with apprehension, one eye ever scanning for delayed signs of clots, neuro, heart/organ damage & other myriad ā€œside effectsā€. (& I’m ready with my arsenal of curative whatnot).

One consequence of our apparent escape from the full assault is that in future, these folks are apt to get whatever new or continuing poison they’ve told is beneficial & necessary, trusting ā€œthe scienceā€ more than ever.

After all…

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Karen Bandy's avatar

Yep, Bend is now woke 😭 All those Portland, Bay Area and Seattle transplants. Don’t forget the trust fund babies, and remote workers from the Silicone Valley.

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daverkb's avatar

These 'people' think of everything. It is entirely possible that demographic/political consideration targeting played a part in the delivery system. I guess this would take a lot of work to figure this out.

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MaryAnn's avatar

I have been thinking the same thing about my blue state. The lethal/injurious jab side effects have been non-existent in my area, for which I am thankful, as most everyone I know readily rolled up their sleeves, multiple times.

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Dick's avatar

Yep. Working theory right now, but still watching them for any delayed mischief & wary. People are still dropping many months after last doses. šŸ™šŸ½šŸ™šŸ½šŸ‘†šŸ¼šŸ•Šāœļø

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Dick's avatar

Where’d you go, DaverKB?

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Deb B's avatar

ALERT

TURTLES ALL THE WAY DOWN. Was so excited to see what I thought was this book on Audible. It was not the book on Vaxx. There is a fiction book by the same name (not very good, either:-). by John Green. You want the subtitle: Vaccine Science and Myth

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Dick's avatar

Hmmm…wonder which came first šŸ¤”šŸ¤”šŸ¤”

I think sometimes this is purposely done to obscure the published truths they don’t want people to see.

Reality is catching up to my paranoia.

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Jenna Pierce's avatar

I was so excited to read turtles. I put it on reserve at the library. About half a page in I realized my terrible mistake 🤣

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Renea Buchholz's avatar

Thank you for that. I almost got that on audible and was confused . So I opted for the illusion one first

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LS Woodruff's avatar

So good to hear this!! At this point I can't shake knowing that ALL 'v-ccines' are meant to mess with your God given immune system...... Letting that sink in has been so unsettling. Every one of them in some way is trying to alter our bodies, the way that God designed them and we are created in His image..... Genesis 1:27.

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Oregon Kathy's avatar

You’re speaking of the very fertile Willamette Valley Oregon. Aren’t there a number of ethnic groups? I know in particular of a large slavic farming community who were never very interested in politics, never voted. But in recent years they saw the direction our country was going, put out the call for their community to register to vote, and recommended conservative candidates. Willamette Valley groups like that might have skewed the vaccinated numbers down. If you're on FB you can find them at Slavic Vote...you'll be inspired to see what they're doing.

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Texas nurse's avatar

I have two friends who just had babies and refused all shots. So proud of them. The tide is definitely turning. I helped prep them through knowing their rights and being ok with the treatment from the nursing staff. I’m sad I used to be that nurse who talked bad about patients who refused v-x😢

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ConcernedGrammy's avatar

I can relate. I used to mock Jenny McCarthy. All this time, she was correct.

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Jenna Pierce's avatar

Same here! The greatest blessing from this whole covid fiasco is that it opened our eyes and many like us to not just the corruption of covid, but of the entire medical and pharmaceutical industries, and the U.S. government.

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S.P.H.'s avatar

Rebecca, admission and repentance, a healing salve of its own. I did this with my daughter.

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Karen Bandy's avatar

I believe that. There are are lot of free thinkers in Oregon but why the disconnect with the Covid shot and lockdowns and mandates? It seems far too many in the valley, and even over here in Central Oregon were happy to roll up their sleeves for grandma and the good of the people. They masked in Whole Foods, to the point of acting like Nazi’s if one didn’t. They bragged about their fully vaccinated Thanksgivings. They called the unvaccinated dirty swines. They thought Kate Brown was doing a good job with the pandemic.

The disconnect was baffling to me, a life-long Oregonian. Note, I’m an artist so my circle has more than it’s share of covidians, which while puzzling to me, it saw a lot of shot-lovers. Maybe because they’ve never had to run a real business, they’ve always worked for woke corporations and taught school, who knows. They are true liberals. So, back to my original question, why were they so eager to take the shot?

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Dick's avatar

Not sure, but it is a conundrum.

One of the differences here is that the state govt did not tread TOO heavily. Other states, with the same mandates as OR, imposed harsh penalties and used LE in shocking ways against the people. Conversely, enforcement here was lax or absent. I think they knew they’d better not push it too far. And, they concentrated efforts in crazy Portland (enabling mayhem).

Pretty smart move. We have guns and big trucks. We pretty much set an imaginary cordon & contained toxic Portland like sacks circling an oil spill. I live not 40 minutes away & haven’t been there since early 2020. No plans to visit either.

So, to your question? Especially the artists and indie types which abound here? It is, I think, because it was THEIR people in the govt.

and THEY’re good! So… Also it’s THEIR experts, THEIR bloggers and in-the-know podcasters either they or someone of influence listens to. There’s more, but I’ll leave it there.

I am so happy to know so many fellow Oregonians are here!! Thank you, Jeff! And thanks fellow Oregon goofballs for weighing in. We need an Oregon chapter of

C & C peeps to meet someplace for — what else?

…Picnic at Champoeg? Smith Rock?

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Karen Bandy's avatar

I agree with what you said especially about the libs who voted for ā€˜their people’. Although here some businesses were fined for not following protocols like masks. Some lost their suits, some won. Not sure if there’s any news of cases. I think it was OSHA that levied the fines.

I would love to come to a C&C picnic in Champoeg!!! How can we organize it?

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Karen Bandy's avatar

Smith Rock would be even better for me šŸ˜‰ but I think most people are in or near the valley šŸ¤·ā€ā™€ļø

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Dick's avatar

I lived in Redmond for 6 months. Loved Smith rock! Those sunrises!!

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Michael Framson's avatar

I thought several months ago there was a Portland gathering of Coffee & Covid.

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Dick's avatar

Well…missed it. Rats.

Maybe there’ll be another. Thanks!

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S.P.H.'s avatar

I missed it also, and it would be interesting to meet fellow C&C readers.

Much like the Rush rooms of old.

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Dick's avatar

Prolly mostly old farts! Lol! But the hippest of the hip. T’would be delightful and delovely.

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Dick's avatar

I did not get the organizing gene, so I hope someone who did takes this on! (But, the DIS-organizing gene…!)

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Donna Sudbrook's avatar

I wonder if that place in Oregon is near the Linus Pauling Institute at Oregon State University.... he coined the word "orthomolecular" in 1968 I believe it was according to the homepage of the website www.orthomolecular.org . alot of high dose vitamin c as therapy information, etc, etc,

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Sharon Beautiful Evening's avatar

Beautiful - keep on sharing with a caring heart and mind--TRUTH will "out"!

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Debra (Rural & Red Oregonian)'s avatar

I find that hard to believe when Hate (Kate) Brown held the entire state hostage before she would lift all the mandates. This article from 2022 says that 80% of Multnomah County was shot up. Now rural Oregon is a whole different story. We are the real pioneers.

https://fhspost.com/pps-lifts-district-wide-mask-mandate-in-schools/

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S.P.H.'s avatar

I too question the stat of non-jabbed residents in the valley. I was removed and /or denied service from more than one business for not wearing a face diaper. My daughter the same (proud of her!) had the police called on her for shopping without a face diaper. I did enjoy the empty freeways for a couple weeks though!

The Wilammette Vally is beautiful and productive as many have said, but it is book-end by college towns, Portland in the north and Eugene at the south. Salem, the state capitol known as the marble nut house is right in the middle. The valley is ringed by vineyards, which seem to generate their own peculiar clientele. This is destroying the essence of free hard working agricultural Yamhill County, as it has destroyed Multnomah County.

I go along with the theory presented earlier that Oregon, assumed to be liberal already, was spared the worse of the bad jab juice. Me thinks that was to be made up with future 'boosts'.

This has been a tremendous thread and an educational joy to read, thanks to all that have participated. And jokingly as the sign said when I moved here long ago, "Please visit but don't stay".

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Texas nurse's avatar

Giving an update for those who have been praying for me and supporting me. I received the evidence from the Texas BON. First it is clear it was retaliation. Th hospital claimed in the letter sent to the BON that the meeting I set up with administration to discuss concerns was a meeting they set up to ā€œconfrontā€ me on issues like not giving remdisivir. I never signed any disciplinary notice and what they sent was false! 2nd there is plenty of evidence to defend my actions in the paperwork that I got. So thankful! I know it is a corrupt system but praying Justice will be done and I’ll have it all cleared up! Thanks for praying! I’ll keep y’all updated! The C&C army is truly amazing!

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FourWinds's avatar

Still thinking of you and praying!! Thanks for the update.

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Cafe Comments by Lauri Harris's avatar

Still praying for you and all you protected from the kidney killer (Run Death Is Near). āœļøāš“ļøšŸ’•šŸ™šŸ»šŸ™šŸ»šŸ™šŸ»

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RU's avatar

Good luck! I had a battle with my former employer as well, after they decided they were going to get rid of white people (yes, for real). It was no fun...but the fight got me what I needed, made me stronger, and I landed in a much better spot.

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Texas nurse's avatar

Thanks for the encouragement and so glad to hear it worked out well. If people just back down they win!! It’s a harder road in the short term for sure but trusting Gods goodness to protect and lead me.

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ConcernedGrammy's avatar

Glad you posted your GSG link. Also good to see C&C +$2 donations! I'm praying for a good outcome for you. This sort of thing shouldn't happen anywhere, much less Texas.

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Rhonda Roland's avatar

Thanks for the update and I am still praying for you.

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RunningLogic's avatar

Praying!!!! Thank you for the update!!

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Runemasque's avatar

I think I saw your givesendgo. If you were to share the link, it would help orient anyone who is not familiar with your story.

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AJ#2's avatar

Do you have a lawyer?

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Texas nurse's avatar

No I talked to several lawyers and they were all every pessimistic about the whole situation. All of them said it was unlikely anything could be done since I didn’t contact them from the beginning. The one I was going to use was also expensive. I found a nurse advocate who worked for the Texas BON and helps nurses navigate the system and write rebuttals. If it goes to a jury trial I’ll have to find a lawyer but seriously I have no idea how they can hold me to anything they are claiming I did wrong! I have a ton of evidence in the documents. It helps that she is a nurse honestly because she understands the standards of practice etc. the investigator with the BON I have on my case now isn’t a nurse so she doesn’t understand what she is looking at. It will probably be pushed to a ā€œnurse investigator and a board of nursing lawyerā€ and at that point they should see there are no legal ground to ā€œconvictā€ me of anything!

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Being a Nancy's avatar

Ok so you are a nurse and you have big ones!

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Based Florida Man's avatar

RobertKennedyJr: ā€œWe Have 4.2% of the Global Population. How Come We Had 16% of the COVID Deaths?ā€ ā€œWhatever they [US health authorities] were doing was catastrophic.ā€

COVID death rate by country:

• US - 3,000 per million population

• Haiti - 15 per million population

• Nigeria - 14 per million population

The argument against such figures is that Haiti and Nigeria have much younger populations, which is true. But if you look at Japan, which ā€œhas the oldest population in the world, and it had 1/10th the death rate that we did.ā€

Kennedy concluded, ā€œIt was not a public health response. It was a militarized and monetized response to a public health crisis.ā€

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Jeff C's avatar

Many "with covid" deaths were classified as "from covid" deaths but that's only part of the reason. The biggest reason IMO is that the US population is seriously unhealthy, racked by obesity and diabetes. Sugary drinks are awful for people as are other sugar-laden foods made from refined carbs and seed oils. People eat a softball-sized muffin for breakfast (which is nothing more than cake without the frosting) and somehow think it's healthy.

As much as it pains me to admit it, this is where the libs have exercised better judgement than most conservatives. They recognized the processed food companies were selling poison long before most people on our side. Just look at the size of people at Trump rallies, it's not good.

We focus on the horribly self-destructive actions of the homosexual/trans agenda and the vax damage, but ignore the junk food poisoning happening all around us. In the mean time Americans get bigger and bigger. It will not end well.

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CHop's avatar

I was talking with my "farm group" menonite farmer and we were surprised how many members got the shots, but they go out of their way to drink raw milk, eat nonGMO foods, and source grass-fed/hormone free beef. My 4Ɨ jabbed BIL has a whole house water filter because he "doesn't trust" what is in the wateršŸ˜†

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Dick's avatar

I see that kind of cognitive dissonance too. Totally organic parents — no synthetic anything, uber healthy food & packaging, even wool mattresses! But vaccines are fine!

Same with the adults. Sickly, vegetarian, masked (no longer ā€œrequired) aged hippies shuffle in to the health food market for their fresh organic produce & clean products… & careful in all the other respects you mention. I know they’re jabbed — it goes with the constant mask-wearing. Astonishing! What impels this odd contradiction?

ĀÆ\_(惄)_/ĀÆ

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RunningLogic's avatar

Wow. That seems like such a contradiction.

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NeoBob's avatar

Great examples of cognitive dissonance.

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devoalan's avatar

Maybe their political beliefs outweigh their common sense?

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RJ Rambler's avatar

You need to understand that besides the "food pyramid" being upside down that the more diseases we get from the Gov approved FOOD is that we also are being FED drugs that a side effect of many is increased weight INCLUDING those prescribed for diabetes!! Bp drugs, and almost everyone has high bp because they have impossibly lowered the "healthy" parameters, (ask me about a recent experience family Dr vs Cardiologist drug salesman) have MANY side effects and coupled with statins for cholesterol=stroke and heart attack!!

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June M's avatar

I refuse to take the statins because nothing I’ve seen shows it actually stops heart problems. My mom had a hard time taking any of them and granted she had a triple bypass but now they have her on one and her cholesterol is below 100 but they want it lower?!? She has other problems like BP and vertigo that I wonder how much is tied to the actual medicine she takes. I have been trying more natural ways to manage mine and had success this past Dr visit. Hopefully continuing what I’m doing plus losing some weight (hmm, how much of that is tied to health problems??) I can get is lower. Biggest problem with modern medicine is not wanting to get to the root of the issues. More medicine = more money for everyone but the patient.

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FourWinds's avatar

If we think about big medicine as a business, which it is, then if it does not turn a profit, it will go out of businesses. A cured customer is money lost. The whole thing is a scam and a racket to have lifelong customers. Aside from antibiotics to kill bacterial infections, I'm not sure pharma or doctors cure a darn thing.

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Dick's avatar

Antibiotics not needed either! Except in some acute cases, yes. But, UTI’s & the like? Much harm, little good. There are so many natural a-bs.

A few: garlic, grapefruit sd ext, Olive leaf!, most culinary herbs, especially oregano oil (strong! Can disrupt gut flora, tho’), high vit C, propolis, many many more good ones — & they blitz in differing ways, so it’s a multi-pronged attack; you can use them together. Foods, drinks, sunlight (D). Turm, mullein, lemon, honey…

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FourWinds's avatar

I'm with you! I will take anything natural and it will probably work faster and better, too. Oregano oil is powerful for fungal overgrowth, too.

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Dick's avatar

Yep! So are many other antibac herbs.

But oregano oil is powerful. I use caution, but it’s indispensable. I read that it’s good if you suspect food poisoning. If I swallow sumpin suspect, I pop one. (Ginger for good measure) Dunno if it works or if I was just paranoid! No way of knowing then, is there?

God Bless!

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Dick's avatar

Exactly the same w/ my mom. Once they get past a certain age, say…80s (or under), HMO Drs will not mention the weight of their patients. And the bp and vertigo is never associated w/ the blood thinners; the pains are never associated with the beta blockers, drug interactions or the other cardio crap the Cardiologist doles out. Never side-effects.

One by one we got Mom off them. First, nutrition & supps to offset the effects of the meds. (I used the Mendel book & others) Second, same strategies to safely achieve the same goals and reverse the underlying problems.

At first, my stubborn Mom, who loved her idiot, flattering Dr., would angrily halt any mention of the debilitating symptoms being side-effects! I finally just stopped talking & quietly set the book on the table in front of her, open to the page. She read. She said, ā€œYou’re rightā€. And thus began the shift. Her pains did not take long to go away. Then the blood thinners were stopped & we compensated safely & naturally. She no longer had to rest on the kitchen counter & use it as a support in navigating around the kitchen. We worked on sleep & excercise too.

As her trust in me increased, she more willingly listened and went along. 4 pieces of toast every morning went down to just 2. Added good fats (curb & sate appetite), pastured proteins, (no seed oils) and way less sugary stuff. (allowed was a couple of dark choc covered macadamia nuts—good fats, good nuts, & good, yummy choc w/out too much sugar — she loved rich deserts & everything sweet. Favorite food: bread & butter. The below example shows part of the diet I tailored to her particular likes and situation; everything in it has a manifold purpose & function.

First a m. sit down , she took an enzyme w/ real juice & coffee. while I fixed breakfast — her 2 slices of sprouted wh toast were slathered w/ coconut oil & pastured butter, ginger jam, w/ grated org. orange peel & cinnamon, served with 2 pastured eggs, fruit yoghurt & some supps. (& enzymes, pre- & probiotic foods) šŸ‘†šŸ¼Just an example: All food ought to be seen as EITHER healing or damaging. Forms matter immensely. There’s way too much to relate — so much to learn!!!

But, she began to get stronger and to drop weight. There were other health issues too, and it gets complicated to relate how we also addressed them. But the improvements her overall health and well-being was great for us both to see.

A very careful approach is necessary. The drugs often have to be stopped slowly — in the proper way, incrementally. A weaning period (consult w/doc). They all have various half-lives as well. So it’s imperative that one reads everything available on everything. Interactions are very important, too. This includes many food & supp interactions, too.

I encourage you and your Mom to continue and to never let the b….rds get you down.

It’s not easy.

But 1) undo the harm

2) Do no harm

3) Heal.

A good Functional or Integrative MD can be a Godsend!

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Peace's avatar

What is the Mendel book you refer to? Your mom is blessed with your guidance.

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Dick's avatar

Thank you! That began over 10 years ago. Mom’s gone now.

But it was a great blessing to me to have that time with her.

I apologize. It is MINDELL, Earl. A book called ā€œPrescription Alternativesā€ https://www.amazon.com/Prescription-Alternatives-Hundreds-Prescription-Free-Remedies/dp/0071600310

It’s old now, but still a immensely helpful — invaluable. Well-organized & foundationally informative & a great starting point for web searches.

Amazon has copies. The newest (>decade old) edition is there —

Peace, Peace!

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ConcernedGrammy's avatar

Just think about why doctors warn against eating grapefruit while taking BP meds. Because grapefruit LOWERS BLOOD PRESSURE! So, why doesn't the doctor skip the meds and recommend eating grapefruit? šŸ’°šŸ’°šŸ’° My husband has gotten off his lifelong BP meds and says he feels better than he has in years. He took statins for s short while but stopped when the nightly muscle cramps just became too much and the doc just wanted to ADD another RX to suppress the side effects of the first.

He's done/is doing a lot of research into diet, supplements and minerals, natural cures. Turmeric with black pepper, magnesium, boron, Celtics salt and iodine are just a few things he's researched. It's crazy how depleted our bodies have become in the last few decades and we're either told "we're sick" or "it's just age".

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RJ Rambler's avatar

Hubby just going thru cancer rigamarole and they are worried about his bp!! Cancer treatment isn't enough! They want to add cardiac testing and meds too!! And the Drs dont even agree about if his is too high!! We hate everything medical!! 😭

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Dick's avatar

RJ — Please read Granny’s posts above, & mine too (some just now),šŸ‘†šŸ¼šŸ‘‡šŸ¼

Also look up how they’ve adjusted DOWN several markers for high BP & other ones they test for in recent years. Embark on that life-without-the-AMA

journey.

Find a doc who knows this stuff wrt hubby’s cancer. There’s a world of non-toxic alternatives out there.

Ask your present docs for ALL info & stats on their recommendations.

The journey is rigorous in time & effort & I hope you search & can find a knowledgeable professional ally in whose hands he can be trusted.

I don’t have time now, but I will try to find & pass on what may be helpful to you. I’ll save your post link & can do it here.

Blessings! āœļøšŸ•ŠšŸ™šŸ½šŸ‘†šŸ¼šŸ’Œ

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RJ Rambler's avatar

ā™„ļø thank you so much! We are up to our eyeballs in reading. We've been fighting medical establishment for 35 years. It's never over.

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Dick's avatar

I know. I really do! I was blissfully ignorant for so many years, but had no issues that challenged me into the fray. Drafted by God’s often sorrowing providence & thrown right into back to back battle.

Luckily (but not luck:šŸ‘†šŸ¼) I was never one to fit into systems or institutions. Couldn’t if I tried. (My shoelaces were always tangling & I trip so I tossed the shoes & sprinted on)

Anyway, sorry if I loaded you with too much stuff. It is a lifelong classroom, isn’t it? All while beating off the harpies, paying the bills, loving the fam and getting the home chores done.

I hope you have good cohorts & also the gratification of sharing your knowledge & seeing the benefits for others.

Take care!

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RJ Rambler's avatar

I think we are deeply related. Thanks for sharing. I know very much where you've been. It's the road all God's children travel, they can't resist even when they resist. šŸ¤—šŸ™Œ

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Dick's avatar

GRAMMY! I just realized that I was calling you ā€œGrannyā€. I need new glasses. But, interestingly, I had started to write it correctly because that’s what we called my own beloved long-departed Grammy, & I love that. So dumb me, I self-corrected it to what I had misread.

…Silly addendum here, but wanted to note.

Blessings!!

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ConcernedGrammy's avatar

LOL! No problem, you're not the first, nor probably the last. My given name is often misspelled, too, so it is what it is, at this point. But the default font on substack is, at times, difficult to discern properly.

nn vs mm

Grammy is what my grands call me, too!

Blessings back! šŸ˜

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Dick's avatar

Thanks! Granny, you are absolutely after my heart!

…Was even going to use the grapefruit example as well! The vitamin K thing is another one that fries my bacon. The very nutrients necessary for healing are what can’t be eaten or supplemented because…the drugs. Don’t get me going!

But.

If we know WHY, we can begin the path you took with your husband. Break the chain. We can help others to do the same.

We know that foods (incl bevs) have differing (and manifold) medical effects both in the body and by interacting (+/-) with, counteracting, or replacing the drugs.

That book I linked just now in the post above is so helpful with sorting through all that stuff & helped me so much w/ further web searches for more info.

I’m also glad that Functional (& Integrative) Medicine is on the rise. I see in future Hospitals and nursing homes dedicated to interdisciplinary healing. The proverbial limp in and leap out! Unfortunately, I’m also seeing the large Med systems (Providence, Kaise, for example) have their ā€œin houseā€ alternative Funct/Integ practicioners, but it’s largely eyewash. In name only. It’s still: drugs & surgery foremost always & we’ll let a poorly educated naturopath tack on on a good diet & exercise plan to coordinate with our prescription blood thinners, beta blockers, implants etc etc etc.

So great to know you’re doing it. God Bless you and your husband richly!

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Reposting that link here. Old but excellent as a basic resource. https://www.amazon.com/Prescription-Alternatives-Hundreds-Prescription-Free-Remedies/dp/0071600310

šŸ™šŸ½āœļøšŸ•ŠšŸ’ŒšŸŒ»

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Jeff C's avatar

I do understand that, it's a vicious cycle.

This is where conservatives made a huge mistake. We allowed our free-market principles to be corrupted into trust of big business (food companies, pharma, medical industry). We allowed our defense of freedom to be corrupted into people's right to gorge themselves on garbage. NYC implemented a tax on sugary drinks and "conservatives" (big business lackeys actually) reflexively attacked it as violating people's right to poison themselves.

Thankfully the whole Covid vax catastrophe has woken people up, many conservatives now realize being pro-free market doesn't mean multi-national corporations are worthy of our trust. In fact it's the opposite. Hopefully they'll take that thinking a bit further and realize the libs had a good point when attacking McDonalds, Coca-Cola, and the like as incredibly destructive entities.

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RunningLogic's avatar

I still don’t agree with that tax and I do think people should have the right to eat unhealthy treats if they want. But yes, we should take more responsibility as individuals for our health and know what we’re putting in our bid yes and what consequences that might have.

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Jeff C's avatar

I don't think they should be banned, but I have no problem with a tax on sugary drinks (or tobacco, alcohol, gambling, etc.) if it's enacted by the elected representatives. These things do cause societal harm, and there's a price to pay for that.

My issue is that the organizations that profit from these vices (for lack of a better word) manipulate the "liberty" people into arguing their case for them. Sugar, like cigarettes, is incredibly addictive and wreaks havoc on society. If the elected representatives want to tax that they are entirely within their rights IMO. If the people don't like it they can vote them out and repeal it. I don't think such taxes are very effective, but that's a whole different issue.

The problem as I see it, is that people have become conditioned into viewing any constraint on their behavior as unreasonable when some constraints are required for a functioning society. It's the whole issue where people confuse "liberty" with licentiousness.

We can discuss if these taxes are effective, a good idea, or even needed. But the idea that a tax on a harmful product somehow violates people's liberty is pretty hard to defend. Yet that is what's invariably trotted out. And it's exactly where the left's caricature of us as Neanderthal "muh freedumb" people originated, with some justification IMO.

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YYR's avatar

Call me a neanderthal (not actually an insult, they were very intelligent), but I am against most taxes and licensing fees. Government has an insatiable appetite for power, and taxes finance their addiction and distort markets, which haven't been free in at least a century.

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Jeff C's avatar

I don't like taxes either and have structured my finances to avoid them whenever possible. However, "sin taxes" have been around forever, they are clearly constitutional, and the idea that they violate people's liberty is kind of absurd, no one is stopping people from doing something. However, if someone wants to engage in a behavior that has a societal cost, society has a right to make it more expensive to do so.

Whether its' a good idea is a different conversation. It's an important nuance, but one that is often lost with absolute positions.

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Peace's avatar

One concern with "sin taxes" is the concern of who gets to decide what is healthy ("sinful") and what is not. You may agree with the current sin taxes, but inevitably "they" will expand the definition of unhealthy items to things you deem healthy. Some "controversially healthy" items come to mind such as butter, eggs, and coconut oil - who determines if they should be taxed because they are unhealthy - each of these items was at one time deemed healthy, then for a time deemed not healthy, then for most people currently they are healthy. But perhaps not everyone thinks they're healthy, so should they be taxed to dissuade consumption?

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Jeff C's avatar

That's why I said I had no problem with them provided they were enacted by *elected* representatives. If the population doesn't agree then they can be voted out.

And I didn't say I agreed with them, I said they were a valid measure to defray the costs of irresponsible and/or harmful lifestyle choices (aka "sins") on society.

Like it or not though, we make these decisions based on majority rule (unless they are unconstitutional). I don't agree with my taxes funding the Ukraine war but I don't get to withhold a portion of my income tax in response. If society decides an action is harmful and wants to increase the cost of doing so to discourage it, that's entirely within it's purview.

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ConcernedGrammy's avatar

I wouldn't have a problem with "sin taxes" IF those taxes were applied to relieve the "societal harm" as you put it. As it stands, are the "sin taxes" put to use to pay for an alcoholic's treatment or a smoker's cancer treatment? Where DO all those "sin taxes" go?

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Fre'd Bennett, MAHA's avatar

Nailed it.

The fake conservatives in Congress always trot out the "let free markets work" canard, knowing they are receiving massive funding from their transnational corporate masters (Facebook, P&G, big media, etc.)

I am so blackpilled on the GOP. With a very few individual exceptions, may never vote for these bastards again.

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Carolyn's avatar

The tax is discrimination..if someone has the right to decide on vaxes they should have the right to eat as they see fit. The amount is not the issue it is what is allowed in the foods and the lack of physical activity

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Roger Beal's avatar

A case of "the enemy of my enemy is my friend".

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Leskunque Lepew's avatar

Those TV commercials worked! Everyone is guzzling liquid corn syrup or aspartame and eating fried carbohydrates. Then the Medical Industrual Complex steps in.

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YYR's avatar

Mmm. Fried carbohydrates.

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nt's avatar

Metabolical, by DR Lustig was eye-opening to me !!

I had no idea a Cliff bar had 17 grams of ADDED sugar ! šŸ™ˆ

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Cathleen Manny's avatar

If you read the ingredients on the packaging of all of the ā€˜health bars’, you’ll see they’re all junk food.

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Jeff C's avatar

Yes but they are marketed as healthy. Most advertising is seriously bad-faith as its goal is to deceive people to act in someone else's interest (i.e. lie to people that the food is healthy so you'll give them money). Once you see this you'll realize it's everywhere and never view advertising, or public relations which is the same thing, in the same light again.

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nt's avatar

šŸ’Æ

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Penny North's avatar

Doing the conversion, that is 4 teaspoons of sugar!

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nt's avatar

Yes! Exactly!! Clearly should NOT be breakfast!! 😳

Which is why after reading that book, I went off added sugar June 17th last year !! šŸ™Œ

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Oregon Kathy's avatar

Really, you must read labels for snack bars.

Most are truly just sugar snacks while a few have enough nutrition to tide you over.

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nt's avatar

Right !? Not quite sure how I’ve survived 5 decades of life without knowing that ā€¦šŸ¤¦ā€ā™€ļøšŸ¤·ā€ā™€ļøšŸ¤£

I am ā€œfitā€ …so I think nothing obvious to make me think about it …

Now I know …

Packaged food is NOT REAL FOOD! šŸ˜„ lol

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Jeff C's avatar

And Lustig is a proud lib, he lives in SF of all places. But on this one he was exactly right.

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nt's avatar

I know !!! I was so disappointed he teamed up with (Pepsi?) on a new weight loss drug šŸ¤¦ā€ā™€ļø

But I really appreciate his Eat Real campaign for schools and his book was VERY helpful to me , in the fact that you can be a normal weight and metabolically unhealthy! So for that I’m grateful šŸ™

I’ve eaten (for breakfast alone) over 15lbs less sugar since June 17th last year !! Just breakfast!!!

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ConcernedGrammy's avatar

Be sure to check all the labels on foods now - "Made from Bio-Engineered Ingredients" is getting quite common.

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Heterodox Introvert's avatar

Agree. Obesity puts one into the vulnerable population category, yes? Puts stress on body systems / compromises the immune system which can't keep up with the constant insult of stresses to allow the body to heal... Yadda. "It will not end well." Sadly true.

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Monterey's avatar

This seems like a good time to insert that I wish family practice MD's, and others, would do a much better job of telling their obese patients how it is. As in, you need to drop the extra weight and start right now, and hear all the reasons why. Those of us with obese extended family members certainly thank you for it.

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Fla Mom's avatar

Most have no advice that is helpful, I say as a former family practice doc. It wasn't until I read Good Calories, Bad Calories, by Gary Taubes that I realized the hormonal effect of macronutrients. (Why didn't they teach us helpful things like this in medical school?) Anyway, when I reduced the amount of carbs I was eating (an astonishing amount, I realized), I lost weight without trying to (and without 'needing' to, but it was very welcome) and no longer experienced self-induced hypoglycemic lows that led to eating more to get my blood glucose back up.

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Monterey's avatar

I realize that many doctors don't have a clue about weight loss. But even they would have to know that being obese is not healthy. If they would at least start there, and inform the patient of the problems of being so overweight, it would be at least something to get the patient to think.

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Heterodox Introvert's avatar

I don't fit the profile so have never been admonished by a physician on the subject. I can't speak to what is said or isn't but I suspect that it's not much with respect to what's really happening in the body. I suspect it's a canned speech. Also suspect that patients who have heard it, have heard it on repeat. It can't feel good. I don't know who Lizzo and fans think they're fooling. Well, themselves.

Underneath, personally speaking, there is sorrow and sadness. As for extended family members, I have an adult child that fits the profile. The condition is a source of emotional pain, and I'm positive that in large part the origins have to do with unresolved trauma, manifesting physically as layers of protection. Except that the physical layers do nothing to protect. It's complex. Not as straightforward as putting the mind to losing weight. The wounds are deep.

I understand your good intent. Not arguing, not in the least. Just looking at the complexity of human beings and thinking aloud at the keyboard. I agree 100% that obesity itself is a setup for a worse situation. I sure don't have answers. Every situation is different. I do have an issue with celebrating obese bodies: they are not healthy bodies. As said, a setup.šŸ˜”

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MaryAnn's avatar

Have an obese (lib) friend who is losing weight on the diabetes drug, wegovy (?) She now has breast cancer but will continue with the weight loss regimen for another 6 months before starting treatment for BC because of potential weight gain associated with the cancer treatment. She is constantly in my prayers.

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Heterodox Introvert's avatar

Sad.

The good news might be that your friend isn't insulin dependent. Did you see the article @Politico Phil posted? Things could be worse?

I say a prayer nearly daily (I miss some days; some days I double or triple up.šŸ¤·ā€ā™€ļø) for both the immortal souls of those who have concluded their trip to the planet in conjunction with these toxic injections, and for those still suffering in body. They have all done/are doing an immeasurable service to humanity. God bless them and Godspeed on their journeys. Especially the ones still here. Your friend, though nameless and personally unknown to me (not important, the prayer goes where it is intended), has by default already been party to my prayer.

Reposting earlier link from @Politico Phil: https://josephsansone.substack.com/p/we-are-at-war-our-insulin-is-being

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Fla Mom's avatar

The difficulty I have with presentations like hers is that even though I'm a (retired) physician, I'm not a pathologist or other laboratorian, so I don't feel like I have enough knowledge to critique what is presented. Could she be misinterpreting something? I couldn't say. And there's so much propaganda from all sides these days that I'm skeptical of everyone and everything.

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Heterodox Introvert's avatar

Very fair.

I have watched her presentations here and there for at least a year. I'm not a physician, retired or otherwise, but do have a healthcare background, B.S. level, though retired from that. Couldn't possibly converse or discourse on minutiae but have a solid, at the very least basic understanding.

Could she be misinterpreting something? Like you, I couldn't say. What I can say is that because MSM is having none of her she has aligned herself with the "side" seeking the truth. From memory, she has independently corroborated info presented by Dr. Carrie Madej, and La Quinta Columna. When I start to see the same info from different sources I lean toward giving it credence. Can I independently verify? Nope. I don't have the knowledge or the tools. It's a judgement call. And I could be wrong. Trusting my gut. It's usually right, close to 100% but nothing's perfect. šŸ¤·ā€ā™€ļø

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MaryAnn's avatar

Not diabetic; just using the drug for quick weight loss. Thank you for praying!

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FourWinds's avatar

When I go to the store, which I try to avoid, I am always marveling at the rows and rows of non-food. Most of it is pure garbage. Few read the labels. My mom, God rest her soul, taught me to cook things that included cans of condensed soup and box mixes. It was not until I was in my 30s that I started to really learn how to cook. Now I'm nearly all scratch.

You're right, American eat an insane amount of sugar, refined everything, GMOs, preservatives, partially hydrogenated whatever, "vegetable" oils and other non-food crap. It's just not food. Then we wonder why we are all so sick.... go figure.

As for obesity, it's now celebrated, don't know know? Calvin Klein ran ads with morbidly obese, unattractive models, as if that's a goal to aspire to. There's a difference between celebrating being a glutton, overweight and unhealthy as opposed to being a decent human being and not being cruel to someone about weight. Society no longer sees that line.

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ConcernedGrammy's avatar

It's really interesting to see what the FDA deems "safe" for us Americans while other countries have BANNED these same items/ingredients. . The thing these other countries have in common is "socialized medicine". They're keeping their costs down, plain and simple. I heard Americans spend double what other countries do on "healthcare" yet we're something like 57th worldwide in "health". Big Pharma gets a lot of their profit from the "rich Americans" so they sell their drugs to other countries much cheaper. That's why people try to go to Canada or Mexico to get their meds. It's also why the US does everything they can to STOP that from happening.

https://www.chicagotribune.com/dining/table-talkers/sns-stacker-us-foods-banned-other-countries-20211103-gxobzgtxvnf6pnt26ugjstmxka-photogallery.html

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RunningLogic's avatar

Well said. This is a huge (no pun intended) problem in our country and our culture and you’re right, the libs have done better on this issue (partly because many of them are upper middle class and the money, peer pressure and subculture of that group make it easier for them to have good health habits).

But let’s also not discount the Covid policies that led to a lot of unnecessary deaths even before the shots came out.

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Jeff C's avatar

Completely agree. The public health policies were so bad it's hard to to think they were not intended to be harmful. Couple that with the complete lack of common sense nutrition and fitness advice and it's pretty damning.

My point is that as individualists we should be using common sense rather than trusting corporations and government for nutritional advice. When some entity tells us eating cake for breakfast is healthy, that should make us question what we are being told. Instead people accepted it because they like eating cake.

The libs may have gotten this one right based on the stopped-clock principle, but they did get it right. (Just like they also got the Iraq War right.) This is not a defense of liberalism but pointing out that we need to constantly be questioning what we accept as truth, particularly if it reinforces our existing biases.

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RunningLogic's avatar

Yes I agree. Good points.

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Bones's avatar

I love Robert Kennedy. I hope he’s wearing a bulletproof vest.

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Annie's avatar

And bullet proof helmet.

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JohnS's avatar

And isn’t a paddle boarder.

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RunningLogic's avatar

At least not in Martha’s Vineyard šŸ˜›

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Annie's avatar

I think that is a vaxxident. He sads and then fell into the water.

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Oma's avatar

But why would he go out to paddle board with regular clothes on? Dark ones at that?

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Annie's avatar

Who knows? I have heard that some vaxx injured get hallucinations. But hey. It could be that he knew too much and got knocked off. I would not put it pass tptb in Martha's.

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annademo's avatar

And has a food taster....

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Tonya McKinney's avatar

He wants to eliminate from the earth all Climate Change deniers. He is a womanizer. Not my type of person. I do like his views on the vaccines.

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Connect The Dots's avatar

I think you should probably listen to what he says from his own mouth about the climate change agenda… He's against it. He is actually warned against it being used as a Power grab. He his comments were about eliminating the big corporations who are polluting the water and the air and getting away with it. There's nothing wrong with that.

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ConcernedGrammy's avatar

I heard RFK Jr say that Climate change deniers should all be locked up. He did listen to Dane Whittington and acted open minded about chemtrails but wasn't convinced. He's pro-abortion but says every abortion is a tragedy because he's Catholic. A couple of weeks ago he said he "won't take away people's guns" because it's "too polarizing", NOT because the 2nd Amendment protects our right to bear arms. He wants more gun control laws because "his family has been touched by gun violence" yet he says the CIA killed his father and uncle. This week, he said he would sign an "assault weapons ban" if Congress put one together. FYI - there's no such thing as an "assault weapon" available for sale in the US. They have deemed an AR15 as an "assault weapon" but it''s just a STYLE of rifle.

I like that he's highlighting the childhood vaccine issue, but he claims he's not an "anti-vaxxer", he just wants more research into the vaccine-autism link. Has he said anything publicly against the covid vaccine? To me, RFK Jr is a fence sitter and says whatever he thinks will get him into the WH.

https://americanfaith.com/rfk-jr-says-he-would-sign-assault-weapons-ban-if-elected/

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Connect The Dots's avatar

I will look into it further… Thanks

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Heterodox Introvert's avatar

Neither here nor there in the present context, but I hope Kennedy wakens to the fact (oh the temerity to call it a fact!) that the "public health crisis" was manufactured from the get-go. Ergo, there was no crisis to begin with. Indisputably there was illness, greatest in vulnerable populations, but little different from what happens with populations re morbidity and mortality with respect to infectious disease. Like, say, the flu. Hm.

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Based Florida Man's avatar

Good observation. Much of the well touted '1 million covid deaths' are 'with covid (i.e. not covid)' or false PCR tests or merely the flu.

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RunningLogic's avatar

Or caused by the ā€œpublic healthā€ approved protocols 😔

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Texas nurse's avatar

A close family friend had cancer and an enlarged heart and than got covid. Her death certificate said she died from covid. She died with covid but she died from heart failure related to her cancer. So frustrating!!

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OJen's avatar

I think that's pretty much what he's saying above, isn't it?

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Fre'd Bennett, MAHA's avatar

It's exactly what he says above.

"Kennedy concluded, 'It was not a public health response. It was a militarized and monetized response to a public health crisis.'"

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Heterodox Introvert's avatar

My quibble is with "public health crisis" not the militarized and monetized incursion couched as a solution.

My argument is that there was no real public health crisis. They cooked the numbers from the start.

I'm not disputing that there was illness, not at all. Only that the morbidity and particularly mortality was predominantly (but not wholly) in vulnerable populations, the same as stats show historically with other infectious diseases - especially respiratory, like influenza which in worse cases often results in pneumonia which is ultimately a cause of death in these vulnerable people.

Had the numbers not been inflated there was no public health crisis. (Inflated numbers along with the miraculous disappearance from the face of the earth of influenza during the bulk of 2020. I should have screen shotted CDC data pages back then, my error.) The construct of "public health crisis" was manufactured and thrust into the mass consciousness. Kennedy doesn't bring that perspective to his commentary. "It was not a public health response," I read as, This response was not a learned, taken-from-experience-and-the-literature, carefully thought out response to a public health crisis. Therein he acknowledges that there *was* a public health crisis. I disagree: there was no public health crisis.

Splitting hairs? Words matter. Bigly.

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Fla Mom's avatar

This is what I posted on FB in July 2020 (it popped up as a memory post recently):

Statement from a real person who lives in Florida:

ā€œI have been through the drive through testing sites 3 times now. HOW do they know if people don’t have symptoms? I myself have never been asked if I was symptomatic, nor is that question on your paperwork.ā€

Who on Earth designed this program, so that you don’t even know if people have symptom #1?! I’m about ready to throw all of the field of public health into the ocean, for the good they seem to be able to do; it might even be an improvement. ā€œ10,000 more cases,ā€ they cry. Cases of what? Of a positive test with no other information. What’s the positive predictive value of these test results? Smh. I pray that nobody I ever trained is involved in such a scam.

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ConcernedGrammy's avatar

There is literally no such thing as "public health". That's verbal collectivism.There is only the health of an individual.

The "positive yet asymptomatic" got me. The teats were a false and a money makers, ordered in 2018. "Asymptomatic" = Not SICK! UT they wanted everyone scared of everyone else, like a bunch of "Typhoid Mary's" just waiting to infect you.

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Yes and no on public health. Sources of water, how wastes (human, animal, and garbage) are disposed of, whether the air or sea/lake/river is clean, etc., all affect populations, not just individuals. John Snow removing the handle of the contaminated Broad Street water pump during the cholera epidemic in London is an example of affecting the health of a population. The USDA's food pyramid and consequent messaging to the public seems to have made the U.S. much more obese, since the base of it was many servings of carbohydrates daily, discouraging protein and fats. Unfortunately, the field has turned into 'the brownshirts of medicine,' finally not even hiding their tyrannical tendencies. They really love to tell other people how to live and what they must and must not do.

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You were totally on top of it. Amen.

I knew about PCR and that it was useless as a diagnostic. Think I could get anybody to listen? Particularly since I'm not a physician, but even physicians, well, we know how that went.

I'm not on fb. That place is bad, BAD news re surveillance capitalism. I'm surprised the legacy comment hasn't been wiped from public existence. Or maybe it has, and it's only in your personal fb space memory. Moot.

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But where were all my former colleagues, some of whom were still practicing? I actually ended up arguing with some (on Facebook) about it all. I was stunned they couldn't see what was happening. Yes, FB does gather a lot of info, but I'm able to use it too, for my own purposes, educating those in my sphere (which now includes followers whom I don't even know in real life). That verse about "what you meant for evil, God meant for good" is my theme for FB.

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Good question, where were all your former colleagues.

Soldier on, sister. War is hell, and we're in one. The soul of humanity is at stake. If you had tried to tell me around the turn of the century of the import of these times / the times to come 20 years hence, I wouldn't have believed it. Life is stranger than fiction. And then we die. If you can forgive the dark humor. Tired. My excuse. šŸ’¤

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When I read the book Generations in the late '90s, they described my generation as being the elders giving advice to the younger generations who would lead and fight any battles, whether military or of some other description, in the crisis that was to come. At the time I thought, "But what advice would I give? I don't feel wise enough to give advice." God has provided both the intervening education (in Western Civ and the genealogy of liberty from ancient times to now) and everything else I needed to now be sharing information and trying to persuade as many as I can. It's true, you couldn't make up a lot of what's now happening, or if you did others would say it's not worth publishing, because no one would believe you.

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This is so interesting. As an introvert (hence half of the handle) and a never-an-activist but imbued with the drum of that "question authority" mantra of my generation (hint on the @Heterodox other half), and an HSP to boot, sitting in my echo chamber with my small circle that has saved my sanity over the last 3 years, and online with the Childers crowd for instance, clarity on my role in this conflagration has eluded me. Someone on a substack board once commented on the wisdom they felt I brought. I was gobsmacked. Wisdom? Me? I kind of went radio silence on that particular board trying to absorb that shock to the system as I felt its weight. Maybe that's it, though. My role. I am an elder, ancient in my stupid, ignorant, undeveloped former young adult eyes (Don't trust anyone over 30. 30!), but young at heart. I bite my tongue to great sadness and sorrow speaking to lifetime friends from childhood and young adulthood who are not awake. How can I see and they cannot? And how can I help them out of the matrix? Only a couple of them read (what would I do without books?!) but I guess not the same sort of material I do. Whitney Webb's One Nation Under Blackmail should be a bestseller it's so g-dblessed important. Not quite a page turner, a rough ride, which I suppose will keep it off the lists of those old friends. Venting.

Anyway, the elder thing with the wisdom to offer, the knowing I'm not made for the front lines genetically but feeling I want so dearly to do something to help the other humans up and through this unprecedented, raging conflict... I'm suddenly struck that more than anything else I have to relax. Thursday morning mini-epiphany. I know God wins. And I know every single one of us is going to leave the planet in our time. This ride though. Ugh. Stumbling one day at a time. The circumstances, as you say, would see nothing but rejection from publication.

Thank you for the food for thought. Little did you know. But there you go. You're playing your role. Even with a near contemporary if I guess correctly. No questions or inquiry in this. Enough said. Off to the balance of Thursday...

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Roger Beal's avatar

RFK Jr. and DJT both need to wake up to those facts.

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Heterodox Introvert's avatar

Thanks. I don't follow. Anybody. Well, maybe Jeff Childers on a daily basis. Does that count? If you do follow and interpret that he knows, I can't disagree. I don't know better. Thank you again.

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Carrie's avatar

People were murdered because effective treatments like ivermectin were not allowed, the deadly Remdesivir was pushed on patients, people were told to stay home and not go to the hospital until it was almost too late for them, people were put on ventilators which was basically a death sentence .....to name a a few reasons for the US deaths. Also, as someone else said, if you died they coded you as a covid death even if you were in a motorcycle accident.

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Kelly's avatar

We had a local clinic which was attached to the big, local hospital. The doctor freely prescribed ivermectin to covid patients. The big hospital found out and shut his clinic down.

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Carrie's avatar

So sad. How many people could have been saved? Yes, I'm naive but I had no idea our government was so evil.

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Roger Beal's avatar

These stats confirm what my tinfoil hat told me, about which ethnic and socioeconomic groups are the targets of the virus/vaxx bioweapon sequence.

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Janice P - Words Beyond Me's avatar

And there is no creature hidden from His sight, but all things are open and laid bare to the eyes of Him with whom we have to do. Therefore, since we have a great high priest who has passed through the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our confession. For we do not have a high priest who cannot sympathize with our weaknesses, but One who has been tempted in all things as we are, yet without sin. Therefore let us draw near with confidence to the throne of grace, so that we may receive mercy and find grace to help in time of need.

— Hebrews 4:13-16 NASB1995

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Julie Ann B's avatar

Keep the daily scripture coming, Janice! It offers such peace and comfort in the midst of these times He has placed us in. May we stay strong in our faith and draw near to Him.

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Noelle S (Jennifer Incognito)'s avatar

Janice, this is beautiful. I echo Julie Ann, keep the scripture coming. I have been renewed by God's word throughout the past three years and have logged many verses, including many shared on substack. For anyone interested, I am toying with regular postings of my faith ramblings, started today. Here is my story, for any interested:

https://open.substack.com/pub/ramblingsoffaith/p/my-story?r=q9ex1&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web

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Janice P - Words Beyond Me's avatar

Oh I could feel all the frustration as I relived those years alongside you, although I didn’t experience the career destruction personally. My husband works for an airline though, and there was a shot mandate. But, thankfully, he submitted a religious exemption, they accepted it, then the mandate went away. Praise the Lord. Incidentally, he has never had a covid test, but I had 13 of them from December 2020 to January 2022 because of medical facility requirements.

I look forward to reading your faith journey!

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Noelle S (Jennifer Incognito)'s avatar

Thank you. It is hard to put in words how hard it was to be terminated for doing what I had always done and what made me so good at my job - trusting my instincts (in this case, my conscience and God) and confirming the details. But God gave clear direction throughout. Ask my family, I never wavered, despite the consequences of my choice. And God has provided and has kept us healthy. And He has blessed me in so many ways for the destruction of my professional ego, while giving me permission to grieve and to be broken-hearted. God's will be done, if I am to receive earthly justice.

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Julie Ann B's avatar

Beautifully said Jennifer. God will always guide us through the tough times if we set our heart and mind in Him.

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Dawn B's avatar

At this point, we can only trust God. There is so much to deal with and we can't cope or battle it ourselves.

Thanks for the scripture.

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Janice P - Words Beyond Me's avatar

Admitting total dependence on the Lord is the beginning of a true faith walk.

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Lorita's avatar

Thank you!

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The Phoenix's avatar

The end of the skit is gold .. ā€œ.. for the rest of my 3 or 4 years until I get a heart attackā€

That is a perfectly executed comedic shift!

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Jean Anderson's avatar

The audience is laughing but he just sounds more bitter as he goes on...

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Freedom Fox's avatar

"Gender-affirming care" is sterilization of the mentally ill. Buck v. Bell "Three generations of imbeciles is enough" eugenics law. An 8-1 decision written by Oliver Wendell Holmes, cited by defendants at Nuremberg. Never overturned, only slightly tweaked by Skinner. It was actually one of two cases cited in the Roe v. Wade ruling . (Jacobson being the other, mandatory vax law. It's all interrelated.)

Eugenics. "Gender-affirming care" is a Madison Avenue makeover for eugenics.

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Peter Schott's avatar

Sadly, it's taking out the effects on the children of the mentally ill. If you look at the parents pushing this, they all seem to fit a certain mold. :(

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Annie's avatar

They do. A ballless father and a mother who folds. Then the mom gets caught up in all the petting and grooming of her child and herself. She joins the cult and looks the other way on all side effects. You ask how do I know this? I watched it happen to the family right beside me. It is so f*cked up on so many levels it makes me sick. I am only nice to the tranny kid as he is the true victim here. Both parents have time and time again failed to protect their child. Nasty.

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Heather's avatar

No doubt there are cases like this, but so many parents are stuck in really hard situations. Not affirming can result in losing custody if divorced or a CPS call or no contact from the newly adult child....therapist and doctors all affirm so the parents that don’t affirm have no allies...friends and family just want to show love to the child so affirm. The PITT substack gives a glimpse of what many families are actually going through and might make you slightly more hesitant to label and blame

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RunningLogic's avatar

It’s horrible šŸ˜ž

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Freedom Fox's avatar

That's the point of eugenics. Stop the undesirables from breeding, the undesirable genes being passed down from parent to child. Don't make more stupid people. Mental cases. Disabled. Defiant. What is believed by the eugenicist.

A pseudoscience that says undesirable traits are genetic. Even though the children of very successful, wealthy, powerful, even royals often end up being some of the stupidest, deformed, despicable inbreds of all.

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Noelle S (Jennifer Incognito)'s avatar

But it is interesting that while Buck v Bell (and state equivalents, NC Supreme Court had an equivalent ruling in 1976) have been overridden by other action. For example, in NC, reparations were paid to people who were forced sterilized through the formal state sanctioned program. Similarly, while Korematsu (Japanese internment camp case) has not been overturned, Korematsu was awarded a medal of freedom and other federal executive action has effectively overruled Korematsu.

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Tonya's avatar

It never keeps it from happening again, though. It just gives the false impression that the govt has "learned its lesson".

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Freedom Fox's avatar

There are many legal minds who say Buck v. Bell has been overridden as you describe, by actions in many of the state's. But it is still the case law of the nation, and was upheld as recently as a 2001 case. And as we are seeing in these times antiquated unused, unoverturned case law is being picked up and dusted off for malicious, selective prosecutions of undesirables. And Buck is very useful to those ends.

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Noelle S (Jennifer Incognito)'s avatar

Agreed and understood. We need Buck, Korematsu, Jacobson, just to name a few, formally overturned, so we can have a clean slate, where those horrific rulings cannot be used as justification for other actions that restrict the freedoms given to us by our creator.

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Thing is, Gender-affirming care really, truly is eugenics, three generations of imbecile sterilizations.

The attempts at differentiation are based in voluntariness of the person being sterilized. Buck v Bell issue is involuntary sterilization, who qualifies to be involuntarily sterilized.

But what is voluntary? Is coercion voluntary? How coercive is the school and childcare, mental health professional indoctrination and Madison Avenue marketing campaign?

Official contracts include language stating that the signator isn't under coercion or duress. Elements that invalidate consent. And contracts with minors aren't weighted with the full force of law, they cannot consent to major contractual decisions.

Yet minors are given permission to consent to sterilization?!?!

The voluntariness of sterilizing the mentally ill isn't a sturdy legal shield to hide eugenics behind. But...because Buck v. Bell remains settled law the voluntariness issue is an attempt to bypass the restrictions the decision is predicated on. Not the underlying fact that the Supreme Court agreed with a full-throated endorsement of eugenics, asserting stupid, undesirable, mentally ill people shouldn't procreate. That's what Buck v Bell says. It's only quibble with eugenics is the voluntary vs involuntary nature of it. Saying involuntary is ok under a set of conditions the state makes the case for. And "gender-affirming care" is a legalistic linguistic ad agency--inspired work-around to the Court's objection.

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The false threat of suicide if left "untreated" seems to violate the coersion to consent. Especially those parents who did put up a fight and lost custody or medical decisionmaking power. Interesting parallel between sex changes and covid vax, actually.šŸ¤”

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Freedom Fox's avatar

Deciding who controls your body, your life. What are the boundaries between you and the world outside you. Our bodies as they relate to "public health and safety," the collective's health and safety obligations vis-a-vis the individual's right to autonomy. The Typhoid Mary biological risk is connected to the risk to the collective's gene pool, a sickly (including mentally ill, antisocials) population is connected to a fetus's right to life inside the life of another and the desirability of that fetus's life to the collective. All the same area of constitutional law. It's why those cases Buck, Roe and Jacobson are usually cited in major bodily autonomy decisions.

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And undesirable people is what political opponents and the disobedient are lumped into under eugenics. Exactly what Germany did in the 1930's-1940's. And what Canada is doing today, euthanasia being a close cousin to eugenics.

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"Gender-affirming care," i.e. Buck v. Bell "Three generations of imbeciles is enough" sterilizations of the mentally ill, undesirables eugenics, and its close cousin euthanasia:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12349523/Trans-indigenous-Canadian-slams-doctors-denying-euthanasia-request-saying-death-free-agony-surgically-built-vagina.html

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Noelle S (Jennifer Incognito)'s avatar

I am fascinated by In re Moore, the 1976 NC Supreme Court Case upholding as constitutional the NC statute on sterilization. They briefly touched on consent but did not have to discuss because the court clearly found that the respondent and his mother had consented. They "did not attach much importance to the respondent's consent due to his mental condition, [but] his mother unquestionably is in a position to know what is best..." Since reparations, they have put out reams of information, including official lessons, condemning the act of forced sterilization and eugenics, and they focus on the issue of consent and how it might be coerced.

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Thanks, good information point to share!

I've not seen case law that has focused on consent coerced by authorities like hospitals, government health and mental health officials, etc. There seems to be a presumption that they act with hard power like forceful demands while individuals are the ones who use soft power, manipulation and coercion to trick family members. Not allowing for authorities to employ soft power, too, to elicit consent they've manufactured.

"Nudge" public policy has never faced judicial scrutiny. Nudge units were established across the US during the Obama administration (and in the UK under Cameron) by executive orders, bypassing public comment and oversight. Psychological mind-farkery to help government officials achieve their public policy goals without much opposition, the soft power of propaganda and, well, brainwashing, has never faced legal challenged. They wield it like a weapon against a hostile populace they occupy and rule. Not a well-informed citizenry the serve at the pleasure of.

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Noelle S (Jennifer Incognito)'s avatar

Reading about the Facebook files, my question is, what similar pressure was put on private employers, especially the regulated entities? My former employer had "red flag" training where managers were told to flag employees who protested government action or medical advice. Did the Biden administration in some way pressure large regulated employers to decide for their employees what was true and false? Real question- for Jeff also - is there a source of info on this? I am beginning to wonder how much farther than social media should Biden v Missouri exploring.

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PRIDEsteria: Best Gender and Transgender Memes (Follow the $!)

- Size matters, times are a changing, all you need to know (it's about the $), unanswered questions and more Trans memes - WARNING: Includes graphic pics of mutilation surgeries!

https://covidsteria.substack.com/p/best-gender-transgender-memes-follow-the-money

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Julie Ann B's avatar

Thank you, Jeff, for being such a warrior that you’re willing to take the time to write this even while on vacation! May God bless your family with special time together wherever you are! ā¤ļø

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RunningLogic's avatar

I second this post!!

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šŸ™

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Based Florida Man's avatar

Recall the pain and de-platforming inflicted on Kyrie Irving, who refused the Jabs... but courageously hung in there and kept his job. But they wouldn't allow him to play at the home games (Madison Square Gardens) because of the mandate: https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/32387481/brooklyn-nets-say-kyrie-irving-play-practice-eligible-local-covid-19-vaccination-mandate

But the team lost so many games they made an exception to allow Kyrie to play at again despite being a pureblood. Contrast with LeBrandon James, who briefly considered joining Kyrie in defying the Jab. But he folded much like his flops on the floor (where a gentle tap from a defender sends him flying and crying to the ref).

So now LeGenius James has a son who may never excel in sports assuming he has myocarditis or any of the other Jab side-effects.

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I have no sympathy for celebs who try to influence others and those who listen to them....we need more brain and logic power. Why would any thinking person take medical advice from a basketball player? Actually, I have gotten to the point that I think and research deeply any advice from any medical doctor.

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Janet's avatar

I’m training myself to question everything now. And research. I’m thinking that’s good for my 75 yo brain as I carry on.

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RunningLogic's avatar

I agree. That’s the best strategy. Question and research. Don’t take anyone’s word for anything.

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SadieJay's avatar

House: "Everybody lies."

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Oregon Kathy's avatar

Me too. But then you’ve got people on our side who post the most outrageous claims without any background or proof. Like we’re just supposed to believe their nonsense. I always ask them for a link.

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Janet's avatar

I sometimes ask for links as well. I try to sense the stink in some of the stuff others post and the over the top screaming. It’s out there. I have unsubscribed to a few because of this. I compress it mainly to some kind of common sense look that experience 75 years has given me. I’ve been deceived to a large degree but my eyes are more open now. Probably when I most need it. I also ask myself is this the cunning of Satan. I just pray for discernment. It’s exhausting and crippling to always look for the worst around us.

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Juliann's avatar

Amen!

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Roger Beal's avatar

Why would any thinking person take medical advice from a highly-paid salesman for the pharmaceutical industry?

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FreeBird07's avatar

Or a cocky, vulgar radio "personality"

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Annie's avatar

Yep. His son paid for the failing of his father to protect him. All for fake prestige and fake glory oh and $$$$ ka-ching. šŸ¤‘

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Based Florida Man's avatar

Yes, and any of his family that he helped avoid the shots. Unlike the James family.

James is a billionaire but now his son has a damaged heart.

Was it worth it to simp out for BigPharma?

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Annie's avatar

And more importantly healthy as is his family.

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Roederer's avatar

A great post, Mr. Childers. The way you untangle these legal issues is so good. And that vax comedy clip was solid gold.

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Gigi Gummerson's avatar

Nice to know Anne Frank would be safe with the majority of us...thanks for the laugh Jeff!!

Interesting subject for a quick post, have you seen Mercola’s post about his bank cancelling an 18 year old account? Just happened to another doc who was on an AirBnB vacation. He was told get out after 3 days, account cancelled.

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RunningLogic's avatar

This happened to Gab’s Andrew Torba as well, maybe in 2021?

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Janet's avatar

Read that this morning. Not on mercolas site though. Very worrying. I have a local bank and not on any social network.

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nt's avatar

What !!? Craziness !!!!!

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Tonya's avatar

Supposedly, LeBron was initially skeptical, but after getting the "facts," he decided that getting the v@x was the best decision.

Sounds like a marketing campaign designed specifically to target "hesitant" black individuals.

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Kathleen Janoski's avatar

Guess LeBron never heard of Tuskegee.

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JohnS's avatar

Or Hank Aaron and Marvin Hagler.

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Kathleen Janoski's avatar

...and the actor Lance Reddick.

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Krista Hull's avatar

I didn't know Lance Reddick died until I read you comment. I loved Bosch.

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Kathleen Janoski's avatar

Lance Reddick was a real workout person...always exercising and in really great shape. He was only 60 years old.

Bosch is one of the best series on Amazon.

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CaliforniaLost's avatar

One of my best friends was an African American, and he joked that the covid was just Tuskegee Part II. He took the shots and died in Feb 2022 of a heart attack after a booster. Fear makes people do weird things.

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Kathleen Janoski's avatar

That is so sad.

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CHop's avatar

We think alike!

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Annie's avatar

Yep.

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Sheryl's avatar

Too bad Reuters didn't do a VAERS search on covid vax. I guess they see nothing interesting to look at there.

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Jeff Childers's avatar

I wondered if the reporter would've even known about VAERS without the pandemic. I think they know. They're just not allowed to talk about it.

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Transcriber B's avatar

Yep.

For those who haven't seen it, this is the list of US media that took money from the US government for "We Can Do This" the COVID-19 Public Education Campaign, "An initiative to increase confidence in COVID-19 vaccines and reinforce basic prevention measures."

https://wecandothis.hhs.gov/sites/default/files/documents/Paid%20Media%20List%20for%20Posting%207.12.22_508c.pdf

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Emma's avatar

Basically everyone

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Peace's avatar

I would love to know the amount of money each outlet received!!

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Tonya's avatar

VAERS is for vaccine injury. FAERS is for injury from other drugs. It's the FDA's "post-marketing safety surveillance program for all marketed drug and therapeutic biologic products."

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YYR's avatar

Can't dis the big money advertisers.

Brought to you by Pfizer, where the breakthroughs never stop.

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NeoBob's avatar

Yes, was wondering about the supposed VAERS research by Reuters. If so, it was puberty blockers in combo with a probable Vax reaction. All other drug safety signals should been researched in FAERS. https://www.fda.gov/drugs/questions-and-answers-fdas-adverse-event-reporting-system-faers/fda-adverse-event-reporting-system-faers-public-dashboard

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"Reuters found 72 adverse event reports submitted to the FDA from 2013 through 2021 of children on puberty blockers who showed suicidal, self-injurious, or depressive behavior."

Wow, 72. That was probably the number of adverse effects for a normal Tuesday in early 2021 at my local Kaiser from the Covid shot.

Reuters, so brave.

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ā€œWe don’t know the long-term effects on cognitive function. It could make it better, worse. We have no idea.ā€ They don't know ANY long term effects, but have guessed these so-called gender "care" hormones can cause stunted growth and brain issues. And yet they STILL push them. Demons, I say.

In similar news, Ohio is kicking around bills to get minor trans-crap ended. If all goes as planned, soon these nuts won't be able to drug, give hormones to, or cut the parts off minors in my state. The "trans" nuts are crying and screaming, of course, to which I say wait till you're 18 or move to Commiefornia.

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Raptor's avatar

The only logical question is "In what way could the blockers have a positive effect on cognition?" They talk as if there are known and unknown pros and cons. Lay them out.

Totally agree with you. They are demons. The whole trans thing top to bottom is demonic. He wants to take as many of us to hell with him. Wants us to NOT procreate. This delusion is a perfect bullseye.

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Anthony's avatar

As a fellow Ohioan, wonderful news!

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RunningLogic's avatar

I pray those bills will be passed!

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June's avatar

The comedy bit was interesting. I noticed both laughs and a weird silence...Like the audience recognizes their mistake. I hope it's another avenue to help wake up the masses. Also, will the celebrities start waking up now that heart attacks are hitting their healthy kids??

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Pug's avatar

I may be jaded but it seemed to me he was still making fun of the unshotted. He was just spouting off things the unshotted probably told him for taking the shots for literally no reason. I did not sense any real remorse and yes I know it is comedy. He knows he's not going to die in 4 years as the unshotted conspiracy theorists always say, so he is making fun of that.

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ConcernedGrammy's avatar

Silly rabbit. Bronny had Covid, THAT'S what caused his heart attack! That's the running story, anyway. šŸ™„

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Renea Buchholz's avatar

"Nut to the jab lovers , you must never question the vaccines, not directly or indirectly, not in any way."

Not in a car, not in a bar, not in chair, not at a fair, not by a frog , not while you jog..........

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Renea Buchholz's avatar

Ha! not sure how the word nut got there..but it looks appropriate.

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LMWC's avatar

It was a banner running all over Fox this morning, the Biden administration has decided that all travelers to EUROPE by 2024 will have to purchase a VISA. Huh? Meanwhile, in Washington DC groups such as Freedomworks, TurningPoint USA, many state chapters of freedom groups are speaking out to Congress about canceling many Biden administration mandates including disentangling the US from the W.H.O.. crickets from mainstream media!

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Gigi Gummerson's avatar

Do the invaders on the southern border show their passport/Visa šŸ¤” (Satire)

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Annie's avatar

Yeah. If I want to go anywhere I will just identify with an illegal and voila. Problem solved.

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Roger Beal's avatar

Many of them do show a government-issued, pre-funded VISA charge card.

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annademo's avatar

It's a new EU requirement, starting in 2024. ETIAS.

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Janet's avatar

Already decided I’m staying home even though I have a sister in Ireland. As for Europe—been there—done that.

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Annie's avatar

Yes. Don't want to see the sh*thole it has become.

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YYR's avatar

I wanted to take my kids. At least one of them made it after the vax and before whatever bs requirements this visa will entail.

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LMWC's avatar

I believe it is just another distraction. We already need a passport to travel out of the US, but Europe wants a VISA also? Another headline grabber to keep us from asking the real questions

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Janet's avatar

Probably another way to begin corralling us into the spaces they want us. Squeeze.

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on the doss's avatar

It is not the USA that is doing this, it is the EU.

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ConcernedGrammy's avatar

So you have to ASK them to come? Gonna be hell on tourism.

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