Way back when “guardasil” first arrived, doc tried to get me to give ok to give to my daughter. I read the brochure & said no. Later in the week, a nurse from our state dept of health called me. “Why not?” she asked. I stated it was only tried on 12 girls! She admitted she wasn’t giving it to her girls either. About a decade later, when …
Way back when “guardasil” first arrived, doc tried to get me to give ok to give to my daughter. I read the brochure & said no. Later in the week, a nurse from our state dept of health called me. “Why not?” she asked. I stated it was only tried on 12 girls! She admitted she wasn’t giving it to her girls either. About a decade later, when my daughter was going to doc by herself, they tried again. She asked, if it’s only for ages 14-24, what happens if someone older takes it? The doc was stunned and let it drop. Our kids learn, even when we don’t realize it. Also, from their current commercial, I see they give it to both boys & girls, regardless of age.🤦♀️
This makes me so mad I’m in tears. I’m sick. My son was talked into HPV vax when he went into the Dr unaccompanied by me. At 13-14. Thanks to Oregon law that said I was no longer needed and my kids could make their own medical decisions. 🤮 I would have NEVER let him do it. I was livid. Still am. I’m sick for Colton and his family.
So, at 13-14, the kid can’t purchase alcohol, can’t drive, can’t serve in the military, can’t work a job, and the parents are held accountable if the kid doesn’t attend school. BUT, the kid CAN make life altering medical decisions based on doctor recommendations supported by undisclosed, inaccurate and incomplete information. 😳🤔
The kid probably thinks they are being treated like an adult being able to make their own medical decisions, but they are being treated like a baby by someone in authority saying, “Here take this it’s good for you.”
Perhaps kids should be taught that adults are seldom “given all the information,” but must seek out full details, ask questions, to be able to make informed decisions. If someone is “letting” the kid be an adult while handing the kid an already made decision, then the kid isn’t acting as an adult.
I was horrified to learn recently, that my now 32 year old daughter was enticed into receiving the Gardasil shot when in school, with me not knowing anything about it!
Some friends of mine told me their kids on high school teams were forced into it! They had a terrible reaction to the first shot & refused the remaining two. Sad.
A few select quotes from the medical community gleaned from that Reddit thread follow ..."I lean into this is the first vaccine that can porevent cancer" ... "vaccine paranoia" ... "I think [parents] see it as sexualizing children" ...
It is interesting but not surprising to learn that anyone who objects to The Allopathic Life (t.m.reg.) is sneered at and described as a fool.
It was considered by many to be the most dangerous shot until the Covid genetic injection came along. In Australia, the drug companies do not have immunity. I remember hearing RFK say that a lawyer could make a great living in Australia just by taking Gaurdisil cases, because the injuries were so devastating and easy to prove. The sad thing is that less women and girls are getting Pap smears, which easily detect any abnormal cells on the cervix. And of course, the shots interfere with the immune system comment making any kind of cancer more likely.
If a girl waits until marriage to have sex and her husband waited too, neither is at risk of any sexually transmitted disease, no pap smears or gardasil needed.
People these days seem to think having sex is an uncontrollable urge. It’s not. “My body my choice” begins before sexual intimacy occurs.
I hear you, but that’s not the way the world is these days. According to my younger friends, people don’t even really date anymore. Just casual hook ups. Not saying this is right, but the human sex drive has been a problem for thousands of years. I applaud anyone who has those principles and sticks by them.
There is nothing wrong with the human sex drive. Every period in history has its flaws, and these days there is a serious problem in our culture with responsibility. If you suggest to someone that it might be healthier to eat real food instead of a hotdog, cheetos, and a coke for lunch, you’re “fat shaming”. If a teacher refuses to inflate grades for “students of color” they’re racist. If you remind a teenager that having sex can lead to having a baby or getting a disease, you’re called a prude.
In all times in history, making good decisions leads to good outcomes. Sorry if that offends you.
I was born in 63. People haven’t changed, culture has. But the fact still remains that sex is not an uncontrollable urge. It’s a choice. But people act like “Oops, I didn’t mean to have sex, it just happened and now I have this baby/disease/feeling of emptiness.” Actions have consequences, and that wasn’t just true in the 50s.
I think it's a better bet, given the level of sex shaming and suppression of knowledge. to raise your children to be responsible and loving and to understand the consequences of sex, with and without birth control.
and to understand the financial consequences, and the life path consequences of unprotected sex. and even better, save it til you are in a committed relationship with someone you TRUST.
wishing and hoping for a day when kids dont have sex seems to me like the silliest of the options.
“Suppression of knowledge” is a myth. Young people aren’t having sex outside of marriage because the adults in their lives didn’t educate them, but because the adults are saying “it’s fine - do what you want”.
If those adults would actually give them knowledge, along with wise counsel about how dangerous it is to engage in sex outside of “a committed relationship” - aka marriage, with all the social and legal protections that come with it for the couple and the children that will likely be the result - then young people would get married and then have sex.
I’m not “wishing and hoping for a day when kids don’t have sex”. To me, wishing and hoping for a day when kids can have sex with no undesirable consequences is a whole lot sillier.
Well put Bryn. This notion that, "they are going to do it anyways (not just sex out of marriage but any self-destructive behavior) so let's try and remove all consequences" has been the direct cause of just about every society ill of the past seventy five years. And as we've seen with the trans stuff, there's no end to it as the more things are destigmatized, the more we get. We now have people arguing it's somehow compassionate to help kids cut their genitals off. Slippery slope on steroids.
This is the basic social conservative/social liberal divide that at it's heart is about exercising self control. Those who exercise self control are more successful in life by almost every objective measure; marriage length, physical health, mental health, financial status, legal issues, children's success, etc. This is blindingly obvious to most rational people. Bad decisions destroy people's lives and those of the ones around them.
Bottom line though is that this is a spiritual issue. People who exercise self-control usually do so out of accountability to God. People who behave recklessly, or even worse encourage others to do so, usually believe that they are accountable to no one. This is such an obvious reality that it boggles my mind that people cannot see it.
You misunderstood me. I have no problem with the human sex drive. We wouldn’t exist without it. I personally do not think it is necessary to wait until marriage, but I would counsel A young person to be careful to understand the risks and responsibilities, and try to have an experience with someone that they truly love. With very good birth control. I do respect people whose religious values make them want to wait until marriage. Again, not my personal issue. Just pointing out that expecting everybody to wait is unrealistic.
So what did you mean, then, when you wrote “the human sex drive has been a problem for thousands of years”?
Counseling a young person to “try to have an experience with someone that they truly love” is the problem, because it is full of assumptions and ignores reality. You don’t have to have “religious values” to understand that that “experience” can and often does lead to a baby, and then what? What if that person you “truly love” doesn’t truly love you? Abortion? A marriage that begins with duress? Single motherhood? Adoption, which is lovely for the couple wanting a child, but full of heartache for the foolish girl following your bad advice?
And that’s just the pregnancy possibility, what about the STD that will likely follow you the rest of your life? And no one talks about the very real emptiness young people experience with casual hook-ups.
You don’t have to have “religious values” to look at this with eyes wide open and see that there just is no upside to sex outside of marriage, only risks. Responsibility is not religious. And the adults in the room need to wake up and start talking about this honestly, the whole thing, not just birth control and fantasy love.
Btw, both of my children were conceived while I was using birth control. Good thing I was happily married.
I declined the guardasil for my daughter too way back when. Then a friend of a friend died of papaloma virus throat cancer at 33. You don’t get paps for your throat so I got scared and had her get them. I still regret it. Thank God she was okay and is now 21 weeks pregnant with our first grandbaby. And this child will have no shots ever if I have to homeschool her myself, I will. Luckily we still have exemptions in my state.
My sister had it in her tongue. It has a high survival rate but it sounds like the 33 yo waited until it was too late and it must have metastasized into probably the lymph nodes. Not good.
Yeah, my boys doctor asked me, why, as a woman, I wouldn't want my boys vaxxed to prevent girls from getting cervical cancer. I replied, "They are 12 and not having sex and when they do, they can wrap it up." When I pointed out the issues in Australia, he told me it was all bunk and did a google search to show me nothing showed up.
Interesting that a nurse from the Health Dept called. I never answer these types of intrusive questions regardless of who is asking them. I'll usually reply with "how is that your business?" or something along those lines. My pastor once pointed out how Jesus in the Gospels often answered bad-faith questions with a question. That made a big impression on me.
Every interaction like this has three potential outcomes, I'll come out ahead, stay the same, or come out behind. There is zero chance I'd come out ahead in this instance. I'll likely stay the same, but there is a chance I come out behind if I say something incriminating that this person in authority doesn't like. Why in the world would one choose to participate in a voluntary interaction with those potential consequences?
I was naive and since it was another woman figured she would level with me. And she did! This was around 2010, maybe. But now…would probably take your advice and not get into it!
I hear you, been there myself. Gray hair does have some advantages after all. I have to constantly remind myself of the things I did when I was younger and shake my head. Apologies if it came off as critical, that wasn't my intention.
Japan pulled it from the market due to all the injuries. But not the good ol’USA. We have commercials showing “cab dad” whose job is to keep his family safe.
The argument I heard was because it’s sexually transmitted getting boys the shots would make it less likely they’d transmit 😕 I think it’s a bogus argument but clearly some bought into it.
My friend's teen daughter was separated from her mom for the physical exam at the ob gyn. My friend specifically told the dr and nurse no hpv vax. This child was given the shot anyway and has self reported she has never felt the same way since.
Your friend should sue/report if possible. So sad😢 We parents & grands have to go beyond “stranger danger” to tell kids that even people who seem ok do not always have their best interest at heart. Especially if money is involved! 🥺
Way back when “guardasil” first arrived, doc tried to get me to give ok to give to my daughter. I read the brochure & said no. Later in the week, a nurse from our state dept of health called me. “Why not?” she asked. I stated it was only tried on 12 girls! She admitted she wasn’t giving it to her girls either. About a decade later, when my daughter was going to doc by herself, they tried again. She asked, if it’s only for ages 14-24, what happens if someone older takes it? The doc was stunned and let it drop. Our kids learn, even when we don’t realize it. Also, from their current commercial, I see they give it to both boys & girls, regardless of age.🤦♀️
https://youtu.be/FKBahh3Ut64?si=TGAkwSLvPhNYV-Ow
This is a story from the Vaxxed movie about Gardisil. Colton took his life at 18 because he didn’t want to be a burden to his family.
This makes me so mad I’m in tears. I’m sick. My son was talked into HPV vax when he went into the Dr unaccompanied by me. At 13-14. Thanks to Oregon law that said I was no longer needed and my kids could make their own medical decisions. 🤮 I would have NEVER let him do it. I was livid. Still am. I’m sick for Colton and his family.
So, at 13-14, the kid can’t purchase alcohol, can’t drive, can’t serve in the military, can’t work a job, and the parents are held accountable if the kid doesn’t attend school. BUT, the kid CAN make life altering medical decisions based on doctor recommendations supported by undisclosed, inaccurate and incomplete information. 😳🤔
The kid probably thinks they are being treated like an adult being able to make their own medical decisions, but they are being treated like a baby by someone in authority saying, “Here take this it’s good for you.”
Perhaps kids should be taught that adults are seldom “given all the information,” but must seek out full details, ask questions, to be able to make informed decisions. If someone is “letting” the kid be an adult while handing the kid an already made decision, then the kid isn’t acting as an adult.
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😞😞😞
I was horrified to learn recently, that my now 32 year old daughter was enticed into receiving the Gardasil shot when in school, with me not knowing anything about it!
Some friends of mine told me their kids on high school teams were forced into it! They had a terrible reaction to the first shot & refused the remaining two. Sad.
horrible~!
I googled "what is gardasil" and THIS was the third info line returned:
https://www.reddit.com/r/FamilyMedicine/comments/16titq5/whats_with_the_opposition_to_gardasil_and_how_do/
A few select quotes from the medical community gleaned from that Reddit thread follow ..."I lean into this is the first vaccine that can porevent cancer" ... "vaccine paranoia" ... "I think [parents] see it as sexualizing children" ...
It is interesting but not surprising to learn that anyone who objects to The Allopathic Life (t.m.reg.) is sneered at and described as a fool.
Reddit is so rife with leftism.... they love them some vaxines over there.
And Ukraine is winning!
It was considered by many to be the most dangerous shot until the Covid genetic injection came along. In Australia, the drug companies do not have immunity. I remember hearing RFK say that a lawyer could make a great living in Australia just by taking Gaurdisil cases, because the injuries were so devastating and easy to prove. The sad thing is that less women and girls are getting Pap smears, which easily detect any abnormal cells on the cervix. And of course, the shots interfere with the immune system comment making any kind of cancer more likely.
If a girl waits until marriage to have sex and her husband waited too, neither is at risk of any sexually transmitted disease, no pap smears or gardasil needed.
People these days seem to think having sex is an uncontrollable urge. It’s not. “My body my choice” begins before sexual intimacy occurs.
I hear you, but that’s not the way the world is these days. According to my younger friends, people don’t even really date anymore. Just casual hook ups. Not saying this is right, but the human sex drive has been a problem for thousands of years. I applaud anyone who has those principles and sticks by them.
These days? Yikes. Are we that decrepit now?
There is nothing wrong with the human sex drive. Every period in history has its flaws, and these days there is a serious problem in our culture with responsibility. If you suggest to someone that it might be healthier to eat real food instead of a hotdog, cheetos, and a coke for lunch, you’re “fat shaming”. If a teacher refuses to inflate grades for “students of color” they’re racist. If you remind a teenager that having sex can lead to having a baby or getting a disease, you’re called a prude.
In all times in history, making good decisions leads to good outcomes. Sorry if that offends you.
LOL> the 50s are calling you. Reality check
I was born in 63. People haven’t changed, culture has. But the fact still remains that sex is not an uncontrollable urge. It’s a choice. But people act like “Oops, I didn’t mean to have sex, it just happened and now I have this baby/disease/feeling of emptiness.” Actions have consequences, and that wasn’t just true in the 50s.
I think it's a better bet, given the level of sex shaming and suppression of knowledge. to raise your children to be responsible and loving and to understand the consequences of sex, with and without birth control.
and to understand the financial consequences, and the life path consequences of unprotected sex. and even better, save it til you are in a committed relationship with someone you TRUST.
wishing and hoping for a day when kids dont have sex seems to me like the silliest of the options.
but maybe that's just me.
“Suppression of knowledge” is a myth. Young people aren’t having sex outside of marriage because the adults in their lives didn’t educate them, but because the adults are saying “it’s fine - do what you want”.
If those adults would actually give them knowledge, along with wise counsel about how dangerous it is to engage in sex outside of “a committed relationship” - aka marriage, with all the social and legal protections that come with it for the couple and the children that will likely be the result - then young people would get married and then have sex.
I’m not “wishing and hoping for a day when kids don’t have sex”. To me, wishing and hoping for a day when kids can have sex with no undesirable consequences is a whole lot sillier.
Well put Bryn. This notion that, "they are going to do it anyways (not just sex out of marriage but any self-destructive behavior) so let's try and remove all consequences" has been the direct cause of just about every society ill of the past seventy five years. And as we've seen with the trans stuff, there's no end to it as the more things are destigmatized, the more we get. We now have people arguing it's somehow compassionate to help kids cut their genitals off. Slippery slope on steroids.
This is the basic social conservative/social liberal divide that at it's heart is about exercising self control. Those who exercise self control are more successful in life by almost every objective measure; marriage length, physical health, mental health, financial status, legal issues, children's success, etc. This is blindingly obvious to most rational people. Bad decisions destroy people's lives and those of the ones around them.
Bottom line though is that this is a spiritual issue. People who exercise self-control usually do so out of accountability to God. People who behave recklessly, or even worse encourage others to do so, usually believe that they are accountable to no one. This is such an obvious reality that it boggles my mind that people cannot see it.
Great comment Jeff C!
You misunderstood me. I have no problem with the human sex drive. We wouldn’t exist without it. I personally do not think it is necessary to wait until marriage, but I would counsel A young person to be careful to understand the risks and responsibilities, and try to have an experience with someone that they truly love. With very good birth control. I do respect people whose religious values make them want to wait until marriage. Again, not my personal issue. Just pointing out that expecting everybody to wait is unrealistic.
So what did you mean, then, when you wrote “the human sex drive has been a problem for thousands of years”?
Counseling a young person to “try to have an experience with someone that they truly love” is the problem, because it is full of assumptions and ignores reality. You don’t have to have “religious values” to understand that that “experience” can and often does lead to a baby, and then what? What if that person you “truly love” doesn’t truly love you? Abortion? A marriage that begins with duress? Single motherhood? Adoption, which is lovely for the couple wanting a child, but full of heartache for the foolish girl following your bad advice?
And that’s just the pregnancy possibility, what about the STD that will likely follow you the rest of your life? And no one talks about the very real emptiness young people experience with casual hook-ups.
You don’t have to have “religious values” to look at this with eyes wide open and see that there just is no upside to sex outside of marriage, only risks. Responsibility is not religious. And the adults in the room need to wake up and start talking about this honestly, the whole thing, not just birth control and fantasy love.
Btw, both of my children were conceived while I was using birth control. Good thing I was happily married.
& the commercials for it are on every night
I declined the guardasil for my daughter too way back when. Then a friend of a friend died of papaloma virus throat cancer at 33. You don’t get paps for your throat so I got scared and had her get them. I still regret it. Thank God she was okay and is now 21 weeks pregnant with our first grandbaby. And this child will have no shots ever if I have to homeschool her myself, I will. Luckily we still have exemptions in my state.
My sister had it in her tongue. It has a high survival rate but it sounds like the 33 yo waited until it was too late and it must have metastasized into probably the lymph nodes. Not good.
Yeah, my boys doctor asked me, why, as a woman, I wouldn't want my boys vaxxed to prevent girls from getting cervical cancer. I replied, "They are 12 and not having sex and when they do, they can wrap it up." When I pointed out the issues in Australia, he told me it was all bunk and did a google search to show me nothing showed up.
I love that. Google 'white couples' to see how corrupt that 'search' engine is.
My cousin sells it and refuses to let her daughters take it!
ALSO HORRIBLE>
Interesting that a nurse from the Health Dept called. I never answer these types of intrusive questions regardless of who is asking them. I'll usually reply with "how is that your business?" or something along those lines. My pastor once pointed out how Jesus in the Gospels often answered bad-faith questions with a question. That made a big impression on me.
Every interaction like this has three potential outcomes, I'll come out ahead, stay the same, or come out behind. There is zero chance I'd come out ahead in this instance. I'll likely stay the same, but there is a chance I come out behind if I say something incriminating that this person in authority doesn't like. Why in the world would one choose to participate in a voluntary interaction with those potential consequences?
I was naive and since it was another woman figured she would level with me. And she did! This was around 2010, maybe. But now…would probably take your advice and not get into it!
I hear you, been there myself. Gray hair does have some advantages after all. I have to constantly remind myself of the things I did when I was younger and shake my head. Apologies if it came off as critical, that wasn't my intention.
👌🏼👍🏼
Japan pulled it from the market due to all the injuries. But not the good ol’USA. We have commercials showing “cab dad” whose job is to keep his family safe.
Yes, because “the new boys” are REALLY girls- see how their bs fear porn works?!
The argument I heard was because it’s sexually transmitted getting boys the shots would make it less likely they’d transmit 😕 I think it’s a bogus argument but clearly some bought into it.
My friend's teen daughter was separated from her mom for the physical exam at the ob gyn. My friend specifically told the dr and nurse no hpv vax. This child was given the shot anyway and has self reported she has never felt the same way since.
Your friend should sue/report if possible. So sad😢 We parents & grands have to go beyond “stranger danger” to tell kids that even people who seem ok do not always have their best interest at heart. Especially if money is involved! 🥺