The problem with catching cancer before symptoms is that not all cancer will kill you. Many cancers are very slow growing cancers that people will die with and not from. This has a huge effect on quality of life. If you are aggressively treating a non aggressive cancer your quality of life will suffer. Modern medicine is great....except when it’s not.
The problem with catching cancer before symptoms is that not all cancer will kill you. Many cancers are very slow growing cancers that people will die with and not from. This has a huge effect on quality of life. If you are aggressively treating a non aggressive cancer your quality of life will suffer. Modern medicine is great....except when it’s not.
My family member was just killed by surgery to remove a tumor that the doctors *believed* would become malignant. The narrative is that he died “due to complications from surgery.” No, the doctors and hospital killed him.
My journey of extreme skepticism of the medical monopoly, & bureaucracy etc began in 1986. A team of supposedly well-respected nephrologists wanted “exploratory surgery” for my mom who was 66 at the time. She had a blocked kidney & thankfully I had the presence of mind to stand firm for less invasive procedures (a stent in the “kinked” ureter did the trick.) I was blessed to have her for another 30 years to age 96. Also, I had at the time a very knowledgeable & brilliant Applied Kinesiologist who had some very astute interventions that I should inquire of the surgeons before they did what they do. (I was so naive - his statement that surgeon’s are “knife happy” was an eye-opener). I am thankful for surgeon’s who do perform amazing, “necessary” life-saving surgery. It is the corporatist hospital system that is so destructive because it IS big business. And, of course, Bigg Harmass has contributed to our health systems’ demise.
Not for profit hospitals get huge deals from the government if they agree to do some gratis work in the community they are located. Their books show that money coming in is used for payroll, improvements, and additions. A little extra book work for big benefits.
Hospice is often a sanitized comforting form of euthanizing via water and food deprivation and pain killing administration. Why NOT just legalize it and end the pretend means to the same end? I'm not saying it's evil nor that we just give a family member a prescription to administer it; just a cautionary commentary and a rhetorical question. It's something most all of us must confront and proceed through. Perhaps in the whole of humanity's history we are at the very BEST place for this? I wrestle some however. I don't have THE answer but don't suggest that really anyone does i just recoiled some with the pat answers and conversations from the hospice center employee(s). But i wouldn't desire that occupation as a full time long term career either.
It may seem to be just that but when a person is dying they don’t need to eat. Even when a person dies at home they aren’t interested in food. My mom died in hospice. A couple of weeks before she went to hospice she had no interest in food. In hospice, fluids were provided intravenously along with pain meds and undoubtedly sedatives to ease the anxiety. My BIL died at home using hospice and without the pain meds it would have been horrible to deal with for my SIL. My uncle is at home now with hospice and while he’s still able to eat he has no appetite. He’s been supplied with pain meds when he needs them but is not looking forward to “needing” them. While we all will suffer to a lesser or greater degree, it seems only humane to ease the pain and passage of our loved ones. I’m thankful I didn’t have to see my mom writhing in pain.
Interesting, because my SIL told my MIL on the way to Hospice that this was it, there was no coming out again. My MIL was super thin, but her main problem was from a stroke she had years before and she could not really speak coherently. It took her two weeks to die and they said she was not allowed food or drink, although they did swipe a moist sponge on a stick through her mouth once in a while. My hubby and sisters sat there and sang and held her hand and thought it was all fine. I had to leave, I could not witness the long slow (and what must have been angonizing internally) death march. I feel to this day it was planned and sanctioned societal murder. Horrifying.
Oh dear. That’s not a pleasant thought. I know of people who have come home from hospice so it doesn’t have to be the end. It might have to do with the state or country’s laws regarding hospice care. One of my friends was in hospice with what she thought was a life-threatening illness - it was not cancer. On Christmas Eve one year, she was not happy with what they were doing for her and/or giving her. She was told before she went to hospice, they would be able to give her some meds she could not get anywhere else. So, she checked herself out and went to an ER. There was some grumbling from the hospital. Once you’re in hospice, technically, you are signed off of other insurance plans. In any case, an alert ER physician heard her conversation with the admitting nurse, agreed to treat her and she is still living today.
I had an aunt who had similar symptoms to your MIL- 3 little strokes in a row which left her handicapped with a speech impediment. She died at home, thankfully. But the scene you describe is something I would not have wanted to witness either. If she was still able to eat, then I agree that it was more like euthanasia.
In a discussion on Catholic radio sometime ago, it was said that after ‘entering hospice’, if the patient or their family insisted on stopping the process, they would not be accepted by Hospice again.
I’m glad we’re talking about this. I want to know more.
I think if I had anyone in my family that was nearing hospice treatment, I’d be doing some research. There must be policies written in the law on a state by state basis. I can’t remember if denying hospice in the future once you sign out was an issue for my friend here in Florida. It seems to me that even in the dying process one would have some bodily autonomy. We have Living Wills that dictate what treatment we will accept or not accept. Then again, it may depend upon what sort of treatment hospice will afford you. Will it be caring for the dying in a humane and pain free way or for someone like my friend who needs certain treatment not given in any other institution. (That always seemed a bit odd to me.) And, I don’t think I’ve heard about food trollies rolling down the halIs either. I believe hospice in Florida is paid for by Medicare. I never received a bill. Hmm. Here is me wearing my conspiracy shoes. Maybe hospice is refused payment by the state if the patient doesn’t die there.
When the patient stops being able to swallow, they do not force food or fluid orally. If a Hospice patient begins to improve, they are discharged from the Hospice program because there are a limited number of days allowed by Medicare. They are able to restart the program if the patient needs it later.
Your experience sounds like mine. I get not forcing food. I do not like the totally doped up state I saw. Basically the hospital staff didn’t have to do anything other than administer the morphine regularly. The catheter bag never came close to filling up and thus needing attention during the several days I was there. My brother was never moved.
Dying is a pretty important process of transitioning. I want awareness and I am willing to endure some pain as a trade off.
Amen, it's an internal struggle of my own coming to terms with the entirety of the process and the systems we've instituted along with it; watching a loved one decline and suffer and being unable to help is a difficult reality.
So right. I just read an account of a British caregiver who was distraught over how the elderly she was caring for were given an inordinate amount of midozolam (sedative) which in some opinions actually slows the heart rate. This was during the scamdemic making it even more egregious. IDK, if anything will ever be resolved in that situation. However, If we have loved ones enduring these endings, I think it incumbent on us to be vigilant. Not to mention taking care to set plans in place for ourselves.
i'm not applying anything universally; assisting in the dying/exiting process is noble especially when immediate and loving family is involved. Yes it's not a pretty or peaceful process esp with pain and suffering and the nonstop attention and care required
The hospital sent my father home. He could not be helped as his organs were failing. The standard procedure is sedation with morphine at a level not quite high enough to kill. He had that “morphine mask” - eyes and mouth wide open and the fear he was experiencing was palpable. He was with us for two days in that state. When he died, and this is going to sound strange, on the following day he spoke to me as I was just about to leave for his wake. Here is what he said... “Please stay with me just for a little while. I am confused and alone. You can’t sleep here. Just stay with me.“ From this I surmised that when we die in a drug induced state it disturbs the breaking away process. It makes it harder for the soul to leave the physical body and understand what has happened. I got the sense he wasn’t sure if he was actually dead or still experiencing the strange effects of the suspended space the drugs had created. Later, through a series of visions/visits I had with him I know that he found his way.
thank you for this, it's very important that we connect on this issue and not succumb to disposable persons who are helpless and failing and deem their dignity and value to be less than human. Death comes for all, gay straight, rich, poor, Nationalist, Anti-Nationalist, Ukrainian or Russian, embryo or 100 year old, Hindu or Muslim. Grateful for your closure and shalom granted to your soul
‘I experienced this with an estranged, troubled destitute brother who had sustained a suspicious (to me) head wound. I arrived at the hospital to find him totally unresponsive due to morphine that was given anytime he made a move or sound. No water or food. He lived several days beyond the projected time of death. It killed me to see him this way.
But apparently there are different levels of hospice, due to one’s means I suppose. A fairly well off Priest that I know was declared to have gone into hospice care about 4 months ago and is yet alive. Obviously he receives nutrition and water. And people have visited him and he was fairly lucid.
The whole process is very disturbing to me. Particularly that it seems to be different for different classes of people.
some "patients" in this situation seem to cry out for their end while others seem to cry out to not want to be terminated in this fashion; it's not our realm of expertise so we tend to relinquish oversight and control to those who express kindness sympathy and the professional answers that dismiss our fears and questions and disarm our objections
Thank you, San. I am so angry. He was a fit 73 year old man who was very proactive about his health because he’s the sole caregiver for his disabled wife. I don’t know what will happen to her now because she’s incapable of living on her own. I’m 1,000 miles away so there’s not much I can do, especially since I refuse to fly with vaxxed pilots.
Good to hear you saved your mom from surgery trauma. My sister is a (now retired) nurse. She told me decades ago, “Don’t go to a surgeon unless you want surgery.”
San, you write: "thankfully I had the presence of mind to stand firm for less invasive procedures". Unfortunately the way the system works now, unless you have an advocate in your corner who can stand up to the doctors you are done. I am thankful that two years ago my wife was able to argue in my favor when I was in hospital for an operation.
Peter - you are sooo right- I became her advocate for 27 years. Thankful for anyone who is an advocate for better healthcare for their family or friends. Lord knows - they are so crucial nowadays
My 1st thought about D’Souza whose no problem disfiguring children for a false narrative built around a mental illness of gender dysphoria. With the right support with this disorder, we can keep these kids healthy and prevent suicidal ideation.
To them, everything has risks and benefits. They alleged that the risks were small and the benefit of not having a potentially cancerous tumor was immense. To them, this death is sad and unfortunate, but a very unfortunate risk that one must be willing to accept while hoping for a good outcome.
My daughter agreed to exploratory surgery after years of constant kidney issues. The urologist( who was there also) offered to take out an atrophied kidney ( that was still functioning) and “ clean up” her other kidney. These people are monsters. And whatever happened to DO NO HARM.
modern med unfortunately is all about overtreating everything. A cold does not need a doctor, if you are desperate enough and still go, the cold that heals in a week will take a month or more to heal, and you will end up bedridden on antibiotics. Had a friend suffer it out like that.
Antibiotics! So, back when I was a youngster, under the age of 5, I suffered from recurring tonsillitis. I’m sure I received lots of penicillin but the ear and throat infections were endless. Finally, our family doctor suggested I have a tonsillectomy. Tonsils and maybe adenoids were removed. Since that time I have never had a serious sore throat or ear infection. The doctor did not up my prescriptions or suggest tubes in my ears. He just yanked out the whole shebang. I am almost 73 years old and have been mostly healthy since 1956 when I had what used to be a common childhood surgery. It seems that now days doctors very seldom recommend tonsillectomies. Could it be that they are relying heavily on antibiotics? Anyone have any thoughts on this? Am I crazy?
My daughter had recurrent tonsillitis and strep throat. We think sleep apnea too. We had her tonsils and adenoids taken out a few months ago. I hope we did the right thing. Your story gives me hope! Ps Kids still get their tonsils taken out regularly.
I would be interested to know how your daughter's health changes, for better or worse. I remember vividly being very ill with almost chronic sore throats. I never attended kindergarten because I was always so sick. Since the tonsillectomy I have been pretty darned healthy. I had all the childhood illnesses (measles, mumps, chicken pox) and I've had colds and the flu a couple of times but no more tonsillitis or ear infections. I hope your daughter has the same results.
I really hope so, too. Kids do still get tonsils out but not like when I was a kid. The doctor advised my mom to have my tonsils out and, while he was at it, he also yanked out my little sister’s tonsils. 2 for the price of one!
I think in the US they still remove the tonsils. I was in Belgium, had the tonsils peeled but not removed, with the same effect. I read somewhere that tonsils keep allergies at bay. So I am glad I still have mine. 12 years ago I had tonsillitis probably from driving in an overheated car with my mouth open! Only had it once and lasted only a couple days, yes, with antibiotics, because the herbal treatments don't seem to work for that. I also seem to have had quite a few ear infections but was not even 4 when they did the surgery and do not remember. A cousin about 30 had hers removed in Belgium this winter and said it is the worst pain she ever had, and she has undergone several surgeries already, throat is one big open oozing wound. Surgery at adult age is quite dangerous
When I was a kid in the 1950s, getting tonsils removed was almost a fad, as I look back at it. It seems like half the kids I knew had them out at some point in the 6 to 12 age range. I always thought it was odd. Thank goodness I never succumbed to that!
That sounds horrible. Glad I had it done while I still healed quickly. I have had very few allergies. Mostly poison ivy and various insects and mites (like chiggers!)
glad you excaped the allergies. I get lots of insect bites, mostly mosquitoes and horseflies, and some smaller insects, spiders and ants. Friends think I eat too much sugar LOL that I must smell sweet. Chiggers and fleas do not bite me, and so far so good with the poison ivy. Yes we were lucky we have barely a memory of the whole surgery. In fact all I remember is they gave me lots of ice cream!
Cancer comes and goes....if they see it during a test, you're down for major medical intervention. Eating a diet rich in sugar will cause cancer to show up in tests especially if sugar is eaten night before, but if you fast and starve the sugar, the cancer likely won't be picked up! It's diet people!
I’m 80. I learned some years ago to only buy what’s sold around the outside walls of the super market. Do not shop up and down the aisles. That is where the poison is sold. Otherwise known as processed foods.
The first day was weird. I absolutely love my coffee but by cutting the sugar I didn't even crave the second cup. By the time I cut the sugar down to a 1/4 of my normal, I started to love my second and third cup again. The first 3 days was the worst and now I can't imagine what it would taste like if I went back to my old sugar amount. I'd probably gag...LOL
Quick! I need a dermatologist who doesn't blindly follow the protocols. I went to a local doc because of a suspicious spot on my cheek. I was told it was not cancer, then the doctor looked at my face using what appeared to be a simple flashlight, and found two spots on my nose. They were biopsied and said to be squamous cell cancer. I am supposed to have MOHS surgery on June 9 to remove these invisible cancer spots. In the past I would have accepted this without question, but after covid, I can't help but wonder if the doctor is following a protocol which may not make any sense. On the other hand, if I ignore it and it gets bigger, maybe even visible, I will have bigger scars when it is removed.
Anne: ask friends for a holistic dermatologist and get a second opinion from that doc! That's my best advice - I pray you get just what you need to calm your fear and help you to think CLEARLY. PRAY without ceasing also - that's my REALLY best advice!
For now, I believe Ann should get a second opinion from a dermatologist that is recommended to her by a friend or family member that she trusts. There ARE directories online that she can check for "holistic MD's" and "naturopathic physicians"...I've done that myself and they're very comprehensive.
Robin Openshaw has an article about black goo which her grandmother used to use and that she has successfully used on skin cancers. She has a substack.
Just checked 'black salve'--find that we MUST NOT use it on skin ---it's corrosive (and doctor med treatments are not damaging?) especially, we must not use it for skin cancers. Sounds to me like the FDA admitting that it works effectively for that purpose. And to my delight--the main ingredient is bloodroot---two plants of which I set out in my garden a year ago.
Sounds like ‘bloodroot’. I used this on a very old big beloved dog who developed a lot of ugly tags/warts. Vet didn’t really recommend surgery given his advanced age, but drew up a plan and it would have cost $1,400.
I did research, found bloodroot (Native American remedy) and it worked wonders. Restored him to his handsome self for the last couple of years. He so enjoyed all the ladies stopping to say how ‘beautiful’ he was! Indiana Jones was a one of a kind canine.
That’s a tough choice. My husband had a small spot on his nose. It was biopsied and came back as basal cell. The dermatologist told him he needed Mohs surgery. Of course, she used the C word which scared him into doing it. By the time of the surgery, you couldn’t even see where it had been. There was no way I could talk him out of going through with it because he was frightened by the “cancer” diagnosis. The Mohs surgery took all day and I was appalled at how they butchered his nose. He looked disfigured. I’ve since read that some dermatologists don’t do Mohs unless it comes back.
Mother's dermatologist removed basal cell first and then after reoccurrence sent her for Moh's. This dermatologist works for an independent practice. The hospital-affiliated practices seem much more eager to pu$h $surgical procedure$$$$.
My mom had a spot on her cheek when she was in her late 80s, and it just wouldn't totally heal and go away, and then it sometimes bled a bit too. Her doctor at Kaiser just brushed it off as a big nothing. Finally my sister and I accompanied her to a doctor visit and demanded they more seriously check it out. Turned out it was cancer, and she got the Mohs surgery from a doctor who was actually quite wonderful. We sat in the room with her while he did the surgery, and we watched it. By 6 to 8 months later you couldn't tell she had had the surgery, there was no scar at all.
During a MOHS procedure the surgeon removes thin layers of skin one layer at a time, and examines each layer under a microscope to determine if any cancer remains. This procedure continues until only cancer-free tissue remains.
Good your M.D. was meticulous and found the spots. I wish you well !
Well, first of all, you can reschedule the surgery. The spots aren’t going to grow that fast, most likely.
That gives you time to read, research, and get a second or third opinion.
You say it is currently invisible? I would definitely do some research and see if you can find out how many of these invisible spots eventually become visible. And over what period of time? How do they KNOW that these invisible spots don’t come and go all the time?
I’m not saying they do or don’t. I have no idea. But after the last three years, I would press the pause button to ask some questions.
Check out Thomas Seyfried’s work with ketogenic diets and cancer. And Tucker Goodrich’s work discussing vegetable oils and cancer, specifically skin cancer. Maybe with diet you can change this. And by all means please don’t use chemical sunscreens. 🙏🏻
I think I will reschedule. How do they know what to cut if it can't be seen??? Maybe I'm stupid, but it doesn't make sense to me. When I had endometrial cancer 15 years ago I was told I needed chemo, but not radiation. Then, at my last chemo appointment, the oncologist recommended radiation. I prayed and researched and decided against it. The radiation oncologist told me if I did not undergo radiation and the cancer came back, I would die. I took my chances and here I am, doing fine as far as I know. The fact that I had cancer is actually one reason I didn't get the covid jab. I heard early on about incidences of people in remission having a recurrence.
I've had both basal and squamous cell carcinomas removed so many times I've lost count, but the only one that left an ugly scar was the one done with the MOHS procedure, and it took hours. That one was a squamous cell and so tiny I had to really try hard to see it. I wish I had it cut out, or even burned off instead, but the dermatologist swore it was my best option. No, it wasn't. It was their most lucrative option. I will not ever go that route again. Whatever option you choose just know that they check for clean margins always when cutting it out to make sure it's all gone. With MOHS, they take as little as possible until they get clean margins, therefore their claims of it being the better choice. Bologna! On my left forearm and hand I've had 2 squamous and I belive 5 basal removed, all surgically and 1 was MOHS. The MOHS is the only one that left a scar. That's just my hand and forearm. Also, most dermatologist have a reconstructive surgeon that works with them. I highly recommend you go that route as the dermatologist is only going to cut it to remove it. A good one will use a cosmetic surgeon to close up, at least.
Interesting. My ex had MOHS done on his face but no clean margins. He is now undergoing chemo for the “skin cancer”. SMH. Of course he is well jabbed… 🙄
I had a spot on my nose that would heal and then come back. Delt with it for a couple of years. Last yr showed my dermatologist and she just froze it. It hasn't come back.
All of our specialists (that we’ve had for 25+ years) have retired in these last 3 years. I was also forced to find a new PCP (after 20+ years) and after what I experienced during the summer of Covid 2020...I have very little faith in the medical system...in fact, I’m quite skeptical and leery all together. Hospitals (once a place of healing and care) are now places to be feared and avoided. It’s sad that this our medical system in America! Don’t even get me started on the education system, the financial system, the legal system, etc...I could write a book lol!
Indeed. I get these life-screening adverts in the mail (you’ve seen them) that peddle the idea that getting yourself screened before you have any symptoms will put you ahead of the game in diagnosing and applying remedies beforehand. Well, catching cancer early on is definitely a big plus. But, according to my doc who insisted I never fall for it over 10 years ago, you might get false-positive readings that may take you down an emotional rabbit-hole, not to mention a costly one. May we be blessed with discernment.
I read on the Cochrane site years ago that cancer cells come come and go in our bodies with some regularity. Linus Pauling cured advanced cancers with vitamin C. The Banerji's in India cure cancer with ayurvedic therapies. Electromagnetic radiation can exacerbate cancer.
Agree. Also, cancer is a metabolic disease that is actually often cured with diet and lifestyle changes, though it needs to be caught early. Beyond that in our cancer journey(that we are still on) has uncovered the subjective nature of 'pathology' and how inaccurate they are. Even with a 50% inaccuracy (our doctor has admitted this to us several times), these tests are what often drives the flowchart of what 'care' you are offered. I personally know people who have had life altering surgery to later find out that the 'mass' was benign! Be very wary of the 'Standard of Care' and do your research.
A young man who is a friend of my son in law had his health destroyed when they took out his entire thyroid because there was a ‘spot’ on it. Which was benign. 😡
It's worse than that. Many cancers / tumors are killed by the body before they ever get to be a problem. This is especially true with lumps in the breast.
Excellent point! Also, attitude and outlook are important to our quality of life. Can you imagine knowing you have a non-aggressive cancer that could potentially turn cancerous? I'd feel as if I were a ticking time-bomb which would put my mind and body in a continual state of anxiety and stress--that couldn't be good for any ailment.
The current medical paradigm is bankrupt and just plain wrong. It's based on cut, burn and poison. If treating a non-aggressive cancer, the treatment will destroy your life where the cancer never would. The current medical paradigm is as wrong as the communism in our government. Both will kill you. Politicians and doctors are all (with exceptions) in it only for the money...at the expense of the public.
A real health care paradigm will build up and maintain your health and treat any problem allowing the body to heal. The only reason we are all not dead right now is because of the tremendous resiliency God has designed into us. Likewise, true government would be based on individual liberty and self-responsibility, all based on absolute moral law.
AI will be a terror or a benefit to humanity depending on which of the above systems rule society. The problem is not AI. The problem is man's righteousness or lack thereof. If our society continues to go down the path of rejecting God and His law, then our only defense will be to go the "Amish" route. Literally, head for the hills.
The problem with catching cancer before symptoms is that not all cancer will kill you. Many cancers are very slow growing cancers that people will die with and not from. This has a huge effect on quality of life. If you are aggressively treating a non aggressive cancer your quality of life will suffer. Modern medicine is great....except when it’s not.
My family member was just killed by surgery to remove a tumor that the doctors *believed* would become malignant. The narrative is that he died “due to complications from surgery.” No, the doctors and hospital killed him.
Dee - I am so very sorry for your loss.
My journey of extreme skepticism of the medical monopoly, & bureaucracy etc began in 1986. A team of supposedly well-respected nephrologists wanted “exploratory surgery” for my mom who was 66 at the time. She had a blocked kidney & thankfully I had the presence of mind to stand firm for less invasive procedures (a stent in the “kinked” ureter did the trick.) I was blessed to have her for another 30 years to age 96. Also, I had at the time a very knowledgeable & brilliant Applied Kinesiologist who had some very astute interventions that I should inquire of the surgeons before they did what they do. (I was so naive - his statement that surgeon’s are “knife happy” was an eye-opener). I am thankful for surgeon’s who do perform amazing, “necessary” life-saving surgery. It is the corporatist hospital system that is so destructive because it IS big business. And, of course, Bigg Harmass has contributed to our health systems’ demise.
And don’t be fooled by “nonprofit” hospitals either. Hospitals are where people go to die.
and I don't believe there is such a thing as a non-profit hospital
Not for profit hospitals get huge deals from the government if they agree to do some gratis work in the community they are located. Their books show that money coming in is used for payroll, improvements, and additions. A little extra book work for big benefits.
Hospice is often a sanitized comforting form of euthanizing via water and food deprivation and pain killing administration. Why NOT just legalize it and end the pretend means to the same end? I'm not saying it's evil nor that we just give a family member a prescription to administer it; just a cautionary commentary and a rhetorical question. It's something most all of us must confront and proceed through. Perhaps in the whole of humanity's history we are at the very BEST place for this? I wrestle some however. I don't have THE answer but don't suggest that really anyone does i just recoiled some with the pat answers and conversations from the hospice center employee(s). But i wouldn't desire that occupation as a full time long term career either.
It may seem to be just that but when a person is dying they don’t need to eat. Even when a person dies at home they aren’t interested in food. My mom died in hospice. A couple of weeks before she went to hospice she had no interest in food. In hospice, fluids were provided intravenously along with pain meds and undoubtedly sedatives to ease the anxiety. My BIL died at home using hospice and without the pain meds it would have been horrible to deal with for my SIL. My uncle is at home now with hospice and while he’s still able to eat he has no appetite. He’s been supplied with pain meds when he needs them but is not looking forward to “needing” them. While we all will suffer to a lesser or greater degree, it seems only humane to ease the pain and passage of our loved ones. I’m thankful I didn’t have to see my mom writhing in pain.
Interesting, because my SIL told my MIL on the way to Hospice that this was it, there was no coming out again. My MIL was super thin, but her main problem was from a stroke she had years before and she could not really speak coherently. It took her two weeks to die and they said she was not allowed food or drink, although they did swipe a moist sponge on a stick through her mouth once in a while. My hubby and sisters sat there and sang and held her hand and thought it was all fine. I had to leave, I could not witness the long slow (and what must have been angonizing internally) death march. I feel to this day it was planned and sanctioned societal murder. Horrifying.
Oh dear. That’s not a pleasant thought. I know of people who have come home from hospice so it doesn’t have to be the end. It might have to do with the state or country’s laws regarding hospice care. One of my friends was in hospice with what she thought was a life-threatening illness - it was not cancer. On Christmas Eve one year, she was not happy with what they were doing for her and/or giving her. She was told before she went to hospice, they would be able to give her some meds she could not get anywhere else. So, she checked herself out and went to an ER. There was some grumbling from the hospital. Once you’re in hospice, technically, you are signed off of other insurance plans. In any case, an alert ER physician heard her conversation with the admitting nurse, agreed to treat her and she is still living today.
I had an aunt who had similar symptoms to your MIL- 3 little strokes in a row which left her handicapped with a speech impediment. She died at home, thankfully. But the scene you describe is something I would not have wanted to witness either. If she was still able to eat, then I agree that it was more like euthanasia.
In a discussion on Catholic radio sometime ago, it was said that after ‘entering hospice’, if the patient or their family insisted on stopping the process, they would not be accepted by Hospice again.
I’m glad we’re talking about this. I want to know more.
I think if I had anyone in my family that was nearing hospice treatment, I’d be doing some research. There must be policies written in the law on a state by state basis. I can’t remember if denying hospice in the future once you sign out was an issue for my friend here in Florida. It seems to me that even in the dying process one would have some bodily autonomy. We have Living Wills that dictate what treatment we will accept or not accept. Then again, it may depend upon what sort of treatment hospice will afford you. Will it be caring for the dying in a humane and pain free way or for someone like my friend who needs certain treatment not given in any other institution. (That always seemed a bit odd to me.) And, I don’t think I’ve heard about food trollies rolling down the halIs either. I believe hospice in Florida is paid for by Medicare. I never received a bill. Hmm. Here is me wearing my conspiracy shoes. Maybe hospice is refused payment by the state if the patient doesn’t die there.
When the patient stops being able to swallow, they do not force food or fluid orally. If a Hospice patient begins to improve, they are discharged from the Hospice program because there are a limited number of days allowed by Medicare. They are able to restart the program if the patient needs it later.
Your experience sounds like mine. I get not forcing food. I do not like the totally doped up state I saw. Basically the hospital staff didn’t have to do anything other than administer the morphine regularly. The catheter bag never came close to filling up and thus needing attention during the several days I was there. My brother was never moved.
Dying is a pretty important process of transitioning. I want awareness and I am willing to endure some pain as a trade off.
Amen, it's an internal struggle of my own coming to terms with the entirety of the process and the systems we've instituted along with it; watching a loved one decline and suffer and being unable to help is a difficult reality.
So right. I just read an account of a British caregiver who was distraught over how the elderly she was caring for were given an inordinate amount of midozolam (sedative) which in some opinions actually slows the heart rate. This was during the scamdemic making it even more egregious. IDK, if anything will ever be resolved in that situation. However, If we have loved ones enduring these endings, I think it incumbent on us to be vigilant. Not to mention taking care to set plans in place for ourselves.
WP William - have you ever helped a loved one die at home?
i'm not applying anything universally; assisting in the dying/exiting process is noble especially when immediate and loving family is involved. Yes it's not a pretty or peaceful process esp with pain and suffering and the nonstop attention and care required
The hospital sent my father home. He could not be helped as his organs were failing. The standard procedure is sedation with morphine at a level not quite high enough to kill. He had that “morphine mask” - eyes and mouth wide open and the fear he was experiencing was palpable. He was with us for two days in that state. When he died, and this is going to sound strange, on the following day he spoke to me as I was just about to leave for his wake. Here is what he said... “Please stay with me just for a little while. I am confused and alone. You can’t sleep here. Just stay with me.“ From this I surmised that when we die in a drug induced state it disturbs the breaking away process. It makes it harder for the soul to leave the physical body and understand what has happened. I got the sense he wasn’t sure if he was actually dead or still experiencing the strange effects of the suspended space the drugs had created. Later, through a series of visions/visits I had with him I know that he found his way.
thank you for this, it's very important that we connect on this issue and not succumb to disposable persons who are helpless and failing and deem their dignity and value to be less than human. Death comes for all, gay straight, rich, poor, Nationalist, Anti-Nationalist, Ukrainian or Russian, embryo or 100 year old, Hindu or Muslim. Grateful for your closure and shalom granted to your soul
‘I experienced this with an estranged, troubled destitute brother who had sustained a suspicious (to me) head wound. I arrived at the hospital to find him totally unresponsive due to morphine that was given anytime he made a move or sound. No water or food. He lived several days beyond the projected time of death. It killed me to see him this way.
But apparently there are different levels of hospice, due to one’s means I suppose. A fairly well off Priest that I know was declared to have gone into hospice care about 4 months ago and is yet alive. Obviously he receives nutrition and water. And people have visited him and he was fairly lucid.
The whole process is very disturbing to me. Particularly that it seems to be different for different classes of people.
some "patients" in this situation seem to cry out for their end while others seem to cry out to not want to be terminated in this fashion; it's not our realm of expertise so we tend to relinquish oversight and control to those who express kindness sympathy and the professional answers that dismiss our fears and questions and disarm our objections
My Grandma said that about hospitals!
Thank you, San. I am so angry. He was a fit 73 year old man who was very proactive about his health because he’s the sole caregiver for his disabled wife. I don’t know what will happen to her now because she’s incapable of living on her own. I’m 1,000 miles away so there’s not much I can do, especially since I refuse to fly with vaxxed pilots.
Good to hear you saved your mom from surgery trauma. My sister is a (now retired) nurse. She told me decades ago, “Don’t go to a surgeon unless you want surgery.”
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San, you write: "thankfully I had the presence of mind to stand firm for less invasive procedures". Unfortunately the way the system works now, unless you have an advocate in your corner who can stand up to the doctors you are done. I am thankful that two years ago my wife was able to argue in my favor when I was in hospital for an operation.
Peter - you are sooo right- I became her advocate for 27 years. Thankful for anyone who is an advocate for better healthcare for their family or friends. Lord knows - they are so crucial nowadays
Thank you, mzlizzi
I'm so sorry. Whatever happened to their mantra first do no harm?
'do no harm to their bank account'
They took the Hippocritic Oath😂
That went out the window a while ago. All about the money and following orders.
They left out the “no.”
My 1st thought about D’Souza whose no problem disfiguring children for a false narrative built around a mental illness of gender dysphoria. With the right support with this disorder, we can keep these kids healthy and prevent suicidal ideation.
Great idea Chelie but follow the money. That's the mantra.
Later Jay
Depends on one’s definition of “harm.”
To them, everything has risks and benefits. They alleged that the risks were small and the benefit of not having a potentially cancerous tumor was immense. To them, this death is sad and unfortunate, but a very unfortunate risk that one must be willing to accept while hoping for a good outcome.
That's awful. My thoughts and prayers 🙏 to you and your family. ❤️
My daughter agreed to exploratory surgery after years of constant kidney issues. The urologist( who was there also) offered to take out an atrophied kidney ( that was still functioning) and “ clean up” her other kidney. These people are monsters. And whatever happened to DO NO HARM.
Horrid. So sorry Dee.
I am so sorry! Medical malpractice (which comes in MANY forms) seems to be the #1 cause of death in our country. So very sad.
modern med unfortunately is all about overtreating everything. A cold does not need a doctor, if you are desperate enough and still go, the cold that heals in a week will take a month or more to heal, and you will end up bedridden on antibiotics. Had a friend suffer it out like that.
Antibiotics! So, back when I was a youngster, under the age of 5, I suffered from recurring tonsillitis. I’m sure I received lots of penicillin but the ear and throat infections were endless. Finally, our family doctor suggested I have a tonsillectomy. Tonsils and maybe adenoids were removed. Since that time I have never had a serious sore throat or ear infection. The doctor did not up my prescriptions or suggest tubes in my ears. He just yanked out the whole shebang. I am almost 73 years old and have been mostly healthy since 1956 when I had what used to be a common childhood surgery. It seems that now days doctors very seldom recommend tonsillectomies. Could it be that they are relying heavily on antibiotics? Anyone have any thoughts on this? Am I crazy?
My daughter had recurrent tonsillitis and strep throat. We think sleep apnea too. We had her tonsils and adenoids taken out a few months ago. I hope we did the right thing. Your story gives me hope! Ps Kids still get their tonsils taken out regularly.
I would be interested to know how your daughter's health changes, for better or worse. I remember vividly being very ill with almost chronic sore throats. I never attended kindergarten because I was always so sick. Since the tonsillectomy I have been pretty darned healthy. I had all the childhood illnesses (measles, mumps, chicken pox) and I've had colds and the flu a couple of times but no more tonsillitis or ear infections. I hope your daughter has the same results.
I really hope so, too. Kids do still get tonsils out but not like when I was a kid. The doctor advised my mom to have my tonsils out and, while he was at it, he also yanked out my little sister’s tonsils. 2 for the price of one!
I think in the US they still remove the tonsils. I was in Belgium, had the tonsils peeled but not removed, with the same effect. I read somewhere that tonsils keep allergies at bay. So I am glad I still have mine. 12 years ago I had tonsillitis probably from driving in an overheated car with my mouth open! Only had it once and lasted only a couple days, yes, with antibiotics, because the herbal treatments don't seem to work for that. I also seem to have had quite a few ear infections but was not even 4 when they did the surgery and do not remember. A cousin about 30 had hers removed in Belgium this winter and said it is the worst pain she ever had, and she has undergone several surgeries already, throat is one big open oozing wound. Surgery at adult age is quite dangerous
When I was a kid in the 1950s, getting tonsils removed was almost a fad, as I look back at it. It seems like half the kids I knew had them out at some point in the 6 to 12 age range. I always thought it was odd. Thank goodness I never succumbed to that!
That sounds horrible. Glad I had it done while I still healed quickly. I have had very few allergies. Mostly poison ivy and various insects and mites (like chiggers!)
glad you excaped the allergies. I get lots of insect bites, mostly mosquitoes and horseflies, and some smaller insects, spiders and ants. Friends think I eat too much sugar LOL that I must smell sweet. Chiggers and fleas do not bite me, and so far so good with the poison ivy. Yes we were lucky we have barely a memory of the whole surgery. In fact all I remember is they gave me lots of ice cream!
That’s so funny! That’s what I remember most, too (and applesauce).
Cancer comes and goes....if they see it during a test, you're down for major medical intervention. Eating a diet rich in sugar will cause cancer to show up in tests especially if sugar is eaten night before, but if you fast and starve the sugar, the cancer likely won't be picked up! It's diet people!
I’m 80. I learned some years ago to only buy what’s sold around the outside walls of the super market. Do not shop up and down the aisles. That is where the poison is sold. Otherwise known as processed foods.
And buy what is around the walls as well. Most fruits and vegetables, cheeses, yogurt, etc., are around the walls.
Unfortunately now bill gates is also poisoning the organic fruit w “a peel”
I agree with you 100%. Plus all the processed foods. I stopped eating all desserts last year & honestly this is the best I ever felt!
Yes! I used to use a lot of sugar in my coffee, cut it by 3/4 and I'm am abslutely shocked at how I feel. Soon I'll be down to zero sugar!
I really need to make this a goal for myself. My husband gave up sugar in his coffee a few Lents ago and he says he doesn't miss it at all.
The first day was weird. I absolutely love my coffee but by cutting the sugar I didn't even crave the second cup. By the time I cut the sugar down to a 1/4 of my normal, I started to love my second and third cup again. The first 3 days was the worst and now I can't imagine what it would taste like if I went back to my old sugar amount. I'd probably gag...LOL
Way to go!!! I cut sugar out of my coffee years ago. You won’t miss it I promise! Keep up the great work as you’ll only start to feel more better!
Quick! I need a dermatologist who doesn't blindly follow the protocols. I went to a local doc because of a suspicious spot on my cheek. I was told it was not cancer, then the doctor looked at my face using what appeared to be a simple flashlight, and found two spots on my nose. They were biopsied and said to be squamous cell cancer. I am supposed to have MOHS surgery on June 9 to remove these invisible cancer spots. In the past I would have accepted this without question, but after covid, I can't help but wonder if the doctor is following a protocol which may not make any sense. On the other hand, if I ignore it and it gets bigger, maybe even visible, I will have bigger scars when it is removed.
Anne: ask friends for a holistic dermatologist and get a second opinion from that doc! That's my best advice - I pray you get just what you need to calm your fear and help you to think CLEARLY. PRAY without ceasing also - that's my REALLY best advice!
Thank you! I am a follower of Christ, so I am praying. Your response might be one of the answers to my prayer.
Do keep us all posted on your journey through this "valley" experience, Anne---we're all "family" here at C & C Army!!
We need more Holistic doctors. If people know of them, they need to share that information with others. Many would even travel a distance to see them.
For now, I believe Ann should get a second opinion from a dermatologist that is recommended to her by a friend or family member that she trusts. There ARE directories online that she can check for "holistic MD's" and "naturopathic physicians"...I've done that myself and they're very comprehensive.
Robin Openshaw has an article about black goo which her grandmother used to use and that she has successfully used on skin cancers. She has a substack.
Just checked 'black salve'--find that we MUST NOT use it on skin ---it's corrosive (and doctor med treatments are not damaging?) especially, we must not use it for skin cancers. Sounds to me like the FDA admitting that it works effectively for that purpose. And to my delight--the main ingredient is bloodroot---two plants of which I set out in my garden a year ago.
Sounds like ‘bloodroot’. I used this on a very old big beloved dog who developed a lot of ugly tags/warts. Vet didn’t really recommend surgery given his advanced age, but drew up a plan and it would have cost $1,400.
I did research, found bloodroot (Native American remedy) and it worked wonders. Restored him to his handsome self for the last couple of years. He so enjoyed all the ladies stopping to say how ‘beautiful’ he was! Indiana Jones was a one of a kind canine.
yes--her 'black salve'--though I think she didn't state what it was composed of (I was looking for that info)
She did not state what it was, but there is a link to purchase it.
That’s a tough choice. My husband had a small spot on his nose. It was biopsied and came back as basal cell. The dermatologist told him he needed Mohs surgery. Of course, she used the C word which scared him into doing it. By the time of the surgery, you couldn’t even see where it had been. There was no way I could talk him out of going through with it because he was frightened by the “cancer” diagnosis. The Mohs surgery took all day and I was appalled at how they butchered his nose. He looked disfigured. I’ve since read that some dermatologists don’t do Mohs unless it comes back.
Mother's dermatologist removed basal cell first and then after reoccurrence sent her for Moh's. This dermatologist works for an independent practice. The hospital-affiliated practices seem much more eager to pu$h $surgical procedure$$$$.
Yup, this was a Mayo Clinic dermatologist.
Yep. Ran into the same thing with the eye Dr. When we switched to the independent practice the eye $urgery does not seem so urgent.
My mom had a spot on her cheek when she was in her late 80s, and it just wouldn't totally heal and go away, and then it sometimes bled a bit too. Her doctor at Kaiser just brushed it off as a big nothing. Finally my sister and I accompanied her to a doctor visit and demanded they more seriously check it out. Turned out it was cancer, and she got the Mohs surgery from a doctor who was actually quite wonderful. We sat in the room with her while he did the surgery, and we watched it. By 6 to 8 months later you couldn't tell she had had the surgery, there was no scar at all.
During a MOHS procedure the surgeon removes thin layers of skin one layer at a time, and examines each layer under a microscope to determine if any cancer remains. This procedure continues until only cancer-free tissue remains.
Good your M.D. was meticulous and found the spots. I wish you well !
Well, first of all, you can reschedule the surgery. The spots aren’t going to grow that fast, most likely.
That gives you time to read, research, and get a second or third opinion.
You say it is currently invisible? I would definitely do some research and see if you can find out how many of these invisible spots eventually become visible. And over what period of time? How do they KNOW that these invisible spots don’t come and go all the time?
I’m not saying they do or don’t. I have no idea. But after the last three years, I would press the pause button to ask some questions.
Check out Thomas Seyfried’s work with ketogenic diets and cancer. And Tucker Goodrich’s work discussing vegetable oils and cancer, specifically skin cancer. Maybe with diet you can change this. And by all means please don’t use chemical sunscreens. 🙏🏻
I think I will reschedule. How do they know what to cut if it can't be seen??? Maybe I'm stupid, but it doesn't make sense to me. When I had endometrial cancer 15 years ago I was told I needed chemo, but not radiation. Then, at my last chemo appointment, the oncologist recommended radiation. I prayed and researched and decided against it. The radiation oncologist told me if I did not undergo radiation and the cancer came back, I would die. I took my chances and here I am, doing fine as far as I know. The fact that I had cancer is actually one reason I didn't get the covid jab. I heard early on about incidences of people in remission having a recurrence.
I've had both basal and squamous cell carcinomas removed so many times I've lost count, but the only one that left an ugly scar was the one done with the MOHS procedure, and it took hours. That one was a squamous cell and so tiny I had to really try hard to see it. I wish I had it cut out, or even burned off instead, but the dermatologist swore it was my best option. No, it wasn't. It was their most lucrative option. I will not ever go that route again. Whatever option you choose just know that they check for clean margins always when cutting it out to make sure it's all gone. With MOHS, they take as little as possible until they get clean margins, therefore their claims of it being the better choice. Bologna! On my left forearm and hand I've had 2 squamous and I belive 5 basal removed, all surgically and 1 was MOHS. The MOHS is the only one that left a scar. That's just my hand and forearm. Also, most dermatologist have a reconstructive surgeon that works with them. I highly recommend you go that route as the dermatologist is only going to cut it to remove it. A good one will use a cosmetic surgeon to close up, at least.
Interesting. My ex had MOHS done on his face but no clean margins. He is now undergoing chemo for the “skin cancer”. SMH. Of course he is well jabbed… 🙄
I'm so sorry to hear that. I will pray for his complete healing from both the cancer and the jabs.
Look into bloodroot tinctures or salves. You have to do your own research, but you can find them on Etsy.
Look into vitamin c and frankincense oil
I had a spot on my nose that would heal and then come back. Delt with it for a couple of years. Last yr showed my dermatologist and she just froze it. It hasn't come back.
Maybe AI is the reason tptb didn't care how many medical staff die from the shots. They are replaceable to them. Useful idiots.
I think you are absolutely right! We would be obsolete if the evil ones succeed. They won’t.
All of our specialists (that we’ve had for 25+ years) have retired in these last 3 years. I was also forced to find a new PCP (after 20+ years) and after what I experienced during the summer of Covid 2020...I have very little faith in the medical system...in fact, I’m quite skeptical and leery all together. Hospitals (once a place of healing and care) are now places to be feared and avoided. It’s sad that this our medical system in America! Don’t even get me started on the education system, the financial system, the legal system, etc...I could write a book lol!
Agree. Rare.
Indeed. I get these life-screening adverts in the mail (you’ve seen them) that peddle the idea that getting yourself screened before you have any symptoms will put you ahead of the game in diagnosing and applying remedies beforehand. Well, catching cancer early on is definitely a big plus. But, according to my doc who insisted I never fall for it over 10 years ago, you might get false-positive readings that may take you down an emotional rabbit-hole, not to mention a costly one. May we be blessed with discernment.
Oh yeah, that Lifeline traveling circus crap. So many people that I know fall for it! It’s a money-making bunch of hooey.
I walked away from the medical establishment with supposedly "manageable but incurable" cancer. And I'm just fine. Hmmmm....
Like all the lovely people walking around who survived recommendations that they be aborted. My wonderful 22 year old grandson is one of them.
Excessive PCR cycles yield positive, get ur dadgum jabs NOW!! No, thanks to all those pre symptomatic tests.
I read on the Cochrane site years ago that cancer cells come come and go in our bodies with some regularity. Linus Pauling cured advanced cancers with vitamin C. The Banerji's in India cure cancer with ayurvedic therapies. Electromagnetic radiation can exacerbate cancer.
MRI'S primarily utilize ionizing radiation and, are therefore, cancer-causing/accelerating.
MRIs do not use ionizing radiation. You may be thinking of CT scans.
https://www.nibib.nih.gov/science-education/science-topics/magnetic-resonance-imaging-mri
Just part of the plan to cull the population
There's a plan to murder 95% of the global population.
Start taking some redpills and doing your own homework by searching the following in duckduckgo.com or presearch.com:
catching cancer early means you are a bigger money maker for big pharma. they can get you on cancer drugs that kill you earlier.
Agree. Also, cancer is a metabolic disease that is actually often cured with diet and lifestyle changes, though it needs to be caught early. Beyond that in our cancer journey(that we are still on) has uncovered the subjective nature of 'pathology' and how inaccurate they are. Even with a 50% inaccuracy (our doctor has admitted this to us several times), these tests are what often drives the flowchart of what 'care' you are offered. I personally know people who have had life altering surgery to later find out that the 'mass' was benign! Be very wary of the 'Standard of Care' and do your research.
A young man who is a friend of my son in law had his health destroyed when they took out his entire thyroid because there was a ‘spot’ on it. Which was benign. 😡
That is ridiculous, of course. I am sorry for him! The more we experience, and are exposed to the field of medicine, the more sorcery we see. :(
It's worse than that. Many cancers / tumors are killed by the body before they ever get to be a problem. This is especially true with lumps in the breast.
Excellent point! Also, attitude and outlook are important to our quality of life. Can you imagine knowing you have a non-aggressive cancer that could potentially turn cancerous? I'd feel as if I were a ticking time-bomb which would put my mind and body in a continual state of anxiety and stress--that couldn't be good for any ailment.
The current medical paradigm is bankrupt and just plain wrong. It's based on cut, burn and poison. If treating a non-aggressive cancer, the treatment will destroy your life where the cancer never would. The current medical paradigm is as wrong as the communism in our government. Both will kill you. Politicians and doctors are all (with exceptions) in it only for the money...at the expense of the public.
A real health care paradigm will build up and maintain your health and treat any problem allowing the body to heal. The only reason we are all not dead right now is because of the tremendous resiliency God has designed into us. Likewise, true government would be based on individual liberty and self-responsibility, all based on absolute moral law.
AI will be a terror or a benefit to humanity depending on which of the above systems rule society. The problem is not AI. The problem is man's righteousness or lack thereof. If our society continues to go down the path of rejecting God and His law, then our only defense will be to go the "Amish" route. Literally, head for the hills.