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Jeff C's avatar

Regarding Trump, he never publicly admits a mistake, that's just how he operates. We may see that as a character flaw, but for him it's part of a very successful system he has used over the course of his life.

Scott Adams explains how Trump uses "systems thinking" rather than reacting to every incident individually. He has patterns that he uses where he always reacts to specific types of events in the same, time-proven manner (such as how he attacks seemingly trivial figures that attacked him first). These often leave us shaking our head as we don't understand the reaction's logic in the specific incident. But that's because we don't understand his system.

I'm sure Trump admits he made a mistake to his kids when he does something in error, he's not evil. However he realizes that admitting an error or apologizing publicly is seen as an admission of guilt and is a weakness. This is particularly the case when his adversaries are acting in bad faith (which the left and Never Trump always are). He's smart and knows that you never admit being wrong to anyone acting in bad faith, as it will always be used against you. Apologies are reserved for those acting in good faith, of which there are virtually none in politics.

Once you understand this is how Trump operates, and it's a proven system and not just pigheadedness, his behavior makes a lot more sense. If he was out actively telling people to get more boosters or pushing mandates then I'd think about this much differently. But he isn't.

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Fla Mom's avatar

I think you nailed it, and it has surprised me that more people don't see him that way.

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RU's avatar

Thank you for sharing this. It seems spot-on IMO, from my own observations and from conversations with people I know who worked with him in the past. He's always thinking big picture. We also have to remember where he did a lot of his business: NY and NJ. IOW, he is pretty used to dealing with government overreach, unions, and of course, the mafia. Nothing would describe the current state of the US's bureaucratic machine better than to say it's a combination of government overreach, union grift, and mafia bullying. He knows how to work these people.

I have to laugh when people call Trump dumb. His style of speech is not "educated white collar professional," which is why people call him dumb. Basically, they don't like the way he talks, so they call him dumb. I see this trait of his as a plus, because frankly, it is mealy-mouthed educated white collar double-speak that got us into this mess in the first place. "Interconnected global trade relations" sounds a whole lot better to voters than saying: "we're going to take your jobs away from you and give them to people in other countries who will work for less and can work for less b/c their government doesn't yet cause their wages to be inflated by 100% or more with safety regulations." We need more straight talk. The media lies. Illegals are criminals. Etc.

As far as OWS/the clot shots: 1) he was the PR person for a business initiative. If someone has pics of him in a lab developing and testing the shots, please share. 2) He was lied to just like the rest of us. 3) He did not mandate anything, and he fought both masks and lockdowns. 4) He did what he thought was the right thing for his country in speaking for a program that delivered something nearly everyone was begging for.

We may not like it or agree with #4 above, but that was the case. The vast majority of people were begging for a "vaccine." Yes, that was dumb. No, they were not needed. Yes, people were fooled. Including people I know who are WAY more conservative than me. Doesn't matter.

Trump did his best to combat the fear porn by refusing to wear a mask, saying the virus wasn't that dangerous, calling for reopening, etc. But he lost b/c the entire information ecosystem, including current allies like Fox, X/Twitter, etc. were all in on the vaccines and all the "public health" measures at the start. Every time he said something rational (and true) he was called a murderer, with a literal death toll being shown on every news channel every minute of every day. So, maybe he's due a little grace considering he was the only accessible public figure trying to inject some reason and sanity.

Excellent point also that he brags about his role as PR person, but doesn't say people should go get more shots. That's a point I had missed and it's very telling.

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Jeff C's avatar

Same here on people calling him dumb. Know-it-alls who have never accomplished anything in their lives, think a guy who won the presidency with no political experience, is worth $6B, lives in a mansion with gold-plated toilets, and is surrounded by beautiful women is dumb. Dumb but lucky I guess.

Everything else you said I completely agree with, you put it beautifully.

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Johnny-O's avatar

If you want to believe that Trump didn't know better because he believes the permanent state goons, well that's fine. You then have to reconcile the fact he got duped by the very people he claims he was going to take down. How do you think that is going to play out? And idiots like me knew not to trust the pandemic narrative and clot shot but the five dimensional chess player Trump couldn't figure it out? C’mon!

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RU's avatar

You should drop the TDS for a bit. As I've asked you before and you didn't answer: who's your better candidate? It's easy to throw rocks at everyone else, though, right?

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Johnny-O's avatar

Last time I checked, it's not a requirement for a citizen to vote and support the lesser evil candidate. The fact that so many here are ardent supporters of someone who was complicit with the greatest crime against humanity in the history of the world is mind boggling to me. You are the people who owe some explanations, not me.

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RU's avatar

There's nothing helpful about refusing to take a position and then throwing rocks at everyone who at least makes an attempt. The people who don't vote "cause" all of this mess just as much or more than the people who do.

The main point is - I don't agree with you that Trump was "complicit." By your standard, every politician and business leader in the world was more "complicit." Every medical professional who called for "vaccine" development, administered them, or suggested patients take them was more complicit. Every individual citizen who demanded a "vaccine" or encouraged someone they know to take one was more complicit. Which amounts to...the vast majority of humanity. So, roughly 5-6B people are more responsible for this than Trump.

Because Trump tried to stop the panic. No panic = no "vaccines." Trump was pretty much the ONLY public figure early-on trying to calm people down, which would have helped the world avoid the "vaccines" altogether if they had listened to him. The advisors he chose advocated against panic, against lockdowns, and against masks. Taking their advice would have meant the "vaccines" may never have been developed, or at the least would have resulted in less uptake. Of course, they were all de-platformed and fired...

As always, the deep state used narrative control to drive popular demand to get its way.

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Johnny-O's avatar

Excuses. You can't excuse the greatest crime against humanity. He was complicit because he had to have known they were dangerous. That makes him one of the worst criminals of all time. If he didn't know, he's an utter fool and deserves to be nowhere near the WH. Catherine Austin Fits said if she were president she would have to taken a bullet to the head over this issue, and so would I.

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RU's avatar

LOL. Like I said - and demonstrated - he was not complicit. Pretty much everyone else on the planet was, as much or more than him. And no, he did not "have to know" and having not known doesn't make one an "utter fool." Those are just self-aggrandizing and obviously false statements.

Continue to do TDS if you like, but please don't reply to my comments. I don't need the waste of my time in explaining my logic and getting logically poor, inflammatory responses.

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Johnny-O's avatar

Orwell is rolling... Goodbye

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RU's avatar

"Orwell"...more self-aggrandizement. Goodbye, take care. (BTW, nothing shows your real intentions better than spending Easter Sunday trying to undermine the (R) nominee by attacking comments from a 3-day old post. LOL!)

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Johnny-O's avatar

Self aggrandizing is only happening on your end of the conversation. I'm trying to raise awareness to people that they are supporting someone complicit with the depopulation campaign. I'm sorry saying the truth about your idol is difficult. I'm also sorry I was busy and don't always have time to respond to a random comment. You don't agree with me so you attack me and my intentions. Sorry, my intentions are pure, you just disagree with me.

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Kathy's avatar

I think what some of us are concerned with, is not that he should have known better back then, but NOW we have evidence that the shots are dangerous and deadly, and that they must be stopped immediately. Otherwise new ones will keep coming at us and our brainwashed fellow citizens will still line up for them. That would include my whole family. I don’t blame him for the development of the shots at all. I just want him to protect us from them now. I would love it if he told his loyal followers to avoid the jab.

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RU's avatar

My take is that it's not really his job to do this. I think a big lesson - maybe the biggest lesson - of the Trump era is a reminder that we need to make our own decisions and not rely on government or "leaders" or "superheroes" for information or guidance. It was always true, it's just that many of us forgot. Trump helped remind us what liars they all are. All of them.

That said, I don't think that it would make a difference. I can tell you of the dozens of people I know across my extended family who are Trump supporters not one of them would or would not take the shot b/c of what Trump said. It hasn't affected their decisions to date. It's just not a consideration. They are adults making their own (sometimes poor) decisions.

And really, politically, let's be real...if he said 'they're poison, stop taking them,' what is that going to do for the entrenched PTB that own the media, the schools, the medical system? It's going to drive more lefties their way for shots. And they'll use it as ammo again to get their base excited. Like they did when he said masks don't work, and we ended up with mask mandates. Or when he said covid had an IFR below 1%, and they screeched it could be as high as 5%. Or, when he said reopen things, and they called him a murderer.

I think he's threading the needle just fine. Given what he's survived so far, I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt. He might just be better at politics than all of us here.

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CitizenA's avatar

RU, you make logical sense and do not employ emotions/feeling to make your point(s). TY.

I voted for Trump twice and voted for him in the primary this year. Yet as much as I was glad he was our president, and want him to become #47, I did NOT take the shot. That is/was MY personal decision and I do not follow blindly what anyone says, no matter who they are.

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Willing Spirit's avatar

You would love it if he lost the election or got ‘removed’. You do not know in what way he might act to achieve the greatest good. You don’t care.

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P Flournoy's avatar

Thank you for that in-depth explanation because it has really bothered me. But I see the logic in it and deep down. I think that was kind of what I was thinking, but didn’t know how to verbalize it.

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KATHERINE JERNIGAN's avatar

I agree. But why can’t he just not say anything about the vax? “If you can’t say anything nice, then just don’t say anything at all.”

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Jeff C's avatar

Yeah, that does drive me nuts too.

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EverybodyDuck's avatar

The enemy (whatever you want to call them) played Trump's ego perfectly to roll him on Convid and the "vaccine." While this is infuriating, and self-inflicted, the second Trump backtracks on either, he will be absolutely crushed. After 4 years of ignoring and censoring the impact of lockdowns, and millions of vaxx injuries and deaths, the corrupt to the core media and social media platforms will pivot instantly to turn over every rock looking for anybody injured/killed by "Trump's vaxx" or harmed by "Trump's lockdown." They'll throw ANY person, institution, or company under the bus while doing so. Splitting hairs over who implemented lockdowns or mandated vaccines won't matter. It's a trap the enemy is waiting to spring.

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laura-ann Knox's avatar

Thank you for this, Jeff. On the rare occasion that I "argue Trump" with anyone, I also remind them that his errors or mistakes were not intended to harm us, the citizens. Unlike the Dems, whose entire EXISTENCE is devoted to harming us.

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Johnny-O's avatar

A depopulation campaign Trump was complicit in wasn't intended to harm?? How exactly can you come to this conclusion?

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Kathy's avatar

Occam’s razor: Trump has narcissistic personality disorder. People with NPD can never never never never admit that they are wrong or made a mistake, or even that they were fooled by others. It is not possible. In spite of this, I would much rather see him win over Biden. I wouldn’t write off Kennedy that quickly. I know work with plenty of disenchanted Republicans that seem undaunted by his VP pick. They admire her poverty to riches and success story. There are also more independents in the US than Democrats or Republicans. People who were all in for Trump never would’ve voted for Kennedy anyway. I also understand the gratitude of many Trump voters who credit him with picking the judges to overturn Roe v Wade. They are not wrong there. I bailed on the Dems (who now horrify me) and will be voting for a lot of Republicans. I constantly remind people that the Democrats were the pro slavery party before the Civil War, and that today it seems like the Republicans are the ones trying to defend the constitution However, I am no longer tribal. I feel the divisiveness in this country is toxic and killing us. And while we are drowning in this poison of animosity between the two parties, the globalists are around our next like a boa constrictor, and pouring gasoline on the fire. They love it when we fight each other. And fighting each other is even sometimes a form of addiction. That’s one of many reasons why I like Kennedy. I think that he is the only one who can protect us from the carnivorous agency capture that is devouring our health, safety and money. If he can’t win, I hope Trump does. Please understand that by saying this, my entire family would shoot me! Give me some credit here even though I probably just upset some of you. I respect all of you. We are all Americans, and I believe we are all fighting to overcome evil in our different ways.

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RJ Rambler's avatar

And this has benefited him in the world but it's a spiritual flaw. 😞

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Jeff C's avatar

I'm not so sure I agree with that. The Bible does not tell us we must extend the same courtesies to those acting in bad faith that we do to those in good faith. Forgiveness follows repentance (a good faith act of sorrow) it's not automatic. Standing up to evil (a judgmental act that the Bible commands) is by it's very definition hostile and confrontational.

It's a complicated question that I don't fully comprehend. But going along with people acting in bad faith to make them feel better is why we now have some churches waving trans flags. Recall also that absurd Superbowl commercial which had Christ washing the feet of proud, unrepentant sinners. That's not the Jesus of the Bible.

Clearly there's a point where Christians are compelled to say enough. I'd say that refusing to apologize to people acting in deliberate, outright, bad faith falls in line with that.

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ViaVeritasVita's avatar

Just finished Proverbs an hour or so ago. So many of these wise sayings point to just that: how to deal with the wicked/evil. And how to deal with the poor/just. Differently.

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Tom's avatar

Many people took the shot because they trusted him.

Those people were not acting in bad faith.

Many of those people are now dead.

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Jeff C's avatar

So what are we going to do Tom, hang him in the public square? This isn't a rhetorical question.

He promoted the shot when he believed in it, and he took the shot himself if you remember. So why it may have been foolish, it wasn't disingenuous or hypocritical. And when the did the President of the US become people's personal physician? I have tremendous admiration for President Trump but didn't take the shot because I think for myself.

My former pastor (now retired) who is by just about every standard a great, sincere man also urged the congregation to take the shot. He did this because he had buried almost two dozen people from Covid deaths (it's a big church) and believed Public Health officials were acting in good faith. Of course he was wrong and I didn't follow his recommendation again because I think for myself.

I don't know what to tell you except that people are responsible for their own actions. And if anyone allows an experimental injection to be pumped into them because their president, pastor, or some other person told them too then they are fools. We all make mistakes and hopefully people learn from them but blaming Trump for people taking the shot is beyond absurd. Trump took the shot and recommended others also do it. They then made the choice, not Trump.

Yet people insist he do the sackcloth and ashes routine on this as if every single vax recipient didn't say "yes" and acquiesce. These purity tests are going to destroy our last hope to stop the Bolsheviks from taking over the country. I hope it's just foolish thinking but I really am starting to wonder exactly what is going through people's heads.

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Ruth H's avatar

Excellent response. I too think for myself and did not get the jab, even though I voted for Trump and will again. Trump tried to offer suggestions and was mocked unmercifully. FDA even had to finally be forced to remove their You’re Not a Horse or a Cow posts. The agencies with ties to Big Pharma fought Trump at every suggestion

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Peter GL's avatar

Personally I think many churches advocated the jab and closures so as not to lose their tax exempt status. I hope I'm wrong, but that's what I think

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Ryan Gardner's avatar

no it was simply because they coward in the face of social tyranny.

they forgot 2 Timothy 1:7

shame on them

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Willing Spirit's avatar

You’re on a roll today, Jeff C!

So much common and Godly sense.

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Tom's avatar

There's a big difference between hanging someone in a public square and expecting accountability from someone who had it under their purview to require that an "Emergency Authorization" not be implemented under false pretenses. I seem to remember him also promoting hydroxychloroquine, which would preclude the use of an EUA.

If he was unable to say "the buck stops here" then, he will be unable to say it in the future.

"He took the shot when he believed in it." I can't attest to what anyone put in their arm, especially if they did it to further a narrative.

It's up to you, where you put your faith.

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Johnny-O's avatar

If Trump truly did take the shot, it speaks to his intelligence…

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Ryan Gardner's avatar

so now they're voting Democrat....:)

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sweettooth's avatar

Well, if I remember correctly he also said he never asked God for forgiveness, So well, quite spiritually flawed.

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YYR's avatar

Was it The Great Santini? "Never apologize, it's a sign of weakness."

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Johnny-O's avatar

He unleashed the clot shots. That is the definition of evil.

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Jeff C's avatar

Your one dimensional thinking is the reason we will likely lose this country to people who actively hate us and are satanic. You demand purity to your specific belief set which no one can attain.

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Johnny-O's avatar

Yes, wanting people who are responsible for the biggest crime against humanity in world history to be held accountable is dangerous. Wow. You are the dangerous one if you are unable to see how Orwellian this is.

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YYR's avatar

LOL. Give me a break.

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patrick.net/memes's avatar

I agree. Trump promoted pure evil by promoting the toxxine.

He either knew they were dangerous and worse than ineffective, or he should have known.

My bet is that Trump knew that Pfauci's virus and the vaxx were a DoD/Pfizer operation all along:

https://patrick.net/post/1378399/2023-01-27-it-was-the-dod-all-along-trump-knew

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Mary Ann Caton's avatar

The shots were released by the Defense Dept. and the National Security agencies. The mRNA platform had been around since at least 2005 and everyone in the know was dying to find a reason to use them. Here's the best explanation I've seen yet: https://petermcculloughmd.substack.com/p/why-was-mrna-the-government-vaccine

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shayne's avatar

Agree with everything you wrote, Jeff

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Dianne Denson's avatar

Excellent analysis Jeff C. 👏

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Porge's avatar

Great comment Jeff C ! Thank you!

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Willing Spirit's avatar

Finally. A fair assessment. A non-hate filled examination.

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Penny North's avatar

Interesting. Thank you.

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