Asked my dr to prescribe HCQ and her response was "Our governor won't let us." Six months later, I repeated the request to learn "Mercy Medical won't allow it". I go in to her in a month and will ask again. If I get the same response, it will be time to find a new health care provider as my supply will be low.
So basically, your doctor is really not your doctor. You should say, “well I guess you’re not my doctor then, it’s really the governor and Mercy Medical. You’re just a tech following their orders.” I bet that would make them mad 😬
Yeah, and it will go into your medical record. "Non-compliant" or as I was told 5 years ago, "medication resistant". My PCP who has now moved on to be a vascular surgeon, could not believe the report that my physical therapist wrote about my 3 month stint. The fact that PT was one of the only truly helpful treatments I've ever had did not occur to her. She was shocked. I'm PCPless now and it feels good.
I hate that. “Non-compliant.” Like you’re a toddler or something. Very revealing that it is not a collaboration but a hierarchical relationship. Which I completely disagree with and I think is detrimental to care and outcomes, not to mention dignity.
To be labeled “non-compliant” is in some ways like being labeled a racist. Dig below the surface and it’s almost always just a silly insult. We need to learn to ignore stuff like that. When I was in NP practice I always wrote “declined” rather than “refused” because it was less judgmental. Patients were the ultimate decision-makers in their care and I wanted the chart to reflect that.
And should you consider a malpractice complaint against one of them ... the lawyers who "specialize in malpractice suits" close ranks fast, and tell you you do not have a valid complaint - with no explanation as to why.
Thirty years ago, my sister was in a car accident. She died at the hospital. She was almost 28, healthy, and had her whole life ahead of her. When we got to the hospital, we were told she was brain dead. The hospital hounded her husband to donate her organs before her heart stopped because “the organs start to decay immediately.” He refused. Mom asked for a second opinion. They gave one, but it was an “I concur with the other doctor,” and the doctor who gave it didn’t even come in the room and talk to us. She had swelling in the brain, but they didn’t give her any anti-inflammatories.
We later found out that she had a broken neck, which was surprising since she wasn’t wearing a neck brace, and that the hospital was an organ harvesting one. (Organ harvesting is big business.)
I’d never been that inclined to trust doctors, but that sealed the deal. All of us believed that they let her die in hopes of getting her organs.
Her death broke my parents, although I didn’t realize it until several years later. It almost broke me. Luckily, I had my family. I loved them and vice versa. We bolstered each other up.
So sorry for your tragic loss! To facilitate organ donation, the definition of death was changed to "brain death" because a beating heart is required to keep the organs alive. Organ donation is big business and big money. Sorry I am so cynical, but these last 3 years have solidified my cynicism.
There’s no need to apologize to me. I’m as cynical, if not more so, than you. Truly, I’m with you 100%. The definition of brain dead has not changed for the past 50 years or more. (I think they defined it in the 60s. They make a crap ton of money with organ transplants and donations. It’s a kill Peter to save Paul situation. If people know this going in, that’s one thing, but most don’t.
Oh wow 😢 That is horrible. How heartbreaking for your whole family, and what a betrayal from the doctors and hospital. I’m so sorry you and your family had to experience that 😞
Went to heart doctor about 6 months ago just to get a baseline. My cholesterol was high, which I knew going in.
We chit-chatted and I point blank told him “I don’t like to take drugs, I try to not even take Advil if I can help it”.
He nodded his head and then told me “well, you need to go on statins and they’ve been proven to be beneficial and safe”.
Only reason I’ll go back is to discuss my stress test results, but I’m not taking a damn statin.
I have read some that eating grapefruit daily will fix high cholesterol, but I don’t know for sure. Anyway, I don’t trust them anymore, he should have worked on a plan with me that modified my diet and anything else that would naturally reduce it and let me live with the “risk” of it still be high.
My doc doesn't buy into all this masking/vaccination for covid crap either, but the place he works with will not let him prescribe either one so he can't write the script. This is the #1 reason why DeSantis should make it over-the-counter so people can actually get it. Insurance and medical conglomerates will not allow doctors to write those scripts.
I think Tennessee passed a law to allow Ivm to be sold over the counter. I don't understand why they beat us to it, when Florida is supposed to be the "free" state.
who get billions of $ of government Medicare money which means the government sets the rules and CDC says physicians must follow their protocol...kill ‘‘em with respirators and remdesivir and no ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine. Hospital systems fire or take away medical license of any who go outside CDC protocol. Hospital systems are not going to lose their cash government cow. Remember Covid jab received emergency approval because there WAS NO DRUG IN THE CDC PROTOCOL THAT WORKED.
All of the OTC meds I've ever seen have written somewhere on the packaging or insert not to take if you have xxxx disease, etc. It also says to talk to your doctor before taking any medications. So, they all say stuff like this. HCQ and IVM are VERY safe for most everyone, but some it isn't. Same can be said for Aspirin.
Yes it is true most drugs have lengthy warnings (except mRNA with "intentionally left blank") but as someone who has a lengthened QT interval, I don't rely upon my doctor to decide if I should take a drug which can give me SADS.
Woody, your lengthened QT interval is a clear contraindication and the doctor would not prescribe. But it should be available for others who aren't those rare QTrs like you.
Exactly. I grew up in the Philippines and even though I never contracted malaria, some school mates did. When Covid struck, I was talking to one of them and they laughed at the ban on "hydroxy"...they had taken it as a malarial medication for over 20 years with no side effects. That was one among many things that tipped me off in March 2020 that this was a massive scam.
Since the pharma has immunity with the covid shots, they don't need to list any side effects because with immunity, there are no side effects that will affect the pharma companies.
Skip asking the M.D. (mentally deficient) and order it from an online supplier in India. The majority of pharms are manufactured in countries other than the U.S. so, don't get too overly concerned about where it is shipped from. I have been buying my one pharm that I need from Canada for years now at about 25% the cost of the same thing purchased in the U.S.. Not sure why more people do not go outside the borders for pharm, but here is your chance to try it.
Can you share your source? I’ve been a little afraid to buy IVM & HCQ out of India but I would like to have it on hand instead of relying on the horse paste 🤣
CraigN- I have been ordering from them for years! I first learned about them from an online skincare forum- many of the women were ordering Retin A from them, where it is a LOT cheaper than here in the U.S.
I wonder how it's worked out shipping to someplace like Canada (where I live)? The last time I ordered IVM from abroad, the Canadian Health lunatics seized it at the border.
Not sure why my comment is being posted more than once -- sorry! Just saying I've ordered from Home Lab Veterinary for 2 years now. They're based in Ukraine (!!) but there's never been a problem getting the order cheaply and quickly. They've got pills, paste or liquid: https://homelabvet.com/product/ivermectin-capsules-3mg-50caps/
Agree, our source. However, one large order was labeled “lost” in tracking at NY distribution. Our bad luck, but next was fine. It was post office lost in USA. Hmmm.
You can purchase Ivermectin in the US. I have purchased multiple times. He gets it from India. Totally legit. Fast shipping. Ships discreet. Have been happy every time. You can read all about it here. You can order a full box or half a box. https://www.ivermectin.com
To order drugs from overseas pharmacies (like in Canada) you need a current prescription. Sometimes the wait is pretty long to receive them, but the prices are indeed considerably lower than in the U.S. on certain prescriptions.
I always get a paper script so I can shop around. Yes, it does take several weeks to get your order filled. I didn't say this, but I usually have the script filled at several different pharmacies, so I have enough on hand when I am waiting for my order. Plus, since this is something that I am going to be on for life I don't have to incur an office visit charge just to get a script every year. 😉
I called 4 pharmacies in one city last week so can’t apply this to the entire state. I asked if they had OTC IVM. All said no.
The possibilities?
- They legit don’t have it
- They might have some in-person requirement to respond in the affirmative?
- They might deny having it and not mention the (possible) in-person requirement for requesting it?
- As @KatLee says, they might have a requirement for some form to be filled out and not mention such when a phone inquiry is made?
- Other?
I question not the intent of the new law (to make IVM available OTC) but the execution by pharmacies/pharmacists. Is there availability-fixing afoot? I don’t know. I just found it interesting -and frustrating- to hit a dead end.
Also, just read this “ The bill states that a pharmacist can provide Ivermectin to a patient, who is 18 years of age or older, “pursuant to a valid collaborative pharmacy practice agreement containing a non-patient-specific prescriptive order and standardized procedures developed and executed by one or more authorized prescribers.”
That means that adults can explain their symptoms to the pharmacist, fill out a sheet listing any preexisting conditions and other medications they are taking, and the pharmacist can determine the right dosage.”
A friend used a compounding pharmacy in Lenoir City, Fresh Pharmacy. She said she had to fill out a form, they ordered it for her and she picked it up. I’ve spoke to the pharmacist there before and he was very helpful so you may give them a call and find out what gives. I ordered mine from India before TN passed the law so haven’t had the need to find out. https://freshdrugs.com/
When I go back to my doctor next month (who wouldn't prescribe ivermectin because Advent would let him) I am going to remind him HE works for ME and I don't appreciate Advent dictating my choices of medication.
Joyce...good luck with that. My doctor also works for AdventHealth and says he cannot prescribe because CDC says so.
SO...unless you go to SOLE PRACTITIONER ...good luck.
Doctors work for hospital systems
who get billions of $ of government Medicare money which means the government sets the rules and CDC says physicians must follow their protocol...kill ‘‘em with respirators and remdesivir and no ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine. Hospital systems fire or take away medical license of any who go outside CDC protocol. Hospital systems are not going to lose their cash government cow. Remember Covid jab received emergency approval because there WAS NO DRUG IN THE CDC PROTOCOL THAT WORKED.
Dr. John Thomas Littell has offices in Kissimmee and Ocala. He gave ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine to those with Covid. I recommended many and he prescribed to those as far away as Oregon and Wisconsin.
My doc is with Advent - he is the only one in the large practice who is prescribing Ivermectin. When talking about the Ivm/Covid issue, he said, "What they're doing is criminal"
I left my doctor when she promoted an untested never before administered injection without doing her own research like a good little soldier. There’s your litmus test.
I left my kids’ pediatrician when he prioritized “the community” over his patient. He wouldn’t give a mask exemption and didn’t even want to see, talk to, or examine my 10 year old son about his difficulties wearing a mask.
just told that yesterday to my dad in Europe. That story did not even make it across the ocean. Belgium has never heard of either med that could have saved people.
I looked it up more than a year ago and neither was available there, otherwise I would have ordered it and send to them.
My sister in Ireland who worked with horses sent me back in the day an insulting text laughing her arse off saying she had put gallons of horse paste up horses arses. And how stupid people were—insinuating me. She had No idea what she was yapping about but what her radio (she doesn’t have a tv.) told her and her precious Guardian newspaper paper. She still buys it all. Bless her but sometimes I’m glad she is there and not here in USA.
I know. But that’s what she said. Maybe a different preparation there. . I turned her off for awhile after that. But then she is often on morphine or god knows what else for back pain. She has changed considerably.
That’s hilarious, it’s like saying don’t take Prozac because dogs can take it 🙄 I want to start calling that “dog antidepressant” like they call ivermectin “horse dewormer.” Does she think the people in Africa who take it are all idiots too, then? Racist 😛
Let's not miss the fact that these folks would happily take paxlovid, which is a protease inhibitor...just like IVM! Although, IVM does more like binding with spike proteins and prevents hemaglutination too.
I have the same antibiotics I have taken for myself in my cabinet that were for my cats. Like I said—years of painkillers messed with her brain. She used to man the protest barricades in Dublin back in the 80’s. Gave the finger to government, wrote letters to the editor. But the Covid scam did something to her—like millions of others. I quit saying anything but cross my fingers she doesn’t become a statistic of the current horror.
its unfathomable what these governments have done to their own people. I live in NJ USA and the NJ state gov is one of the most venal corrupt groups. Im a MD with over 20 years of experience. I have a group of people that think like we do all docs, scientists and nurses and we all tried to meet the NJ state health commissioner and she refused repeatedly
You and I have exchanged thoughts before. As a result, I think you know what I think about what those in the crime syndicate have done -- that they could not have done it without the cooperation of the people. In the absence of indignation over the trampling of basic human rights and the willingness to stand up in righteous anger, the freaks and losers in government get away with their crimes. Over and over and over again.
Lucky to be in Sweden! I know it has its problems, but my daughter fell in love with it when she lived there, first in Angelholm for high school exchange, and then Lund when she was in Uni. We visited a few times, and I really loved it. Of course I am slightly biased since my great grandfather came from Tvaaker near Varberg to the US in 1901. :)
Michele I agree, why all these folks whose culture is not to go to the doctor unless absolutely necessary would jump on the vaccine bandwagon! I still talk to friends there and they thought I was very strange not to get the shots. 🤷🏻♀️
Yes I do! I live in California and you pretty much had to bootleg the product through another state and stash it for safekeeping -- even my very bright and successfully talented sister questioned why I would even consider taking horse de wormer for Covid.
Apotex Inc, Canada’s largest pharmaceutical company, was founded by Mr. Sherman in 1974. The sole manufacturer of hydroxychloroquine in the country, Sherman’s company offered to donate two million dosages of the medication to the Trudeau government as a potential remedy for the Covid pandemic.
When I caught covid for the second time (the first was in Dec. of 2019 and I didn't know what it was) my doctor was not ALLOWED by the hospital he was associated with to provide ivermectin (although he previously told me he would) because the alternative was free. I can't remember what it was because when I told my daughter what he was prescribing she (an ER nurse) told me not to take it so I didn't. I recovered faster than my twice-jabbed and once boostered friend.
Why would they? Sorry for your family's loss, But "someone" took the fentanyl. If people Want to die, then that's on them. If they take dangerous drugs or experimental drugs, that's on them.
People need to understand This Is War, and until they do, they will just keep on as usual normies bungling through life.
My nephew, Shaun, used cocaine, which was unknowingly laced with fentanyl. The latter killed him. Our family tried for years and spent literally thousands of dollars on therapy, rehab, etc. but Shaun had the same mental illness as another family member and was unable to help himself. The night he died, I had a nightmare. I can't remember what about, but I woke up and was terrified that someone was hurt. In my daze, I thought it was one of my animals, so I checked them all and when they were fine. His mother also woke up and told her husband that Shaun was at her front door. Her husband checked but of course he was not there. My brother also had a dream that Shaun was trying to call him. I think as he was dying, he was trying to call out to all of us in spirit, but none of us got the message clearly. The next morning, I was on FB and my brother posted that he had died. My knees gave out and I collapsed on the kitchen floor. That was 6 years and 7 months ago and it has never gotten easier.
My nephew didn't want to die. He battled addiction for years but wanted a future. People have a vision of drug users as low life scumballs who are weak minded and who want to hurt themselves.... that they could just stop if they only tried harder. I guess I used to think that way, too, but after watching Shaun try over and over and over and over to heal and not be able to, I saw things differently. I still miss him and always will, and I'm sorry that this all came out as a response to your post, but sometimes I still need to talk about it. Thanks for listening.
I'm so sorry that your family has gone through this tragedy. So many families have dealt with the death of a loved one due to the fentanyl debacle. I personally know three family friends who are/have dealt with this - one young person overdosed and died this past year, one young person has been hospitalized twice in a near-death situation due to 1. overdosing/2. car crash while high, and one young person who is currently stabilized but he is in the vast minority. Heartbreaking, each and every one.
(Dr. David Martin except) The same people making billions of dollars getting people addicted to opioids held the patent on a non-addictive opioid formula so that no company could be licensed to produce the non-addictive formula. This live EUA was active in 2019. If Trump was serious about saving humanity he could have made an Emergency Use Authorization forcing production of the non-addictive opioid formula. But instead, on September 19, 2019 Trump signed an executive order (written by the Drug Dealers) that mandates a vaccine urgent platform at a time when no pandemic was on the horizon. - https://groups.google.com/g/town-square-news/c/nd7O64G5_7k/m/5tKNeb3_BgAJ
That s an interesting point, I 've read and studied quite about about what purdue and the sackler family did with oxycontin. Once that EUA was passed it became like a military operation and no dissent was tolerated. Its been horrific and useless and now we have a mass casualty event
i know many people assume that this whole thing was planned from the beginning. but Im not so sure. assuming that is too easy. It implies that there is a group or person to blame. but what if this is another example of what Hannah arendt called the banality of evil. All of us have become so complacent , pampered, comfortable , we've allowed the growth of the state to such a degree that politics has worked its way into every aspect of our lives.
THe proper gov reponse to covid was no response. All the things gov did that actually helped involved gov getting out of the way. Like allowing hospitals to hire out of state nurses, allowing GM to make ventilators, allowing distilleries to make hand sanitizer.
The growth of gov and state bureaucracy enabled this whole situation. The CDC and NIH have no reason to exsist, neither are justified under the constitution. The gov is not there to see to our health or provide healthcare or insurance. gov only ligit function is to protect rights and property
you might be right but Im not so sure. There is definitely a group of marxist ideologues out there somewhere manipulating things for their gain. I have a friend whos a philo prof at a magor university and most major US and canadian even european universties have depts of asian studies and Chinese cultural studies centers. These are outposts of the CCP. The CCP is practicing cultural imperialism in the west for decades. Like Childers has said he thinks there is some group pushing this trans and BLM agenda, b/c the trans community is not that large or well orgnized. But whatever group wants to destabilize the US and western culture has seized on an issue that divided and confuses people and so they are pushing it. I wouldnt be surprised if the Biden family are literally working for the CCP and all of the people in key positions are getting paid enormous sums by the chinese state
Covid-19 was obviously planned but by only a few. You have a few leaders and then 99% useful idiots join to act out their personal ambitions. This is compartmentalization that allows this stuff to exist -- WWI and WWII are good examples. Also the fake Apollo mission and moon landing was a decision made by a few at the top while contractors to NASA were unaware of the planned deception.
so my father worked for NASA in the 1950 and 1960s . On the moon right now there are landers that were left there. The lunar landing module had 2 parts a descent stage and ascent stage. Both the descent and ascent stage landed on the moon and the ascent stage blasted off the moon to return the men to the orbiter. THe DESCENT stages are STILL THERE. They can be seen with properly powered telescopes. They are directly observable. YOu could see them if you wanted to. PLUS the astronauts left mirrors on t he moon that are still used for laser ranging measurements of the moons speed and distance.
Either you are a well meaning person or you are a mole planted here to spew nonsense.
You might want to view what could be the best forensic analysis of the Apollo Mission Hoax - "AMERICAN MOON" - Massimo Mazzucco Proves Apollo Mission Was Impossible
dude there are decent modules on the surface that one can SEE with a telescope and mirrors that are routinely used by ppl all over the world for laser ranging experiments.
you might be right but Im not so sure. There is definitely a group of marxist ideologues out there somewhere manipulating things for their gain. I have a friend whos a philo prof at a magor university and most major US and canadian even european universties have depts of asian studies and Chinese cultural studies centers. These are outposts of the CCP. The CCP is practicing cultural imperialism in the west for decades. Like Childers has said he thinks there is some group pushing this trans and BLM agenda, b/c the trans community is not that large or well orgnized. But whatever group wants to destabilize the US and western culture has seized on an issue that divided and confuses people and so they are pushing it. I wouldnt be surprised if the Biden family are literally working for the CCP and all of the people in key positions are getting paid enormous sums by the chinese state
While I think this was planned by some elite people with too much money and no allegiance to anything but themselves and their ideology, I agree with everything you said. The growth of gov and state bureacracy is now a monster we face...our govt is now in the health business with both feet, and they destory EVERYTING THEY TOUCH.
I still think this constitutes a crime against humanity, as they denied effective treatment for a treatable illness, which caused people to die. Probably most covid deaths were due to this lack of treatment. All to gain emergency use authorization for the gene therapies.
Remember when our govt did more to stop the distribution of ivermectin and hydroxycloroquine than fetananyl?
Asked my dr to prescribe HCQ and her response was "Our governor won't let us." Six months later, I repeated the request to learn "Mercy Medical won't allow it". I go in to her in a month and will ask again. If I get the same response, it will be time to find a new health care provider as my supply will be low.
So basically, your doctor is really not your doctor. You should say, “well I guess you’re not my doctor then, it’s really the governor and Mercy Medical. You’re just a tech following their orders.” I bet that would make them mad 😬
Remember it is easy to make hydroxychloroquine even though fake news says it’s not the same... look it up and don’t forget about quercetin.
Yeah, and it will go into your medical record. "Non-compliant" or as I was told 5 years ago, "medication resistant". My PCP who has now moved on to be a vascular surgeon, could not believe the report that my physical therapist wrote about my 3 month stint. The fact that PT was one of the only truly helpful treatments I've ever had did not occur to her. She was shocked. I'm PCPless now and it feels good.
I hate that. “Non-compliant.” Like you’re a toddler or something. Very revealing that it is not a collaboration but a hierarchical relationship. Which I completely disagree with and I think is detrimental to care and outcomes, not to mention dignity.
To be labeled “non-compliant” is in some ways like being labeled a racist. Dig below the surface and it’s almost always just a silly insult. We need to learn to ignore stuff like that. When I was in NP practice I always wrote “declined” rather than “refused” because it was less judgmental. Patients were the ultimate decision-makers in their care and I wanted the chart to reflect that.
Ha! Ha! 'non-compliant' - 'medication resistant' - 'denier' - and more. All euphemisms for SANE.
I love that!
Most docs have a god complex. They don’t like to be questioned about anything, especially when they are wrong.
And should you consider a malpractice complaint against one of them ... the lawyers who "specialize in malpractice suits" close ranks fast, and tell you you do not have a valid complaint - with no explanation as to why.
Thirty years ago, my sister was in a car accident. She died at the hospital. She was almost 28, healthy, and had her whole life ahead of her. When we got to the hospital, we were told she was brain dead. The hospital hounded her husband to donate her organs before her heart stopped because “the organs start to decay immediately.” He refused. Mom asked for a second opinion. They gave one, but it was an “I concur with the other doctor,” and the doctor who gave it didn’t even come in the room and talk to us. She had swelling in the brain, but they didn’t give her any anti-inflammatories.
We later found out that she had a broken neck, which was surprising since she wasn’t wearing a neck brace, and that the hospital was an organ harvesting one. (Organ harvesting is big business.)
I’d never been that inclined to trust doctors, but that sealed the deal. All of us believed that they let her die in hopes of getting her organs.
That is a heartbreaking story. You are one strong woman to hold all that grief for three decades.
Her death broke my parents, although I didn’t realize it until several years later. It almost broke me. Luckily, I had my family. I loved them and vice versa. We bolstered each other up.
So sorry for your tragic loss! To facilitate organ donation, the definition of death was changed to "brain death" because a beating heart is required to keep the organs alive. Organ donation is big business and big money. Sorry I am so cynical, but these last 3 years have solidified my cynicism.
There’s no need to apologize to me. I’m as cynical, if not more so, than you. Truly, I’m with you 100%. The definition of brain dead has not changed for the past 50 years or more. (I think they defined it in the 60s. They make a crap ton of money with organ transplants and donations. It’s a kill Peter to save Paul situation. If people know this going in, that’s one thing, but most don’t.
Oh wow 😢 That is horrible. How heartbreaking for your whole family, and what a betrayal from the doctors and hospital. I’m so sorry you and your family had to experience that 😞
Yup exactly.
Went to heart doctor about 6 months ago just to get a baseline. My cholesterol was high, which I knew going in.
We chit-chatted and I point blank told him “I don’t like to take drugs, I try to not even take Advil if I can help it”.
He nodded his head and then told me “well, you need to go on statins and they’ve been proven to be beneficial and safe”.
Only reason I’ll go back is to discuss my stress test results, but I’m not taking a damn statin.
I have read some that eating grapefruit daily will fix high cholesterol, but I don’t know for sure. Anyway, I don’t trust them anymore, he should have worked on a plan with me that modified my diet and anything else that would naturally reduce it and let me live with the “risk” of it still be high.
As ‘cat’ replies here, the whole cholesterol thing is a hoax. Don’t worry about those numbers.
They're not interested in your diet! Your diet doesn't help their bottom line.
You too eh? It's a merry-go-round and jumping off is my only option.
Ohhh that’s a great comeback !
My doc doesn't buy into all this masking/vaccination for covid crap either, but the place he works with will not let him prescribe either one so he can't write the script. This is the #1 reason why DeSantis should make it over-the-counter so people can actually get it. Insurance and medical conglomerates will not allow doctors to write those scripts.
I think Tennessee passed a law to allow Ivm to be sold over the counter. I don't understand why they beat us to it, when Florida is supposed to be the "free" state.
Don't complain, if evidence suggests there is more than one "free" state. That, friend, is progress.
Doctors work for hospital systems
who get billions of $ of government Medicare money which means the government sets the rules and CDC says physicians must follow their protocol...kill ‘‘em with respirators and remdesivir and no ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine. Hospital systems fire or take away medical license of any who go outside CDC protocol. Hospital systems are not going to lose their cash government cow. Remember Covid jab received emergency approval because there WAS NO DRUG IN THE CDC PROTOCOL THAT WORKED.
HCQ shouldn't be an over the counter drug as it is not safe for eveyone.
Who should not take Hydroxychloroquine SULFATE?
The following conditions are contraindicated with this drug. Check with your physician if you have any of the following:
Conditions:
-low blood sugar
glucose-6-phosphate dehydrogenase (G6PD) deficiency
low amount of magnesium in the blood
- low amount of potassium in the blood
-porphyria
- anemia
- decreased blood platelets
- low levels of a type of white blood cell called neutrophils
- mental problems
- suicidal thoughts
- alcoholism
- myasthenia gravis, a skeletal muscle disorder
- maculopathy
changes in the visual field
- torsades de pointes, a type of abnormal heart rhythm
- prolonged QT interval on EKG
chronic heart failure
- abnormal EKG with QT changes from birth
- liver problems
- decreased kidney function
- psoriasis
- seizures
- anemia from pyruvate kinase and G6PD deficiencies
- chronic kidney disease stage 5 (failure)
All of the OTC meds I've ever seen have written somewhere on the packaging or insert not to take if you have xxxx disease, etc. It also says to talk to your doctor before taking any medications. So, they all say stuff like this. HCQ and IVM are VERY safe for most everyone, but some it isn't. Same can be said for Aspirin.
Yes it is true most drugs have lengthy warnings (except mRNA with "intentionally left blank") but as someone who has a lengthened QT interval, I don't rely upon my doctor to decide if I should take a drug which can give me SADS.
And you are wiser than half the population that just lined up and accepted the mRNA deaths shots. It is critical to be the advocate of our own health.
Woody, your lengthened QT interval is a clear contraindication and the doctor would not prescribe. But it should be available for others who aren't those rare QTrs like you.
And yet if you go to a country with malaria you’ll be handed it like Candy……
Exactly. I grew up in the Philippines and even though I never contracted malaria, some school mates did. When Covid struck, I was talking to one of them and they laughed at the ban on "hydroxy"...they had taken it as a malarial medication for over 20 years with no side effects. That was one among many things that tipped me off in March 2020 that this was a massive scam.
Since the pharma has immunity with the covid shots, they don't need to list any side effects because with immunity, there are no side effects that will affect the pharma companies.
Skip asking the M.D. (mentally deficient) and order it from an online supplier in India. The majority of pharms are manufactured in countries other than the U.S. so, don't get too overly concerned about where it is shipped from. I have been buying my one pharm that I need from Canada for years now at about 25% the cost of the same thing purchased in the U.S.. Not sure why more people do not go outside the borders for pharm, but here is your chance to try it.
Can you share your source? I’ve been a little afraid to buy IVM & HCQ out of India but I would like to have it on hand instead of relying on the horse paste 🤣
Myself as well as other friends have had good experiences with this place over the years.
https://www.alldaychemist.com/
I've used them. Tip: Order IVM by itself, as I had an order stolen by Customs (FDA). The seller reshipped through Singapore.
I ordered HCQ and Flovoxamine, etc in a separate order.
CraigN- I have been ordering from them for years! I first learned about them from an online skincare forum- many of the women were ordering Retin A from them, where it is a LOT cheaper than here in the U.S.
I wonder how it's worked out shipping to someplace like Canada (where I live)? The last time I ordered IVM from abroad, the Canadian Health lunatics seized it at the border.
Do you know if HCQ and HCQ Sulfate are the same thing?
Looks to be the same.
https://www.drugs.com/search.php?searchterm=hydroxychloroquine&a=1
Do people just make up an rx? They ask for it at checkout.
norstadt- They do ask for it at checkout but I always leave it blank- and have never had an issue with them not filling my order.
I used ivermectin.com
It comes from India but ships from Tennessee or SC.
Yes, this is where I get mine also. Highly recommend!
It arrived quickly, and I am very happy with how they explained the whole process.
www.ivermectin.com
No script required.
Not sure why my comment is being posted more than once -- sorry! Just saying I've ordered from Home Lab Veterinary for 2 years now. They're based in Ukraine (!!) but there's never been a problem getting the order cheaply and quickly. They've got pills, paste or liquid: https://homelabvet.com/product/ivermectin-capsules-3mg-50caps/
Agree, our source. However, one large order was labeled “lost” in tracking at NY distribution. Our bad luck, but next was fine. It was post office lost in USA. Hmmm.
You can purchase Ivermectin in the US. I have purchased multiple times. He gets it from India. Totally legit. Fast shipping. Ships discreet. Have been happy every time. You can read all about it here. You can order a full box or half a box. https://www.ivermectin.com
To order drugs from overseas pharmacies (like in Canada) you need a current prescription. Sometimes the wait is pretty long to receive them, but the prices are indeed considerably lower than in the U.S. on certain prescriptions.
I always get a paper script so I can shop around. Yes, it does take several weeks to get your order filled. I didn't say this, but I usually have the script filled at several different pharmacies, so I have enough on hand when I am waiting for my order. Plus, since this is something that I am going to be on for life I don't have to incur an office visit charge just to get a script every year. 😉
Starting to slowly eliminate paper scripts … computer generated only .
A friend of mine ordered from India and the DEA intercepted it!🤬
Happened to me also. Fortunately the order only had IVM.
The seller reshipped through Singapore, and I got it 3 weeks later.
My orders for HCQ, Flovoxomine etc had no problems. Just put the IVM on it's own order tho.
I called 4 pharmacies in one city last week so can’t apply this to the entire state. I asked if they had OTC IVM. All said no.
The possibilities?
- They legit don’t have it
- They might have some in-person requirement to respond in the affirmative?
- They might deny having it and not mention the (possible) in-person requirement for requesting it?
- As @KatLee says, they might have a requirement for some form to be filled out and not mention such when a phone inquiry is made?
- Other?
I question not the intent of the new law (to make IVM available OTC) but the execution by pharmacies/pharmacists. Is there availability-fixing afoot? I don’t know. I just found it interesting -and frustrating- to hit a dead end.
Also, just read this “ The bill states that a pharmacist can provide Ivermectin to a patient, who is 18 years of age or older, “pursuant to a valid collaborative pharmacy practice agreement containing a non-patient-specific prescriptive order and standardized procedures developed and executed by one or more authorized prescribers.”
That means that adults can explain their symptoms to the pharmacist, fill out a sheet listing any preexisting conditions and other medications they are taking, and the pharmacist can determine the right dosage.”
A friend used a compounding pharmacy in Lenoir City, Fresh Pharmacy. She said she had to fill out a form, they ordered it for her and she picked it up. I’ve spoke to the pharmacist there before and he was very helpful so you may give them a call and find out what gives. I ordered mine from India before TN passed the law so haven’t had the need to find out. https://freshdrugs.com/
So no prescription needed?
No 😃
Yes. You have to fill out some form at the pharmacy and they’ll get it for you..
When I go back to my doctor next month (who wouldn't prescribe ivermectin because Advent would let him) I am going to remind him HE works for ME and I don't appreciate Advent dictating my choices of medication.
Joyce...good luck with that. My doctor also works for AdventHealth and says he cannot prescribe because CDC says so.
SO...unless you go to SOLE PRACTITIONER ...good luck.
Doctors work for hospital systems
who get billions of $ of government Medicare money which means the government sets the rules and CDC says physicians must follow their protocol...kill ‘‘em with respirators and remdesivir and no ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine. Hospital systems fire or take away medical license of any who go outside CDC protocol. Hospital systems are not going to lose their cash government cow. Remember Covid jab received emergency approval because there WAS NO DRUG IN THE CDC PROTOCOL THAT WORKED.
Same here. I'm with Advent. I'm looking for a small practice. Also a compounding pharmacy. They'll fulfill IVM scripts.
Dr. John Thomas Littell has offices in Kissimmee and Ocala. He gave ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine to those with Covid. I recommended many and he prescribed to those as far away as Oregon and Wisconsin.
He is a sole practitioner.
My doc is with Advent - he is the only one in the large practice who is prescribing Ivermectin. When talking about the Ivm/Covid issue, he said, "What they're doing is criminal"
Now THAT is a good doctor!!
I left my doctor when she promoted an untested never before administered injection without doing her own research like a good little soldier. There’s your litmus test.
I left my kids’ pediatrician when he prioritized “the community” over his patient. He wouldn’t give a mask exemption and didn’t even want to see, talk to, or examine my 10 year old son about his difficulties wearing a mask.
Shameless
True Lmoore321…
Just go to FLCC website and get a Dr to write a script for it. F her
Move on Deb
It was time to get a new healthcare provider a while ago don’t even bother going in
Michigan or CA is my guess.
just told that yesterday to my dad in Europe. That story did not even make it across the ocean. Belgium has never heard of either med that could have saved people.
I looked it up more than a year ago and neither was available there, otherwise I would have ordered it and send to them.
My sister in Ireland who worked with horses sent me back in the day an insulting text laughing her arse off saying she had put gallons of horse paste up horses arses. And how stupid people were—insinuating me. She had No idea what she was yapping about but what her radio (she doesn’t have a tv.) told her and her precious Guardian newspaper paper. She still buys it all. Bless her but sometimes I’m glad she is there and not here in USA.
The joke's on her, imho - we in the U.S. put it in our horses' *mouths.*
I know. But that’s what she said. Maybe a different preparation there. . I turned her off for awhile after that. But then she is often on morphine or god knows what else for back pain. She has changed considerably.
i ordered the pill form but have not had to use it so far. My dog takes it. I just open the capsule and put the powder in her food.
😂 😂 😂
That’s hilarious, it’s like saying don’t take Prozac because dogs can take it 🙄 I want to start calling that “dog antidepressant” like they call ivermectin “horse dewormer.” Does she think the people in Africa who take it are all idiots too, then? Racist 😛
Let's not miss the fact that these folks would happily take paxlovid, which is a protease inhibitor...just like IVM! Although, IVM does more like binding with spike proteins and prevents hemaglutination too.
Good point!
I have the same antibiotics I have taken for myself in my cabinet that were for my cats. Like I said—years of painkillers messed with her brain. She used to man the protest barricades in Dublin back in the 80’s. Gave the finger to government, wrote letters to the editor. But the Covid scam did something to her—like millions of others. I quit saying anything but cross my fingers she doesn’t become a statistic of the current horror.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3043740/
Ireland has disgraced itself -- and I'm a citizen.
its unfathomable what these governments have done to their own people. I live in NJ USA and the NJ state gov is one of the most venal corrupt groups. Im a MD with over 20 years of experience. I have a group of people that think like we do all docs, scientists and nurses and we all tried to meet the NJ state health commissioner and she refused repeatedly
You and I have exchanged thoughts before. As a result, I think you know what I think about what those in the crime syndicate have done -- that they could not have done it without the cooperation of the people. In the absence of indignation over the trampling of basic human rights and the willingness to stand up in righteous anger, the freaks and losers in government get away with their crimes. Over and over and over again.
Bombard her. We have to fight local.
Ireland is not alone in that.
That fact doesn't make me feel any better.
Half of the human race has. Devastating. They joined "The Good Germans".
I bet she'd be willing to take Molnupiravir in a sec.
Never mind that Molnupiravir is horse medicine.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3043740/
Ok so now the Babbit mom story has another side to it. It’s being hashed out on Twatter right now. 🤷♀️
Lucky to be in Sweden! I know it has its problems, but my daughter fell in love with it when she lived there, first in Angelholm for high school exchange, and then Lund when she was in Uni. We visited a few times, and I really loved it. Of course I am slightly biased since my great grandfather came from Tvaaker near Varberg to the US in 1901. :)
Michele I agree, why all these folks whose culture is not to go to the doctor unless absolutely necessary would jump on the vaccine bandwagon! I still talk to friends there and they thought I was very strange not to get the shots. 🤷🏻♀️
I will never forget
Yes I do! I live in California and you pretty much had to bootleg the product through another state and stash it for safekeeping -- even my very bright and successfully talented sister questioned why I would even consider taking horse de wormer for Covid.
https://capforcanada.com/was-apotex-owner-barry-sherman-murdered-for-interfering-in-big-pharma-profits/
Apotex Inc, Canada’s largest pharmaceutical company, was founded by Mr. Sherman in 1974. The sole manufacturer of hydroxychloroquine in the country, Sherman’s company offered to donate two million dosages of the medication to the Trudeau government as a potential remedy for the Covid pandemic.
When I caught covid for the second time (the first was in Dec. of 2019 and I didn't know what it was) my doctor was not ALLOWED by the hospital he was associated with to provide ivermectin (although he previously told me he would) because the alternative was free. I can't remember what it was because when I told my daughter what he was prescribing she (an ER nurse) told me not to take it so I didn't. I recovered faster than my twice-jabbed and once boostered friend.
its criminal ... all politics and the hospitals getting paid off by health and human services
Yep. My nephew overdosed and died on fentanyl. No one outside our family gave a damn.
Why would they? Sorry for your family's loss, But "someone" took the fentanyl. If people Want to die, then that's on them. If they take dangerous drugs or experimental drugs, that's on them.
People need to understand This Is War, and until they do, they will just keep on as usual normies bungling through life.
My nephew, Shaun, used cocaine, which was unknowingly laced with fentanyl. The latter killed him. Our family tried for years and spent literally thousands of dollars on therapy, rehab, etc. but Shaun had the same mental illness as another family member and was unable to help himself. The night he died, I had a nightmare. I can't remember what about, but I woke up and was terrified that someone was hurt. In my daze, I thought it was one of my animals, so I checked them all and when they were fine. His mother also woke up and told her husband that Shaun was at her front door. Her husband checked but of course he was not there. My brother also had a dream that Shaun was trying to call him. I think as he was dying, he was trying to call out to all of us in spirit, but none of us got the message clearly. The next morning, I was on FB and my brother posted that he had died. My knees gave out and I collapsed on the kitchen floor. That was 6 years and 7 months ago and it has never gotten easier.
My nephew didn't want to die. He battled addiction for years but wanted a future. People have a vision of drug users as low life scumballs who are weak minded and who want to hurt themselves.... that they could just stop if they only tried harder. I guess I used to think that way, too, but after watching Shaun try over and over and over and over to heal and not be able to, I saw things differently. I still miss him and always will, and I'm sorry that this all came out as a response to your post, but sometimes I still need to talk about it. Thanks for listening.
I'm so sorry that your family has gone through this tragedy. So many families have dealt with the death of a loved one due to the fentanyl debacle. I personally know three family friends who are/have dealt with this - one young person overdosed and died this past year, one young person has been hospitalized twice in a near-death situation due to 1. overdosing/2. car crash while high, and one young person who is currently stabilized but he is in the vast minority. Heartbreaking, each and every one.
I'm so sorry for your loss, FourWinds.
Sadly, It’s still happening.
(Dr. David Martin except) The same people making billions of dollars getting people addicted to opioids held the patent on a non-addictive opioid formula so that no company could be licensed to produce the non-addictive formula. This live EUA was active in 2019. If Trump was serious about saving humanity he could have made an Emergency Use Authorization forcing production of the non-addictive opioid formula. But instead, on September 19, 2019 Trump signed an executive order (written by the Drug Dealers) that mandates a vaccine urgent platform at a time when no pandemic was on the horizon. - https://groups.google.com/g/town-square-news/c/nd7O64G5_7k/m/5tKNeb3_BgAJ
That s an interesting point, I 've read and studied quite about about what purdue and the sackler family did with oxycontin. Once that EUA was passed it became like a military operation and no dissent was tolerated. Its been horrific and useless and now we have a mass casualty event
Layers of deception exposed
i know many people assume that this whole thing was planned from the beginning. but Im not so sure. assuming that is too easy. It implies that there is a group or person to blame. but what if this is another example of what Hannah arendt called the banality of evil. All of us have become so complacent , pampered, comfortable , we've allowed the growth of the state to such a degree that politics has worked its way into every aspect of our lives.
THe proper gov reponse to covid was no response. All the things gov did that actually helped involved gov getting out of the way. Like allowing hospitals to hire out of state nurses, allowing GM to make ventilators, allowing distilleries to make hand sanitizer.
The growth of gov and state bureaucracy enabled this whole situation. The CDC and NIH have no reason to exsist, neither are justified under the constitution. The gov is not there to see to our health or provide healthcare or insurance. gov only ligit function is to protect rights and property
Planned by a few with useful idiots following marching orders by compartmentalized. Unwitting agents of the cabal.
you might be right but Im not so sure. There is definitely a group of marxist ideologues out there somewhere manipulating things for their gain. I have a friend whos a philo prof at a magor university and most major US and canadian even european universties have depts of asian studies and Chinese cultural studies centers. These are outposts of the CCP. The CCP is practicing cultural imperialism in the west for decades. Like Childers has said he thinks there is some group pushing this trans and BLM agenda, b/c the trans community is not that large or well orgnized. But whatever group wants to destabilize the US and western culture has seized on an issue that divided and confuses people and so they are pushing it. I wouldnt be surprised if the Biden family are literally working for the CCP and all of the people in key positions are getting paid enormous sums by the chinese state
Covid-19 was obviously planned but by only a few. You have a few leaders and then 99% useful idiots join to act out their personal ambitions. This is compartmentalization that allows this stuff to exist -- WWI and WWII are good examples. Also the fake Apollo mission and moon landing was a decision made by a few at the top while contractors to NASA were unaware of the planned deception.
so my father worked for NASA in the 1950 and 1960s . On the moon right now there are landers that were left there. The lunar landing module had 2 parts a descent stage and ascent stage. Both the descent and ascent stage landed on the moon and the ascent stage blasted off the moon to return the men to the orbiter. THe DESCENT stages are STILL THERE. They can be seen with properly powered telescopes. They are directly observable. YOu could see them if you wanted to. PLUS the astronauts left mirrors on t he moon that are still used for laser ranging measurements of the moons speed and distance.
Either you are a well meaning person or you are a mole planted here to spew nonsense.
You might want to view what could be the best forensic analysis of the Apollo Mission Hoax - "AMERICAN MOON" - Massimo Mazzucco Proves Apollo Mission Was Impossible
https://rumble.com/v1zngha-american-moon-massimo-mazzucco-exposes-the-apollo-mission-hoax.html
dude there are decent modules on the surface that one can SEE with a telescope and mirrors that are routinely used by ppl all over the world for laser ranging experiments.
Deceptions can be very cruel, especially when beloved family members adopt the deception as fact. Astronauts of the 21 Century actually admit that man has never left Low Earth Orbit. (LEO) https://rumble.com/v1fwv8f-nasa-admits-we-never-went-to-the-moon.html
you might be right but Im not so sure. There is definitely a group of marxist ideologues out there somewhere manipulating things for their gain. I have a friend whos a philo prof at a magor university and most major US and canadian even european universties have depts of asian studies and Chinese cultural studies centers. These are outposts of the CCP. The CCP is practicing cultural imperialism in the west for decades. Like Childers has said he thinks there is some group pushing this trans and BLM agenda, b/c the trans community is not that large or well orgnized. But whatever group wants to destabilize the US and western culture has seized on an issue that divided and confuses people and so they are pushing it. I wouldnt be surprised if the Biden family are literally working for the CCP and all of the people in key positions are getting paid enormous sums by the chinese state
While I think this was planned by some elite people with too much money and no allegiance to anything but themselves and their ideology, I agree with everything you said. The growth of gov and state bureacracy is now a monster we face...our govt is now in the health business with both feet, and they destory EVERYTING THEY TOUCH.
Comment of the day, BFM!!
I am stealing this!
Yes check I remember and they still do!
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3043740/
Keeper
That was awesome!
I still think this constitutes a crime against humanity, as they denied effective treatment for a treatable illness, which caused people to die. Probably most covid deaths were due to this lack of treatment. All to gain emergency use authorization for the gene therapies.
no argument here.