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Gary’S's avatar

Yeah. $50 trillion in sovereign debt is the back breaker. There’s no recovery from this. Both political parties are steadfastly refusing to accept this reality. That’s what wokeness and political correctness is. Ignoring reality.

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Margaret Allison's avatar

We are one election away from being a total Communist Country like Venezuela. Then elections don’t count. Go ask the common people of Venezuela who got out the vote to change their government. MAHA & MAGA. Wake up America!

Thanks Jeff for your comments on fake news. Hope for Michigan! Have a daughter and family there because that’s where her husband got a really good job after college. By the way, college bill paid for when he graduated! It can be done! And without either family giving them money. Hello!

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rolandttg's avatar

Has anyone else noted that all of the people who post trashing Trump have not once come up with their plan, their solution, their candidate. A vice president where I formally worked told his people "If you don't have a solution, you don't have a problem. Or at least I don't want to hear about it".

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Johnny-O's avatar

And on the flip side, those of you who tell us Trump is the greatest things since sliced bread continue to fail to realize there are many faults, and he did a lot of things wrong the first time around. Demanding accountability from public servants IS OUR RESPONSIBILITY.

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Gary’S's avatar

It’s not “trashing Trump” to take a balanced view on his record when he was POTUS. Critical analysis is (arguably) the highest level of logic. I don’t believe it’s either wise or intelligent to hold leaders in reverence or to never criticize their actions in favor of being (so-called) “loyal” or to rationalize or make excuses for their wrongdoings.

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Sandy's avatar

I'm voting the lesser of two evils.

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Chevrus's avatar

With the added benefit that a certain segment of society will be weeping profusely into their Chardonnay

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rolandttg's avatar

Still waiting for your recommendations and solutions

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Johnny-O's avatar

Okay, let's not trust and appoint the very swamp creatures you say you are going to get rid of, just for starters!

NO MORE WAR - INCLUDING FOR ISRAEL.

We need to move back to a gold standard.

We need to work with other countries on common interests.

We need to rebuild our military and audit the pentagon. Make the weapons industry actually competitive, rather than a form of corporate socialism.

No more heads of agencies from the very industries they are supposed to regulate.

NO MORE TOXIC SHOTS

No more toxic land use programs. No more poison laden foods on our shelves.

No censorship.

No more cronyism and government handouts (sorry Elon and others).

Stop the covert influx of chinese male fighting age invaders that are coming through the Darian gap.

NO MORE TOXIC SPRAYING OF OUR SKIES

NO MORE WEATHER MODIFICATION (NEXRAD weather manipulation)

NO MORE TOXIC CELL TOWERS/RADIATION

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rolandttg's avatar

I do not disagree with a single thing you said. However, none of these things have any chance of happening unless we can come up with a way to make it happen. Who can do these things, how do we make them happen., That's the hard part. The very hard part.

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Gary’S's avatar

I am for the kingdom of heaven and the kingdom of GOD. I simply have no trust whatsoever in politics. It might not be much of a (so-called) “solution” in your opinion, but rest in the fact that I’m not voting for the wrong candidate. 😊

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Margaret Allison's avatar

That’s sound logic. Rolandttg. I’m having a hard time moving on today! What a beautiful day in “the heart of Dixie “! Oops! Don’t throw me out the door. Every state has their own nickname! 😊

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Jay Horton's avatar

Lots of beautiful people there! Bamalam!

Later Jay

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Gary’S's avatar

Margaret, the USA ceased being a constitutional republic several generations ago. What killed the republic? One culprit was the Federal Reserve banking system and direct taxes on income & wages in order to pay interest on the sovereign debt created by the Federal Reserve. Another culprit was the creation of a huge federal bureaucracy.

It doesn’t matter if there’s a GOP administration or a Democrat administration or a MAGA/MAHA administration as long as the USA has a privately owned central bank and a strong central government that is controlled by the bank and directly taxed citizen-subjects-slaves and an entrenched bureaucracy of managers who oversee the slaves. This is what the USA has become and no election is going to restore the country to its former glory.

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Margaret Allison's avatar

I believe you are right. Just making a point that we have to vote. God’s Word being fulfilled before our eyes! I hate to see this current administration back in. I remind myself and all others, this is His world. He has everything under control. So many Bible verses can be quoted. Our hope is in Jesus Christ!

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Gary’S's avatar

Hopefully I won’t face the wrath of GOD for deciding to not vote. 😊

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Margaret Allison's avatar

No but what does your not voting do? My almost 99 year old Mom can’t. But she did when she could. Think back 99 years what she went through in the USA! Hoover Gravy! Depression days! WWII! Brothers going off to war. My dad and family on his side fought. The finest generation. By the way, I don’t like war but it’s here until Jesus Comes. What a blessed Hope. What a Day!

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Gary’S's avatar

What does not voting do? It’s simply a refusal to participate in a corrupt system. Or at least that’s the logic.

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Willing Spirit's avatar

And yet the economy, our relationships to other nations related to peace, general cultural sanity, religious liberty, free speech; all these improved under President Trump’s leadership. With a prolonged period of such stability the more serious issues can be addressed.

Give me a largely corrupt Republican administration over an insane Democrat one any day.

What has to be stopped is the cheating. The laws are on the books. People need to be charged and convicted.

I don’t even believe Obama was legitimately elected, though it would have been a closer contest, given the levels of unwarranted white guilt in this country.

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Gary’S's avatar

I simply cannot overlook Operation Warp Speed and the CARES Act and the lockdowns as simple acts of corruption. If that’s me being too judgmental, my bad.

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Johnny-O's avatar

The main reason I am voting and voting for Trump is I am hoping he will stick to his word and protect freedom of speech, the most important right we have. The Ds have gone totally bat sh*t on this issue, and without freedom of speech, we are royally screwed!

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CMCM's avatar

Freedom of speech is the foundation for everything else.

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Chevrus's avatar

I sometimes remind people that this freedom is essential to citizens communicating with each other, which is precisely what censorship aims to prevent

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Gary’S's avatar

I agree with this, regarding the importance of the government recognizing and protecting and maintaining our God-given rights.

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PEL's avatar

I remeber at the time thinking Obama didn’t even really want the second term. He didn’t seem that engaged. Much more enthusiasm for Romney (now shudder at that thought). Was surprised he won and by as much as he did.

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rolandttg's avatar

It became a corporation in 1871.

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Gary’S's avatar

And you know what the merger of corporations and states is.

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rolandttg's avatar

If you recall, I defined it here last week when Jeff mentioned it in one of his segments but stopped short of offering a definition.

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Johnny-O's avatar

I made a point in another comment that many have willingly forgotten: Trump added a record $8 trillion to the debt. To act like he was some genius when it comes to the economy is pure gaslighting. He needs to do better, but he very well may not if people just give him the greenlight and pretend he is some economic genius.

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CStone's avatar

Or if we listen to you and pretend we aren’t aware that you deeply hate him .

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Johnny-O's avatar

I'm just not into worshipping politicians like you. And I also don't lie to myself about reality. He is some wizard genius and then appoints people like Barr, Bolton, runs with Pence, etc.....sorry if I don't worship someone who pushed the poison death shot. Do you see how silly this looks from my point of view? You guys think Elon is some patriot....I could go on, but there is no need.

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Willing Spirit's avatar

Oh, the hate, the hate, the hate, hate, hate! These must be very difficult days for you🤯

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Johnny-O's avatar

I'm going to vote for Trump. I don't worship him like you. People like you is why we have such a broken system. How can we do better if you think your candidate is already perfect? Do you not remember the swamp creatures he appointed in his first administration? Pushing the toxic bioweapon? Adding $8 trillion in debt? No, you don't somehow remember these things, which is why I repeatedly talk about it. Politicians are public servants, not gods.

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Gary’S's avatar

Yeah. The reverence some voters shower on their preferred candidates — combined with the attitude that their elected leaders can do no wrong — borders on “worship”.

It would be interesting to pick your brain about “what things look like from your point of view”, just to discover what ethical values and commonalities we share, based on common knowledge and common sense.

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Johnny-O's avatar

I just want people to acknowledge reality, that is all. I realize presidents are in impossible positions. I also realize, that if you were going to be president, you are going to have to make some difficult decisions, and you and your family may be threatened. That is part of the job, so put your big boy shoes on. I can't reconcile Trump pushing a toxic bioweapon - sorry if you were threatened, but that is a condition of your employment unfortunately. I would take a bullet to the head before telling millions and millions of people to take poison.

At the end of the day, most of us want the same things: a healthy environment, good schools/education for our kids, good jobs, healthy food, safe communities. Politicians all promise these things, but don't deliver because they aren't dictators and simply cannot. When we expect this it is to our own detriment, and then fall into the partisan trap: "If only it weren't for the democrats" or "If only it weren't for the republicans." Bologna - the system is functioning as intended - to concentrate wealth and power and keep the rest of us down. Politicians piss on us and tell us its raining, and sadly, many people believe it.

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Gary’S's avatar

Many people — i.e. the individuals who make up the (Greek) dēmos/the mob, the hoi polloi, the mass, the vast majority, the public — believe that the elected politicians are the rulers of the system. I think that’s wrong headed. The politicians are part of the managerial class. The real rulers? It takes going down quite a few rabbit holes to discover who’s at the pinnacle of the pathocratic power hierarchy.

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Willing Spirit's avatar

If the election had not been stolen, if the American public had not accepted the steal-Trump would have paid off the national debt from oil revenues. We had achieved energy independence and were ready to market to the world.

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Jay Horton's avatar

One thing to realize is that our hegemony on oil via the Petro-dollar is quickly vanishing. I want what you have said to be so true but the rest of the world has started moving on.

Later Jay

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Johnny-O's avatar

We have 34 trillion dollars in oil ready to be extracted and sold? What planet do you live on?

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Lisa Ca's avatar

Lol Cstone.

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The Fifster's avatar

8 trillion was that when they held a gun to his head to sign the CARES ACT? If he had refused to sign it then he would have been impeached and convicted within 24 hours.

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Johnny-O's avatar

I'm tired of excuses. Convicted of what exactly? Just like he "had" to push the bioweapon shots on us, right?

Stop making excuses for these people. Hold them accountable. You can still support them while being tough on them. They are public servants, not gods.

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Willing Spirit's avatar

And yet the only political figure I’ve ever seen you take your blowhard torch to is Trump. Envy is a killer. What great and noteworthy things have you done with your life?

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Johnny-O's avatar

What is the point of lambasting Harris here? Everyone here knows how awful and dangerous she is. But there are plenty like you here who think Trump can do no wrong and that he is our savior. Pure poppycock. He was part of the biggest crime against humanity in the history of the world and you completely ignore this, and not only ignore it, you act like I am some demon for pointing it out. It is the epitome of Orwellian.

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Johnny-O's avatar

Are you a slave?

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pretty-red, old guy's avatar

Right on Johnny. YOU hit it, man.

I will vote for Trumpie as I did last time(2016, nope).

But, I won't expect miracles, perhaps just a delay of the inevitable collapse. Although folks have been crying the sky is falling for 20 years, it just may happen in the next 10.

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Jay Horton's avatar

Sooner.

Later Jay

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Inverted Pyramid's avatar

Ifster is spot on! If Trump had “sponsored” the bill that passed the Democratic dominated Congress... your comment has merit but that didn’t happen.

Is a President there only to sign into law the bills passed by his/her political party?

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Gary’S's avatar

Great comments. They deserve more than a simple “Like”.

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Fre'd Bennett, MAHA's avatar

The constant refrain "Trump HAD TO DO EVIL else they would have been MEAN to him!"

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Emumundo's avatar

Trump did add a lot of money to the debt but he was stimulating the economy and hoping that would offset some of the deficit. Unemployment was at a historic low- for all races. Energy was cheap and we had uninterrupted food supplies. Now our government adds to the debt and steals the money. I think Trump will do better. I’m sure he understands the vagaries and psychopathologies of the deep state.

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Johnny-O's avatar

He has a much better chance at taking on the permanent state having Kennedy by his side.

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PEL's avatar

Yes I was not happy with his spending either but then Biden said “hold my beer.” Encouraged if Elon can cut bloated government bureaucrats. He’s also been vocal about the spending.

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Johnny-O's avatar

Elon is part of the problem, so I'm not so sure he is going to fix it. Do not forget the power of cronyism. All that printed money is going to go somewhere, and much of it will continue to go into Elon's pockets.

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Jay Horton's avatar

Dang it , Man! You keep beating me to the punch.

Later Jay

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Jay Horton's avatar

Johnny-O is correct! Who do you think is going to pay the inflated price for goods if those tariffs are imposed (that's us, if you can't do the math). We are in a no win situation. International players holding our US bonds (national debt) are considering their options which doesn't bode well for us. The FED holds the cards and they ain't on our side. 2025 is going to be a wilder ride than 2024.

Later Jay

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Johnny-O's avatar

Yup, and countries have been selling off dollars and t-bills and buying gold. BRICS continues to gain strength. I think it will be a while before we see massive changes, but I certainly could be wrong. The Dollar still rules the world by a wide margin, but things have and are shifting.

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Jay Horton's avatar

....not when our credit lock up happens, again; remember 2008? Look it up. Then the money printing started and the rest is history. Banks are in trouble guys, so watch your step, please.

Later Jay

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Chevrus's avatar

Wilbur Ross

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