The other things about this that I wanted to mention is that:
1) Trump has always been demolishing the primary field. It's never been close. The narrative that it has been close or that he was losing ground was propaganda intended to pump DeSantis' campaign. I think most of us have figured this out by now, but DeSantis is the establishmen…
The other things about this that I wanted to mention is that:
1) Trump has always been demolishing the primary field. It's never been close. The narrative that it has been close or that he was losing ground was propaganda intended to pump DeSantis' campaign. I think most of us have figured this out by now, but DeSantis is the establishment's candidate, literally hand-picked - and heavily funded - in 2020 to run in 2024.
2) Trump has always been "tied with" "Biden," statistically speaking. The polls have shown this result for years. So, it's odd that only now are they starting to say this out loud. It tells me the establishment players are shifting away from Biden, probably to move away from him and toward Newsom. Their "reasons" will be that he is compromised by the oh-so-unfair investigations into influence peddling and that they need someone who can beat Trump b/c it's an "existential crisis for 'democracy.'"
Ha ha! Next time I hear "Trump is a threat to our democracy " I'm going to ask " what do you mean by that and what is your definition of democracy?".......I'm sure I'll get some kind of 3rd grade answer 😉.
Most people I've spoken with can't distinguish between a "democracy" and a "constitutional republic". They tend to think we have a pure democracy without even knowing how it's defined.
I saw someone talking recently (just can't remember who it was) about a poll taken shortly before the 2016 election. This poll stated that HRC had over a 96% chance of beating Trump. So much for their polls.
That was a model. I think it was Nate Silver's model. He's a leftist. Just as with covid and "climate change," what the models spit out are based on the assumptions that are built into them. Modeling is nothing more than fancified conjecture. Faulty assumptions - like Dems will have higher turnout or all the polls are picking up all the types of voter - will lead to terrible modeling...like the 2016 predictive models (similarly covid and climate change).
The problem in 2016 was that there was systematic bias across the polls. They all undercounted Trump voters and did not properly weight for that. To Silver's credit he did say all along that if there were some sort of systematic bias across the polls, it's very possible that Trump could win, despite his model predicting HRC as a clear winner.
For all the talk of the failures of 2016, no one is mentioning how much more accurate the polls were in 2020 and 2022.
THEY ALL still assert that Trump-Russia cheated to win 2016 and that they tried and failed again in 2020 ONLY due to the "reforms" that they implemented (Starting in Dec 2016-to Election Day+1, 2020) and efforts they took to stop him! How do the 2 "realities" reconcile??? ABSOLUTELY IMPOSSIBLE!!! It's going to be worse in '24 in many ways i believe. MassBalloting for Democratic Party activated Masses and MassCounting and demands for Instant Accurate results shoving the old complaining out of touch white folks and whoever aside and proclaiming "Let Freedom Ring!" while enslaving the masses by a Democratizing Marxism and Authoritarianism and calling it virtuous and progressive.
So he was selected before the 2020 election to run in 2024 no matter the outcome of 2020, you're saying? And how would you see it play out, if he's owned by the establishment - he gets to be anti-woke but his foreign policy would be the usual all-war-all-the-time? He was actually much slower to take a 'constitutional liberty' stand during COVID than many now think and are lead to believe, especially by him and his campaign, but once on board he either was a true believer or he fakes it extremely well; which of those do you think is more accurate?
Yes, exactly. The deep state has used the "left" narrative fully. It's now starting to hurt their credibility and pocketbooks. Which hurts their ability to start wars on the down low. So, they are going to try to turn the country rightward, as they did in the W years. Same playbook. Clinton leaned on race-baiting and racial animus. Then, W, the governor of a large "red" state, showed up as a response to that with what the left called "dog whistle racism." Same plan. Same timing even (~5 yrs as governor).
The establishment - especially the deep state/CIA - only cares about war. It's how they become rich, get clout on the world stage, and keep the billionaire class funding them happy. The rest of it is merely noise used to divide the populace. They are all essentially nonpartisan and see themselves as world citizens. World leaders, actually. They don't care at all about American cultural issues. They just use those to divide. They set up the elections so they always have a candidate. HW, W, Clinton (both), Gore, Kerry, McCain, Romney, Jeb...all essentially the same, and all on board with starting unprovoked decades-long wars.
The anti-covid tyranny role is the only one DeSantis has been able to pull off so far. (I feel he was tipped off before other governors that covid wasn't actually dangerous.) He just hasn't been able to play the part of anti-establishment, populist, man-of-the-people as they'd wished he would so he could supplant Trump (who somehow incomprehensibly does manage to pull off that role). RD is just not that guy and hasn't been able to fake it. And the base wants nothing to do with the (R) establishment b/c they've figured out what I mentioned above. The latest shift by team Ron D to "slitting throats of the deep state" is laughably propagandistic. Classic opposite-speak.
I think the reason Trump manages to pull off the 'role' of man-of-the-people, while being very wealthy personally, is that he likes working-class people and is very comfortable being with them and conversing with them. He builds buildings, as did his father, so he's been on job sites his whole life. It was from working-class people where I live, a poorer, rural area, that I learned of this affinity for Trump. It surprised me; I had been a Cruz supporter, but they didn't trust him (or basically any of the rest of that 17-person pool) as far as they could spit. I watched Gov. DeSantis in a social setting with Republican Party insiders once, and toward the end, it was clear to me that he was done, had other things he wanted to do, and really didn't want to pose with anyone else for a photo. For the last few, he could only come up with a pretty awful grimace instead of a smile. It's an annual event, no matter who the Republican Governor is, and I was told by longtime attendees that though they support RDS's policies more than they did some previous Republican Governors, there were aspects to the social event that indicated to them that he did not value them or really want to spend time with them. When I saw the 'throat' headline, I thought he was just trying to keep Vivek from getting to his right; it doesn't sound like him.
Good point. I find there is an honesty and directness to working class people that doesn't exist in the white collar professional class. In the white collar world, no one ever really says what they think. They speak around it, use euphemisms, and try to get people to understand what they think without actually saying what they think. In the working class world, you say what you think. Hence the reaction of the white collar professional class to Trump. It's actually mostly bias against a working class style. A "that's not appropriate" reaction. Maybe that aligns with Trump's personal style better and has drawn him to working class people.
I also think on some level he saw a market and seized it. He thought his former friends in elite circles would understand, and maybe not like that he won, but at least accept it and work with him. Instead, they turned on him completely and tried to destroy him, and as he's made a point to say, his family. Had they left his family alone, I think he may have just left after a term.
But, now it's personal, and it takes him one step closer to what has happened to the working class (turned on by the Dems, then Republicans, and subject to an attempt to destroy their lives).
DeSantis seems like a nouveau elite with an introvert personality type to me. He would be better as a VP candidate. Or a behind-the-scenes guy. He looks very uncomfortable in most social settings and seems to want to get away from people. He also isn't good at speaking to the working class - he comes across as if he is trying to communicate with space aliens when he talks to them. "Good people of Oklahoma...keep doing Oklahoma things...now take me to your leader" type stuff. (I'm somewhat joking, of course.) I'm not sure he's aware that he is the one the (R) establishment chose to be their nominee. They seem to now have regrets. A lot can happen before the vote, but he doesn't look good right now.
The working class people see very clearly that unlike many people in politics, Trump doesn’t have contempt for them. Many of the others pretend to be there to defend the interests of the working class but are really just using them to get power. They despise them and to anyone paying attention, it shows.
You had me laughing out loud at the end of your comment! I too think RDS is an introvert. Over time, I realized I had never given Trump a chance in the 2016 primary. I never sought to find out what he said, I had somehow absorbed the mainstream attitude toward him. (The "grab 'em" audio certainly didn't help; it offended my husband even more than it did me, I think.) I voted for him, because Hillary and because Hillsdale College President Larry Arnn said he had set a former student to find what Trump had said that was anti-constitutional, and he didn't find anything. And the list for the Supreme Court. At any rate, I was so thrilled with his policies, pre-COVID, and then I felt like a fool who'd been taken in *again* by the mainstream.
The other things about this that I wanted to mention is that:
1) Trump has always been demolishing the primary field. It's never been close. The narrative that it has been close or that he was losing ground was propaganda intended to pump DeSantis' campaign. I think most of us have figured this out by now, but DeSantis is the establishment's candidate, literally hand-picked - and heavily funded - in 2020 to run in 2024.
2) Trump has always been "tied with" "Biden," statistically speaking. The polls have shown this result for years. So, it's odd that only now are they starting to say this out loud. It tells me the establishment players are shifting away from Biden, probably to move away from him and toward Newsom. Their "reasons" will be that he is compromised by the oh-so-unfair investigations into influence peddling and that they need someone who can beat Trump b/c it's an "existential crisis for 'democracy.'"
Ha ha! Next time I hear "Trump is a threat to our democracy " I'm going to ask " what do you mean by that and what is your definition of democracy?".......I'm sure I'll get some kind of 3rd grade answer 😉.
Most people I've spoken with can't distinguish between a "democracy" and a "constitutional republic". They tend to think we have a pure democracy without even knowing how it's defined.
Bingo!!! And the 3rd grade answer would be "Trump is a big poo poo head!"
Yeah they complain all the time about how mean he is and about his name calling but call him Orange Cheeto 🙄 Hypocrites (but that’s nothing new 🙄).
Occasionally I will fill out a mail survey, until I see the twisted logic questions to elicit a certain answer. Then it hits the burn barrel.
I saw someone talking recently (just can't remember who it was) about a poll taken shortly before the 2016 election. This poll stated that HRC had over a 96% chance of beating Trump. So much for their polls.
That was a model. I think it was Nate Silver's model. He's a leftist. Just as with covid and "climate change," what the models spit out are based on the assumptions that are built into them. Modeling is nothing more than fancified conjecture. Faulty assumptions - like Dems will have higher turnout or all the polls are picking up all the types of voter - will lead to terrible modeling...like the 2016 predictive models (similarly covid and climate change).
The problem in 2016 was that there was systematic bias across the polls. They all undercounted Trump voters and did not properly weight for that. To Silver's credit he did say all along that if there were some sort of systematic bias across the polls, it's very possible that Trump could win, despite his model predicting HRC as a clear winner.
For all the talk of the failures of 2016, no one is mentioning how much more accurate the polls were in 2020 and 2022.
THEY ALL still assert that Trump-Russia cheated to win 2016 and that they tried and failed again in 2020 ONLY due to the "reforms" that they implemented (Starting in Dec 2016-to Election Day+1, 2020) and efforts they took to stop him! How do the 2 "realities" reconcile??? ABSOLUTELY IMPOSSIBLE!!! It's going to be worse in '24 in many ways i believe. MassBalloting for Democratic Party activated Masses and MassCounting and demands for Instant Accurate results shoving the old complaining out of touch white folks and whoever aside and proclaiming "Let Freedom Ring!" while enslaving the masses by a Democratizing Marxism and Authoritarianism and calling it virtuous and progressive.
So he was selected before the 2020 election to run in 2024 no matter the outcome of 2020, you're saying? And how would you see it play out, if he's owned by the establishment - he gets to be anti-woke but his foreign policy would be the usual all-war-all-the-time? He was actually much slower to take a 'constitutional liberty' stand during COVID than many now think and are lead to believe, especially by him and his campaign, but once on board he either was a true believer or he fakes it extremely well; which of those do you think is more accurate?
Yes, exactly. The deep state has used the "left" narrative fully. It's now starting to hurt their credibility and pocketbooks. Which hurts their ability to start wars on the down low. So, they are going to try to turn the country rightward, as they did in the W years. Same playbook. Clinton leaned on race-baiting and racial animus. Then, W, the governor of a large "red" state, showed up as a response to that with what the left called "dog whistle racism." Same plan. Same timing even (~5 yrs as governor).
The establishment - especially the deep state/CIA - only cares about war. It's how they become rich, get clout on the world stage, and keep the billionaire class funding them happy. The rest of it is merely noise used to divide the populace. They are all essentially nonpartisan and see themselves as world citizens. World leaders, actually. They don't care at all about American cultural issues. They just use those to divide. They set up the elections so they always have a candidate. HW, W, Clinton (both), Gore, Kerry, McCain, Romney, Jeb...all essentially the same, and all on board with starting unprovoked decades-long wars.
The anti-covid tyranny role is the only one DeSantis has been able to pull off so far. (I feel he was tipped off before other governors that covid wasn't actually dangerous.) He just hasn't been able to play the part of anti-establishment, populist, man-of-the-people as they'd wished he would so he could supplant Trump (who somehow incomprehensibly does manage to pull off that role). RD is just not that guy and hasn't been able to fake it. And the base wants nothing to do with the (R) establishment b/c they've figured out what I mentioned above. The latest shift by team Ron D to "slitting throats of the deep state" is laughably propagandistic. Classic opposite-speak.
I think the reason Trump manages to pull off the 'role' of man-of-the-people, while being very wealthy personally, is that he likes working-class people and is very comfortable being with them and conversing with them. He builds buildings, as did his father, so he's been on job sites his whole life. It was from working-class people where I live, a poorer, rural area, that I learned of this affinity for Trump. It surprised me; I had been a Cruz supporter, but they didn't trust him (or basically any of the rest of that 17-person pool) as far as they could spit. I watched Gov. DeSantis in a social setting with Republican Party insiders once, and toward the end, it was clear to me that he was done, had other things he wanted to do, and really didn't want to pose with anyone else for a photo. For the last few, he could only come up with a pretty awful grimace instead of a smile. It's an annual event, no matter who the Republican Governor is, and I was told by longtime attendees that though they support RDS's policies more than they did some previous Republican Governors, there were aspects to the social event that indicated to them that he did not value them or really want to spend time with them. When I saw the 'throat' headline, I thought he was just trying to keep Vivek from getting to his right; it doesn't sound like him.
Good point. I find there is an honesty and directness to working class people that doesn't exist in the white collar professional class. In the white collar world, no one ever really says what they think. They speak around it, use euphemisms, and try to get people to understand what they think without actually saying what they think. In the working class world, you say what you think. Hence the reaction of the white collar professional class to Trump. It's actually mostly bias against a working class style. A "that's not appropriate" reaction. Maybe that aligns with Trump's personal style better and has drawn him to working class people.
I also think on some level he saw a market and seized it. He thought his former friends in elite circles would understand, and maybe not like that he won, but at least accept it and work with him. Instead, they turned on him completely and tried to destroy him, and as he's made a point to say, his family. Had they left his family alone, I think he may have just left after a term.
But, now it's personal, and it takes him one step closer to what has happened to the working class (turned on by the Dems, then Republicans, and subject to an attempt to destroy their lives).
DeSantis seems like a nouveau elite with an introvert personality type to me. He would be better as a VP candidate. Or a behind-the-scenes guy. He looks very uncomfortable in most social settings and seems to want to get away from people. He also isn't good at speaking to the working class - he comes across as if he is trying to communicate with space aliens when he talks to them. "Good people of Oklahoma...keep doing Oklahoma things...now take me to your leader" type stuff. (I'm somewhat joking, of course.) I'm not sure he's aware that he is the one the (R) establishment chose to be their nominee. They seem to now have regrets. A lot can happen before the vote, but he doesn't look good right now.
Good comment.
The working class people see very clearly that unlike many people in politics, Trump doesn’t have contempt for them. Many of the others pretend to be there to defend the interests of the working class but are really just using them to get power. They despise them and to anyone paying attention, it shows.
Speaking of RDS "not looking good right now,"
"DeSantis says [Trump's] 2020 election fraud theories did not prove to be true"
Self-immolation.
https://flvoicenews.com/desantis-says-2020-election-fraud-theories-did-not-prove-to-be-true/
You had me laughing out loud at the end of your comment! I too think RDS is an introvert. Over time, I realized I had never given Trump a chance in the 2016 primary. I never sought to find out what he said, I had somehow absorbed the mainstream attitude toward him. (The "grab 'em" audio certainly didn't help; it offended my husband even more than it did me, I think.) I voted for him, because Hillary and because Hillsdale College President Larry Arnn said he had set a former student to find what Trump had said that was anti-constitutional, and he didn't find anything. And the list for the Supreme Court. At any rate, I was so thrilled with his policies, pre-COVID, and then I felt like a fool who'd been taken in *again* by the mainstream.