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IMPORTANT UPDATE:

— Shortly after I uploaded today's post, news began breaking that it appears Hamas General Hospital remains standing and is unharmed. Only the parking lot appears to have been damaged. In other words, the whole story could be fake news. I'll get everyone up to speed in tomorrow's post.

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SM's avatar

I think the media has a cumulative mental capacity of a box of packing peanuts. Do they understand the level of buffoonery and ignorance they have shown time after time, day after day, consecutively, and with such dedication to indignation?

When they take a dump, do they wipe their mouths or their arse? Do they know the difference?

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daverkb's avatar

Whatever goes on in Israel is irrelevancy with regard to the existential threats posed by invasive attack at the country's borders and by attack from subversives within the highest centers of the now captured 'government' (bioweapons, food supply, financial system/inflation, DEW weapons, criminal maladmistration, etc.). And the focus it on Israel and Hamas? Really? What about saving ourselves from extinction?

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Oregon Kathy's avatar

You’ll change your mind when Biden starts relocating Palestinians to the US. I’m sure we’re developing quite a terrorist network here.

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daverkb's avatar

The point is to have a border period ... and no further ethnic cleansing by relocation and/or organized mass trafficking across the would be now non-extent United States borders. And the focus, for me, is not on the Zionist god-state, it is restoring order and Constitutional rule to America. It is Americans and American First. It is real jobs, real money, real sanity. It is real criminal prosecutions for things like covert operations attacks like the C19 vaccine attack.

By the way, the Zionist god-state would just love a flood of Palestinians to the US, Europe, Canada, Australia, New Zealand. It would solve their problem and maybe this is the point of this whole circus? Empty out Gaza. We'll see what gets shoved forward.

Once again folks are having their buttons pushed, their attentions misdirected and sucked in once again.

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Kim D's avatar

You are right daverkb.

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Jay Horton's avatar

Jeez! I didn't want to go there but I was wondering when that little nugget was going to show up.

Not my favorite source but here goes:

https://nypost.com/2023/10/14/progressives-call-for-us-to-take-refugees-from-gaza/

Really scary stuff especially living in a "welcoming city"....

Later Jay

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JLock's avatar

No countries in the Middle East want them. But the dumb liberals are eager to bring them to our country. Everything liberals touch turns to shit.

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Jay Horton's avatar

Franklin O'Kanu wrote a very interesting piece the other day regarding this topic suggesting that they were fodder (my take way).

https://unorthodoxy.substack.com/

Frank's got a pretty interesting take on things. He's on here from time to time. Give it a read/listen.

Best to you.

Later Jay

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Sharon Beautiful Evening's avatar

Franklin is one of the 3 Substackers that I read on a regular basis--I concur, Jay!

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Tracy's avatar

They're already here.

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AL's avatar

That was the entire goal of opening our borders. To justify/strategize at-home terrorism--and call another "oops! Biden messed up again!" Biden is in charge of nothing. This open border was well strategized. The "Biden administration" even sued Texas and NM for trying to close the border in their states and received injunction prohibiting those states from putting up barriers. Let that sink in. The worst (at least for Americans) is yet to come.

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Politico Phil's avatar

To Dave's point, again that is the result of the USG's immigration/open border policy.

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devoalan's avatar

Hitting Dave’s point, if the border was secure,that would mean immigration law was being enforced, and those neanderthals wouldn’t be coming here. I wonder if the queer college students realize the only men allowed to have sex with little boys are muzzies? And those men kill real queers. I’m not sure what the difference is, but they are.

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Sharon Beautiful Evening's avatar

Our present world system runs on POWER and GREED - and the financiers and power potentates (especially in banking and media) are mostly of the "jewish" persuasion. And soooo.....as the nation of Israel (which I am learning from some commentators whose words I respect is NOT considered to be legitimate by orthodox Jewish people around the globe) goes...so goes the "power potentates" as to their loyalties and verbiage!

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CStone's avatar

Those who call themselves ‘Jews’ but hate the nation of Israel? Every single one is a liberal, just so you know.

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Kim D's avatar

https://truthcomestolight.com/zionism-and-the-creation-of-israel/?fbclid=IwAR1P8xqf-3zfDMT4cKBqvqRitX0MaXIHkmOplDVcKPm3Nwy5u0wmvu98I58

This is pretty a straight forward simplistic account (from what I've learned through the years) of the origins of the state of Israel.

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Concerned mom's avatar

The origins of the Land of Israel, come from the Biblical account when Abraham obeyed God and He promised him the land that He showed him. Genesis 15:18 says "On the same day the LORD made a covenant with Abram saying, To your descendants I have given this land, FROM the river of Egypt TO the great river Eupharates. So truly, where Israel sits today, is only but a portion of his inheritance... When King Jesus sits on His throne in Jerusalem, His Kingdom will have true borders...

In Gen 17:8 God again tells Abram, "Also I give to you and your descendants after you the land in which you are a stranger, all the land of Canaan, as an everlasting possession: and I will be their God.

To me, THIS IS PRETTY STRAIGHT FORWARD...

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Dick's avatar

The passages are well taken, but I think Elaine Rusky also has a point worthy of good consideration.

Further, those descendants of Abram, then Abraham, became many tribes, in addition to the semitics who became Muslim and those we call Jews. Of these, Jacob (Grandson of Abraham, and son of Isaac and Rebecca) sired (with Rachel and Lea and 2 servants) the 12 tribes of Israel, the people which we think of as the Jews. It was through them the Law, Moses, the prophets, and Christ Himself came. They’re honored in scripture but also are a picture of dishonor. Many descendants of these tribes of Israel scattered to other places as well and lost their identity.

The thing is, the many tribes descended from Abraham not via Jacob/Israel would also be heir to those promises in the Bible which you quote. Yes, the Jews (those of Jacob/Israel) were set apart by God. They were given much else besides. But the greatest gift was Jesus the lamb of God, the Savior, God’s only son, the King of Kings. I cannot conceive of such rejection of God’s greatest and clearest gift, while appropriating all the lesser ones, especially entitlement to a political, secular state and territory, guaranteed from its inception to be at war with its neighbors, being sanctified.

There’s too much to write here, but we know that the consummate Jew, Paul wrote to the Galatians, “There is now neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.“ (Gal. 3:28)

HE is who and what defines God’s people, not a name, heritage, race, status, or history. Not origins or bloodlines or ancestry. In Christ, Jew and Gentile are both one.

As Christians, If we want a homeland for Jews, we should lead them first to the Father by way of the only way to him, via their true Messiah. Then they will be home. If we love them — as we are told to do — first is to seek and serve the kingdom of God. Then all thing will be added by Him. If we love them, as we ought to love all men, we must keep this in mind. But it obviously presents in this day a fine needle to thread. Love, mercy and humble heart will go a long way. Peace.

(Jmo)

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Concerned mom's avatar

When Abraham pleaded with God to allow Ishmael to live before him, to inherit the Blessing, God specifically told him that Abraham's line would be counted through the son of Promise: Isaac... Even though God blessed Ishmael and gave him 12 sons, the Messiah came through Jacob's lineage. You are correct that in Christ there is neither Jew or Gentile, slave or free... IN CHRIST God is NOT done with His people Israel... the land He gave them is theirs in perpetuity...

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Elaine Russky's avatar

I think you are conflating the Israel of the Old Testament (God's chosen people, through Abraham) with the modern country, Israel. I think "Israel" today is spiritual (the church) and not an ethnic group of people. I say that because there are no ethnic Jews today. They intermarried constantly throughout history, and they are now indistinguishable from any other mideastern people, from a genetic standpoint. Here's an article about the spiritual nation of Israel:

https://tinyurl.com/u8c8mwad

There's a short article here that gives the basic scriptures leading to this concept of Israel. It has a lot of annoying popups, which you can eventually block by saying you already subscribed. (I don't think there's anything to subscribe to).

https://thesacredfaith.co.uk/home/perma/1444556606/article/new-covenant-israel-is-no-long.html

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CStone's avatar

The ‘church’ has NOT replaced Israel.

That’s a lie perpetrated by the ‘church’.

I know. I grew up in the ‘church’, my father was a pastor who loved Israel and did not misinterpret the Word for the convenience of ‘Jew haters’. The Word says what He says. He is not a capricious God and states over and over and over that Israel is HIS, and as long as the sun and starts remain, Israel will remain His.

We are grafted in when we accept z Yeshua, but when we brag AGAINST Israel? He says he will lop us off that olive tree . I have a reverence for the Word that He is either TRUTH or He isn’t. And I have found that He does NOT lie. Israel is His. And I am Israel chai, as a result of Yeshua the Messiah.

The grafting of a wild olive branch takes three days. Resurrection=3 days.

But we can be cut off just as easily as we were grafted in. It is a dangerous thing to come against His Chosen people.

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Elaine Russky's avatar

I know what you are saying, as my late mother was an ardent premillenialist and we discussed the issue quite often. I'm not trying to be fissiparous. God is sovereign.

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daverkb's avatar

You are right. This link is interesting. Especially the part on Zionism. In some other ways not totally the complete picture, and the interviewer does not know enough to always ask the right questions. For example, no mention that I can recall of the Talmud. Worth watching in my opinion.

https://rumble.com/v3p3lte-october-13-2023.html

That all the political class is falling all over themselves 'to stand with' that tiny Middle Eastern god-state says it all. But where is all this 'stand for' real borders? Haven't seen it in at least 53 years.

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Sharon Beautiful Evening's avatar

The "real borders" won't be set until the Lion of Judah returns to earth with his army of angelic hosts!! We, who name the name of Jesus Christ the Lord WILL BE PERSECUTED as never before. There is no "rapture" mentioned in the Bible--that is a concept that was concocted in the late 19th century by Pentacostal pastorates.

EVEN SO...COME, LORD JESUS!!

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Concerned mom's avatar

Sharon, what do you do with this bit of Scripture: "For the Lord Himself will descend from Heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. AND the dead in Christ will rise FIRST. Then we who are ALIVE and remain shall be CAUGHT UP (harpaso Gk - rapturo: latin) together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall ALWAYS be with the Lord. 1Thes 4:16-17

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Sharon Beautiful Evening's avatar

C.M. I have sat under the tutelage of well-respected evangelical expository pastor/teachers. Some of them preached the "pre trib" rapture...some preached ""mid trib rapture", some preached "post trib rapture"....so I am of the mindset that I'll await the Lord Jesus Christ's cry COME UP HITHER....if I'm dead then--I'll be "first to meet Him--if I'm still alive..."I'll wait for my brothers and sisters in faith who passed into eternity before me to meet him FIRST....it's "up for interpretation" as far as I am concerned.

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Elaine Russky's avatar

One reading of Matthew 27:51-53 is that this has already happened, like many of the events cited by premillenial eschatologists. What do you guys think?

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Concerned mom's avatar

I believe God uses the same type of event 2x or even 3x. I understand that Antiochus IV Epiphanes captured Jerusalem in 167 BC and desecrated the Temple by offering a pig on the altar to Zeus... and we also see the Abomination of Desolation (spoken by Daniel) mentioned by Jesus Himself in Matt 24:15... Would He have mentioned it if it had already happened? Maybe this same scenario happens several times...

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Elaine Russky's avatar

Yes, anything is possible. I agree.

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Sharon Beautiful Evening's avatar

Here's a very comprehensive and unbiased dissertation by a professor from Liberty University in VA (Jerry Falwell's university) that I found very holistic and comprehensive. HT is helpful, Elaine and Concerned! https://digitalcommons.liberty.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1008&context=pretrib_arch

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Elaine Russky's avatar

Thank you for the article. The author traces the theologians' development of this doctrine. I always thought the Schofield bible footnotes had much to do with it. While helpful, the primary authority I prefer is the New Testament. I'm what I call a pro-millenial, meaning I'm ready for whatever God chooses to do, now and forever. Having almost died twice, I know it's possible that I won't be on Earth for any of it so it's largely academic. (Nothing wrong with that if you're an academic.)

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Sharon Beautiful Evening's avatar

Good mindset, Elaine!!

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Concerned mom's avatar

My biggest problem with any debate, and wordy articles, is that people put aside God's Word and try to defend their position based on pre-conceived beliefs. Let every man be a liar but God and His Word are TRUE!

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SHARON MAHOE's avatar

I took a values test once years ago, and Power ended up #14 on my list. Guess I won’t be interested in any of the high profile opportunities these folks seem to go for

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FourWinds's avatar

They do not know the difference between their butts and mouths, which is why they keep spewing lies out, which is what we used to call "talking out of your butt". But I would argue it isn't low mental capacity, rather, it is blatant and obvious attempts at manipulation.

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Jay Horton's avatar

You guys are blowing up the narrative of the tortured journalist/writer..... It's going down in flames.

Later Jay

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AL's avatar

It's not incompetence--it is a highly controlled, highly scripted set of talking points to embed into the public intellect. Plain and simple. Massive effort goes into this. Where does the head of the monster work?

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SM's avatar

I also question “public intellect” but scorn the fact that I was once a believer in MSM. How embarrassing and humiliating.

As we have seen in the past few decades, it is deadly to listen to everything you hear or see in the news. Listening to the news can cost you your life.

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Jordan's avatar

No way. If everything was orchestrated so perfectly, there is no way they would let Sleepy Joe in office. Not so “plain and simple.” HUH 🤣😂🤣

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AL's avatar

Of course they did that deliberately. He’s not running anything- the people pulling his strings are. Do you really believe Biden is there bc the deep state mafia made a mistake? SMH

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Jordan's avatar

Incredible. What’s next? The Earth is flat? The US didn’t go to the moon? 9/11 was staged? 🤣🤣🤣

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AL's avatar

Not sure about the Earth but definitely never landed on the moon (the event was ludicrous) and 9/11 was an inside job in the sense that the same ruling class mafia, including GE Bush) orchestrated it. No real operation is fake or “staged” but they are planned and not anything near how they are portrayed to the public.

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Jordan's avatar

Where is your evidence. Credible sources such as the Washington Post say otherwise and I don’t know about you, but I much rather trust an esteemed newspaper than you.😜

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AL's avatar

The WaPo is a credible source? Dude, I think you took a wrong turn and ended up here. You should be trolling the CDC website or something.

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Jordan's avatar

HAHA Are you legitimately saying that the president of the United States, the most powerful person in the world, isn’t making the decisions??? Who is the person “SMH”ing now? Because I’ll tell you it’s not me.

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AL's avatar

Yes, that’s exactly what I’m saying. He can’t string two thoughts together. He’s merely an extension of the Obama admin. He is being told what to say and do.

Even if he weren’t senile, he is being run by the ruling class mafia- the bankster cartels who are funneling as much remaining wealth out of this system as fast as they can, and they’re using Biden to do it. He’s just a warm body. A face for the cameras. Our country—- our government, military and intelligence were hijacked a long time ago.

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Jordan's avatar

The mob’s influence is nowhere near the level it once was. After numerous government operations, the mobs, which were once so powerful, no longer are able to act like they used to. Aside from money laundering, they don’t do much else. And they definitely are not Joe Biden’s puppeteer. CHECKMATE

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AL's avatar

Wrong mob ding dong.

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Jordan's avatar

For your sake, I’m glad you stopped responding.

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Jordan's avatar

Your lack of a comprehensive response tells me you have conceded your point. Relying on a sexual reference. If I were you, I’d stop embarrassing myself

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Garden Lover's avatar

And then they scream, er, mourn the fact that nobody listens to them anymore. Why would we? They have proven their “worth” and journalism “standards” numerous times for more than a decade.

Many years ago (3 decades or more—which tells you how long I’ve been skeptical), I had a friend who was an intern for a local news station. I told her how biased they were. She’s a liberal, she denied it, but all you had to do was read the headlines to see the truth. There was always a narrative that, with a little bit of research, could be disproven. I could never get it to see if, which is why she’s still very liberal.

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Sharon Beautiful Evening's avatar

It's called "willful ignorance" and it saddens me to the core!

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Connie Lemmincakes's avatar

Sadly there are many bafoons that believe every word.

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John A George's avatar

Even some buffoons...

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Connie Lemmincakes's avatar

HA-ha!! That’s me! 😐

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Mary Mc's avatar

🤣🤣🤣 💯💯💯

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shayne's avatar

You made my day.... I'm still laughing!

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Help Needed in KS's avatar

IS there a difference?

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SHARON MAHOE's avatar

Yes, when I compare what friends and family members are still believing, over these past months ….I can watch MSNBC and keep my balance because I know the other side(s) but family members swerve off from two minutes of Fox.

~~~Way-ell, sure Fox, I know,.,,but still

You know the military bases had to clean up KK$$ of damage after the Afghanistan “refugees” had stayed there, refused to use toilet paper, hmmm? Talk of culture wars, I actually don’t have the words….

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SHARON MAHOE's avatar

LOL LOL !!

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CStone's avatar

And so many commenters on here believed Israel DID IT!!!

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FourWinds's avatar

Thanks for the update. Why am I not surprised it could be fake? CNN ran that it was real the whole 1.5 hours we were at the bar. SIGH.

Back to the photos real quick - these folks at CNN are disgraceful. Don't show me a photo and call it real when it is obviously fake. THIS is the kind of thing that destroys trust.

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On an island's avatar

Maybe CNN should be cited with domestic terrorism for further inciting all the radical leftist pro Hamas whack jobs.

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AL's avatar

You mean our intelligence agencies that own a television station?

More and more people are realizing that there are no real nation-states anymore--that is just theatre. All of these wars, including 9/11 which was fully engineered, are by the globalist elites/bankster cartel/ruling class mafia using "countries" such as the US and Israel to launder US money out and land grab through these engineered wars.

The purpose of media is to distract and confuse and of course as Jeff says, to ensure that this is yet another "long, emotionally-exhausting war if everyone scrutinizes and argues over every single rocket strike and civilian casualty like this."

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LuAnne's avatar

Sitting at a bar could be the only way I could stomach a second of CNN. 🤣

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Tracy's avatar

Don't forget to bend your elbow!

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Nikki (Gayle) Nicholson's avatar

agree 100%, I would have to leave.

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Frontera Lupita's avatar

I agree...I can’t stand it when I’m some place where that crap is on a TV (restaurant, bar, hotel/motel ‘breakfast’ rooms)!

Saw MSNBC the other morning at a hotel I stayed in on a road trip to NoCA...I just about gagged! And all the ‘breakfasters’ attention was riveted to the TV! 🤮

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SHARON MAHOE's avatar

That reminds me….here’s one for yah….

I was at a nice hotel in Wisconsin several years ago with family, and we were down in the nice breakfast area, one of those same, with bacon scrambled eggs toast bar set up, and the man of the couple we were with, had a temper tantrum about the TV above the bar area which was on Fox News. He pitched a fit to make them change it to CNN. !!! I said, “We Oh well when I get to the airport I think I will have a fit in the waiting area because I can’t stand listening to CNN….” It’s their business, they choose what they want. unbeleeevable

I’ve been saying, How do you handle it it in the real world, oh 25 year old? Can’t get together for thanksgiving coz your mother in law believes differently from you!? Snowflake, to the max

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Frontera Lupita's avatar

Well since I travel mostly during the week in ‘off travel’ days, I mostly encounter older folks like me, or families. They aren’t a very reactionary group. The most recent trip I was on I stayed in an independent non chain motel. They have a lovely breakfast room and don’t have a TV in that room! The only source of news is copies of USA Today, for the guests reading pleasure! I never read any newspapers these days.

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KGer's avatar

Communist Network News strikes again. Like walking around in a funhouse full of mirrors.

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FourWinds's avatar

True, I never trusted them. Ever. But their nonsense helps destroy the trust others have given them, and that's a good thing... no one should trust liars.

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Kathleen Taylor's avatar

Agreed. (That was NOT meant personally, 4 Winds.)

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FourWinds's avatar

I know :) I understood :)

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Renee Marie's avatar

I’d definitely pick a different bar.

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FourWinds's avatar

My dad really likes the place and he's old, soooooo, we go. He was watching golf highlights. It's a sports bar/diner and nearly every TV is sports except that one. For some reason, probably because I felt like calling b.s. on something, I chose to watch that one.

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SHARON MAHOE's avatar

Yes it’s frustrating to hear the same phrases…difficult to hear the phony news in public over a couple of hours…..have you seen War Room or Charlie Kirk, et al, forget which, several minutes of montage with all the media heads using the exact same breathless phrasing for the “latest”. So funny…..but I really enjoy Bannon’s cold open when he plays some outrageous exchanges from MSNBC….they go on and on, each host a legend in their own mind But hold out hope…..We could still encourage some journos to go for a different degree, they still have some time left…..oh Lordy …

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Renee Marie's avatar

I gotcha! 😉

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Joseph Kaplan's avatar

Over the years it has become a rule of thumb that in all disasters the first reporting by any and all so called news organization is wrong, hysterical, and biased. It should be ignored. This is a horrible case in point.

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K2's avatar

Yup. The 3-day Rule.

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Mom of 5's avatar

Media’s need to be first is greater than it’s need to be correct.

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Head Scullery Maid's avatar

Are we waiting for a referee to review the play and overturn the call against the team?

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AL's avatar

He slipped--because I believe they do discuss the "sides" as “teams” behind closed doors. This is all engineered war--through emotional and atrocity propaganda and by the funding of all sides to ensure massive casualties---but not "real" in the sense that it just popped up organically a week ago.

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Blair's avatar

Resident Briben is still waiting on the referee to overturn the call. I guess he'll be waiting a while.

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Jay Horton's avatar

Good one!

Later Jay

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SHARON MAHOE's avatar

Yeah I thought that was pretty tacky For folks who only play games, that team Vs that team, with their two thumbs they are not awake to real life….

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Formerly_Known_As_Someone's avatar

No one checked?

Notice when they thought Hamas had bombed it, there was no outcry against Hamas. Whatever Hamas does is A-OK. The woke warriors were so happy when they thought it was Israel.

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Surviving the Billionaire Wars's avatar

https://t.me/intelslava/52288

Israeli army spokesman to Al-Jazeera: We bombed the hospital garage, but there were no direct hits on the hospital

https://archive.is/wip/e5EaR

🔗 الجزيرة - عاجل (@AJABreaking)

Re: they were told to evacuate, 1. As UN has said, that is impossible.

Also, local civilians were sheltering there because they have no place to go.

Finally, I've seen a couple reports of the checkpoint/exit in Raffa, Egypt being bombed so nobody can leave & humanitarian aide from Egypt can't get in.

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Kathleen Taylor's avatar

As I understand, Egypt refuses to accept "Palesinian" refugees and Hamas terrorists lest they signal a belief that Israel should annex Gaza. This tells me the Egyptians are fighting a proxy war with Israel, with their "Palestinian" brothers as cannon fodder.

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DC's avatar

No, Egypt last time they opened their border to the Palestinians had to deal with a lot of Jihad mentality and they created too much trouble. They learned their lesson and that is why they refuse to open the border.

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Kathleen Taylor's avatar

Exactly. They recognize the evil that is Hamas, as does Israel.

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Jay Horton's avatar

So, there is a lesson to be learned here (there).

Later Jay

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Elaine Russky's avatar

Why can't they go in through Jordan?

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SHARON MAHOE's avatar

Jordan is adamant, No!

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Elaine Russky's avatar

No to refugees? Or no to sending relief supplies in? Or both?

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SHARON MAHOE's avatar

The Jordan king has refused refugees, that’s what I understand

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Benjamin Two N's's avatar

Google "black september" when they had a revolt and tried to kill the king of Jordan.

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Surviving the Billionaire Wars's avatar

Lasy I saw they had agreed to open one checkpoint at Raffa.There is a long line of trucks with humanitarian supplies waiting to enter

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Kathleen Taylor's avatar

But NOT to allow Palestinians safe passage to Egypt. Only to let supplies IN to Gaza. Supplies that will likely end up in the hands of Hamas and their supporters.

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Surviving the Billionaire Wars's avatar

Yes, Palestinians seeking medical treatment plus foreign nationals trapped in Gaza.

See link above

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Kathleen Taylor's avatar

So, Egypt's own Arab people, the "Palestinians," are only allowed "safe passage" to Egypt, or through Egypt, AFTER they have been sacrificed to Hamas' cause. Still sounds as if Egypt is using those Palestinians as cannon fodder in Egypt's blood war against Israel with Hamas as their proxy.

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Surviving the Billionaire Wars's avatar

No, that's not what it says.

Palestinians seeking medical treatment in Egypt can go there, & foreign nationals (eg Americans, Europeans, etc) can go through to catch flights home.

Egypt is borderline bankrupt & cannot afford 2.3 million refugees, plus they know the score with Israel, who will drive out the west bank Palestinians next.

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Surviving the Billionaire Wars's avatar

"Egypt hopes to soon restore regular operations through the Rafah crossing, including *for Palestinians seeking medical treatment in Egypt* and getting foreign nationals on flights home, according to Shoukry on Monday..."

"The Rafah crossing was shut on Oct. 10 after it was hit by Israeli warplanes on the Palestinian side three times on Oct. 9 and 10."

https://www.google.com/search?q=rafah%20border&oq=rafah&aqs=chrome.4.69i57j46i512j0i512j46i512j0i512j0i10i433i512j46i512j0i10i512j0i512j0i10i433i512j46i10i512j46i175i199i512l2j46i10i512j0i512.5594j0j7&client=ms-android-americamovil-us-revc&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8&asid=canlbsc

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Special Ted's avatar

I've seen reports about the Red Crescent being allowed to enter and render aid, and then subsequently being bombed and some aid workers were killed. Who knows if it's real, or who did it. This entire thing is a tragedy of epic proportions. Warning (even several times) about a possible strike to trapped non-combatants does not mean it was ok to cause these deaths. It was called a 'war crime' when Russia temporarily cut off basic utilities in Ukraine, but in the Middle East, it's supposed to justify that the building should have been empty?

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TB's avatar

Well, Israel's political opponents are also accusing them of a "war crime" for shutting off the utilities, so I guess at least they're consistent. As far as aid workers bombed, that sucks, but I'm guessing it was not done on purpose but rather, when you go to provide aid in a war zone, unfortunately, you risk becoming a casualty yourself.

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Benjamin Two N's's avatar

Must feel bad knowing pro-Russian terrorists are being bombed relentlessly without ceasing, huh?

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Tracy's avatar

I just commented on another post saying I believe nothing I see, hear or read anymore. There are only a few substacks I follow with this being one of the few. Believe nothing unless 💯 verified.

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DC's avatar

I was on twitter and it's full of all kinds of images of dead around the hospital, but then again they often share old video and such and claim it to be current. There is so much on both sides it so hard to find the truth anymore.

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Based Florida Man's avatar

So when Israel warned they were going to bomb it, I guess they were just joshing around.

Whew!

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nancylee's avatar

my god. since bombs are going off all over the country, where the hell would you go? the arrogance is stunning. and the utter lack of empathy for fellow human beings. I guess this is why christianity leaves such a bad taste in so many people

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Neil Kellen's avatar

uh...it's not Christianity...

Anyway...no religion requires its followers to allow themselves to be slaughtered so they can show empathy to fellow human beings.

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TB's avatar

Well, technically, Christianity DOES have a history of its followers not resisting when being slaughtered *for their faith*, specifically (but not "so they can show empathy").

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DC's avatar

There were leaflets dropped for them to move out of harms way, before all this and the Hamas leaders threatened them and said they better not leave, using them as human shields like they always have. What kind of evil is that?!

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CStone's avatar

Exactly.

It’s as if Hamas and Hezbollah are heroes to these people. And so, these commenters are either very ignorant or utter leftists (but I repeat myself).

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Kathleen Taylor's avatar

Quick FYI: Neither Arabs nor Jews are Christians.

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Willing Spirit's avatar

Messianic Jews are Christians.

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Kathleen Taylor's avatar

Thanks, WS. (I was responding to nancylee's comment above.)

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Surviving the Billionaire Wars's avatar

Preliminary analysis of the hospital strike by Marine Corps Veteran Explosives & Ordinance Expert, and reviewed by many others.

https://twitter.com/MarioNawfal/status/1714419377305428295

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Benjamin Two N's's avatar

Which was done by Hamas...

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sean anderson's avatar

500 people could have been camping in the parking lot where failed rocket landed and mass pass, burning tents, effects of crowds surging and trampling each other could have created a mass casualty event.

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sean anderson's avatar

Mass panic etc

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Lisa P's avatar

Good luck. Imho, the transcript of the two terrorist discussing the attack wasn't very revealing imho. There was no "there there". I didn't read any admission of guilt or detailed knowledge of the rocket attack in the transcript. "They're saying we did it." That's not an admission of guilt imho. Maybe I missed something.

The most convincing video to me that it was not an errant Hamas or IJ rocket was this one that I saw last night. https://x.com/Partisangirl/status/1714504907473223959?s=20

It' shows rockets being fired in the opposite direction from where the 2 ground explosions happened. I've seen a 'debunking' that the time is wrong, but the explosion in the IDF official video and the video linked by Syrian Girl are exactly 1 hour apart. What are the chances the same sequence of rocket fire and 2 ground explosions happen exactly 1 hour apart?

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Boudicca's avatar

Fake news aka atrocity propaganda

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Kim D's avatar

Didn't the same scenario happen in Ukraine earlier in that war???

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Surviving the Billionaire Wars's avatar

Intel Slava Z

🇵🇸🇮🇱⚡Hamas said that the movement will publish evidence of Israeli involvement in the attack on a hospital in Gaza and present it to international bodes.

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DC's avatar

They are already showing grainy pictures of dead, but can't tell if it is the hospital or not. Pictures can be manipulate.

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Surviving the Billionaire Wars's avatar

I've seen plenty of non-grainy video & images.

Also, apparently surviving doctors held a press conference this morning.

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CStone's avatar

‘Surviving doctors’ whose families are probably being held hostage by Hamas.

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Surviving the Billionaire Wars's avatar

Yeah, because Doctors Without Borders are such liars.

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CStone's avatar

They also posted a few years ago of people killed by IDF in body bags. Problem was one had to sneeze and another had to scratch an itch. But idiots in the US and elsewhere still believed them.

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Surviving the Billionaire Wars's avatar

Twitter has taken down the videos I saw in the morning. To "lifelike." Or rather, deathlike.

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Benjamin Two N's's avatar

Must feel bad your narrative is collapsing, huh?

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DC's avatar

Did you say the same when Hamas went into Israel and beheaded babies, burned people alive etc?

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Special Ted's avatar

Like the 'Babies on Bayonets' propaganda lie from WWI? Or the 'Babies in Incubators' propaganda lie from Desert Storm? The media is manipulating all of us, in all directions, and it is nothing new. This is a tragedy for all innocent people who are affected, not just a certain ethnicity. The shed of innocent blood is unacceptable.

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Kim D's avatar

The controllers are getting exactly what they want, as you follow these threads. Their goal is to raise the emotions of humanity to a fearful or angry frenzy, which they feed from. Observation, while remaining compassionate for those lives being affected and sending peaceful and loving prayers for an amicable end to the conflict would be the better approach.

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Truthseeker's avatar

Yes

I was watching footage of the protests in all these other countries. People lighting things on fire, destroying property, fighting in the streets, throwing rocks … it’s like deja vu- George Floyd protests anyone!?

Israel touches a third rail.

Same as race in the US…

Praying for peace. I have no idea where the truth is… because now we know all governments lie today and media is mostly propaganda.

So how can we even determine the truth today? And the bombardment of information right now is meant to confuse, incite and anger people very deliberately.

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Special Ted's avatar

Well stated! God bless you.

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sean anderson's avatar

Or the Gospels’ reporting 40 man children slaughtered in Bethlehem at order of His Majesty King Herod?

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Special Ted's avatar

Hi Sean, and thanks for your reply. I'm not sure what you mean by your comment. Could you please explain? Are you comparing the inerrant Word of God to today's mainstream media?

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sean anderson's avatar

Hello Special Ted:

My point is that the deliberate slaughter of human babies is savagery that evokes the deepest horror, whether the killing of Hebrew infants at Pharaoh’s command, the 40 at Herod’s command, the (faked) reports of Belgian or Kuwaiti babies, or the real but ignored cases of children killed by the mNRA poisons.

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Special Ted's avatar

Thank you for your response and clarification, Sean. I agree with you, these horrors (real or fake) are meant to evoke extreme visceral reactions. I appreciate you taking the time to reply to me, as I understand that I am a pariah among modern Christians. I want to glorify Christ and serve Him, and I am the worst sinner this world has ever known. But for the grace of Jesus through God the Father, I would have zero value at all. I pray that God blesses you beyond our wildest dreams, and then blesses you more!

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sean anderson's avatar

Well thank you Special Ted! I have nothing against birthday celebrations in general but notice only two birthdays mentioned in Scripture, both involving potentates and both involving executions, the Baker in Pharaoh’s case and John the Baptist in Herod’s case.

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Special Ted's avatar

Very interesting! What significance do you assign to the birth dates?

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sean anderson's avatar

Ecclesiastes 7:1 “ A good name is better than fine perfume,

and the day of death better than the day of birth.” I am not a member of one of those sects that forbids celebrating Christmas or personal birthdays. But I personally don’t party on my birthday. People who blow a fuse over me not sending a card or a gift strike me as immature. However I always sent my mother flowers on her birthday and a telephone call to my father while they lived and continue to send birthday greetings to my brother and sister. But the story of Herod Agrippa’s birthday begins with Herod’s (incestuous) lust for his daughter in law Salome and Herodias’s hatred for John who is arrested for denouncing Herod’s marriage to. So there is nothing of kindness, parental respect, or love about this celebration but instead Herod’s vain-glory and lust and Herodias’s jealousy, hatred and bloodlust. The most I got out of Pharaoh’s birthday was that it was not such a bright idea to steal from your employer, especially if he is a Pharaoh. I don’t think all birthday celebrations are wrong but I can understand why some Christian groups might think so.

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Bryan Dair's avatar

The 'inerrant word of god' was written by men.

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Special Ted's avatar

Ah, I see. You do not believe the Bible. You probably believe in a god powerful enough to create and control everything, just not powerful enough to inspire the writings of men. Your god is weak and powerless, like men. You are a god unto yourself, no?

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Bryan Dair's avatar

All gods are man made.

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Special Ted's avatar

Says you. I say different. Looks like we have ourselves a Mexican standoff. Let's see which of us is correct at the end of this earthly life.

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DC's avatar

I call it like it is. Did you know the Palestinian Authority has a Martyrs Fund aka a Pay-for-slay?

Under Palestinian Authority law, every terrorist who is killed attacking Israel is defined as a “Martyr” whose family is immediately rewarded by the PA with a 6,000 shekels ($1,511) grant and a 1,400 ($353) per month allowance for life.

This means each family of the 1,500 dead Hamas terrorists who invaded Israel will receive 7,400 shekels for this first month. Families of those terrorists who were married and had children will receive even more. The PA will pay at least 11,100,000 shekels ($2,789,430) this month as a reward for participating in last week’s murders and atrocities against Israeli civilians.

In addition, the 50 captured Hamas terrorist murderers will receive monthly salaries in prison starting at 1,400 shekels/month which will eventually rise to 12,000 shekels/month. Terrorists who are married and have children will receive even higher salaries. This month these newly arrested terrorists will receive at least 70,000 shekels ($17,590).

In total, the PA will pay at least 11,170,000 shekels ($2,807,021) in payments under the PA’s “Pay-for-Slay” program to the Hamas terrorists this month. This is a low estimate since as the war continues there will be additional Hamas terrorist "Martyrs" and prisoners. This figure is added to the more than 100,000,000 shekels/month the PA already pays in salaries to imprisoned terrorists and families of terrorist “Martyrs.” EU countries and Norway, are currently the largest funders of the PA because the PA could not possibly make these terror payments without them. These donor countries like to pretend that it’s not their money rewarding terrorists, but everyone knows that the PA could not reward terrorists without this generous foreign funding. When payments to teachers, police, and street cleaners are taken care of by international donors, the PA has the hundreds of millions available it needs to pay for terror.

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Queen Hotchibobo's avatar

I hate it that the block feature doesn’t seem to work on substack. I’m probably going to have to read your venal dribblings again. ☠️

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CStone's avatar

You know that’s a lie

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