"Dis"Honorable is just a word with consequences. During WW2 some German Officers unsuccesfully tried to kill Hitler. They were "Traitors" and executed, Now they are Heros.
There is No Danger of Liberty or Freedom breaking out in this USSA as long as an Obvious DC Coup can Rule Us and the Use or Threat of Illegal Force is excused by saying "they were forced".
Next come the "Boxcars" because Why Not??? Not to upset anyone The VaXXXes made transportation unneccesary...... and 'Merican Sheeples Complied, and Will Continue to Comply,
And the story from a German woman who was in church when the trains would roll past outside. Their pastor told them to just sing louder to block the noise. Really? Isn't that what is going on right here and right now? So many parables, uh I mean parallels with many moments in history. Wake up people! Not you guys...you are all awesome.
First, the function of government was stolen from the American people by a series of coup d'etat and usurpations throughout the 20th and 21st, a long slippage into the horrors of oblivion. That Americans, Westerners cannot distinguished between 'God made Man and Woman' and nothing else is prime metric signal of how deep the West has slide into the pit. Evil has gripped so much that your remark is very trenchantly germane.
The difference between Germany of the 30s and 40s period is that Americans, many of them, are fighting back against The Darkness. And so, maybe there is some hope such as appears to have been absent in National Socialist Germany.
Again, be careful judging a nation's entire population. I can assure you the true history of Germany, and WWII, is something as different as what they tried to tell us about the jabs and the Plandemic. The Good War it wasn't, and collectively evil , neither were the Germans. Never ever forget the victors write history.
Germans today do not talk of this war and the subject is verbotten in families of once prominent Nazi leaders. (I have friends who live it) We, as human beings, can learn a big lesson from that story of singing louder...And I understand your point.
I have long wished I could read a history of the Gallic wars written by Gauls. Not only is history written by the victors, the victors have to be literate.
Although your point as to histories is well-taken, particularly as to the post-WWII nonsense 'official histories' as represented by such a Shirer and Bullock ... surely you understand that there are differences between America today and Germany of the Third Reich. Differences in factors of control, reach of control ... especially given the Internet which still has a free sector of expression in spite of the rigour which was exerted to knock the whole thing down. Differences in international character, disposition of things, again as to communications and connectivity. The BRICS break-away, walk-away, for example, could not have happened in the 20th century context. And BRICS Plus is a game changer in and of itself.
And I don't think that we are necessarily making blanket judgments as to entires population en mass, but rather considering differences on balance which effect the movement of history.
I so agree. We are in a different age and unfortunately the last 100 years has led up to this moment where we have quite the dysfunctional and illiterate population. I could go on and on about how chasms exist between then and now. Music, art, books, spirituality etc. have all gone by the wayside. The quest to better ourselves and have an intellectual conversation around the dinner table with family is replaced by screens and a Big Mac in the car, while screaming at the kids to shut up. (*not me personally!)
Well Miss SadieJay! We are all in the same boat now, but our sails are bright and the sky is getting bluer. And the good thing, thanks to C19 Terrorism is that folks are believing The Narrative of fake manufacture anymore ... and not even getting plastered by the old now worn out and failing control labeling.
I study some Russian these days ... and I watch some Russian made films, some movies and some TV series. Well, the aren't perfect and nothing ever is. But when I go back to Tubi, for example, most of what there is Satanic crap. And some of it really pornographic.
So, just stay on the Bright Side of the Street! And thanks for writing.
Thank you daverkb. I always appreciate your words. Love that you are studying Russian. Hubs and I were thinking of learning Afrikaans. Yes, so much Satanic crap that is infused behind the scenes, especially in the shows. I do not have cable, just buy what I want to watch or find something random. I find myself now, looking in the scene backgrounds for Satanic symbols. And I find them. If I didn't know, it would go right over my head. I chose Life and tell fear to take a hike! Best to you!
Thanks! Coming from you that's like sparkling sequins, diamonds and rubies showering from the sky. Wait! I'll grab my hat and run outside real quick and see if I can catch some!
Oh! Afrikaans! My! That's a high choice! My father's side of the family used to have businesses in South Africa. Three coke bottling plants, export of cape hides for the tanneries in states, and once upon a time long ago we distributed Kimberly Clark products in South Africa.
My dad was actually born just outside of Cape Town and my grandmother had her wedding reception in the Mount Nelson, also in Cape Town.
Now seeing how my dad was born in South Africa I should have figured something out long ago excepting that I am a little retarded. Ya know! SLOW !!! Eventually I did ... and I eventually figured out at age 56 what having a dad born in Cape Town meant. Yes, it took a long time. But I finally figured out that being born in Cape Town meant that my dad was an African and that little fact meant I was. Guess what ??? AN AFRICAN AMERICAN !!! TA DA !!! And with lightening flashes and sun bursts coruscating in my room at this sudden discovery, I waltz myself downstairs. And with a little preambling fanfare I made the grand announcement to DeWife, to wit ... I was an African American and that we were an African American family! Imagine being married for all those years, and no realizing such a fact of significance!
That was the nicest thing anyone has ever said to me on here! Look for the battlements of rubies. Oooohhhh....I am so excited for you...my brother. Haha. My uncle had our DNA tested and we are 3% African American, but you are the real deal. We have friends in SA and Namibia and are going to learn a little language before we go back. We took a trip to Capetown in 2016 and it was the best trip we have ever taken. Absolutely loved it there. And we went to tea at the Mt. Nelson. So gorgeous and the trip was like a gift from God. Before we left we both had copies of The Covenant by James Michener and read it together so we would not be idiots when we got there. We have been to Kenya, Tanzania and Morocco before, but reading that book was a great thing to do. Because when we got there, it was nothing like we pictured and more beautiful than anything we could have imagined. I got to cross off a bucket list item of standing in 2 oceans at once, the Indian and Atlantic. Well, not literally standing, but getting sprayed by both at Cape Agulhas. Then onto Namibia where our friends live. And making new friends and seeing cave paintings that were 100 meters from their house in the middle of nowhere. It was as if God had laid out His masterpiece for us to appreciate. ALL of it. And we were there in August-September of 2016 and got to change some African minds about Trump, because all they saw was CNN. Our friends are all from German descent and are tri-lingual at the least, but their ancestors settled there 150 years ago. Fascinating. Best to you and DeWife.♥
Awe:To strike with awe, reverence, or respect; influence by exciting profound respect.
We live lives of Quiet Desperation that We can Avoid the Grim Reaper of Government, while Knowing that this current life is still Temporary.
“Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!”― Patrick Henry
OK...I really love the fellowship of like minded and appreciate all the critical thinkers on here. Including you. And, it is exciting to me to have that profound respect for many of the commenters on C&C. I have learned more from Jeff and the comments and rabbit holes I have been led into from comments than I have with any other source, except the Lord God Himself and His word. How's that?
I am of the same opinion. Further, it seems to me that in these days, it is certain Substack writers, no longer the Church, who are doing the Lord's work.
Yes, and that is why we need discernment in all things. Big churches, little churches, Substacks. "For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect." Matt 24:24 All I can do is stay close to the Lord and have His word as my guide. Ugh...even the age old tradition of finding comfort in a church has been stolen. But I do know more people are looking for answers when they didn't even have questions 4 years ago.
They didn’t want to know the truth. They saw their neighbors disappear during the night and no one talked about it. I have always wondered about the “good German”. Patriotic, law-abiding, professing to be Christian, and yet so willing to look the other way when great evil was percolating through their society. Are we really any different? How many times have we gone to war against countries we were told were our enemies? I never questioned any of it. I too am guilty of indifference. We are a world empire but it comes with a price, our very souls. And those who had atrocities committed against them are now doing the same to others with the full support of the American people. I’m looking and longing for another Kingdom now. I’m on my way to Immanuel’s land. Empires rise and fall but His kingdom is forever.
Amen! I watched Megan Leavey last night. My eyes are wide open now. I am like "WTH were we doing over there?!!". What is our country, the police of the world? It is an evil agenda and people will not speak up or speak out. I suggest when it comes to our eternal souls we had better make it right with our Maker and be the light the world needs to see. And not choose fear. Choose faith.♥
I know someone who refused to accept the injection and was processed out, but not on a dishonorable. Not sure the exact conditions, but he was talking about rejoining when the mandate was lifted, so it was good enough to get back in.
Technically, military personnel are only required to follow every LEGAL order, but I get your point; TPTB pick and choose which laws they follow, and your average "soldier" doesn't have the power to do anything about it. They've been doing this s**t for years.
They pretended it was legal because they pretended they were giving Comirnaty. They even falsified labels. Comirnaty wasn't and I think still isn't being produced; they were using the production methods for the experimental batches, not the "approved" Comirnaty protocols.
So the standards for things like contamination by DNA plasmids was different, among other things.
They had to pretend it was Comirnaty because they couldn't force people to partake in an experiment against their will.
It was an unlawful order, given by the entire chain of command.
Thank you for explaining that. The day they “approved” it I read the actual document and tried telling people it wasn’t really approved and they did a bait and switch. Even conservatives were like, well I heard from reputable people in the know that it they really approved it. TO THIS DAY the sheep who can’t think for themselves STILL think the injections are approved. 🤮
I wonder if any military members could get a copy of vax health records that show Comirnaty given. Then sue for fraud since they weren't given Comirnaty? (Fraud is loophole to be able to sue for vaccines - unless EUA even allows fraud? Now I'm wondering about that!!)
I remember that saying well, and I respectfully disagree with you that there's nothing to it but virtue signaling. I don't steal, because it's wrong, not because there are not times when I could get away with it. But I agree that in times when it takes courage to take a public stand, and suffer the consequences for doing so, one should do that.
Which is why it's taught by the Army through such phrases as the one you criticized, to E-0s and up. Not everyone is taught those values at home, by far. If you were Army, you also recall the Army Values, described in the acronym LDRSHIP: Loyalty, Duty, Respect, Selfless Service, Honor, Integrity, and Personal courage. The FBI's motto is Fidelity, Bravery, Integrity. We can see what happens in our daily lives today when we don't teach proper values, don't teach doing the right thing all the time, regardless of whether we're being observed or not. (We're always being observed, of course - by God. When we stopped teaching that....)
I only criticized it because it's clearly only lip service to entire chains of command who would not do the right thing at the expense of their troops. They will never be held accountable for violating the Nuremberg code.
It's the paying of lip service and the failure to display moral courage that get under my skin.
Edit to add that I think we would probably agree on more than we would disagree, and I in no way mean to be contentious! The troops that lived by these values have my admiration and respect. My problem is with commanders who's troops are dead because they didn't want any red on their powerpoint slides.
It was an illegal order for certain, because the military cannot force anyone to take an experimental shot. While they were told the shots were approved, only Pfizer's Cominardy was approved, and it was never and still has not been made available in this country. So every single soldier who took their mandated jab was given the illegal experimental jabs.
The military are charged with upholding the Constitution for the United States which turn means upholding a constitutional law order, inclusive of Higher Law being God's Law upon which the American republics were founded.
So the primary distinction is between what is Law, and what is legal (which may be Lawful or not), and color of law which in not Law and problematically 'legal'.
In today's degraded and degenerate atmosphere by current 'habit and custom' law has become a thicket of chaotic legalisms. But in my book, and looking back to the original law habit and customs of the Americans, I would say that the entire military today is entirely rogue and color of law.
If I had been in the military, I would not have taken the shot. Sure, the consequences of refusal were overwhelming. But here's the thing. Once can recovery from very hard times but maybe no so from shattered health. And in retrospect, I suspect there are an awful lot of military folks who now wish that they had chosen the hard road by which to travel.
I tried to tell our former son in law that, but he eventually caved when they threaten court martial. He was one of the last to succumb at Quantico's medical facilities.
The son-in-law would have had to say 'then do it'. Most people wouldn't or think that they can't. And unfortunately, almost everyone is not educated enough in Law to know what or even begin to know what their probable recourse might be. Once I had become vice-chair of the Constitution party then directed by the late Howard Phillips, and began to read law, I had no idea. I now believe, that with enough knowledge, one would have gone through the meat grinder but come out whole or close to on the 'other side'. The thing would be to know enough law so as to make 'them' begin to have pause at what one might do to 'them'. But what do I know?
Here's another similar case. In this interview, Jerome Corsi talks about his refusal to cave and 'cooperate' with the corrupt court as is related to efforts in knocking off Trump with regard to the Mueller witch hunt. Corsi had more guts than most people I have ever met. And I know that his wife was one hundred percent supporting of his position, an incredible woman. The whole interview is interesting.
You’re forgetting that many did not know up front about the risks, especially when tptb called it a vaccine. Yes, many regret now, but the pressures were immense. A Court Martial is not an idle threat.
Yes, I understand this. And truly, one does not know what one will do until confronted with a situation. And age, experience and knowledge retention and skills make huge differences.
All I can tell you is that I knew in 2020 that 'the pandemic' was all a sham because I ran the mortality figures. And guess what? No rise in mortality. And this was before the Death Jabs.
I have always been bull headed, unyielding to bullies and tyrants. Even as a kid, I'd rather get bloodied and lose a fight rather than given in. I sometimes would terrify my mom as when I stood up to some seven men who tried to throw us off our land the time when we came to look at the building project progress (actually not progressing and that was the problem). They had done stuff like that before and were astonished that I could not be intimidated. My poor mom. Never ever saw her so upset. But that was not the end of the story. The thing when on to a legal action, and our lawyer told me to go and get some supoenas served. So I went into the Clerk of the Court office and said my piece and the lady said, "Oh, we can't do that." The Clerk of the Court comes out and it's the same song and dance. So I waltz up street to the library and the code books and waltz right on back. I recite title and section to the Clerk and say, "What are you going to do about it?" Awhile later I meet with the lawyer and he says, "That clerk! He doesn't want to mess with you." Well, I just don't like losing and bending to nonsense. Because once one goes down that avenue, there's no end to walking around on one's knees. And given that incontrovertible, incontestable fact, I have to say it makes me very sad that the guy caved into the military intimidation.
I still won't give into anything not right because if I do, I know that there would be nothing left to me. I simply refuse to live life as a shattered mirror. Given into these bastards and they keep coming. Sometimes it just got to be either/or. And no being a pussy and taking one's lumps ... no matter what.
But wait! Times change! I'm almost at the point where I don't have the stamina to fight back, especially physically save maybe a little scrape. So one eventually hits a wall. But at least I can look back and see a good record.
I knew it was a sham from the beginning too. While I admit that I considered complying because of a loss of a job that I just recently gotten and worked hard for, I'm happy to say that in the end I told them to take their job and shove it. I would not comply. Still proud of that today and definitely the right decision. No regrets.
I knew at the time, but it was so hard to believe. It all was like watching an End of World sci-fi flick ... what with the desolate streets devoid of human beings and the wild claims of bodies stacked like cord wood in hospital ... and then again, those videos of empty hospitals from California to New York. This was a whole Big, Big operation. Evil, Foul, Murderous ... stealing people's lives and livelihoods. TOTALLY F-ING INCREDIBLE.
Okay! Hard, hard ... so hard at the time. But boy! I bet you are sooo glad that you had the guts to refuse. What a giant decision. One of the greatest every you will have ever made in your whole life.
Straight from the commander and chief. Barf to say that. Do you have any idea how many 'vaccines' they are all forced to get? Even the kids who attend daycare on base have to 'be all caught up' on their vaccines. Makes me sick. Hubs was USN and that was one of the reasons why he was not thinking clearly when his company mandated that all his crew get the jab. He was used to them and not even thinking critically about what they were doing to his body. I am running around like a chicken with my head cut off sounding the alarm (you know, like headless chickens do?) but I swear...after that first shot of coercion into his arm, I was ready to look up bad stuff to do to his dumb company. But, they are ALL still ticking with no problems. You can't tell me this was not a saline shot courtesy of UW and the greedy ghouls who want the industry to keep going yet be compliant with the grift.
Defying an order automatically equates to a dishonorable discharge. They were forced.
"Dis"Honorable is just a word with consequences. During WW2 some German Officers unsuccesfully tried to kill Hitler. They were "Traitors" and executed, Now they are Heros.
There is No Danger of Liberty or Freedom breaking out in this USSA as long as an Obvious DC Coup can Rule Us and the Use or Threat of Illegal Force is excused by saying "they were forced".
Next come the "Boxcars" because Why Not??? Not to upset anyone The VaXXXes made transportation unneccesary...... and 'Merican Sheeples Complied, and Will Continue to Comply,
And the story from a German woman who was in church when the trains would roll past outside. Their pastor told them to just sing louder to block the noise. Really? Isn't that what is going on right here and right now? So many parables, uh I mean parallels with many moments in history. Wake up people! Not you guys...you are all awesome.
I agree. So glad to have found this group of people. It’s been a great comfort.
Yes, you are right!
First, the function of government was stolen from the American people by a series of coup d'etat and usurpations throughout the 20th and 21st, a long slippage into the horrors of oblivion. That Americans, Westerners cannot distinguished between 'God made Man and Woman' and nothing else is prime metric signal of how deep the West has slide into the pit. Evil has gripped so much that your remark is very trenchantly germane.
The difference between Germany of the 30s and 40s period is that Americans, many of them, are fighting back against The Darkness. And so, maybe there is some hope such as appears to have been absent in National Socialist Germany.
Again, be careful judging a nation's entire population. I can assure you the true history of Germany, and WWII, is something as different as what they tried to tell us about the jabs and the Plandemic. The Good War it wasn't, and collectively evil , neither were the Germans. Never ever forget the victors write history.
Germans today do not talk of this war and the subject is verbotten in families of once prominent Nazi leaders. (I have friends who live it) We, as human beings, can learn a big lesson from that story of singing louder...And I understand your point.
I have long wished I could read a history of the Gallic wars written by Gauls. Not only is history written by the victors, the victors have to be literate.
Although your point as to histories is well-taken, particularly as to the post-WWII nonsense 'official histories' as represented by such a Shirer and Bullock ... surely you understand that there are differences between America today and Germany of the Third Reich. Differences in factors of control, reach of control ... especially given the Internet which still has a free sector of expression in spite of the rigour which was exerted to knock the whole thing down. Differences in international character, disposition of things, again as to communications and connectivity. The BRICS break-away, walk-away, for example, could not have happened in the 20th century context. And BRICS Plus is a game changer in and of itself.
And I don't think that we are necessarily making blanket judgments as to entires population en mass, but rather considering differences on balance which effect the movement of history.
I so agree. We are in a different age and unfortunately the last 100 years has led up to this moment where we have quite the dysfunctional and illiterate population. I could go on and on about how chasms exist between then and now. Music, art, books, spirituality etc. have all gone by the wayside. The quest to better ourselves and have an intellectual conversation around the dinner table with family is replaced by screens and a Big Mac in the car, while screaming at the kids to shut up. (*not me personally!)
Well Miss SadieJay! We are all in the same boat now, but our sails are bright and the sky is getting bluer. And the good thing, thanks to C19 Terrorism is that folks are believing The Narrative of fake manufacture anymore ... and not even getting plastered by the old now worn out and failing control labeling.
I study some Russian these days ... and I watch some Russian made films, some movies and some TV series. Well, the aren't perfect and nothing ever is. But when I go back to Tubi, for example, most of what there is Satanic crap. And some of it really pornographic.
So, just stay on the Bright Side of the Street! And thanks for writing.
Thank you daverkb. I always appreciate your words. Love that you are studying Russian. Hubs and I were thinking of learning Afrikaans. Yes, so much Satanic crap that is infused behind the scenes, especially in the shows. I do not have cable, just buy what I want to watch or find something random. I find myself now, looking in the scene backgrounds for Satanic symbols. And I find them. If I didn't know, it would go right over my head. I chose Life and tell fear to take a hike! Best to you!
Thanks! Coming from you that's like sparkling sequins, diamonds and rubies showering from the sky. Wait! I'll grab my hat and run outside real quick and see if I can catch some!
Oh! Afrikaans! My! That's a high choice! My father's side of the family used to have businesses in South Africa. Three coke bottling plants, export of cape hides for the tanneries in states, and once upon a time long ago we distributed Kimberly Clark products in South Africa.
My dad was actually born just outside of Cape Town and my grandmother had her wedding reception in the Mount Nelson, also in Cape Town.
Now seeing how my dad was born in South Africa I should have figured something out long ago excepting that I am a little retarded. Ya know! SLOW !!! Eventually I did ... and I eventually figured out at age 56 what having a dad born in Cape Town meant. Yes, it took a long time. But I finally figured out that being born in Cape Town meant that my dad was an African and that little fact meant I was. Guess what ??? AN AFRICAN AMERICAN !!! TA DA !!! And with lightening flashes and sun bursts coruscating in my room at this sudden discovery, I waltz myself downstairs. And with a little preambling fanfare I made the grand announcement to DeWife, to wit ... I was an African American and that we were an African American family! Imagine being married for all those years, and no realizing such a fact of significance!
That was the nicest thing anyone has ever said to me on here! Look for the battlements of rubies. Oooohhhh....I am so excited for you...my brother. Haha. My uncle had our DNA tested and we are 3% African American, but you are the real deal. We have friends in SA and Namibia and are going to learn a little language before we go back. We took a trip to Capetown in 2016 and it was the best trip we have ever taken. Absolutely loved it there. And we went to tea at the Mt. Nelson. So gorgeous and the trip was like a gift from God. Before we left we both had copies of The Covenant by James Michener and read it together so we would not be idiots when we got there. We have been to Kenya, Tanzania and Morocco before, but reading that book was a great thing to do. Because when we got there, it was nothing like we pictured and more beautiful than anything we could have imagined. I got to cross off a bucket list item of standing in 2 oceans at once, the Indian and Atlantic. Well, not literally standing, but getting sprayed by both at Cape Agulhas. Then onto Namibia where our friends live. And making new friends and seeing cave paintings that were 100 meters from their house in the middle of nowhere. It was as if God had laid out His masterpiece for us to appreciate. ALL of it. And we were there in August-September of 2016 and got to change some African minds about Trump, because all they saw was CNN. Our friends are all from German descent and are tri-lingual at the least, but their ancestors settled there 150 years ago. Fascinating. Best to you and DeWife.♥
No, We are not all Awesome, i include myself..
Awe:To strike with awe, reverence, or respect; influence by exciting profound respect.
We live lives of Quiet Desperation that We can Avoid the Grim Reaper of Government, while Knowing that this current life is still Temporary.
“Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!”― Patrick Henry
OK...I really love the fellowship of like minded and appreciate all the critical thinkers on here. Including you. And, it is exciting to me to have that profound respect for many of the commenters on C&C. I have learned more from Jeff and the comments and rabbit holes I have been led into from comments than I have with any other source, except the Lord God Himself and His word. How's that?
I am of the same opinion. Further, it seems to me that in these days, it is certain Substack writers, no longer the Church, who are doing the Lord's work.
Didn't the Lord say that "false prophets will rise ... to deceive, if possible, even the elect"?
Yes, and that is why we need discernment in all things. Big churches, little churches, Substacks. "For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect." Matt 24:24 All I can do is stay close to the Lord and have His word as my guide. Ugh...even the age old tradition of finding comfort in a church has been stolen. But I do know more people are looking for answers when they didn't even have questions 4 years ago.
You're awesome Sadiejay ;-)
They didn’t want to know the truth. They saw their neighbors disappear during the night and no one talked about it. I have always wondered about the “good German”. Patriotic, law-abiding, professing to be Christian, and yet so willing to look the other way when great evil was percolating through their society. Are we really any different? How many times have we gone to war against countries we were told were our enemies? I never questioned any of it. I too am guilty of indifference. We are a world empire but it comes with a price, our very souls. And those who had atrocities committed against them are now doing the same to others with the full support of the American people. I’m looking and longing for another Kingdom now. I’m on my way to Immanuel’s land. Empires rise and fall but His kingdom is forever.
Amen! I watched Megan Leavey last night. My eyes are wide open now. I am like "WTH were we doing over there?!!". What is our country, the police of the world? It is an evil agenda and people will not speak up or speak out. I suggest when it comes to our eternal souls we had better make it right with our Maker and be the light the world needs to see. And not choose fear. Choose faith.♥
The horror of it is imagining that people would post on social media for "likes" while they wait at the train station.
It's hard to look into the abyss.
“Team Pfizer” and “Team Moderna” 🙄🤮
I know someone who refused to accept the injection and was processed out, but not on a dishonorable. Not sure the exact conditions, but he was talking about rejoining when the mandate was lifted, so it was good enough to get back in.
Technically, military personnel are only required to follow every LEGAL order, but I get your point; TPTB pick and choose which laws they follow, and your average "soldier" doesn't have the power to do anything about it. They've been doing this s**t for years.
Thanks for that, but wasn’t the military vax order from the top, and therefore ‘legal?’
They pretended it was legal because they pretended they were giving Comirnaty. They even falsified labels. Comirnaty wasn't and I think still isn't being produced; they were using the production methods for the experimental batches, not the "approved" Comirnaty protocols.
So the standards for things like contamination by DNA plasmids was different, among other things.
They had to pretend it was Comirnaty because they couldn't force people to partake in an experiment against their will.
It was an unlawful order, given by the entire chain of command.
100 % correct. Never available here because Pfizer would then have had liability from Cominarty damages.
It was 'color of law' by an out of control rogue military. An abomination.
Thank you for explaining that. The day they “approved” it I read the actual document and tried telling people it wasn’t really approved and they did a bait and switch. Even conservatives were like, well I heard from reputable people in the know that it they really approved it. TO THIS DAY the sheep who can’t think for themselves STILL think the injections are approved. 🤮
Monica Harris blogged about the switcheroo when it happened.
I wonder if any military members could get a copy of vax health records that show Comirnaty given. Then sue for fraud since they weren't given Comirnaty? (Fraud is loophole to be able to sue for vaccines - unless EUA even allows fraud? Now I'm wondering about that!!)
Just "Following Orders", the Death of any Liberty.
No. In fact, we're taught we *must not* follow an unlawful order, as some did in the Mi Lai massacre.
There was a saying people used to bandy about when I was on active duty.
"Integrity is doing what's right when nobody is looking."
Virtue signalling. Real integrity is doing what's right when someone is not only looking, but is ready to punish you for it.
Tom, that is very fine. Thank you.
👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻 You nailed it!
I remember that saying well, and I respectfully disagree with you that there's nothing to it but virtue signaling. I don't steal, because it's wrong, not because there are not times when I could get away with it. But I agree that in times when it takes courage to take a public stand, and suffer the consequences for doing so, one should do that.
I see your point, but doing what's right when no one is looking is your job when you're in the military.
Which is why it's taught by the Army through such phrases as the one you criticized, to E-0s and up. Not everyone is taught those values at home, by far. If you were Army, you also recall the Army Values, described in the acronym LDRSHIP: Loyalty, Duty, Respect, Selfless Service, Honor, Integrity, and Personal courage. The FBI's motto is Fidelity, Bravery, Integrity. We can see what happens in our daily lives today when we don't teach proper values, don't teach doing the right thing all the time, regardless of whether we're being observed or not. (We're always being observed, of course - by God. When we stopped teaching that....)
I only criticized it because it's clearly only lip service to entire chains of command who would not do the right thing at the expense of their troops. They will never be held accountable for violating the Nuremberg code.
It's the paying of lip service and the failure to display moral courage that get under my skin.
Edit to add that I think we would probably agree on more than we would disagree, and I in no way mean to be contentious! The troops that lived by these values have my admiration and respect. My problem is with commanders who's troops are dead because they didn't want any red on their powerpoint slides.
💯 Air Force?
Yessir.
It was an illegal order for certain, because the military cannot force anyone to take an experimental shot. While they were told the shots were approved, only Pfizer's Cominardy was approved, and it was never and still has not been made available in this country. So every single soldier who took their mandated jab was given the illegal experimental jabs.
Can they sue for fraud? (Told they're getting approved and then given experimental.)
The military are charged with upholding the Constitution for the United States which turn means upholding a constitutional law order, inclusive of Higher Law being God's Law upon which the American republics were founded.
So the primary distinction is between what is Law, and what is legal (which may be Lawful or not), and color of law which in not Law and problematically 'legal'.
In today's degraded and degenerate atmosphere by current 'habit and custom' law has become a thicket of chaotic legalisms. But in my book, and looking back to the original law habit and customs of the Americans, I would say that the entire military today is entirely rogue and color of law.
If I had been in the military, I would not have taken the shot. Sure, the consequences of refusal were overwhelming. But here's the thing. Once can recovery from very hard times but maybe no so from shattered health. And in retrospect, I suspect there are an awful lot of military folks who now wish that they had chosen the hard road by which to travel.
I tried to tell our former son in law that, but he eventually caved when they threaten court martial. He was one of the last to succumb at Quantico's medical facilities.
The son-in-law would have had to say 'then do it'. Most people wouldn't or think that they can't. And unfortunately, almost everyone is not educated enough in Law to know what or even begin to know what their probable recourse might be. Once I had become vice-chair of the Constitution party then directed by the late Howard Phillips, and began to read law, I had no idea. I now believe, that with enough knowledge, one would have gone through the meat grinder but come out whole or close to on the 'other side'. The thing would be to know enough law so as to make 'them' begin to have pause at what one might do to 'them'. But what do I know?
Here's another similar case. In this interview, Jerome Corsi talks about his refusal to cave and 'cooperate' with the corrupt court as is related to efforts in knocking off Trump with regard to the Mueller witch hunt. Corsi had more guts than most people I have ever met. And I know that his wife was one hundred percent supporting of his position, an incredible woman. The whole interview is interesting.
https://rumble.com/v4nb9d9-there-is-now-scientific-proof-jfk-wasnt-assassinated-by-lee-harvey-oswald.html
You’re forgetting that many did not know up front about the risks, especially when tptb called it a vaccine. Yes, many regret now, but the pressures were immense. A Court Martial is not an idle threat.
Yes, I understand this. And truly, one does not know what one will do until confronted with a situation. And age, experience and knowledge retention and skills make huge differences.
All I can tell you is that I knew in 2020 that 'the pandemic' was all a sham because I ran the mortality figures. And guess what? No rise in mortality. And this was before the Death Jabs.
I have always been bull headed, unyielding to bullies and tyrants. Even as a kid, I'd rather get bloodied and lose a fight rather than given in. I sometimes would terrify my mom as when I stood up to some seven men who tried to throw us off our land the time when we came to look at the building project progress (actually not progressing and that was the problem). They had done stuff like that before and were astonished that I could not be intimidated. My poor mom. Never ever saw her so upset. But that was not the end of the story. The thing when on to a legal action, and our lawyer told me to go and get some supoenas served. So I went into the Clerk of the Court office and said my piece and the lady said, "Oh, we can't do that." The Clerk of the Court comes out and it's the same song and dance. So I waltz up street to the library and the code books and waltz right on back. I recite title and section to the Clerk and say, "What are you going to do about it?" Awhile later I meet with the lawyer and he says, "That clerk! He doesn't want to mess with you." Well, I just don't like losing and bending to nonsense. Because once one goes down that avenue, there's no end to walking around on one's knees. And given that incontrovertible, incontestable fact, I have to say it makes me very sad that the guy caved into the military intimidation.
I still won't give into anything not right because if I do, I know that there would be nothing left to me. I simply refuse to live life as a shattered mirror. Given into these bastards and they keep coming. Sometimes it just got to be either/or. And no being a pussy and taking one's lumps ... no matter what.
But wait! Times change! I'm almost at the point where I don't have the stamina to fight back, especially physically save maybe a little scrape. So one eventually hits a wall. But at least I can look back and see a good record.
I knew it was a sham from the beginning too. While I admit that I considered complying because of a loss of a job that I just recently gotten and worked hard for, I'm happy to say that in the end I told them to take their job and shove it. I would not comply. Still proud of that today and definitely the right decision. No regrets.
Wow! Great! And thanks for sending!
I knew at the time, but it was so hard to believe. It all was like watching an End of World sci-fi flick ... what with the desolate streets devoid of human beings and the wild claims of bodies stacked like cord wood in hospital ... and then again, those videos of empty hospitals from California to New York. This was a whole Big, Big operation. Evil, Foul, Murderous ... stealing people's lives and livelihoods. TOTALLY F-ING INCREDIBLE.
Okay! Hard, hard ... so hard at the time. But boy! I bet you are sooo glad that you had the guts to refuse. What a giant decision. One of the greatest every you will have ever made in your whole life.
Thanks for writing. You make my day.
Straight from the commander and chief. Barf to say that. Do you have any idea how many 'vaccines' they are all forced to get? Even the kids who attend daycare on base have to 'be all caught up' on their vaccines. Makes me sick. Hubs was USN and that was one of the reasons why he was not thinking clearly when his company mandated that all his crew get the jab. He was used to them and not even thinking critically about what they were doing to his body. I am running around like a chicken with my head cut off sounding the alarm (you know, like headless chickens do?) but I swear...after that first shot of coercion into his arm, I was ready to look up bad stuff to do to his dumb company. But, they are ALL still ticking with no problems. You can't tell me this was not a saline shot courtesy of UW and the greedy ghouls who want the industry to keep going yet be compliant with the grift.
Terrific 🐥 comment! 😂
It was not legal. SCourt already ruled on a case about the antrax jab that military cannot mandate an EUA shot.
And the military has a high proportion of minority service men and women. Just saying.