Brazil versus Elon Musk; FDA complies with settlement; Rogan starts questioning all jabs; science makes the problem AND the solution (and billions); bird-jabbing fails; another conversion; and more.
The FDA tweet “you are not a horse, ya’ll” was actually harmful. A person at work argued it was “horse paste” and they had no clue that it is an award-winning drug with decades of proven history. FDA=misinformation.
That tweet made me sick at the time (still does). How condescending and talk about misinformation. Plus it gave the ***holes license to be even more derisive to people who had legitimate questions.
Karen….I saw part of a reply from you about the Bend Oregon connection. I haven’t been able to locate that thread but I think you were asking where is HSV….it’s Huntsville AL aka Rocket City.
Yeah all of those “dumb” farmer types who didn’t know the difference between meds for humans and meds for animals 🙄🙄🙄 Their superiority complex is so sickening 😡
There is no difference between meds for people and humans. All drugs go through animal trials. There are a few drugs that are toxic on people but safe on certain animals, but a y drug that is used for both people and animals are the same drug.
Taking horse paste? It's as safe for you as it is for a horse. Just get the correct dosage
Not only does Ivermectin help treat COVID but, lots of stories out recently on Ivermectin as part of a treatment for many cancers. It’s clear that inexpensive and effective Ivermectin threatened the Covid Vax Complex / Cancer Treatment Complex.
I have also read about it as a cancer treatment. It was not shared as a treatment option by our oncologist when we were dealing with cancer. I’m still looking into it though.
wife said Fenbendezole, which is just a more narrow spectrum anti parasite drug, is what put her cancer into remission. She took a lot of supplements, and did a number of holistic things, but swears by Fenben. She still takes it, and after listening to Dr. Lee Merritt talk about how parasites are behind most diseases, I just started a monthly dose (3X in a week). BTW we did it with NO involvement of an oncologist or any allopathic Dr. Plenty of information about doing it holistically out there to read. In our humble opinion, oncologists aer money grabbing evil quacks, in a profession that should be disbanded.
no. She took the 222 mg for a year and a half, then after she saw Dr. Tennant , he recommended the 500 mg. You can also buy it as Safeguard or Panacur for dogs and cats, , which is what she did before Big Pharma allowed it to be marketed directly to humans.
I wish there was a good source for a list of doctors who are willing to think holistically and go “outside the box” with their patients. My doc is totally “by the book”, but she knows I have critical thinking skills and always research the hell out of everything. Still, I would switch docs in a heartbeat if I found a local one who actually *thinks* about treatments and is open to all options.
I go to a regular doc for my Medicare annual, but have regular bloodwork through my naturopath. He has a doc in his office and we use her name when we do bloodwork. Naturopaths test for a lot more than regular docs do.
Functional medicine docs are usually pretty good, and anti-jabs. I think it’s best to have both kinds of docs, regular MDs and naturopath/functional med doc.
FLCCC.net has a list of docs who prescribe for covid. So those docs may be at least more open minded. Some are conventional and some are functional med.
Oncologists rarely mention anything other than a pharmaceutical drug. My daughter’s dr told us there was “no evidence” that any supplements helped mitigate cancer.
The "no evidence" likely comes from no long-term placebo controlled studies having been done since the studies re so epensive that unless something is a new patentable drug, the study investors would never recoup their investment.
Dr Marik (FLCCC founder) has a book out recently thoroughly exploring alternative and adjunct treatments for cancer. It's called "Cancer Care: The Role of Repurposed Drugs and Metabolic Interventions in Treating Cancer."
Have you seen Dr Marik’s book on alternative cancer therapies on the FLCCC.net website? You might be interested. And of course your oncologist is not going to share information about IVM. First, they likely have no clue as to its usefulness and second, it isn’t in any of their Guidelines, so they wouldn’t prescribe it for that reason.
The article I read in The Epoch Times, suggested it was not completely effective alone, but that it really enhanced chemotherapy and other therapies for cancer, with surprisingly potent results in a short time for some patients. (Maybe it targets the percentage of cancer that is bacteria or parasite driven?)
It is also part of the protocols for recovery from damage from the jabs, due to its anti-inflammatory and immune modulating effects, as well as being anti-clotting
How about every single staff member or associate of the FDA have to wear a great big red "R" on their clothing every single day like the big "A" adulterous women had to wear back in the day? (The R could also stand for retarded. So.)
“People are dead now because of what the FDA did. But the needle just moved a little in the right direction. The ivermectin horse is out of the barn. The FDA looks like a jackass.”
Yes, it did a lot of harm. They wanted to place in people's minds that it was mock-worthy to even consider Ivermectin. It was a way to turn off careful thought before it even began. So many people lost their lives because they never got the right information. They didn't know where to find it and were made to feel foolish to look.
Emergency authorization conditions as I understand it required that there were no other viable alternative treatments. So they needed to demonize alternatives to roll out the experiments without being sued.
I was kicked off of a local Meetup site by self-proclaimed "experts" when I took to task two members who called me a fringe nut who believed in "horse-paste" ... because I mentioned that I didn't wear a mask! I will bet that to this day these "experts" think they did nothing wrong and would still claim that Ivermectin is solely a horse dewormer.
I’ve switched to aspirin from the other crap like Tylenol for pain relief which is actually more dangerous but big money makers. Aspirin has other health benefits. We’re being conned there too.
I agree with you, but aspirin is still an NSAID which can still cause internal bleeding. Occasional use is probably fine, but for long-term anti-inflammatory action one might consider something like serrapeptase and/or curcumin with piperine.
I like the curamed painkiller. Found it at our local health food store. It works quite well for any muscle / joint paint. I’m keeping aspirin in my medicine cabinet as well though. No more Tylenol.
I made note that the health industry stopped recommending daily usage of aspirin for older adults - during Covid they stopped recommending it. Interesting that aspirin just happens to be part of the protocol recommended to sail through covid symptoms. Timing was impeccable.
I pharmacist told me this years ago. It’s anti inflammatory effects are superior to other NSAIDS like ibuprofen. But use caution if you take NATTOKINASE or a prescription blood thinners.
I thought PF made a joke based on FDA claiming that medicines used for animals are not effective in humans. IDK. Hard to tell in text. Anyway, per the FDA logic, aspire is good for horses, so humans shouldn’t use it because we are not horses, ya’ll! 😂😂
Fenben, and ozone, are two of the keys to my wife beating cancer. And guess where she learned it? From a holistic vet who treated one of our dogs.
And we stopped taking ALL OTC (and scrip) painkillers. Even aspirin has undesirable side effects. Most cancer books also tell you there is an inverse relationship to longevity and the amount of antibiotics you take in your life.
We have an ozone air purifier we bought ~6 months ago, but bought an oxygen tank and an ozone maker to make ozone water, and use after an enema. Visited a specialist who used ultra pure 6 filter water and ozone to truly clean out your intestines, liver , gall bladder, everything. In a two hour session, he would pass ~60 gallons of water and ~11 liters of ozone through you. We only get roughly 750 ml and 52 gamma when use our home unit. We give the dogs ozone water every day. have tried it anally for them, but they really don't like it, so we stopped. Again, a vet is the first [person to recommend this (for the dogs)
Tylenol is a poison & you can commit suicide if you take over 1500 mg. If you take the normal dose, it damages your liver.. Tylenol ought to be withdrawn from the market. Also, it does not relieve pain.
Tylenol is also absolutely the worst thing you can give a baby/child after a vaccine. Makes things worse. Wish I'd known that too when my kids were little. (No, I would not vaccinate my kids for anything if I had it to do all over again.)
My initial thought to the FDA tweet was to use their redefined terms of ‘identity’ and false narrative against them to stop this type of ‘hate speech’.
How dare you FDA! I identify as a horse, SO give me my ivermectin and no one gets stomped with my horse hooves! 🐎 🐴 🤨
I don’t know anyone who used the animal version but I’ve read about them and saw videos for years. They adjust the doseage. It would be front page news if it was killing people.
...that the US federal government all but REQUIRES incoming refugees to take. So it's safe for refugees, but American citizens must be banned from getting it.
Some people in government and in the so-called "health" agencies need to be tried, and if convicted, swing.
I know!!! That makes me so mad!! There are so many meds also used for animals, you might as well call antibiotics like tetracyclines “cow antibiotics” or call Prozac “dog antidepressant” 🙄🙄🙄
I had a friend who was a Veterinary assistant for decades and told me that many, many, many of the drugs used in the vet world are just relabeled from the human drugs to animal drugs. Composition is the same.
That kind of person really makes me 🙄🙄🙄 They act like know-it-alls because of their credentials but they really have no clue what they are talking about 🙄
Like a former pharmacist friend who insisted her pediatrician husband knew all about masks and PCR tests when he didn’t know anything but what he’d been told by his medical association and the CDC 🙄🙄🙄
I worked in air and liquid filtration for a while and knew from real science that masks could not achieve what they said. Pressure differential, velocity, media type and media handling were totally ignored.
There are so many ways to respond to the Flat Earth ‘belief system’ that it would take a rather long post to do so here. But let me just lay this one down: I am a former Merchant Marine Captain, who was fortunate enough to begin my career during the time when global electronic navigation had sufficient gaps in (good) coverage to require celestial, as well as other forms/elements of oceanic navigation to be used. In both celestial, as well as Great Circle navigation, Spherical Trigonometry was used - not Plane Geometry. We are all very familiar with the saying that, ‘The shortest distance between two points is a straight line.’ But, if one set out on a long trans-oceanic voyage and did not use Great Circle Sailing calculations to determine one’s waypoints along the route, one would end up with the certain knowledge that it is a ‘straight’ line is actually a curve across the surface of our planet.
During celestial navigation, we used both Marine and Air Navigation Tables derived from Spherical Trigonometry calculations. I’m confident that there are still many long-distance military and civilian pilots alive who can testify to using the same methods on certain flights in the days prior to fullest development of electronic navigation systems such as LORAN, or the advent of GPS.
Hello, Captain. I’m a former Merchant Marine. I sailed as part of the unlicensed crew and mostly as part of the Black Gang (for non-merchant marines, this term has only to do with being in the engine room elbows deep in grease and grime). On one ship, I was full-time engine room while at sea and worked the deck department during mooring. The captain permitted me, after working my shift and overtime in the engine room, to spend nights on the flying bridge learning navigation using the stars and a sextant during the cumulative 34 days we traversed the Atlantic. I found the learning much more in-depth than the blips on the screen style navigation methods which were also available. The stars are amazing out at sea! I don’t run into many Merchant Marines these days. Fair winds and following seas to you and yours. Good day, Captain.
Wonderful to hear of our shared experiences Lauri! I started in the Engine Room, but quickly realized that Deck was for me! But I loved the Engine Room, and we never under-estimated our need for, or dependence upon, the efforts of that Department! God bless!
I learned how to use a sexant, Naval Almanac, and a watch set to the radio time tick to find latitude/longitude. So fun to work a sextant! Bringing the sun or another star down to the horizon. The clockwork of the sky..
I really think this flat earth nonsense is a psyop to attempt to discredit all “conspiracy theories” and to warn against the “dangers” of thinking for yourself. Don’t fall for it.
I agree, but I’d go one small step further - I’d say it’s primarily intended to undermine the credibility of Bible-believing Christians, many of whom I’ve encountered maintain that they believe it, ‘because the Bible teaches it’…
To be clear, I thank God for the Bible (Old & New Testaments); I literally believe it to be the ultimate authority in regard to anything it touches upon, and the MOST valuable ‘thing’ in our world. It saddens me greatly, however, to see the errors and mistaken beliefs that good, well-meaning people can fall into, when they fail to ‘rightly divide’ the Word.
In my view, the ‘framework’ with which one interacts with the Bible determines, to a very large extent, one’s understanding of the profound, yet often simple, truths expressed within its bounds. I think of those ‘frameworks’ in a manner similar to eyeglass ‘lenses’, the ‘right’ prescription corrects distortions and enables one to see reality correctly both near and far. As one moves further away from that proper and correct prescription, distortions begin to be introduced and, in the far end of that scale, the individual is effectively ‘blind’ to vast amounts of truth that is all around them.
Of course, these statements are probably akin to kicking a hornets nest, as there are vast numbers of people who are so wedded to their time-honored theological perspectives that they feel anything which threatens the full body of Systematic Theology they subscribe to is roughly equivalent to ‘the unforgivable sin’ - which is extremely sad.
Don’t misunderstand me; I DO believe that a sincere Bible believer must guard against error, and the wiles of the Devil, who seeks to pervert and undermine God’s Word - and those who have placed their faith and trust in it. But, as in so many other cases today, the vast majority of people seem to take the ‘easy’ way out, choosing to take and fight for positions because, ‘whatever ‘they’ believe, I believe’, rather than seriously examining the Scriptures, relying on the Holy Spirit to guide and instruct, as the Bereans did with the Apostle Paul’s teachings. The saddest thing of all, to me, is the ‘spirit’ with which the leaders and/or adherents of various groups within Christendom attack one another. All I can say is that such behavior is very definitely not Christ-like, and the following verse seems quite appropriate:
Luke 9:55
But He turned and rebuked them, and said, “You do not know what manner of spirit you are of.
That what I think, a psy-opt cultivated make Christians look ignorant stupid. And also to sow dissension, interminable bickering, division ... the usual smashing of the mirror tactics.
I even seen some alleged Christian Flater Earthers say if you don't believe such and such verse means such and such, then you are a heretic. And also, I've seen Humpty Dumpty made up terms like 'Biblical Cosmology' as if a serious scientific discipline could be possibly extracted, lifted out whole and intact from Scripture.
Agree. Dr. Jason Lisle, a Christian astrophysicist (biblicalscienceinstitute.com) is a wonderful resource for Christians in researching the truth about the earth.
TBH Michelle, you’ve probably checked out his site further than I have; I’ve only seen him participate in discussions/debates regarding Young vs Old Earth, or speak to limited astrophysics subjects. My thoughts have been to explore further; I just haven’t gotten around to it - yet! Now, I’ll probably move it up the priority chain.
I do believe in a global flood, and would definitely disagree with anyone on that question. However, I disagree with many of my Christian Brothers and Sisters, as well as many of the Christian leaders and Bible Teachers I greatly respect, over the age of the Earth issue. I have seen and heard many proclaim that not believing in a Young Earth is heretical; that it ‘undermines the foundation of the Bible’, and various other things that basically amount to disbelief and, therefore, SIN… My heart grieves when I hear these people say such things, because I firmly believe that the Bible does not, specifically, give us the Creation age of the Earth. Very often, it seems to me that the Young Earth adherents main concern is that an Old Earth belief gives the Evolutionists cover for their claims. I understand their logic, but consider it flawed, because the Bible makes it very, very clear that God created all things; originally from ‘no-things’, by speaking them into existence - not through evolutionary processes. There is no question of that, and I would agree that anyone who does not accept that is, in fact, a heretic/false teacher - or someone who has been deceived by/fallen under the spell of such a teacher.
Again, a BIG subject, almost guaranteed to excite passionate (and often, tragically, very un-Christian) responses.
I firmly reject the contention that belief in an Old Earth = Apostacy/Hearsy/False Teaching/Cop-Out to Gain Acceptsnce from ‘the World’. BUT, it is not a salvation issue! What someone believes about Jesus Christ, as Son of God, the sacrifice for Sin, the Ressurection, and that He (and only He) is the only - and essential - way to be Born Again; The Way, The Truth, and The Life - that is the matter on which Salvation and Eternal Life rests, and only that. This doesn’t mean that nothing else matters, because the rest of the Bible revelations do matter a tremendous amount! The proper understanding and integration of the other Truths revealed in the Bible have very profound practical implications; for the individual (particularly the quality of their relationship with God), his/her family and friends, and, ultimately, for the glory of God and His Kingdom.
Again, a longer post than I expected. Thank you for all your sharing!
John 10:16 Jesus says “And other sheep I have which are not of this fold; them also I must bring, and they will hear My voice; and there will be one flock and one shepherd” This could mean gentiles, aliens, angels. Yes we can’t put God in a box. All creatures are created by God and that includes aliens if they exist. It won’t change my belief in Jesus and God.
I agree with your sentiment totally. God is the Creator of all creation. However, in this passage, Jesus was referring specifically to the change in God's covenant with Israel with the coming of the Messiah. He is referring to the grafting in of the wild olive branches (Gentiles) into the native olive tree (the Israel of God) and all will be the body of Christ on earth with one Lord, the risen King.
du-du du-du dooo-du and onto the Twilight Zone where the unreal is the real. But really, all I can tell you is that I haven't ever seen the a space alien. But DeWife on the other hand claims that I am a space. And so whereas I have not, maybe she has. (Mysteries of the Universe!)
Here's McLeod. Always clear and straight up. You should not miss it.
There must be something in the ether. I just finished writing a comment about the debt trap which I'll post in the morning. Haven't seen your video yet...it's on my to-do list but I suspect it's on the same subject.
Let me see ... the either? Or maybe that's the either in the either? Or the ether in the ethernet? Or either, ether ... or the either ether ore ???? I quite don't have the clue no more what with the ice wall, the dome and now the black sun under the flat disc with the hole in it. Or is the the desk or the здесь, or what with all these words all sounding hopelessly the same. Plus I am paranoid because I think that 'somebody' is trying to kill 2 billion or 5 billion or more people, turn ants in man eating robots plus turn Dunkin' Donuts into frisbee-like flying bio-weapons ... and one toss ... kha-dong you're dead !!!!
Well, the debt trap. I am more straight up on that. The debt trap is what you get when you let avaricious rampaging three to five year olds run government and the financial institutions ... and all with Monopoly Money supplied courtesy of the Parker Brothers. Somebody ends up with the Boardwalk, Park Place and all the banks and railroads and the rest of us find ourselves flat broke and living in sticky roach traps. That is the debt trap.
I do find it funny that it's okay to believe in alien species from out in the galaxy though. They don't call that a conspiracy theory. I often wonder if an intelligent species did come to the planet one time, watched the humans, shook their heads and said "We don't need to worry about them. They will destroy themselves then we can come back and clean up the mess." JK.
Just question everything.... Not long ago we were taught flat earth. The WHO logo is flat earth.
NASA lies and they push globe really hard... so why not question it?
There is a lot of Biblical evidence as well, and very old Bibles actually say flat earth and NASA's numbers about the earth are "strange"...
Why does it matter? It matters because globe earth makes us insignificant in the realm of things.
Flat earth shows that the moon and stars rotate around us so we are the center which makes earth significant to God as he made it all for us.
I really don't know but I am starting to believe the opposite of what they tell us since it is often the case. BTW masons have a different perspective and we all know astronots are masons so...
'Supposed' Freemason draws true depiction of Earth
I do agree to question everything but that doesn’t necessitate that everything we think we know is wrong. A lot is, yes, but everything, no. Re flat earth, ask a military sniper, sailor or pilot.
The problem is, though, if you go far enough down that path you can end up thinking "anyone who tells me I'm wrong is lying to me because they are part of the conspiracy", and then your belief becomes literally unfalsifiable, and it's then no longer a genuine search for truth but just a search for more ways to justify a belief. So just, be cautious and use a consistent standard for when to believe or disbelieve people.
That is pretty extreme. I just wonder about them. If there is enough evidence, I consider it.
It is a clown world when our president can't stand trial for a crime, but can still run the country....
Stay sane!
Here are a couple related quotes...
The test of a first-rate intelligence is the ability to hold two opposed ideas in the mind at the same time and still retain the ability to function. - F. Scott Fitzgerald
CIA Director William Casey - "We'll
know our disinformation program is complete
when everything the American public believes is
false" (not sure if true but CIA does worse)
It is not a matter of what is true that counts, but a matter of what is perceived to be true. - Henry A. Kissinger
In the 19th century to the early 20th, there was a Utopian community in Estero, Florida, called Koreshan. Their model of the earth has the surface of the earth on the inside of a sphere, with the sun. and planets in the center. There are still people who believe this theory, particularly in Germany, despite the impossibility of this model.
Maybe I should take the globe off the mantle and put up a computer disc in its place. But I have a real problem. I can't figure out what to use for the 'black sun'?
Mariners would find this book interesting, at a minimum. I found it fascinating. The verse above, The Heavens declare...." was in mind always, while reading it. It was written for stranded sailors and downed airmen in WWII.
Finding Your Way Without Map or Compass, by Harold Gatty
Thank you. I am building a library of ‘how to’ and current history books for my grandkids and extended generations. Just in case history is erased. I ordered this. Appreciate it.
My list consists of a Websters Dictionary from the late 90s and a copy of Back To Basics: How to Learn and Enjoy Traditional American Skills from 1981. I'd love to add more to that list.
I don’t have a list and I cannot post pictures here. I still have some on Kindle I need to replace with a real book.
You can do the same thing.
The Lost Ways is a great place to start. Many of the Covid fraud books, and others that record what has happened in the last four years.
Prepping, Survivalist, preserving foods, etc. gardening, saving seeds, identifying plants. Like the book mentioned above - how to read nature: Weather, water flow, sky, sources of water…. Off grid, homesteading, creating like minded communities…. How to communicate if power is down. Natural medicines!
Bartering!
There are many free pdf books available too.
I think it’s important because today’s young adults and kids don’t know, and are not being taught. I want the information in their hands if ever needed. Who knows- it may be another 2-3 generations until it is needed. But it helps me feel like I can contribute, even if I am long gone. I will write messages to them in the books too.
I don’t have a set, but I’ve always thought the Foxfire books would be of value. They can be purchased easily via Amazon (I know!) as a complete set, in sub-sets, or individually. God bless!
I just bought a few for each son and grandchild! 2 sons are pilots and in military so I hope they will enjoy this book! Thank you for posting! Thank you both for your comments and delightful knowledge share! God bless you and your families! 🦋
Nuttier things have happened and yes it could be.... but maybe not?
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." - CIA Director William Casey 1981
It is not really as nuts as I originally thought. I also didn't believe a lot of things that are true like they want to depopulate us. It was literally written in stone, but the 20ft granite GA Guidestones were struck by "lightning" and cleaned up in a day or two?
FYI, when there is distance from an object, it becomes smaller... like the sun on the other side of the flat earth. IDK for sure but NASA lies about data.
If you seriously looked at the flat earth info, you would know, but you are free to believe some masons went to the moon in a tin can and now lost the technology to go back. and spoke to the president on a landline with no delay... and JFK was killed by Oswald... and 911 was al-Qaeda terrorists and not an inside job.
Thank you Mike! It is always such a breath of fresh air when real life experience is brought to bear on these "theories". The psyops that is being imposed on America seems to affect everything!
Yes! I started in aviation in the 60’s and at best, for long range navigation we had LORAN, ADF, CONSOLAN, PLOP…but the most reliable (when we were above the clouds) was celestial navigation using a periscopic sextant.
Then came OMEGA, INS, and now GPS. Where we were once ecstatic to arrive within miles of our intended destination, now anything more than a few yards off the mark is a disappointment. Oh my, how far we’ve come!
Amen, JT! I can definitely relate to that thrill - and great satisfaction - of fixing your location with a few miles of one’s Estimated Position! This was especially true at sea, after what might be a prolonged period without favorable conditions for sights. I knew there had to be people like yourself amongst the readers here; I wish we could somehow ‘pin’ your comment to the top of the string! God bless!
Do you think earth might be flat? I think it might be flat. Why is there so much shame in questioning it? It's been drilled in our head so it is difficult for us to even consider.
I have not been to space or conducted an experiment so I must believe what I am told, but we all know we are lied to so...
Questioning is science and we have never been to space to prove it ourselves.
Dawn, I can certainly understand how people across time could, and did, believe the earth is flat. But I don’t believe it is for many reasons, nor do I believe the Bible teaches it - although I am aware of the verses that people use to try and support such a view/belief.
While so many in our world remain ‘blissfully ignorant’ of the evils that are so powerfully in play in our world today, it’s safe to say that virtually all C&C readers are somewhat ‘shell-shocked’ by the revelations of corruption, fraud, organized and coordinated deception, evil, and ‘wickedness in high places’ that have been brought into the open over the past four years, in particular.
We live and move in a world that is amazing, and full of blessings, in so many ways - yet it is also a world in which discerning ‘Truth’ is exceedingly difficult. And the vast number of people in our midst don’t care, are too intellectually ‘lazy’, are too burdened by pressing concerns, or are too preoccupied with other matters, to even try to grapple with the maze of information and truth-claims that pervade our lives today. It’s a perfect environment for deception, and I would say that is the dominant characteristic of our day and time.
So, I understand ‘questioning everything’ - and I agree with it, to a certain extent. And that’s the ‘rub’, isn’t it; ‘To what extent do I question everything, and how can I know what is trustworthy?’
No doubt, there are countless views/beliefs regarding that held by readers of C&C but, one of the most comforting things I have found, is that so many of us recognize, as Jeff C. does, that the Word of God is ‘…a lamp to my feet and a light to my path.’ (Psalms 119:105)
In a prior comment above, I made the statement that I sincerely regard the Bible (Old & New Testaments) as the MOST valuable ‘thing’ in this world. It is precisely for this reason that I hold that view; because it is, in regard to anything it touches upon (which happens to be everything that truly matters), the ‘Touchstone’ by which Truth vs ‘less than Truth’ (or worse) can be judged. That said, such a blessing can only be realized fully by those who are guided and instructed in it by the Holy Spirit - and that only happens (other than incidentally, should God choose), in the lives of those who have been ‘Born Again’ by the Spirit; those who have accepted and embraced the salvation and redemption God the Father made possible through God the Son (Jesus Christ), worked out within the life of the believer by God the Holy Spirit.
Apart from that being real in the individuals life, I suspect the Bible might prove to be of more harm than good. But, even when it is real in a believer’s life, there is an unavoidable process of spiritual growth and maturity that must accompany it:
“…that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give to you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of Him, the eyes of your understanding being enlightened; that you may know what is the hope of His calling, what are the riches of the glory of His inheritance in the saints, and what is the exceeding greatness of His power toward us who believe, according to the working of His mighty power which He worked in Christ when He raised Him from the dead and seated Him at His right hand in the heavenly places, far above all principality and power and might and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this age but also in that which is to come.” Ephesians 1:17-21
Toward that end we, as individual believers, have a role to play; we can take this seriously and apply ourselves diligently to growing in our knowledge of, love for, and trust in the God of the Bible. If that’s what we choose to commit ourselves to, we must:
“Be diligent to present yourself approved to God, a worker who does not need to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. But shun profane and idle babblings, for they will increase to more ungodliness.”
2 Timothy 2:15-16
And, recognizing our dependence on the guidance and instruction of the Holy Spirit, and praying for discernment and protection against error or deception, we can then:
“Rejoice always, pray without ceasing, in everything give thanks; for this is the will of God in Christ Jesus for you.
Do not quench the Spirit. Do not despise prophecies. Test all things; hold fast what is good. Abstain from every form of evil.”
1 Thessalonians 5:16-22
While the Word of God is a veritable treasure chest of invaluable Truth and instruction, all of that gives us more than enough constructive guidance on how we should order our affairs in this day and age.
This is way longer than I dreamed it would be at the beginning, but I’ll conclude with this final portion of Scripture:
(Be Steadfast)
“Therefore, beloved, looking forward to these things, be diligent to be found by Him in peace, without spot and blameless; and consider that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation—as also our beloved brother Paul, according to the wisdom given to him, has written to you, as also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand, which untaught and unstable people twist to their own destruction, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures.
You therefore, beloved, since you know this beforehand, beware lest you also fall from your own steadfastness, being led away with the error of the wicked; but grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.
Very true and thoughtful thank you. Our focus does not need to be the shape of the earth but on things that are good. I wouldn't even consider it if I didn't have a Godly perspective on the earth. He made the sun, moon and stars for us.
As far as the Bible being more harmful than good, it really depends on one's heart. God knows our hearts and I don't doubt God, only man.
IDK if the earth is a globe or flat since I have never been to space, and I doubt any astronauts have either. I have seen enough NASA lies and contrary evidence to consider it might be a big lie... kinda like big covid lie.
I understand Dawn, and I definitely agree that ‘the heart’ is the key issue:
“…For the LORD does not see as man sees; for man looks at the outward appearance, but the LORD looks at the heart.”
1 Samuel 16:7b
In fact, that is the crux of the Gospel; we are born in ‘sin’ - a heart that will naturally seek its own will above God’s; that will ultimately rebel against God - and that will ultimately lead us to destruction and eternal separation from God, unless we receive ‘new hearts’ through being ‘born again’ by the Spirit of God. And, according to the New Testament, that comes by faith in the sacrifice of Jesus Christ, trusting Him as our Redeeming Savior.
Along with that new heart, we receive the Holy Spirit, to guide and instruct us in all things - including the discernment to recognize deceptions that we would have no hope of seeing otherwise. That particular gift is of great importance today, and it will only become more important as we move forward. God bless!
Beautifully said. God will reveal the mysteries and questions. For now, I can speculate. LOL
John 16:12-13 AMP
12 “I have many more things to say to you, but you cannot bear [to hear] them now. 13 But when He, the Spirit of Truth, comes, He will guide you into all the truth [full and complete truth]. For He will not speak on His own initiative, but He will speak whatever He hears [from the Father—the message regarding the Son], and He will disclose to you what is to come [in the future].
Thanks a lot but it didn't confirm. Check out my Bible verses and let me know what you think.
I 100% believe the Bible, and no man. I hope it is a globe but....
The Bible implies flat earth, but James said it implies globe. He notes there are pics from space, but those can be fake CGI. 4 min https://www.bitchute.com/video/3fcFd4IzuxBO/
From the site 1st paragraph...
""What do a round Earth, natural selection, and dinosaurs have in common? They are all things that are demonstrably true and biblical that some professing Christians deny. All of these things are mentioned or implied in Scripture.""
I can agree with natural selection, but the rest is not proved. The dinosaurs could be faked just like the Neanderthal and Cro-Magnon man. The earth is not billions of years old either like they say as fact. The Bible speaks of a dragon-like leviathan in Job 41, but not about all the dinos they show us and none of them breath fire like the leviathan. Why don't they show us all the giant bones discovered? Giants were real.
The scripture Jason noted for globe is Job 26:7,10 .... What part of this implies globe earth?
""He spreads out the northern skies over empty space; he suspends the earth over nothing.
8 He wraps up the waters in his clouds, yet the clouds do not burst under their weight.
9 He covers the face of the full moon, spreading his clouds over it.
10 He marks out the horizon on the face of the waters for a boundary between light and darkness.""
A couple verses I found implies flat earth IMHO.
Isaiah 40:22
It is He who sits above the circle of the earth, ((not a sphere))
And its inhabitants are like grasshoppers;
[It is He] who stretches out the heavens like a veil
And spreads them out like a tent to dwell in. ((tent is like a dome))
Proverbs 8:27
“When He established the heavens, I [Wisdom] was there;
When He drew a circle upon the face of the deep ((a circle is flat))
Psalm 104:5
He established the earth on its foundations, ((foundations are flat when building))
So that it will not be moved forever and ever. ((so how fast do they say we rotate/orbit?))
Revelation 1:7
7 Behold, He is coming with the clouds, and every eye will see Him, even those who pierced Him; and all the tribes (nations) of the earth will mourn over Him [realizing their sin and guilt, and anticipating the coming wrath]. [a]So it is to be. Amen. ((I guess on a globe some might see Him 12 hours late))
Job 38:8, 14 ... God speaking to Job
8 “Or who enclosed the sea with doors (((with a wall, not around a globe))
When it burst forth and went out of the womb;
14 “The earth is changed like clay into which a seal is pressed; ((you press a seal flat))
Ezekiel 1:26 1599 Geneva Bible
Now above the ·dome [vault; expanse; or platform] there was something that looked like a throne. It looked like ·a sapphire gem [or lapis lazuli]. And on the throne high above was a ·shape [form; figure] like a ·human [man].
Amos 9:6
It is He who builds His upper chambers in the heavens
And has established His vaulted dome (the firmament of heaven) over the earth,
In the NASB translation I use (1995), Job 26:10 says "He has inscribed a circle on the surface of the waters At the boundary of light and darkness." This is worded a little differently that how it is translated in your comment. I really like the NASB translation because it is a word for word translation, rather than thought for thought. If you use the "Literal Word" app, you can see the exact translation of each word from the Hebrew or Greek. This verse, Isaiah 40:22, and Proverbs 8:27 all mention a circle. The prevailing thinking when these were written was that the earth was flat. But keep in mind that when viewed from above (as suggested in Isaiah 40:22), a sphere appears as a circle.
For Psalm 104:5, the NASB (again, a word for word translation) renders it "He established the earth upon its foundations, So that it will not totter forever and ever." The Hebrew word translated as "totter" means (1) to totter, shake, slip; (2) to be shaken, be moved, be overthrown; (3) to dislodge, let fall, drop; (4) to be greatly shaken. To me, this doesn't preclude the earth's rotation or orbit around the sun. This implies to me that the earth shall not be removed from it's orbit...
Job 38:14 (NASB 1995) "It is changed like clay under the seal; And they stand forth like a garment." The Hebrew word translated "changed" means to turn, turn about, turn over, turn around. Seals at that time were cylindrical in shape (sometimes as a ring, which we read elsewhere in the Bible). See the photos at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cylinder_seal. My John MacArthur commentary says this:
"Documents written on clay tablets were signed using personal engraved seals upon which was written the bearer's name. The Hebrew for "changed" is "turned." It conveys the idea that the earth is turned or rotated like a cylindrical seal rolled over the soft clay. Such rolling cylinder seals were found in Babylon. This speaks of the earth, rotating on its axis, an amazing statement that only God could reveal in ancient days. The dawn rolls across the earth as it rotates."
That is also my observation, that the dawn rolls across the earth as it rotates." If we were a flat earth, we would all have day and night at the same time. We wouldn't have sunrise and sunset occurring in sequence as you move across the surface of the earth. I see in this article (https://biblicalscienceinstitute.com/apologetics/is-the-earth-really-round/) that proponents of flat earth do have an explanation for this phenomenon, but Dr. Lisle goes on to explain mathematically that sunrise and sunset are not actually possible with the the modern flat earth model (north pole at center, Antarctica around edge of circle).
As for Ezekiel 1:26 and Amos 9:6 which mention "the dome," my thought is just that it aligns with the prevailing assumption of a flat earth at that time.
I though I sent this but I don't see it in the comments. I copied it before I replied so here it is again...
Thank you for your thoughful in depth response. God wants us to study and there is always room to learn. The only reason I have not let this particular conspiracy go is because it makes us just another planet, and another BIG way to keep people from God. We are much more to God than that and were created a little lower than the angels. Jesus became like us to save us, not angels, only us.
I use several translations to get an in depth understanding when deep diving into scripture. Using one may not be sufficient and the literal word app is based on the NASB only but seems like a great version.
Yes the current view was flat earth, but wasn't it written divinely? Totter is definitely open to interpretation but it could mean moved or dislodged from its place. If the earth moved or tottered, we would feel it, and I don't feel us rotating or sideways on an axis. Gravity is also an issue of scientism. Weight causes things to fall. A helium balloon floats as it is lighter than air and gravity does not hold it down. They make simple things complicated so we don't really understand but accept it since we don't.
They say, "the Earth spinning on its axis, the planet is also speeding at about 66,600 miles per hour"
You believe it? Did God do that? Seriously watch the 2 min video and let me know what you think.
I didn't question globe earth in a day. I kept seeing it and compelled to finally look. They push it as hard as a covid jab, and if everyone questioned it, they would lose their grip on us in everything.
Job 38:14 "It is changed like clay under the seal; And they stand forth like a garment."
God compares the earth to clay seal that was pressed, not before it was pressed. Seals make bumps and ridges and they stand out like beautiful (garment) mountains do. Seals were also commonly circular which the flat earth is possibly round and not spherical. Changed means to me how God molded the earth like clay or wax in creating it, and it is no longer what it was, not continually changing or rotating. Wouldn't God say that plainly if it were?
((That is also my observation, that the dawn rolls across the earth as it rotates." If we were a flat earth, we would all have day and night at the same time.)) I picture the dawn as you roll dough. The roller rolls across the dough. In the flat earth model, the sun and moon are spherical and the roll over the the plane earth. Doesn't light fade with distance? When the sun "rolls" around the circle, the distance causes it's light to fade like things get smaller with distance. The sun and moon do change their patterns for seasons.
Ezekiel 1:26 and Amos verses about the dome... How does it align with a flat earth belief at that time? Where would they get the idea or write it if it was not divine by God? It does not matter what they believe at the time, like when Revelation was written. John didn't know but described it in words.
I don't feel like it makes us just another planet at all! God has specially fined-tuned our planet to allow life. We are just the right distance from the sun, for one example. Any farther away and we'd freeze, any closer, and we'd burn up. A great resource for learning about the MANY ways God has fine-tuned earth for life (and the probably against all those things coming together by chance) is Stephen Meyer (stephenmeyer.org). He did a great teaching series for Focus on the Family's "The Truth Project/TrueU" called "Does God Exist?" with the subtitle "building the scientific case." Some of it is pretty technical, aimed at college-age and above, but it is excellent at helping you understand just how UNLIKELY life on our planet is, yet here we are. It is very special indeed. When I watched the series, years ago, it was available on Amazon Prime Video. It is out there on DVD as well. I was able to pick up a used copy of it on DVD. Maybe your library would have it?
The Literal Word app used to just be NASB, but now you can choose from NASB, ESV, LSB, and KJV from the settings menu. It does not include NIV or NLT, as those are thought-for-thought translations, not word-for-word. I agree that comparing different translations can be very helpful in understanding, but I would warn against Eugene Peterson's "The Message." It is not a translation. It is a paraphrase, and a bad one at that. There's another paraphrase out there I'd warn against, but I can't remember the name of it or the author...
Gravity. Gravity is a force that pulls us downward, toward the center of the approximately spherical earth. The reason that helium balloon floats is that the upward buoyant force (which is in the opposite direction as the gravitational force, and is caused by the helium being lighter than air just as you mentioned) is so much greater than the gravitational force pulling it down (i.e., its weight, because its mass is so light).
So the earth is speeding around in its orbit at a speed of 29.78 kilometers per second, or 66,620 mph. You don't feel this, because you are speeding around at the same speed. You would only notice the movement if it slowed down or sped up, much like how your stomach feels in an elevator. Your stomach tries to stay in the same position it was, until it is dragged along by the rest of your body. You feel the change, but once all of you is moving at the same speed of the elevator, you don't notice it again until it slows down again. To understand what is going on, it helps to understand a physics principle called "frames of reference." Here is a great short educational video from Khan Academy explaining frames of reference: https://youtu.be/3yaZ7lkQPUQ. You also don't notice the earth spinning for the same reason; you are going right along with it at the same speed.
Job 38:14, perhaps the comparison of the earth to clay describes how God shaped all the mountains, hills, valleys, oceans initially, and reshaped it during the Great Flood of Noah's day, and will again after the millennial kingdom when He creates the new heaven and new earth?
In that video of the modern flat earth model, it appears to me it would always be dark in Antarctica, which isn't the case.... The tilt of the earth is what causes our seasons. We have winter when we are in the part of earth's orbit where we are tilted away from the sun, and we have summer when we are in the part of the orbit where we are tilted toward the sun.
Keep in mind that Galileo, Johannes Kepler, Copernicus, and Isaac Newton were all men of God who studied the heavens to glorify God.
"Gravity explains the motions of the planets, but it cannot explain who sets the planets in motion." --Isaac Newton
"Atheism is so senseless. When I look at the solar system, I see the earth at the right distance from the sun to receive the proper amounts of heat and light. This did not happen by chance." --Isaac Newton
"In the absence of any other proof, the thumb alone would convince me of God's existence." --Isaac Newton
"This most beautiful system of the sun, planets and comets, could only proceed from the counsel and dominion of an intelligent and powerful Being." --Isaac Newton
"The laws of nature are written by the hand of God in the language of mathematics." --Galileo Galilei
"I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with senses, reason, and intellect has intended us to forego their use." --Galileo Galilei
"Science is the process of thinking God's thoughts after Him." --Johannes Kepler
"The wisdom of the Lord is infinite as are also His glory and His power. Ye heavens, sing His praises; sun, moon, and planets, glorify Him in your ineffable language! Praise Him, celestial harmonies, and all ye who can comprehend them! And thou, my soul, praise thy Creator! It is by Him and in Him that all exist." --Johannes Kepler
"I had the intention of becoming a theologian...but now I see how God is, by my endeavors, also glorified in astronomy, for 'the heavens declare the glory of God.' " --Johannes Kepler
"To know the mighty works of God, to comprehend His wisdom and majesty and power; to appreciate, in degree, the wonderful workings of His laws, surely all this must be a pleasing and acceptable mode of worship to the Most High, to whom ignorance cannot be more grateful than knowledge." --Nicolaus Copernicus
I completely understand questioning everything. Especially after the last 4 years of seeing the lies so blatantly. I now believe they have been lying to us for much longer than that, i.e., 9/11, the Kennedy assassination, etc. I honestly wouldn't be surprised if they did fake the moon landing. However, I 100% believe the earth is round. Just because many things have been lies doesn't mean everything is. ♥️
Thanks for the discussion. Maybe I will convince you. BTW I am getting a NASB Bible and the app too! I can't stand The Message. My mother thought it was a good idea and got me a beautiful one I opened once.
The reason I am leaning toward flat earth is because they have their symbolism all over it and knowing sun worship is a pagan belief, they make it the center of our system. That is the reason I started doubting. I encourage you to question it and watch the links then please let me know what you think. Most people wouldn't even look, but if it is not of God, wouldn't you want to know?
I didn't think it possible myself, I just accepted what I was taught.... until I investigated. If you were taught flat earth from birth, you wouldn't believe it was round. I think it might be flat just based on NASA lies and the Bible. I could argue for both because I have studied a little flat earth, but someone who has not, cannot argue since they have not learned it.
Before I dive into your thoughtful response, here is the Biblical creation of sun and moon...
Gen 1 - vs. 1 God created the heavens and the earth at the same time. He said "light" and it was so, separating the from darkness...night and day... vs. 6,7 There was water everywhere until He created a "vault" (dome?) to separate the water from water. He separated the water under the vault from the water above it. (He is saying there is water under and above the vault. Therefore, if we went outside/above our vault, we would be in water. In the flat earth there is water above our "dome") He called the vault "sky." Def. Vault - Architectural term for an arched form used to provide a space with a ceiling or roof... It seems like a dome to me.
vs. 15 "and let them be lights in the vaultnof the sky to give light on the earth.” (They are close IN THE VAULT, and not 93 million miles away.)
16 "God made two great lights—the greater light to govern the day and the lesser light to govern the night. He also made the stars. 17 God set them in the vault of the sky to give light on the earth, " (The moon has it's own light not a reflection as told.)
Response: We don't feel that we are just another planet, but to others, they trust the science and not God who created it. We are perfectly the right distance from the sun for life to exist as God intended which is why it makes more sense that our sun is in our vault and not 93 mil mi away in space.
Helium is lighter than air and rises and nothing to do with gravity. It's made up scientism. If gravity were real we would not be flying in planes. Force, not gravity keeps us on the ground and allows planes to fly.
Job 38:14 is figuratively how God shaped the earth and mountains, but my point was how the earth is likely flat. God pressed the earth and it would not be a good metaphor if the earth was a ball.
Khan Academy is indoctinating and used to teach in public schools. It has its uses.
So when flying, do the pilots subtract the speed of the earth or add to it when flying to a destination? If the earth is moving and they are traveling the same direction then wouldn't they get there faster? Or the opposite direction and get there never?
I clocked a plane's speed when I was inside at over 300 MPH. I did not feel it so I see your point about not feeling the earth, but 300 MPH and 66,660 MPH is waaay different. A lot of 6's too...
Those philosphers theorized and were not men of God. They were deceivers and directed our eyes away from God and pointed people to scientism theories instead. Newton invented gravity in 1666 and he believed in a god, just not ours. Galileo was a sun worshipper and supported heliocentrism which is paganism. The sun is not the center of our galaxy. We are the center as God made it and the sun is in our vault and local. That is flat earth belief. Have you noticed our holidays have pagan roots? Have you thought about why the medical logo is a staff and 2 snakes? Even oreo cookies have pagan symbols on them. No joke. I think it is the leviathan or knights templar symbol.
John 5:19 says, "the whole world lies in the power of the evil one."
We have not left our vault. They sure get a lot of money for going nowhere. Astronaut Don Petite said we can't go back to the moon because they lost the technology. In 1969, Pres Nixon talked to the men on the moon with no time delay (which is faster than the speed of light) through the van allen belt and 250,000 miles... and traveled in a thing that looked less stable than a tin can. No way.
Hi Dawn, I hope you are doing well. This is a long video (4 hrs, 12 min), but it addresses many of the questions you had about the shape of the earth. You can also find it on Justin Peters podcast, Didache’, episode 119. Justin Peters is a trustworthy man of God who is Biblically sound. God bless. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZdI3mtHIyoA
Oh my goodness.... I just had this long reply typed out to you, and then accidentally closed it while shuffling other pages to include links!!! I am so mad at myself!!! It will take me some time to recreate it, and it's already midnight.... But I will!
It amuses me that the Flat Earther maps always show a circular map with the 'ice wall' running the entire circumference. Regarding this, sail vessels were going everywhere for the last 500 to 600 years at least and guess what? No reports of ever running into The Ice Wall.
Also, and something I'd like to know. This being it is my understanding is that the effective seeing distance to the horizon line is around fifty to sixty miles after which an object (vessel) begins to disappear over the horizon line. Is this distance correct figure? And with the superstructure being higher off the water line, the distance might well be extended some (a reason why lighthouses are built tall so as to extend the reach of the beacon.
I imagine Flat Earthers also don't believe in the space station and think that the photographic imagery of the globe earth is all a conjuring performed by Satanic Beings.
Well, don't crash through the ice wall. One breach might empty all the water out. And be careful to not hit your head on The Dome, otherwise you might hear some mighty peculiar things coming out of your mouth..
It’s definitely not the hill I’m going to die on, but there so no shame in asking questions about our Earth. How dark is the other side of the globe when we have both sun and moon over North America? How was the North Star reliable for navigation if we are spinning 1000 miles an hour and flying through space at 66,000 mph? Do pilots keep nosing down in flight to maintain correct altitude over the curve? Inquiring minds and all….
I appreciate that you think that these are serious questions, but they are not so much so ... at least, not so in any revolutionary sense. I won't waste my time here except to say:
1) Yes, the flight of an airplane does have to conform to the earth curvature. Due to scale, the adjustment is not noticeable. And so yes, the plane does have to maintain altitude over distance relative to curvature.
2) As pointed out yesterday by a ship's captain, vessels used spherical trigonometry for navigational purposes, and not plane geometry. And I figure a ship's captain with all his responsibilities must know his trade, or else not be a captain for long.
DeWife suggests you read Falling Flat by Danny M. Faulkner. And I trust the DeWife on this as she is no intellectual lightweight.
I appreciate you addressing my thoughts and questions. Usually people just name call and dismiss such wondering, just as I was name called and dismissed for my plandemic wondering.
Hi Nancy ... and I truly appreciate your reply. And yes, name calling and such is usually not too helpful. And yet discernment is incumbent upon us just as being a necessary tool of our survival and general well-being. That is, we should not desire to follow the fool to perdition, nor permit ourselves to be deceived by the errant learned, nor by the wicked seeking only their own gain, their own selfish self-aggrandisement. And by the way, the lines of demarcation are not always so crystal clear as we would like.
DeWife recently went through a long thing on Flat Earth with a longstanding acquiescence of hers. I initially though it a futile exercise, a sort of down the rabbit's hole and around the Looking Glass mission with hooka smoking caterpillars along the way. Actually, DeWife learned a great deal along the way. And I vicariously learned a thing or two as well. And so, I am glad not have tried to squash the thing.
Here's another plane thing. Say you are a passenger on a plane which is going 500 miles an hour at 35,000 feet at cruising speed. You get up from your seat. You walk forward towards the cockpit and then walk back towards the tail and your seat. Walking forward and your body is moving faster than the plane is relative to the ground. On the way back to your seat and walking towards the tail of the plane your body is actually moving slower then the plane relative to the ground. Do you ever notice this? Impossible because of scale. Your speed up and down the aisle relative to the airplane's speed is so infinitesimal a difference as to be undeclinable. And yet it is there, and it could be mathematically expressed by a simple math equation. But why would one wish to bother.
As to planes and cars, we can feel acceleration and deceleration. And we can also feel changes in angular momentum. But at cruising speed, you might as well be at home sitting in an easy chair and watching images flash by on the TV set. Whether on a plane or car it is the same. And the earth movement is very much the same. Simply stated the earth is like a really huge big moving plane or car. There is one huge difference. Since the earth's movements are constant, there is never any acceleration or deacceleration, nor is there any change in angular momentum.
I could say more, particular about methods good and bad of argumentation which are tells either to the good or bad. But instead, I will proffer and one opinion and one observation. My opinion is, and by means and construction, this Flat Earth stuff has the appearance of being a psy-opt deliberately designed to keep people at each other's throats as yet one more detraction from what is really going on. My observation is (in part) that the psy-opt has the effect of making Christians and Christianity look stupid, a subtle way of tearing down God. And also, there is your observation as to inducing name calling and dismissal. Also, there are similarities as to the Plandemic facilitation.
Again, nice to hear back from you. And with our best to you, both DeWife and Moi-Meme.
I would not call myself a flat earther, but do entertain the idea. I don't really care but I don't believe NASA.
There are reports and pics of the ice wall, and why are we not allowed to go to Antarctica? Suspect...
Distance makes an object become smaller but with a strong telescopic lens you can zoom into something that can't be seen. It looks like the sun is going down but it is further away... zoom in on setting sun... 30 seconds - https://www.bitchute.com/video/mJkizmk69MnN/
No to aliens... they are demons
No space station... We went to the moon in a tin can and now lost the tech to go back, talked to the pres on a landline with no delay from the moon??? Do you believe that and those fake pics/video from the moon? The shadows don't line up, the tracks are not there or dust disturbed from landing.
Because there are massive inconsistencies, anomalies in one thing does not mean that the another thing of a related type is not true. Whatever the case or cases may be.
And because most things in this world from 'on high' are mostly lies does not mean everything is a lie. And in point of fact, habitual liars like to blend lies and truth together precisely because it furthers their lie or lies.
And in cases where 'things don't add up', one does not always have to 'take a side' or come to determination until the final results are in beyond a reasonable question of doubt. For example, I don't know if space aliens exist or not. I can only tell you that to the best of my knowledge, I never saw one. And I don't know personally a single person who has ever claimed to have seen a space alien. However, and no matter how doubtful, just because I never saw a space alien in and of itself does not mean they don't exist. What I am implying here really has nothing to do with space aliens per se. It is more a caution to care in how one thinks, and in how one comes to conclusions. And by the way, jumping the shark with too much hasty enthusiasm is most definitely not a recommended methodology.
Nope. I am just speculating and keeping an open mind. I have, however, seen a lot of the flat earth truths that are very convincing and how NASA makes thing satanic.
I don't know for sure and won't unless I go to space myself. I don't believe NASA.
Are you being facetious? I am getting a beating here about flat earth.
I don't know but maybe... I am just curious. Science is based on theorizing and asking questions.
It is a wild conspiracy theory that I didn't want to entertain but... since they hide technology, history, lie about science, cause events like Maui fires, 911 etc, create division, allow invaders into the US, our health secretary dresses as a woman, our ex-1st lady "seems" to be a man, tricked us with vaxxes and on and on and on... Why is it such a stretch?
I am not being facetious. I saw that you were getting beat up and I wanted to support you. I have looked at evidence of flat earth and a lot of it makes sense. If you try to talk to anyone about it- well, you see what happens. I have no idea if the earth is flat or not, but no one else does either. Idk what happened with Neil Armstrong and his crew, but I’ve never seen a more miserable press conference. I admire that you tried to show evidence. Stand up for what you think is right even when you have to stand alone.
Air hug for you! LOL Thanks for the support. I can't be sure either but I put my training aside and considered it with an open mind. I take it with a grain of salt....
It didn't make sense to me until I saw the model and all the evil symbolism, numbers, NASA inconsistencies, and coincidences surrounding the globe model. It made me think it could be a lie so I decided to learn about flat earth.
People who have never looked at the compelling flat earth info can't understand or dispute it since they only know what they have been taught. Even the technology can be altered. They don't want to look and our programming matrix is very strong, plus there is so much deception.
People are willing to believe in aliens before flat earth. The whole thing/world is demonic and controlled by dark spiritual forces.
Stay grounded in God.
Ephesians 6:12 For our struggle is not against flesh and blood [contending only with physical opponents], but against the rulers, against the powers, against the world forces of this [present] darkness, against the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly (supernatural) places.
It's worth pointing out that "firmament" is not a great translation of the hebrew word here ("raqiya"), and is more a case of applying pre-existing assumptions into translation. And this isn't some kind of "liberal christianity" thing, either -- even young-earth creationist organisations don't think that it means "solid sky", for example here: https://creation.com/is-the-raqiya-firmament-a-solid-dome (that's the first hit that pops up when you search their site for "firmament").
So by all means question things and investigate it for yourself, just don't assume that translations of the bible always got it 100% right - question them too!
I’m glad that the FDA had to take down their ivermectin posts, but until they actually have to publicly announce ‘we were wrong’, it won’t make any difference. The media isn’t covering it, so who but those of us reading alternative media will even know it happened? And we’ve already known they were lying about IVM for YEARS now.
Also, Elon Musk is doing the Lord’s work when it comes to free speech. There are things not to like about the guy, but he is surely putting his money where his mouth is. He’s being sued by COUNTRIES - Brazil, and Australia, that I know of - and not only is he not backing down, he’s on offense. I think he’s a pivotal figure, like Trump, in the sea change that is happening. Remember that we don’t have to like everything about a person to respect what they’re doing. We are all flawed human beings. Musk at least gives me some hope.
I have a pretty simple formula for knowing the truth / setting my moral compass / confirming my beliefs: anything the lunatic & demonic left are for, I am against. Anything they are against, I am for. Abortion, trannies, “climate change”, gun control, Ukraine, Gaza, on & on.
Eek! My 3 kids were not vaxxed with anything soon after birth because I birthed them all at home, with wonderful midwives. They also didn’t get that awful stuff put in their eyes, so they were able to see, too look around, to see me and their dad, in total peace and calm. That was lovely.
Back in 1978 I refused silver nitrate. Eye-stingingly given to newborns to protect them from gonorrhea. A child born to parents who were virgin until wed has no chance of an STD.
Yes, and even if the parents were not virgins before marrying, and/or had a few partners, their chances of having an STD were probably low (unless they were very promiscuous or making really bad choices).
We slowly, unconsciously, became the most medicalized country on earth — while we also became the sickest. Causation AND Correlation.
Pediatrician Dr. Paul Thomas of Oregon did a study of the vaxxed/unvaxxed kids in his clinic. The Oregon medical board stripped him of his license for publishing his study.
There are little signs stuck all around my town advertising an “Autism Event” later this month at our fairgrounds. The signs show fun characters and balloons and make it seem like a normal, happy, fun time of learning about autism. Never saw this before. And I’m starting to feel like ADHD (also rare before the child vax schedule grew so massive) is also related to vaccines. And what else!! We are right to question this.
It is normal now. Because so many kids got vaxxines and now have it! They have normalized something that devastates people and families. Just like cancer and yes, just like ADD and ADHD.
They are wicked people who inflict harm and then normalize the harm. Desensitize society to what evils they are perpetrating on innocent people. All of this has been crimes against humanity. All of it.
Allergies can be environmental and genetically predisposed as well. But they can also be vax induced. Especially food allergies. Read up on it in The Peanut Allergy Epidemic by Heather Frasier. Allergies are an immune system regulation issue. Anything you do to tinker with the immune system is going to potentially induce allergies of any kind.
I was going to say that. Also to add, just because someone has allergies doesn't mean it IS from vaxxines. Your daughter would be proof of that. However, what used to be rare and occasionally is now everyday normal and tons of people. All these health issues used to be 1 in a million per se. It’s no longer “rare”.
It’s too bad we don’t have a health agency that could pull the legit data from back before childhood vaxxines were pushed by big Harma, and after they were pushed on us. 🤔 We’d probably know more definitively what caused what. 🤦🏼♀️ It’s almost like they don’t want us to know.
I will shout it again and again from the rooftops. My foster (now adopted) child was Dtap vax injured. Life in a wheelchair. Can’t talk or eat. Beautiful mind, great sense of humor, mostly joyfully. I try to tell all parents not to vax. I used to be scared to get into those debates. Not anymore. Years of research- bring it on!
My little ones did not have that sort of start. In fact they were all five born via cesarean section. It was a medical requirement of mine and it brought us into the glaring light of operating rooms and yet still it was lovely!
I🔥🔥🔥I beg everyone to look up three words! Democracy and Constitutional Republic. There is a huge difference. It is time to wake up and start using the correct terminology for our country or there will be
NO "for the people". We have been living in a country with self serving leaders and they will do what they want regardless of "for the people!"
Yes, so glad you brought that up! Even Trump has used the word Democracy in one of his speeches. I can’t even believe the number of politicians that use that word. They all need to look up the difference.
”And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifested in the flesh, Justified in the Spirit, Seen by angels, Preached among the Gentiles, Believed on in the world, Received up in glory.“
Me too--glad someone with millions of followers can spread the well-grounded doubt on the shots. If he hasn't already, Joe should have Aaron Siri on his show to give his presentation regarding what those shots are built on (the studies, er, lack of studies).
I feel the same. If I ever get another dog, it will NEVER get the rabies vax. If they are house pets and not in the woods, etc., they don't need a rabies vax. The probability of my dog getting rabies is about the same odds as Fauci returning his $Billions and running off to join the Peace Corps. I actually checked the facts and the last time a domestic animal got rabies in my area was like 60 years ago. Big Pharma.....again.
I read up on the odds raccoons are infected and read a hard to believe statistic that 40% are infected … would there even be any raccoons if 40% contracted rabies??? Then a few weeks ago I read an article about a new effort to vaccinate entire populations of woodland animals using sneaky things like doses delivered oral treats and treated water sources … I put the two together then … I am betting all I have that the study that found the40% infection rate was industry funded
"Conclusion: corporate media promotes evil and ignores good."
Absolutely. When you see the garbage articles they print about sexual topics like threesomes, etc. with absolutely no shame, you know they are pushing more and more 'worship' of the pagan sex god (demon) they have sworn to worship.
It just gets more and more sordid, creating their desired desensitization towards it all.
Satan hates Christianity.
They are Satan's willing servants.
They hate Christian morality.
Lord have mercy on this modern day Sodom and Gomorrah they have created. 🙏
“America, it seems to me, has reached a point of depravity not far distant from the level of wickedness reached in the city in which Abraham’s nephew, Lot, chose to live. We’ve looked at the Sodom-likeness of our own nation a number of times in these commentaries. But never before has such a degree of Sodom-likeness materialized, in my view.”
Maybe file Ms. Ray’s conversion with John Fetterman’s “I’m not woke anymore” switcheroo for now. I’d have treated the conversion of “chief of sinners” Saul of Tarsus the same way back in the 1st century. John 4:1-3 warns, “Do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world. This is how you can recognize the Spirit of God: Every spirit that acknowledges that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God, but every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you have heard is coming and even now is already in the world.” Miraculous conversions do happen, praise God, and the apostle formerly known as Saul cleared the hurdle, but our times call for caution and sober judgment. “For false messiahs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect” (Matthew 24:24).
What I took away from this is the part about out the guy who set her up with an OnlyFans account and took much of the money. Isn’t that just a new age pimp? Setting up girls online, holding the password to the account, taking a big cut of the revenue from her John’s…..
What saddens me is how normal society and culture have made these ideas of online sexual stuff (nude posing, etc) to young women, so that such an offer as she received wasn't rejected. At 20 years old, no girl I knew who was from a nice family would have considered doing such a thing in the 70s.
Agree, but there is a fine line drawn on what is acceptable by society..like posing somewhat provocatively in a bikini on Facebook or Instagram is now totally acceptable, so...
And apparently it isn't just young girls on this site..I have read about mothers, nurses, politicians, etc.
The girl Jeff mentions was a Pastor's daughter. I do not blame the family. I blame a culture whose influence is much stronger than you think.
I also blame the lust and lure of big money which ditching one's family's morality to do stuff like this can bring them.
Look at actresses and actors today.
They have all done nude scenes and similated sex scenes nude. IMO, as a Christian, they are immoral to do them, (a small step away from actual pornography), but satan's disciples (entertainment industry) are requiring it for their 'career' and for the big money 💰 they get in return. So does 'immorality' even exist as a concept in this neo pagan culture? No it does not. Neither does 'character' because it ties in too much to Christian values and morality.
I listened to the whole interview. She had a very dysfunctional family, and the young lady is quite mixed-up. As she talked through her chronology, you could easily see trouble on the horizon. I hope she gets to a better place in her life.
So, after listening to her interview, it seems that some guy TRIED to get her to sign up with a link that would get him a cut or something, but she said something like "I was like, why would I do that? I signed up on my own, and made sure I had complete control over my own content."
Which has in some ways turned out to be a good thing, because she says she now has a lawyer going after sites that have stolen her content to take it down, because she still has all legal right to it. (Though it sounds like she is accepting that she will never completely get rid of it all, and lives with the consequences of her choices.)
To me, she sounds legit - the way she talks about her conversion and having meaning in her life seems so joyful, in a way that I can't see somebody faking. And the fact that she completely deleted her onlyfans, even though she could have kept it up with her old content on there and continued making good money from it, and talks about how rationally she WANTED to keep it up because it "makes sense" to keep herself financially secure, but decided she couldn't because the Spirit was convicting her that it wasn't right.
99.9% of animals consumed for food have 'vaccines' and antibiotics and growth hormones added to the genetically engineered grain and other crap they are given as food.
I thought the supposed culinary capital of the world would care more about the safety of what they are consuming. Ofcourse, they believe that vaccines are good, so no conflict, I guess. 🤷
Lots of people there do care about food and are against antibiotics and GMOs and pesticides and things like that. They probably are more interested and sensitized than many Americans are on the subject tbh.
Yes, I've seen many people comment about having gone to Europe and most people are not fat, and they eat what would not be considered the healthiest carb breakfast and they lose weight while they're in Europe!
Vaccinating birds for “viruses” is so sad — especially since they don’t exist. Fauci has tricked the world with HIV and Covid and unfortunately that is now affecting animals: https://unorthodoxy.substack.com/p/why-it-does-matter
Glad someone else noticed that. They always tell you what they're going to do. Not that long ago, the word "depopulate" was a curse word and not to be used for fear of giving ammo to "conspiracy theorists." Now, here it is in print.
During the scamdemic, they injected most of the zoo animals with a concoction made by Zoetis, a former Pfizer subsidiary. That took care of most of the mammals, so they are going after the birds now.
I recall reading that "birds don't exist" was a deliberate prank/troll by someone to see how far he could get with it. I'm not sure how many people actually took him seriously, vs people who thought it was funny and joined in...
(Small correction, I think the slogan was "birds aren't real", rather than "birds don't exist". Only remembered that after I posted.)
Tom Haviland (worldwide embalmer blood clot survey) and embalmer Richard Hirschman’s interview with Sharyl Attkisson just aired on mainstream media yesterday.
Great video coverage including some footage from a Cath lab whistleblower. Haviland makes an excellent point - there are many professionals present during a cath lab procedure - surgeons, cardiologists, anesthesiologists, nurses - who are witnessing this and not coming forward. Know anyone in Cath lab? Please show them this.
Potential mechanism for the clot formation is also discussed. Fabulous work by all!
The FDA tweet “you are not a horse, ya’ll” was actually harmful. A person at work argued it was “horse paste” and they had no clue that it is an award-winning drug with decades of proven history. FDA=misinformation.
That tweet made me sick at the time (still does). How condescending and talk about misinformation. Plus it gave the ***holes license to be even more derisive to people who had legitimate questions.
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Can we just get over the condescending Karen/Ken digs y’all?
Oh no, I’m sorry Karen and you’re totally right! That actually gets on my nerves too. Was posting too fast this morning!
Thank you, glad I got it off my chest. 🌺
I edited - thanks for the heads up!
I know right. It’s probably annoying to Brandons too. Its a trend that will pass.
I’ve tried to stop calling people Dicks, it’s really hard to stop 😬🤣
LOL!
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Hahahaha! So sorry! 🤭
That sounds like sorry, not sorry 😆
Karen….I saw part of a reply from you about the Bend Oregon connection. I haven’t been able to locate that thread but I think you were asking where is HSV….it’s Huntsville AL aka Rocket City.
I replied in substack too!
Yes, it was intended to be patronizing to fly over country. Sickening.
Yeah all of those “dumb” farmer types who didn’t know the difference between meds for humans and meds for animals 🙄🙄🙄 Their superiority complex is so sickening 😡
There is no difference between meds for people and humans. All drugs go through animal trials. There are a few drugs that are toxic on people but safe on certain animals, but a y drug that is used for both people and animals are the same drug.
Taking horse paste? It's as safe for you as it is for a horse. Just get the correct dosage
Yes I know. Which is why this whole condescending attitude about people being “so dumb” that they use “animal medications” really galls me.
Not only does Ivermectin help treat COVID but, lots of stories out recently on Ivermectin as part of a treatment for many cancers. It’s clear that inexpensive and effective Ivermectin threatened the Covid Vax Complex / Cancer Treatment Complex.
I have also read about it as a cancer treatment. It was not shared as a treatment option by our oncologist when we were dealing with cancer. I’m still looking into it though.
Another promising cancer treatment is another anti parasitic drug called fenbendazole!
Ty Kathy! I knew it started w aF
Looking into that! Thanks!
2nd smartest guy in the world has a substack covering ivermectin and fenbendazole.
wife said Fenbendezole, which is just a more narrow spectrum anti parasite drug, is what put her cancer into remission. She took a lot of supplements, and did a number of holistic things, but swears by Fenben. She still takes it, and after listening to Dr. Lee Merritt talk about how parasites are behind most diseases, I just started a monthly dose (3X in a week). BTW we did it with NO involvement of an oncologist or any allopathic Dr. Plenty of information about doing it holistically out there to read. In our humble opinion, oncologists aer money grabbing evil quacks, in a profession that should be disbanded.
2nd Smartest Guy in the World, Substack, has been promoting Ivermectin and Fenbendazole, as a cancer treatment , for a couple of years.
Wondering how you obtained the fenbendazole. Does it require a prescription?
https://open.substack.com/pub/2ndsmartestguyintheworld/p/case-report-triple-negative-breast?r=qjp3s&utm_medium=ios
There are links to fenbendazole purchase at bottom of page.
I use Panacur C for dogs. 222 mg.per dose. I get mine at a local feed store, tractor supply or chewy.
no. She took the 222 mg for a year and a half, then after she saw Dr. Tennant , he recommended the 500 mg. You can also buy it as Safeguard or Panacur for dogs and cats, , which is what she did before Big Pharma allowed it to be marketed directly to humans.
info@thehappyhealingstore.com
Nah, you can buy it on Amazon.
I wrote it down. Thanks.
Also, lots of info from this Fenben Substack: https://fenbendazole.substack.com/archive?sort=new
Thanks!
Joe Tippen has a protocol, he suggests getting a functional med person on board. Best of luck. ❤️
I wish there was a good source for a list of doctors who are willing to think holistically and go “outside the box” with their patients. My doc is totally “by the book”, but she knows I have critical thinking skills and always research the hell out of everything. Still, I would switch docs in a heartbeat if I found a local one who actually *thinks* about treatments and is open to all options.
I go to a regular doc for my Medicare annual, but have regular bloodwork through my naturopath. He has a doc in his office and we use her name when we do bloodwork. Naturopaths test for a lot more than regular docs do.
Functional medicine docs are usually pretty good, and anti-jabs. I think it’s best to have both kinds of docs, regular MDs and naturopath/functional med doc.
FLCCC.net has a list of docs who prescribe for covid. So those docs may be at least more open minded. Some are conventional and some are functional med.
Oncologists rarely mention anything other than a pharmaceutical drug. My daughter’s dr told us there was “no evidence” that any supplements helped mitigate cancer.
The "no evidence" likely comes from no long-term placebo controlled studies having been done since the studies re so epensive that unless something is a new patentable drug, the study investors would never recoup their investment.
They’re such liars.
Horrible, dangerous liars.
Dr Marik (FLCCC founder) has a book out recently thoroughly exploring alternative and adjunct treatments for cancer. It's called "Cancer Care: The Role of Repurposed Drugs and Metabolic Interventions in Treating Cancer."
Have you seen Dr Marik’s book on alternative cancer therapies on the FLCCC.net website? You might be interested. And of course your oncologist is not going to share information about IVM. First, they likely have no clue as to its usefulness and second, it isn’t in any of their Guidelines, so they wouldn’t prescribe it for that reason.
Fenbendazole
Thank you!
The article I read in The Epoch Times, suggested it was not completely effective alone, but that it really enhanced chemotherapy and other therapies for cancer, with surprisingly potent results in a short time for some patients. (Maybe it targets the percentage of cancer that is bacteria or parasite driven?)
I use it on my cold sores. Stops 'em and heals 'em......FAST.
But I think my teeth are getting bigger........ROFL.
It is also part of the protocols for recovery from damage from the jabs, due to its anti-inflammatory and immune modulating effects, as well as being anti-clotting
Epoch Times just ran an article about it.
Fake Data Administration
FDA should have been required to paste a big red “RETRACTED” sign over it instead of a simple removal. Is a “we were wrong” label too much to ask?
How about every single staff member or associate of the FDA have to wear a great big red "R" on their clothing every single day like the big "A" adulterous women had to wear back in the day? (The R could also stand for retarded. So.)
My vote is 'M' for murderer.
C - for corrupt & captured.
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“People are dead now because of what the FDA did. But the needle just moved a little in the right direction. The ivermectin horse is out of the barn. The FDA looks like a jackass.”
— Jeff Childers
Yes, it did a lot of harm. They wanted to place in people's minds that it was mock-worthy to even consider Ivermectin. It was a way to turn off careful thought before it even began. So many people lost their lives because they never got the right information. They didn't know where to find it and were made to feel foolish to look.
And were even actively prevented from accessing it!
USPS was even intercepting packages of ivermectin shipped from overseas and confiscating them.
I heard that too 😡
Emergency authorization conditions as I understand it required that there were no other viable alternative treatments. So they needed to demonize alternatives to roll out the experiments without being sued.
I was kicked off of a local Meetup site by self-proclaimed "experts" when I took to task two members who called me a fringe nut who believed in "horse-paste" ... because I mentioned that I didn't wear a mask! I will bet that to this day these "experts" think they did nothing wrong and would still claim that Ivermectin is solely a horse dewormer.
Apparently refugees are horses since it’s routinely prescribed for them 😑
Open-minded inclusive bunch aren’t they… unable to explore information available.
Able but unwilling perhaps?
Gotta love a government that spreads misinformation like a wildfire disease and then harasses and jails normal citizens who question their sanity.
Fake Drug Advocates = FDA
I know - I had to stop taking aspirin:
https://www.amazon.com/AspirEze-Pain-Relief-for-Horses/dp/B011YHBGKU
I’ve switched to aspirin from the other crap like Tylenol for pain relief which is actually more dangerous but big money makers. Aspirin has other health benefits. We’re being conned there too.
I agree with you, but aspirin is still an NSAID which can still cause internal bleeding. Occasional use is probably fine, but for long-term anti-inflammatory action one might consider something like serrapeptase and/or curcumin with piperine.
I like the curamed painkiller. Found it at our local health food store. It works quite well for any muscle / joint paint. I’m keeping aspirin in my medicine cabinet as well though. No more Tylenol.
Any pain med should be short term. If you have chronic inflammatory pain, examine your diet.
I made note that the health industry stopped recommending daily usage of aspirin for older adults - during Covid they stopped recommending it. Interesting that aspirin just happens to be part of the protocol recommended to sail through covid symptoms. Timing was impeccable.
That's how you knew that aspirin was a good treatment to prevent more severe cases of COVID - they stopped recommending it.
Exactly!!
I pharmacist told me this years ago. It’s anti inflammatory effects are superior to other NSAIDS like ibuprofen. But use caution if you take NATTOKINASE or a prescription blood thinners.
Aspirin is very good drug. Take lots of water with it and and crush it into a powder first.
Alka Seltzer!
Good morning PE Bird. Have you had positive outcomes with this. My husband tore his rotator cuff and it flares up from time to time.
I thought PF made a joke based on FDA claiming that medicines used for animals are not effective in humans. IDK. Hard to tell in text. Anyway, per the FDA logic, aspire is good for horses, so humans shouldn’t use it because we are not horses, ya’ll! 😂😂
Fenben, and ozone, are two of the keys to my wife beating cancer. And guess where she learned it? From a holistic vet who treated one of our dogs.
And we stopped taking ALL OTC (and scrip) painkillers. Even aspirin has undesirable side effects. Most cancer books also tell you there is an inverse relationship to longevity and the amount of antibiotics you take in your life.
Ozone! I’ve used it for years to remove smells from cars and rooms. Have not heard of the therapy but found this article thanks to your tip!
https://michaelkummer.com/health/ozone-therapy-benefits/
We have an ozone air purifier we bought ~6 months ago, but bought an oxygen tank and an ozone maker to make ozone water, and use after an enema. Visited a specialist who used ultra pure 6 filter water and ozone to truly clean out your intestines, liver , gall bladder, everything. In a two hour session, he would pass ~60 gallons of water and ~11 liters of ozone through you. We only get roughly 750 ml and 52 gamma when use our home unit. We give the dogs ozone water every day. have tried it anally for them, but they really don't like it, so we stopped. Again, a vet is the first [person to recommend this (for the dogs)
Yeah I stopped using Tylenol and switched to aspirin. I thought PE might know something I don’t.
Tylenol is a poison & you can commit suicide if you take over 1500 mg. If you take the normal dose, it damages your liver.. Tylenol ought to be withdrawn from the market. Also, it does not relieve pain.
Tylenol is also absolutely the worst thing you can give a baby/child after a vaccine. Makes things worse. Wish I'd known that too when my kids were little. (No, I would not vaccinate my kids for anything if I had it to do all over again.)
I got the joke, too:)
Safe and effective?
That’s awesome! 👏
My initial thought to the FDA tweet was to use their redefined terms of ‘identity’ and false narrative against them to stop this type of ‘hate speech’.
How dare you FDA! I identify as a horse, SO give me my ivermectin and no one gets stomped with my horse hooves! 🐎 🐴 🤨
LOL could someone identify as a horse but still get the human version? So many questions…
My response can only be ‘Neigh!’
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My sister did and she used it on horses for decades. I remember her huff and puff text to me proclaiming it was for animals only. Stoooopid me 🤷🏼♀️
I don’t know anyone who used the animal version but I’ve read about them and saw videos for years. They adjust the doseage. It would be front page news if it was killing people.
She should’ve checked out the protocols for asylum seekers and refugees then 😑
Horses are extremely sensitive animals. You actually can give an 80 pound dog a larger dose of an anti inflammatory drug than a 800 pound horse.
Yes, and if you give homeopathics to a horse they just need a few drops. It's amazing how sensitive they are. 🐴
...that the US federal government all but REQUIRES incoming refugees to take. So it's safe for refugees, but American citizens must be banned from getting it.
Some people in government and in the so-called "health" agencies need to be tried, and if convicted, swing.
I know!!! That makes me so mad!! There are so many meds also used for animals, you might as well call antibiotics like tetracyclines “cow antibiotics” or call Prozac “dog antidepressant” 🙄🙄🙄
I had a (40yr) practicing RN friend tell me it was a medicine for animals and she wasn’t going to argue with me!
I had a friend who was a Veterinary assistant for decades and told me that many, many, many of the drugs used in the vet world are just relabeled from the human drugs to animal drugs. Composition is the same.
Of course! Increased customer base species increases profits!
That kind of person really makes me 🙄🙄🙄 They act like know-it-alls because of their credentials but they really have no clue what they are talking about 🙄
Like a former pharmacist friend who insisted her pediatrician husband knew all about masks and PCR tests when he didn’t know anything but what he’d been told by his medical association and the CDC 🙄🙄🙄
I worked in air and liquid filtration for a while and knew from real science that masks could not achieve what they said. Pressure differential, velocity, media type and media handling were totally ignored.
Exactly!
”The heavens declare the glory of God; And the firmament shows His handiwork.“
Psalms 19:1 NKJV
https://bible.com/bible/114/psa.19.1.NKJV
This verse was what made me look seriously into the topic of “Flat Earth” — the firmament: https://unorthodoxy.substack.com/p/lies-not-discussed-within-the-truth
There are so many ways to respond to the Flat Earth ‘belief system’ that it would take a rather long post to do so here. But let me just lay this one down: I am a former Merchant Marine Captain, who was fortunate enough to begin my career during the time when global electronic navigation had sufficient gaps in (good) coverage to require celestial, as well as other forms/elements of oceanic navigation to be used. In both celestial, as well as Great Circle navigation, Spherical Trigonometry was used - not Plane Geometry. We are all very familiar with the saying that, ‘The shortest distance between two points is a straight line.’ But, if one set out on a long trans-oceanic voyage and did not use Great Circle Sailing calculations to determine one’s waypoints along the route, one would end up with the certain knowledge that it is a ‘straight’ line is actually a curve across the surface of our planet.
During celestial navigation, we used both Marine and Air Navigation Tables derived from Spherical Trigonometry calculations. I’m confident that there are still many long-distance military and civilian pilots alive who can testify to using the same methods on certain flights in the days prior to fullest development of electronic navigation systems such as LORAN, or the advent of GPS.
Hello, Captain. I’m a former Merchant Marine. I sailed as part of the unlicensed crew and mostly as part of the Black Gang (for non-merchant marines, this term has only to do with being in the engine room elbows deep in grease and grime). On one ship, I was full-time engine room while at sea and worked the deck department during mooring. The captain permitted me, after working my shift and overtime in the engine room, to spend nights on the flying bridge learning navigation using the stars and a sextant during the cumulative 34 days we traversed the Atlantic. I found the learning much more in-depth than the blips on the screen style navigation methods which were also available. The stars are amazing out at sea! I don’t run into many Merchant Marines these days. Fair winds and following seas to you and yours. Good day, Captain.
Wonderful to hear of our shared experiences Lauri! I started in the Engine Room, but quickly realized that Deck was for me! But I loved the Engine Room, and we never under-estimated our need for, or dependence upon, the efforts of that Department! God bless!
I learned how to use a sexant, Naval Almanac, and a watch set to the radio time tick to find latitude/longitude. So fun to work a sextant! Bringing the sun or another star down to the horizon. The clockwork of the sky..
I really think this flat earth nonsense is a psyop to attempt to discredit all “conspiracy theories” and to warn against the “dangers” of thinking for yourself. Don’t fall for it.
I agree, but I’d go one small step further - I’d say it’s primarily intended to undermine the credibility of Bible-believing Christians, many of whom I’ve encountered maintain that they believe it, ‘because the Bible teaches it’…
To be clear, I thank God for the Bible (Old & New Testaments); I literally believe it to be the ultimate authority in regard to anything it touches upon, and the MOST valuable ‘thing’ in our world. It saddens me greatly, however, to see the errors and mistaken beliefs that good, well-meaning people can fall into, when they fail to ‘rightly divide’ the Word.
In my view, the ‘framework’ with which one interacts with the Bible determines, to a very large extent, one’s understanding of the profound, yet often simple, truths expressed within its bounds. I think of those ‘frameworks’ in a manner similar to eyeglass ‘lenses’, the ‘right’ prescription corrects distortions and enables one to see reality correctly both near and far. As one moves further away from that proper and correct prescription, distortions begin to be introduced and, in the far end of that scale, the individual is effectively ‘blind’ to vast amounts of truth that is all around them.
Of course, these statements are probably akin to kicking a hornets nest, as there are vast numbers of people who are so wedded to their time-honored theological perspectives that they feel anything which threatens the full body of Systematic Theology they subscribe to is roughly equivalent to ‘the unforgivable sin’ - which is extremely sad.
Don’t misunderstand me; I DO believe that a sincere Bible believer must guard against error, and the wiles of the Devil, who seeks to pervert and undermine God’s Word - and those who have placed their faith and trust in it. But, as in so many other cases today, the vast majority of people seem to take the ‘easy’ way out, choosing to take and fight for positions because, ‘whatever ‘they’ believe, I believe’, rather than seriously examining the Scriptures, relying on the Holy Spirit to guide and instruct, as the Bereans did with the Apostle Paul’s teachings. The saddest thing of all, to me, is the ‘spirit’ with which the leaders and/or adherents of various groups within Christendom attack one another. All I can say is that such behavior is very definitely not Christ-like, and the following verse seems quite appropriate:
Luke 9:55
But He turned and rebuked them, and said, “You do not know what manner of spirit you are of.
One of my long-time phrases:
"I refuse to put God in a box! He is God and He can do anything He likes."
That what I think, a psy-opt cultivated make Christians look ignorant stupid. And also to sow dissension, interminable bickering, division ... the usual smashing of the mirror tactics.
I even seen some alleged Christian Flater Earthers say if you don't believe such and such verse means such and such, then you are a heretic. And also, I've seen Humpty Dumpty made up terms like 'Biblical Cosmology' as if a serious scientific discipline could be possibly extracted, lifted out whole and intact from Scripture.
Agree. Dr. Jason Lisle, a Christian astrophysicist (biblicalscienceinstitute.com) is a wonderful resource for Christians in researching the truth about the earth.
Thank you Michelle; I’m not familiar with him or the Institute, but I will look into both.
Thanks again; may the Lord richly bless you!
A collection of links from Dr. Lisle's site on flat earth: https://biblicalscienceinstitute.com/tag/flat-earth/?order=asc
Much appreciated, I’ve already followed the links! Are you familiar with Dr. Hugh Ross, and the website Reasons to Believe?
https://reasons.org/about
I can see from the FAQ that I disagree with Ross on a few things. I believe in a young earth (no Big Bang) and global flood.
TBH Michelle, you’ve probably checked out his site further than I have; I’ve only seen him participate in discussions/debates regarding Young vs Old Earth, or speak to limited astrophysics subjects. My thoughts have been to explore further; I just haven’t gotten around to it - yet! Now, I’ll probably move it up the priority chain.
I do believe in a global flood, and would definitely disagree with anyone on that question. However, I disagree with many of my Christian Brothers and Sisters, as well as many of the Christian leaders and Bible Teachers I greatly respect, over the age of the Earth issue. I have seen and heard many proclaim that not believing in a Young Earth is heretical; that it ‘undermines the foundation of the Bible’, and various other things that basically amount to disbelief and, therefore, SIN… My heart grieves when I hear these people say such things, because I firmly believe that the Bible does not, specifically, give us the Creation age of the Earth. Very often, it seems to me that the Young Earth adherents main concern is that an Old Earth belief gives the Evolutionists cover for their claims. I understand their logic, but consider it flawed, because the Bible makes it very, very clear that God created all things; originally from ‘no-things’, by speaking them into existence - not through evolutionary processes. There is no question of that, and I would agree that anyone who does not accept that is, in fact, a heretic/false teacher - or someone who has been deceived by/fallen under the spell of such a teacher.
Again, a BIG subject, almost guaranteed to excite passionate (and often, tragically, very un-Christian) responses.
I firmly reject the contention that belief in an Old Earth = Apostacy/Hearsy/False Teaching/Cop-Out to Gain Acceptsnce from ‘the World’. BUT, it is not a salvation issue! What someone believes about Jesus Christ, as Son of God, the sacrifice for Sin, the Ressurection, and that He (and only He) is the only - and essential - way to be Born Again; The Way, The Truth, and The Life - that is the matter on which Salvation and Eternal Life rests, and only that. This doesn’t mean that nothing else matters, because the rest of the Bible revelations do matter a tremendous amount! The proper understanding and integration of the other Truths revealed in the Bible have very profound practical implications; for the individual (particularly the quality of their relationship with God), his/her family and friends, and, ultimately, for the glory of God and His Kingdom.
Again, a longer post than I expected. Thank you for all your sharing!
I've heard that name before, but haven't read/seen anything of his. I will check out your link. Thank you!
Wait till the aliens from outer space psyops gets in gear! You can see it being pre-programmed in the entertainment media already.
John 10:16 Jesus says “And other sheep I have which are not of this fold; them also I must bring, and they will hear My voice; and there will be one flock and one shepherd” This could mean gentiles, aliens, angels. Yes we can’t put God in a box. All creatures are created by God and that includes aliens if they exist. It won’t change my belief in Jesus and God.
I agree with your sentiment totally. God is the Creator of all creation. However, in this passage, Jesus was referring specifically to the change in God's covenant with Israel with the coming of the Messiah. He is referring to the grafting in of the wild olive branches (Gentiles) into the native olive tree (the Israel of God) and all will be the body of Christ on earth with one Lord, the risen King.
du-du du-du dooo-du and onto the Twilight Zone where the unreal is the real. But really, all I can tell you is that I haven't ever seen the a space alien. But DeWife on the other hand claims that I am a space. And so whereas I have not, maybe she has. (Mysteries of the Universe!)
Here's McLeod. Always clear and straight up. You should not miss it.
Interview with Anthony Fatseas of WT Finance
https://alasdairmacleod.substack.com/p/interview-with-anthony-fatseas-of?utm_source=profile&utm_medium=reader2
Question: is 'Fatseas' a Space Alien pater familias ? 'Fatseas' seems a rathe 'out there' last name?
There must be something in the ether. I just finished writing a comment about the debt trap which I'll post in the morning. Haven't seen your video yet...it's on my to-do list but I suspect it's on the same subject.
Let me see ... the either? Or maybe that's the either in the either? Or the ether in the ethernet? Or either, ether ... or the either ether ore ???? I quite don't have the clue no more what with the ice wall, the dome and now the black sun under the flat disc with the hole in it. Or is the the desk or the здесь, or what with all these words all sounding hopelessly the same. Plus I am paranoid because I think that 'somebody' is trying to kill 2 billion or 5 billion or more people, turn ants in man eating robots plus turn Dunkin' Donuts into frisbee-like flying bio-weapons ... and one toss ... kha-dong you're dead !!!!
Well, the debt trap. I am more straight up on that. The debt trap is what you get when you let avaricious rampaging three to five year olds run government and the financial institutions ... and all with Monopoly Money supplied courtesy of the Parker Brothers. Somebody ends up with the Boardwalk, Park Place and all the banks and railroads and the rest of us find ourselves flat broke and living in sticky roach traps. That is the debt trap.
I do find it funny that it's okay to believe in alien species from out in the galaxy though. They don't call that a conspiracy theory. I often wonder if an intelligent species did come to the planet one time, watched the humans, shook their heads and said "We don't need to worry about them. They will destroy themselves then we can come back and clean up the mess." JK.
Well that’s useful to the so called elites. Look up project blue beam.
Just question everything.... Not long ago we were taught flat earth. The WHO logo is flat earth.
NASA lies and they push globe really hard... so why not question it?
There is a lot of Biblical evidence as well, and very old Bibles actually say flat earth and NASA's numbers about the earth are "strange"...
Why does it matter? It matters because globe earth makes us insignificant in the realm of things.
Flat earth shows that the moon and stars rotate around us so we are the center which makes earth significant to God as he made it all for us.
I really don't know but I am starting to believe the opposite of what they tell us since it is often the case. BTW masons have a different perspective and we all know astronots are masons so...
'Supposed' Freemason draws true depiction of Earth
https://www.bitchute.com/video/CrjwTWKOyIV3/
I do agree to question everything but that doesn’t necessitate that everything we think we know is wrong. A lot is, yes, but everything, no. Re flat earth, ask a military sniper, sailor or pilot.
If they are masons, they will lie so....
I would say at least half of what we've been taught is wrong about history and science especially.
The problem is, though, if you go far enough down that path you can end up thinking "anyone who tells me I'm wrong is lying to me because they are part of the conspiracy", and then your belief becomes literally unfalsifiable, and it's then no longer a genuine search for truth but just a search for more ways to justify a belief. So just, be cautious and use a consistent standard for when to believe or disbelieve people.
That is pretty extreme. I just wonder about them. If there is enough evidence, I consider it.
It is a clown world when our president can't stand trial for a crime, but can still run the country....
Stay sane!
Here are a couple related quotes...
The test of a first-rate intelligence is the ability to hold two opposed ideas in the mind at the same time and still retain the ability to function. - F. Scott Fitzgerald
CIA Director William Casey - "We'll
know our disinformation program is complete
when everything the American public believes is
false" (not sure if true but CIA does worse)
It is not a matter of what is true that counts, but a matter of what is perceived to be true. - Henry A. Kissinger
In the 19th century to the early 20th, there was a Utopian community in Estero, Florida, called Koreshan. Their model of the earth has the surface of the earth on the inside of a sphere, with the sun. and planets in the center. There are still people who believe this theory, particularly in Germany, despite the impossibility of this model.
IDK about that group, but in science and math, you can calculate things/data to be what you want it to show.
They estimate the earth is 20-400 million years old? Right....
It's all BS.
Maybe I should take the globe off the mantle and put up a computer disc in its place. But I have a real problem. I can't figure out what to use for the 'black sun'?
It cold be hidden knowledge. IDK but just entertaining the idea.
Use a piece of charcoal for the black sun... LOL
You are absolutely correct. The Intel people push this idiocy because it gives the cover.
Mariners would find this book interesting, at a minimum. I found it fascinating. The verse above, The Heavens declare...." was in mind always, while reading it. It was written for stranded sailors and downed airmen in WWII.
Finding Your Way Without Map or Compass, by Harold Gatty
https://store.doverpublications.com/products/9780486406138
Thank you. I am building a library of ‘how to’ and current history books for my grandkids and extended generations. Just in case history is erased. I ordered this. Appreciate it.
How amazing is that!? Penny would you share your list with us?!
My list consists of a Websters Dictionary from the late 90s and a copy of Back To Basics: How to Learn and Enjoy Traditional American Skills from 1981. I'd love to add more to that list.
I ordered Back to Basics! Thx.
Nice! I used it to build my own limestone patio. It was built to last. :D
I don’t have a list and I cannot post pictures here. I still have some on Kindle I need to replace with a real book.
You can do the same thing.
The Lost Ways is a great place to start. Many of the Covid fraud books, and others that record what has happened in the last four years.
Prepping, Survivalist, preserving foods, etc. gardening, saving seeds, identifying plants. Like the book mentioned above - how to read nature: Weather, water flow, sky, sources of water…. Off grid, homesteading, creating like minded communities…. How to communicate if power is down. Natural medicines!
Bartering!
There are many free pdf books available too.
I think it’s important because today’s young adults and kids don’t know, and are not being taught. I want the information in their hands if ever needed. Who knows- it may be another 2-3 generations until it is needed. But it helps me feel like I can contribute, even if I am long gone. I will write messages to them in the books too.
I don’t have a set, but I’ve always thought the Foxfire books would be of value. They can be purchased easily via Amazon (I know!) as a complete set, in sub-sets, or individually. God bless!
Look into the Tuttle Twins series. (Christian conservative teaching for kids)
You're most welcome! I felt about this book as you do - important, hard-won knowledge that we must pass along.
I just bought a few for each son and grandchild! 2 sons are pilots and in military so I hope they will enjoy this book! Thank you for posting! Thank you both for your comments and delightful knowledge share! God bless you and your families! 🦋
If the Earth were flat, then it would be daytime all over the world at the same time.
Yet, when I FaceTime my son who's stationed in Central Europe (8 hours ahead of us), it's often nighttime where he is, and vice-versa.
If the Earth were flat, this couldn't be.
Think, people.
PS: the conspiracy nutbaggery on this Substack's reaching toxic levels.
Flat Earthers never let inconvenient facts get in their way!
Nuttier things have happened and yes it could be.... but maybe not?
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." - CIA Director William Casey 1981
It is not really as nuts as I originally thought. I also didn't believe a lot of things that are true like they want to depopulate us. It was literally written in stone, but the 20ft granite GA Guidestones were struck by "lightning" and cleaned up in a day or two?
FYI, when there is distance from an object, it becomes smaller... like the sun on the other side of the flat earth. IDK for sure but NASA lies about data.
If you seriously looked at the flat earth info, you would know, but you are free to believe some masons went to the moon in a tin can and now lost the technology to go back. and spoke to the president on a landline with no delay... and JFK was killed by Oswald... and 911 was al-Qaeda terrorists and not an inside job.
Thank you Mike! It is always such a breath of fresh air when real life experience is brought to bear on these "theories". The psyops that is being imposed on America seems to affect everything!
Yes! I started in aviation in the 60’s and at best, for long range navigation we had LORAN, ADF, CONSOLAN, PLOP…but the most reliable (when we were above the clouds) was celestial navigation using a periscopic sextant.
Then came OMEGA, INS, and now GPS. Where we were once ecstatic to arrive within miles of our intended destination, now anything more than a few yards off the mark is a disappointment. Oh my, how far we’ve come!
Amen, JT! I can definitely relate to that thrill - and great satisfaction - of fixing your location with a few miles of one’s Estimated Position! This was especially true at sea, after what might be a prolonged period without favorable conditions for sights. I knew there had to be people like yourself amongst the readers here; I wish we could somehow ‘pin’ your comment to the top of the string! God bless!
Do you think earth might be flat? I think it might be flat. Why is there so much shame in questioning it? It's been drilled in our head so it is difficult for us to even consider.
I have not been to space or conducted an experiment so I must believe what I am told, but we all know we are lied to so...
Questioning is science and we have never been to space to prove it ourselves.
See my comment on this thread.
Dawn, I can certainly understand how people across time could, and did, believe the earth is flat. But I don’t believe it is for many reasons, nor do I believe the Bible teaches it - although I am aware of the verses that people use to try and support such a view/belief.
While so many in our world remain ‘blissfully ignorant’ of the evils that are so powerfully in play in our world today, it’s safe to say that virtually all C&C readers are somewhat ‘shell-shocked’ by the revelations of corruption, fraud, organized and coordinated deception, evil, and ‘wickedness in high places’ that have been brought into the open over the past four years, in particular.
We live and move in a world that is amazing, and full of blessings, in so many ways - yet it is also a world in which discerning ‘Truth’ is exceedingly difficult. And the vast number of people in our midst don’t care, are too intellectually ‘lazy’, are too burdened by pressing concerns, or are too preoccupied with other matters, to even try to grapple with the maze of information and truth-claims that pervade our lives today. It’s a perfect environment for deception, and I would say that is the dominant characteristic of our day and time.
So, I understand ‘questioning everything’ - and I agree with it, to a certain extent. And that’s the ‘rub’, isn’t it; ‘To what extent do I question everything, and how can I know what is trustworthy?’
No doubt, there are countless views/beliefs regarding that held by readers of C&C but, one of the most comforting things I have found, is that so many of us recognize, as Jeff C. does, that the Word of God is ‘…a lamp to my feet and a light to my path.’ (Psalms 119:105)
In a prior comment above, I made the statement that I sincerely regard the Bible (Old & New Testaments) as the MOST valuable ‘thing’ in this world. It is precisely for this reason that I hold that view; because it is, in regard to anything it touches upon (which happens to be everything that truly matters), the ‘Touchstone’ by which Truth vs ‘less than Truth’ (or worse) can be judged. That said, such a blessing can only be realized fully by those who are guided and instructed in it by the Holy Spirit - and that only happens (other than incidentally, should God choose), in the lives of those who have been ‘Born Again’ by the Spirit; those who have accepted and embraced the salvation and redemption God the Father made possible through God the Son (Jesus Christ), worked out within the life of the believer by God the Holy Spirit.
Apart from that being real in the individuals life, I suspect the Bible might prove to be of more harm than good. But, even when it is real in a believer’s life, there is an unavoidable process of spiritual growth and maturity that must accompany it:
“…that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give to you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of Him, the eyes of your understanding being enlightened; that you may know what is the hope of His calling, what are the riches of the glory of His inheritance in the saints, and what is the exceeding greatness of His power toward us who believe, according to the working of His mighty power which He worked in Christ when He raised Him from the dead and seated Him at His right hand in the heavenly places, far above all principality and power and might and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this age but also in that which is to come.” Ephesians 1:17-21
Toward that end we, as individual believers, have a role to play; we can take this seriously and apply ourselves diligently to growing in our knowledge of, love for, and trust in the God of the Bible. If that’s what we choose to commit ourselves to, we must:
“Be diligent to present yourself approved to God, a worker who does not need to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. But shun profane and idle babblings, for they will increase to more ungodliness.”
2 Timothy 2:15-16
And, recognizing our dependence on the guidance and instruction of the Holy Spirit, and praying for discernment and protection against error or deception, we can then:
“Rejoice always, pray without ceasing, in everything give thanks; for this is the will of God in Christ Jesus for you.
Do not quench the Spirit. Do not despise prophecies. Test all things; hold fast what is good. Abstain from every form of evil.”
1 Thessalonians 5:16-22
While the Word of God is a veritable treasure chest of invaluable Truth and instruction, all of that gives us more than enough constructive guidance on how we should order our affairs in this day and age.
This is way longer than I dreamed it would be at the beginning, but I’ll conclude with this final portion of Scripture:
(Be Steadfast)
“Therefore, beloved, looking forward to these things, be diligent to be found by Him in peace, without spot and blameless; and consider that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation—as also our beloved brother Paul, according to the wisdom given to him, has written to you, as also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand, which untaught and unstable people twist to their own destruction, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures.
You therefore, beloved, since you know this beforehand, beware lest you also fall from your own steadfastness, being led away with the error of the wicked; but grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.
To Him be the glory both now and forever. Amen.”
2 Peter 3:14-18
Very true and thoughtful thank you. Our focus does not need to be the shape of the earth but on things that are good. I wouldn't even consider it if I didn't have a Godly perspective on the earth. He made the sun, moon and stars for us.
As far as the Bible being more harmful than good, it really depends on one's heart. God knows our hearts and I don't doubt God, only man.
IDK if the earth is a globe or flat since I have never been to space, and I doubt any astronauts have either. I have seen enough NASA lies and contrary evidence to consider it might be a big lie... kinda like big covid lie.
I understand Dawn, and I definitely agree that ‘the heart’ is the key issue:
“…For the LORD does not see as man sees; for man looks at the outward appearance, but the LORD looks at the heart.”
1 Samuel 16:7b
In fact, that is the crux of the Gospel; we are born in ‘sin’ - a heart that will naturally seek its own will above God’s; that will ultimately rebel against God - and that will ultimately lead us to destruction and eternal separation from God, unless we receive ‘new hearts’ through being ‘born again’ by the Spirit of God. And, according to the New Testament, that comes by faith in the sacrifice of Jesus Christ, trusting Him as our Redeeming Savior.
Along with that new heart, we receive the Holy Spirit, to guide and instruct us in all things - including the discernment to recognize deceptions that we would have no hope of seeing otherwise. That particular gift is of great importance today, and it will only become more important as we move forward. God bless!
Beautifully said. God will reveal the mysteries and questions. For now, I can speculate. LOL
John 16:12-13 AMP
12 “I have many more things to say to you, but you cannot bear [to hear] them now. 13 But when He, the Spirit of Truth, comes, He will guide you into all the truth [full and complete truth]. For He will not speak on His own initiative, but He will speak whatever He hears [from the Father—the message regarding the Son], and He will disclose to you what is to come [in the future].
Dr. Jason Lisle is a Christian astrophysicist with a very helpful website. Here is his collection of information refuting flat earth: https://biblicalscienceinstitute.com/tag/flat-earth/?order=asc
Thanks a lot but it didn't confirm. Check out my Bible verses and let me know what you think.
I 100% believe the Bible, and no man. I hope it is a globe but....
The Bible implies flat earth, but James said it implies globe. He notes there are pics from space, but those can be fake CGI. 4 min https://www.bitchute.com/video/3fcFd4IzuxBO/
From the site 1st paragraph...
""What do a round Earth, natural selection, and dinosaurs have in common? They are all things that are demonstrably true and biblical that some professing Christians deny. All of these things are mentioned or implied in Scripture.""
I can agree with natural selection, but the rest is not proved. The dinosaurs could be faked just like the Neanderthal and Cro-Magnon man. The earth is not billions of years old either like they say as fact. The Bible speaks of a dragon-like leviathan in Job 41, but not about all the dinos they show us and none of them breath fire like the leviathan. Why don't they show us all the giant bones discovered? Giants were real.
The scripture Jason noted for globe is Job 26:7,10 .... What part of this implies globe earth?
""He spreads out the northern skies over empty space; he suspends the earth over nothing.
8 He wraps up the waters in his clouds, yet the clouds do not burst under their weight.
9 He covers the face of the full moon, spreading his clouds over it.
10 He marks out the horizon on the face of the waters for a boundary between light and darkness.""
A couple verses I found implies flat earth IMHO.
Isaiah 40:22
It is He who sits above the circle of the earth, ((not a sphere))
And its inhabitants are like grasshoppers;
[It is He] who stretches out the heavens like a veil
And spreads them out like a tent to dwell in. ((tent is like a dome))
Proverbs 8:27
“When He established the heavens, I [Wisdom] was there;
When He drew a circle upon the face of the deep ((a circle is flat))
Psalm 104:5
He established the earth on its foundations, ((foundations are flat when building))
So that it will not be moved forever and ever. ((so how fast do they say we rotate/orbit?))
Revelation 1:7
7 Behold, He is coming with the clouds, and every eye will see Him, even those who pierced Him; and all the tribes (nations) of the earth will mourn over Him [realizing their sin and guilt, and anticipating the coming wrath]. [a]So it is to be. Amen. ((I guess on a globe some might see Him 12 hours late))
Job 38:8, 14 ... God speaking to Job
8 “Or who enclosed the sea with doors (((with a wall, not around a globe))
When it burst forth and went out of the womb;
14 “The earth is changed like clay into which a seal is pressed; ((you press a seal flat))
Ezekiel 1:26 1599 Geneva Bible
Now above the ·dome [vault; expanse; or platform] there was something that looked like a throne. It looked like ·a sapphire gem [or lapis lazuli]. And on the throne high above was a ·shape [form; figure] like a ·human [man].
Amos 9:6
It is He who builds His upper chambers in the heavens
And has established His vaulted dome (the firmament of heaven) over the earth,
He who calls to the waters of the sea
And pours them out on the face of the earth—
The Lord is His name.
Dawn, you would enjoy this series:
https://chemtrails.substack.com/p/the-dinosaur-hoax-the-royal-society
Thanks I will read it. I already liked the first paragraph. LOL
In the NASB translation I use (1995), Job 26:10 says "He has inscribed a circle on the surface of the waters At the boundary of light and darkness." This is worded a little differently that how it is translated in your comment. I really like the NASB translation because it is a word for word translation, rather than thought for thought. If you use the "Literal Word" app, you can see the exact translation of each word from the Hebrew or Greek. This verse, Isaiah 40:22, and Proverbs 8:27 all mention a circle. The prevailing thinking when these were written was that the earth was flat. But keep in mind that when viewed from above (as suggested in Isaiah 40:22), a sphere appears as a circle.
For Psalm 104:5, the NASB (again, a word for word translation) renders it "He established the earth upon its foundations, So that it will not totter forever and ever." The Hebrew word translated as "totter" means (1) to totter, shake, slip; (2) to be shaken, be moved, be overthrown; (3) to dislodge, let fall, drop; (4) to be greatly shaken. To me, this doesn't preclude the earth's rotation or orbit around the sun. This implies to me that the earth shall not be removed from it's orbit...
Job 38:14 (NASB 1995) "It is changed like clay under the seal; And they stand forth like a garment." The Hebrew word translated "changed" means to turn, turn about, turn over, turn around. Seals at that time were cylindrical in shape (sometimes as a ring, which we read elsewhere in the Bible). See the photos at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cylinder_seal. My John MacArthur commentary says this:
"Documents written on clay tablets were signed using personal engraved seals upon which was written the bearer's name. The Hebrew for "changed" is "turned." It conveys the idea that the earth is turned or rotated like a cylindrical seal rolled over the soft clay. Such rolling cylinder seals were found in Babylon. This speaks of the earth, rotating on its axis, an amazing statement that only God could reveal in ancient days. The dawn rolls across the earth as it rotates."
That is also my observation, that the dawn rolls across the earth as it rotates." If we were a flat earth, we would all have day and night at the same time. We wouldn't have sunrise and sunset occurring in sequence as you move across the surface of the earth. I see in this article (https://biblicalscienceinstitute.com/apologetics/is-the-earth-really-round/) that proponents of flat earth do have an explanation for this phenomenon, but Dr. Lisle goes on to explain mathematically that sunrise and sunset are not actually possible with the the modern flat earth model (north pole at center, Antarctica around edge of circle).
As for Ezekiel 1:26 and Amos 9:6 which mention "the dome," my thought is just that it aligns with the prevailing assumption of a flat earth at that time.
I though I sent this but I don't see it in the comments. I copied it before I replied so here it is again...
Thank you for your thoughful in depth response. God wants us to study and there is always room to learn. The only reason I have not let this particular conspiracy go is because it makes us just another planet, and another BIG way to keep people from God. We are much more to God than that and were created a little lower than the angels. Jesus became like us to save us, not angels, only us.
I use several translations to get an in depth understanding when deep diving into scripture. Using one may not be sufficient and the literal word app is based on the NASB only but seems like a great version.
Yes the current view was flat earth, but wasn't it written divinely? Totter is definitely open to interpretation but it could mean moved or dislodged from its place. If the earth moved or tottered, we would feel it, and I don't feel us rotating or sideways on an axis. Gravity is also an issue of scientism. Weight causes things to fall. A helium balloon floats as it is lighter than air and gravity does not hold it down. They make simple things complicated so we don't really understand but accept it since we don't.
They say, "the Earth spinning on its axis, the planet is also speeding at about 66,600 miles per hour"
These numbers are repeated when examined. https://www.bitchute.com/video/8Yqtb23MLqVx/
You believe it? Did God do that? Seriously watch the 2 min video and let me know what you think.
I didn't question globe earth in a day. I kept seeing it and compelled to finally look. They push it as hard as a covid jab, and if everyone questioned it, they would lose their grip on us in everything.
Job 38:14 "It is changed like clay under the seal; And they stand forth like a garment."
God compares the earth to clay seal that was pressed, not before it was pressed. Seals make bumps and ridges and they stand out like beautiful (garment) mountains do. Seals were also commonly circular which the flat earth is possibly round and not spherical. Changed means to me how God molded the earth like clay or wax in creating it, and it is no longer what it was, not continually changing or rotating. Wouldn't God say that plainly if it were?
((That is also my observation, that the dawn rolls across the earth as it rotates." If we were a flat earth, we would all have day and night at the same time.)) I picture the dawn as you roll dough. The roller rolls across the dough. In the flat earth model, the sun and moon are spherical and the roll over the the plane earth. Doesn't light fade with distance? When the sun "rolls" around the circle, the distance causes it's light to fade like things get smaller with distance. The sun and moon do change their patterns for seasons.
14 sec video ex.... https://www.bitchute.com/video/a1AUhc0lLalc/
Ezekiel 1:26 and Amos verses about the dome... How does it align with a flat earth belief at that time? Where would they get the idea or write it if it was not divine by God? It does not matter what they believe at the time, like when Revelation was written. John didn't know but described it in words.
I don't feel like it makes us just another planet at all! God has specially fined-tuned our planet to allow life. We are just the right distance from the sun, for one example. Any farther away and we'd freeze, any closer, and we'd burn up. A great resource for learning about the MANY ways God has fine-tuned earth for life (and the probably against all those things coming together by chance) is Stephen Meyer (stephenmeyer.org). He did a great teaching series for Focus on the Family's "The Truth Project/TrueU" called "Does God Exist?" with the subtitle "building the scientific case." Some of it is pretty technical, aimed at college-age and above, but it is excellent at helping you understand just how UNLIKELY life on our planet is, yet here we are. It is very special indeed. When I watched the series, years ago, it was available on Amazon Prime Video. It is out there on DVD as well. I was able to pick up a used copy of it on DVD. Maybe your library would have it?
The Literal Word app used to just be NASB, but now you can choose from NASB, ESV, LSB, and KJV from the settings menu. It does not include NIV or NLT, as those are thought-for-thought translations, not word-for-word. I agree that comparing different translations can be very helpful in understanding, but I would warn against Eugene Peterson's "The Message." It is not a translation. It is a paraphrase, and a bad one at that. There's another paraphrase out there I'd warn against, but I can't remember the name of it or the author...
Gravity. Gravity is a force that pulls us downward, toward the center of the approximately spherical earth. The reason that helium balloon floats is that the upward buoyant force (which is in the opposite direction as the gravitational force, and is caused by the helium being lighter than air just as you mentioned) is so much greater than the gravitational force pulling it down (i.e., its weight, because its mass is so light).
So the earth is speeding around in its orbit at a speed of 29.78 kilometers per second, or 66,620 mph. You don't feel this, because you are speeding around at the same speed. You would only notice the movement if it slowed down or sped up, much like how your stomach feels in an elevator. Your stomach tries to stay in the same position it was, until it is dragged along by the rest of your body. You feel the change, but once all of you is moving at the same speed of the elevator, you don't notice it again until it slows down again. To understand what is going on, it helps to understand a physics principle called "frames of reference." Here is a great short educational video from Khan Academy explaining frames of reference: https://youtu.be/3yaZ7lkQPUQ. You also don't notice the earth spinning for the same reason; you are going right along with it at the same speed.
Job 38:14, perhaps the comparison of the earth to clay describes how God shaped all the mountains, hills, valleys, oceans initially, and reshaped it during the Great Flood of Noah's day, and will again after the millennial kingdom when He creates the new heaven and new earth?
In that video of the modern flat earth model, it appears to me it would always be dark in Antarctica, which isn't the case.... The tilt of the earth is what causes our seasons. We have winter when we are in the part of earth's orbit where we are tilted away from the sun, and we have summer when we are in the part of the orbit where we are tilted toward the sun.
Keep in mind that Galileo, Johannes Kepler, Copernicus, and Isaac Newton were all men of God who studied the heavens to glorify God.
"Gravity explains the motions of the planets, but it cannot explain who sets the planets in motion." --Isaac Newton
"Atheism is so senseless. When I look at the solar system, I see the earth at the right distance from the sun to receive the proper amounts of heat and light. This did not happen by chance." --Isaac Newton
"In the absence of any other proof, the thumb alone would convince me of God's existence." --Isaac Newton
"This most beautiful system of the sun, planets and comets, could only proceed from the counsel and dominion of an intelligent and powerful Being." --Isaac Newton
"The laws of nature are written by the hand of God in the language of mathematics." --Galileo Galilei
"I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with senses, reason, and intellect has intended us to forego their use." --Galileo Galilei
"Science is the process of thinking God's thoughts after Him." --Johannes Kepler
"The wisdom of the Lord is infinite as are also His glory and His power. Ye heavens, sing His praises; sun, moon, and planets, glorify Him in your ineffable language! Praise Him, celestial harmonies, and all ye who can comprehend them! And thou, my soul, praise thy Creator! It is by Him and in Him that all exist." --Johannes Kepler
"I had the intention of becoming a theologian...but now I see how God is, by my endeavors, also glorified in astronomy, for 'the heavens declare the glory of God.' " --Johannes Kepler
"To know the mighty works of God, to comprehend His wisdom and majesty and power; to appreciate, in degree, the wonderful workings of His laws, surely all this must be a pleasing and acceptable mode of worship to the Most High, to whom ignorance cannot be more grateful than knowledge." --Nicolaus Copernicus
I completely understand questioning everything. Especially after the last 4 years of seeing the lies so blatantly. I now believe they have been lying to us for much longer than that, i.e., 9/11, the Kennedy assassination, etc. I honestly wouldn't be surprised if they did fake the moon landing. However, I 100% believe the earth is round. Just because many things have been lies doesn't mean everything is. ♥️
Thanks for the discussion. Maybe I will convince you. BTW I am getting a NASB Bible and the app too! I can't stand The Message. My mother thought it was a good idea and got me a beautiful one I opened once.
The reason I am leaning toward flat earth is because they have their symbolism all over it and knowing sun worship is a pagan belief, they make it the center of our system. That is the reason I started doubting. I encourage you to question it and watch the links then please let me know what you think. Most people wouldn't even look, but if it is not of God, wouldn't you want to know?
I didn't think it possible myself, I just accepted what I was taught.... until I investigated. If you were taught flat earth from birth, you wouldn't believe it was round. I think it might be flat just based on NASA lies and the Bible. I could argue for both because I have studied a little flat earth, but someone who has not, cannot argue since they have not learned it.
Before I dive into your thoughtful response, here is the Biblical creation of sun and moon...
Gen 1 - vs. 1 God created the heavens and the earth at the same time. He said "light" and it was so, separating the from darkness...night and day... vs. 6,7 There was water everywhere until He created a "vault" (dome?) to separate the water from water. He separated the water under the vault from the water above it. (He is saying there is water under and above the vault. Therefore, if we went outside/above our vault, we would be in water. In the flat earth there is water above our "dome") He called the vault "sky." Def. Vault - Architectural term for an arched form used to provide a space with a ceiling or roof... It seems like a dome to me.
When you see this rocket hit the vault, it looks like it hits water. https://www.bitchute.com/video/SgGfTrj6QLHe/
vs. 15 "and let them be lights in the vaultnof the sky to give light on the earth.” (They are close IN THE VAULT, and not 93 million miles away.)
16 "God made two great lights—the greater light to govern the day and the lesser light to govern the night. He also made the stars. 17 God set them in the vault of the sky to give light on the earth, " (The moon has it's own light not a reflection as told.)
Response: We don't feel that we are just another planet, but to others, they trust the science and not God who created it. We are perfectly the right distance from the sun for life to exist as God intended which is why it makes more sense that our sun is in our vault and not 93 mil mi away in space.
Helium is lighter than air and rises and nothing to do with gravity. It's made up scientism. If gravity were real we would not be flying in planes. Force, not gravity keeps us on the ground and allows planes to fly.
Job 38:14 is figuratively how God shaped the earth and mountains, but my point was how the earth is likely flat. God pressed the earth and it would not be a good metaphor if the earth was a ball.
Khan Academy is indoctinating and used to teach in public schools. It has its uses.
So when flying, do the pilots subtract the speed of the earth or add to it when flying to a destination? If the earth is moving and they are traveling the same direction then wouldn't they get there faster? Or the opposite direction and get there never?
I clocked a plane's speed when I was inside at over 300 MPH. I did not feel it so I see your point about not feeling the earth, but 300 MPH and 66,660 MPH is waaay different. A lot of 6's too...
Those philosphers theorized and were not men of God. They were deceivers and directed our eyes away from God and pointed people to scientism theories instead. Newton invented gravity in 1666 and he believed in a god, just not ours. Galileo was a sun worshipper and supported heliocentrism which is paganism. The sun is not the center of our galaxy. We are the center as God made it and the sun is in our vault and local. That is flat earth belief. Have you noticed our holidays have pagan roots? Have you thought about why the medical logo is a staff and 2 snakes? Even oreo cookies have pagan symbols on them. No joke. I think it is the leviathan or knights templar symbol.
John 5:19 says, "the whole world lies in the power of the evil one."
3 min about pagan heliocentrism - https://www.bitchute.com/video/27jnswOpLC1g/
99% of the earth was in daylight? How on a globe? 4 min- https://www.bitchute.com/video/FFhXFRHjIPH1/
Seasons on flat earth explained 7 min- https://www.bitchute.com/video/Uf8igCwqLLNO/
HELIOCENTRISM IS KABBALISTIC SCIENTISM PAGAN SUN WORSHIP - I haven't watched it but I liked the first 5 min and going to finish it... 1:40 min
https://www.bitchute.com/video/5opEIGKduu5H/
DID WE GO TO THE MOON OR DID OUR GOV LIE TO US - 6 min
https://www.bitchute.com/video/elI8Ddj8POc/
NASA'S RELATIONSHIP WITH FREE MASONRY IS IN THE NUMBERS 🐍 - 2 min.
https://www.bitchute.com/video/8Yqtb23MLqVx/
We have not left our vault. They sure get a lot of money for going nowhere. Astronaut Don Petite said we can't go back to the moon because they lost the technology. In 1969, Pres Nixon talked to the men on the moon with no time delay (which is faster than the speed of light) through the van allen belt and 250,000 miles... and traveled in a thing that looked less stable than a tin can. No way.
Hi Dawn, I hope you are doing well. This is a long video (4 hrs, 12 min), but it addresses many of the questions you had about the shape of the earth. You can also find it on Justin Peters podcast, Didache’, episode 119. Justin Peters is a trustworthy man of God who is Biblically sound. God bless. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZdI3mtHIyoA
Oh my goodness.... I just had this long reply typed out to you, and then accidentally closed it while shuffling other pages to include links!!! I am so mad at myself!!! It will take me some time to recreate it, and it's already midnight.... But I will!
Ok i look forward to the reply...
That happened to me but I happened to copy it while on the computer and saved the reply. Weird
I wasn't as smart as you! And I should have taken your warning and done the same!
Thank you!!! Flat earthers need to read this. My dad a pilot has always said the same as you.
It amuses me that the Flat Earther maps always show a circular map with the 'ice wall' running the entire circumference. Regarding this, sail vessels were going everywhere for the last 500 to 600 years at least and guess what? No reports of ever running into The Ice Wall.
Also, and something I'd like to know. This being it is my understanding is that the effective seeing distance to the horizon line is around fifty to sixty miles after which an object (vessel) begins to disappear over the horizon line. Is this distance correct figure? And with the superstructure being higher off the water line, the distance might well be extended some (a reason why lighthouses are built tall so as to extend the reach of the beacon.
I imagine Flat Earthers also don't believe in the space station and think that the photographic imagery of the globe earth is all a conjuring performed by Satanic Beings.
Well, don't crash through the ice wall. One breach might empty all the water out. And be careful to not hit your head on The Dome, otherwise you might hear some mighty peculiar things coming out of your mouth..
It’s definitely not the hill I’m going to die on, but there so no shame in asking questions about our Earth. How dark is the other side of the globe when we have both sun and moon over North America? How was the North Star reliable for navigation if we are spinning 1000 miles an hour and flying through space at 66,000 mph? Do pilots keep nosing down in flight to maintain correct altitude over the curve? Inquiring minds and all….
I appreciate that you think that these are serious questions, but they are not so much so ... at least, not so in any revolutionary sense. I won't waste my time here except to say:
1) Yes, the flight of an airplane does have to conform to the earth curvature. Due to scale, the adjustment is not noticeable. And so yes, the plane does have to maintain altitude over distance relative to curvature.
2) As pointed out yesterday by a ship's captain, vessels used spherical trigonometry for navigational purposes, and not plane geometry. And I figure a ship's captain with all his responsibilities must know his trade, or else not be a captain for long.
DeWife suggests you read Falling Flat by Danny M. Faulkner. And I trust the DeWife on this as she is no intellectual lightweight.
I appreciate you addressing my thoughts and questions. Usually people just name call and dismiss such wondering, just as I was name called and dismissed for my plandemic wondering.
Hi Nancy ... and I truly appreciate your reply. And yes, name calling and such is usually not too helpful. And yet discernment is incumbent upon us just as being a necessary tool of our survival and general well-being. That is, we should not desire to follow the fool to perdition, nor permit ourselves to be deceived by the errant learned, nor by the wicked seeking only their own gain, their own selfish self-aggrandisement. And by the way, the lines of demarcation are not always so crystal clear as we would like.
DeWife recently went through a long thing on Flat Earth with a longstanding acquiescence of hers. I initially though it a futile exercise, a sort of down the rabbit's hole and around the Looking Glass mission with hooka smoking caterpillars along the way. Actually, DeWife learned a great deal along the way. And I vicariously learned a thing or two as well. And so, I am glad not have tried to squash the thing.
Here's another plane thing. Say you are a passenger on a plane which is going 500 miles an hour at 35,000 feet at cruising speed. You get up from your seat. You walk forward towards the cockpit and then walk back towards the tail and your seat. Walking forward and your body is moving faster than the plane is relative to the ground. On the way back to your seat and walking towards the tail of the plane your body is actually moving slower then the plane relative to the ground. Do you ever notice this? Impossible because of scale. Your speed up and down the aisle relative to the airplane's speed is so infinitesimal a difference as to be undeclinable. And yet it is there, and it could be mathematically expressed by a simple math equation. But why would one wish to bother.
As to planes and cars, we can feel acceleration and deceleration. And we can also feel changes in angular momentum. But at cruising speed, you might as well be at home sitting in an easy chair and watching images flash by on the TV set. Whether on a plane or car it is the same. And the earth movement is very much the same. Simply stated the earth is like a really huge big moving plane or car. There is one huge difference. Since the earth's movements are constant, there is never any acceleration or deacceleration, nor is there any change in angular momentum.
I could say more, particular about methods good and bad of argumentation which are tells either to the good or bad. But instead, I will proffer and one opinion and one observation. My opinion is, and by means and construction, this Flat Earth stuff has the appearance of being a psy-opt deliberately designed to keep people at each other's throats as yet one more detraction from what is really going on. My observation is (in part) that the psy-opt has the effect of making Christians and Christianity look stupid, a subtle way of tearing down God. And also, there is your observation as to inducing name calling and dismissal. Also, there are similarities as to the Plandemic facilitation.
Again, nice to hear back from you. And with our best to you, both DeWife and Moi-Meme.
I would not call myself a flat earther, but do entertain the idea. I don't really care but I don't believe NASA.
There are reports and pics of the ice wall, and why are we not allowed to go to Antarctica? Suspect...
Distance makes an object become smaller but with a strong telescopic lens you can zoom into something that can't be seen. It looks like the sun is going down but it is further away... zoom in on setting sun... 30 seconds - https://www.bitchute.com/video/mJkizmk69MnN/
No to aliens... they are demons
No space station... We went to the moon in a tin can and now lost the tech to go back, talked to the pres on a landline with no delay from the moon??? Do you believe that and those fake pics/video from the moon? The shadows don't line up, the tracks are not there or dust disturbed from landing.
https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fi.dailymail.co.uk%2Fi%2Fpix%2F2017%2F04%2F27%2F11%2F3FA6456400000578-4451120-image-a-45_1493288793295.jpg&f=1&nofb=1&ipt=d53a2268265b30592ed473f34a7c0e257aee3dda5782b4a25c2a636faafeb7b1&ipo=images
Because there are massive inconsistencies, anomalies in one thing does not mean that the another thing of a related type is not true. Whatever the case or cases may be.
And because most things in this world from 'on high' are mostly lies does not mean everything is a lie. And in point of fact, habitual liars like to blend lies and truth together precisely because it furthers their lie or lies.
And in cases where 'things don't add up', one does not always have to 'take a side' or come to determination until the final results are in beyond a reasonable question of doubt. For example, I don't know if space aliens exist or not. I can only tell you that to the best of my knowledge, I never saw one. And I don't know personally a single person who has ever claimed to have seen a space alien. However, and no matter how doubtful, just because I never saw a space alien in and of itself does not mean they don't exist. What I am implying here really has nothing to do with space aliens per se. It is more a caution to care in how one thinks, and in how one comes to conclusions. And by the way, jumping the shark with too much hasty enthusiasm is most definitely not a recommended methodology.
Nope. I am just speculating and keeping an open mind. I have, however, seen a lot of the flat earth truths that are very convincing and how NASA makes thing satanic.
I don't know for sure and won't unless I go to space myself. I don't believe NASA.
The moon landing seems pretty fake.
5 min video https://www.bitchute.com/video/At5UobY5wpKf/
Fascinating. Thank you for sharing. Would love to hear more. In case you write a stack etc
Thank you!
REAL SCIENCE
'Supposed' Freemason draws true depiction of Earth
https://www.bitchute.com/video/CrjwTWKOyIV3/
Wow! Thank you for posting this. My life changed the day someone asked me ‘ what if everything you were ever told was a lie?’ Question everything
Are you being facetious? I am getting a beating here about flat earth.
I don't know but maybe... I am just curious. Science is based on theorizing and asking questions.
It is a wild conspiracy theory that I didn't want to entertain but... since they hide technology, history, lie about science, cause events like Maui fires, 911 etc, create division, allow invaders into the US, our health secretary dresses as a woman, our ex-1st lady "seems" to be a man, tricked us with vaxxes and on and on and on... Why is it such a stretch?
I am not being facetious. I saw that you were getting beat up and I wanted to support you. I have looked at evidence of flat earth and a lot of it makes sense. If you try to talk to anyone about it- well, you see what happens. I have no idea if the earth is flat or not, but no one else does either. Idk what happened with Neil Armstrong and his crew, but I’ve never seen a more miserable press conference. I admire that you tried to show evidence. Stand up for what you think is right even when you have to stand alone.
Air hug for you! LOL Thanks for the support. I can't be sure either but I put my training aside and considered it with an open mind. I take it with a grain of salt....
It didn't make sense to me until I saw the model and all the evil symbolism, numbers, NASA inconsistencies, and coincidences surrounding the globe model. It made me think it could be a lie so I decided to learn about flat earth.
People who have never looked at the compelling flat earth info can't understand or dispute it since they only know what they have been taught. Even the technology can be altered. They don't want to look and our programming matrix is very strong, plus there is so much deception.
People are willing to believe in aliens before flat earth. The whole thing/world is demonic and controlled by dark spiritual forces.
Stay grounded in God.
Ephesians 6:12 For our struggle is not against flesh and blood [contending only with physical opponents], but against the rulers, against the powers, against the world forces of this [present] darkness, against the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly (supernatural) places.
It's worth pointing out that "firmament" is not a great translation of the hebrew word here ("raqiya"), and is more a case of applying pre-existing assumptions into translation. And this isn't some kind of "liberal christianity" thing, either -- even young-earth creationist organisations don't think that it means "solid sky", for example here: https://creation.com/is-the-raqiya-firmament-a-solid-dome (that's the first hit that pops up when you search their site for "firmament").
So by all means question things and investigate it for yourself, just don't assume that translations of the bible always got it 100% right - question them too!
Amen. We had the most beautiful sunset last night. God paints a breathtaking picture.
In the sky today!
Amen! Love this Ray Comfort 10 min video about eclipses and how he incorporates it into his street evangelism - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQ3PzcBDEFs
I’m glad that the FDA had to take down their ivermectin posts, but until they actually have to publicly announce ‘we were wrong’, it won’t make any difference. The media isn’t covering it, so who but those of us reading alternative media will even know it happened? And we’ve already known they were lying about IVM for YEARS now.
Also, Elon Musk is doing the Lord’s work when it comes to free speech. There are things not to like about the guy, but he is surely putting his money where his mouth is. He’s being sued by COUNTRIES - Brazil, and Australia, that I know of - and not only is he not backing down, he’s on offense. I think he’s a pivotal figure, like Trump, in the sea change that is happening. Remember that we don’t have to like everything about a person to respect what they’re doing. We are all flawed human beings. Musk at least gives me some hope.
Agreed. There is more to like than dislike.
And it doesn't hurt that my liberal friends absolutely hate him.
I have a pretty simple formula for knowing the truth / setting my moral compass / confirming my beliefs: anything the lunatic & demonic left are for, I am against. Anything they are against, I am for. Abortion, trannies, “climate change”, gun control, Ukraine, Gaza, on & on.
Perfect logic
I honestly cannot think of one single thing they are for (or against) that I am also for (or against). Easy-peesy
Seems like a good shortcut.
And if ever there's something you both agree or disagree on, think about it. lol
They used to love him!
I know! Hilarious and sad that they can't see the manipulation or hypocrisy.
They never do
We like messing with their brains, don’t we. Lol.
Eek! My 3 kids were not vaxxed with anything soon after birth because I birthed them all at home, with wonderful midwives. They also didn’t get that awful stuff put in their eyes, so they were able to see, too look around, to see me and their dad, in total peace and calm. That was lovely.
Back in 1978 I refused silver nitrate. Eye-stingingly given to newborns to protect them from gonorrhea. A child born to parents who were virgin until wed has no chance of an STD.
Kudos! It's hard to resist that stuff with medical personnel all pushing it on you in a vulnerable moment!
Yes. I fell prey to nearly all of it
Yes! That’s why momma’s need trustworthy advocates at the birth!
Sure. But a healthy woman should consider home birth with a good midwife. No one pushes anything on you. You do all the pushing!
That’s why it’s illegal in some states. Govt has no control
Yes, it is ridiculous that this is given to everyone when it says on the package that it's for kids at risk for gonorrhea, ie the mother has it.
I never knew why they did that!
Yes, and even if the parents were not virgins before marrying, and/or had a few partners, their chances of having an STD were probably low (unless they were very promiscuous or making really bad choices).
We slowly, unconsciously, became the most medicalized country on earth — while we also became the sickest. Causation AND Correlation.
And I bet they don’t have autism or brain damage or autoimmune issues or allergies or adhd or depression or anxiety or or or or the list goes on 🙄
I wish there was a way to study this vax health and no vax health issue to see if no vaxxed people are healthier 🙄
Oops. That would invalidate all their vaxxes. 🤫 We better not pull THAT data. 🤦🏼♀️
Pediatrician Dr. Paul Thomas of Oregon did a study of the vaxxed/unvaxxed kids in his clinic. The Oregon medical board stripped him of his license for publishing his study.
Mrs. "the Knife"
And his methodology was unquestionable; studied only children who received 100% of their care in his practice.
Yes! I am aware of this. I heard him speak on a video a few times. See what happens when you tell the truth 😒
Dr Thomas is a hero! Bless Dr Thomas!
There are little signs stuck all around my town advertising an “Autism Event” later this month at our fairgrounds. The signs show fun characters and balloons and make it seem like a normal, happy, fun time of learning about autism. Never saw this before. And I’m starting to feel like ADHD (also rare before the child vax schedule grew so massive) is also related to vaccines. And what else!! We are right to question this.
It is normal now. Because so many kids got vaxxines and now have it! They have normalized something that devastates people and families. Just like cancer and yes, just like ADD and ADHD.
They are wicked people who inflict harm and then normalize the harm. Desensitize society to what evils they are perpetrating on innocent people. All of this has been crimes against humanity. All of it.
A lot of “A” maladies … allergies, autism, ADHD, ADD …
I wouldn’t connect allergies to vax. Honestly. My daughter has not had jabs and has bad allergies.
Allergies can be environmental and genetically predisposed as well. But they can also be vax induced. Especially food allergies. Read up on it in The Peanut Allergy Epidemic by Heather Frasier. Allergies are an immune system regulation issue. Anything you do to tinker with the immune system is going to potentially induce allergies of any kind.
Totally makes sense. Sorry my mind immediately goes to hay fever stuff.
All vax injuries can come from other causes but it is about PREVALENCE
What Heather LibertyCricket said. 👍🏻
I was going to say that. Also to add, just because someone has allergies doesn't mean it IS from vaxxines. Your daughter would be proof of that. However, what used to be rare and occasionally is now everyday normal and tons of people. All these health issues used to be 1 in a million per se. It’s no longer “rare”.
It’s too bad we don’t have a health agency that could pull the legit data from back before childhood vaxxines were pushed by big Harma, and after they were pushed on us. 🤔 We’d probably know more definitively what caused what. 🤦🏼♀️ It’s almost like they don’t want us to know.
Trilby, many blessings upon you! We need more like you!
Aw... thank you!
I will shout it again and again from the rooftops. My foster (now adopted) child was Dtap vax injured. Life in a wheelchair. Can’t talk or eat. Beautiful mind, great sense of humor, mostly joyfully. I try to tell all parents not to vax. I used to be scared to get into those debates. Not anymore. Years of research- bring it on!
My little ones did not have that sort of start. In fact they were all five born via cesarean section. It was a medical requirement of mine and it brought us into the glaring light of operating rooms and yet still it was lovely!
Yes! That experience, unmedicalized!
Who is the one who overcomes the world, but he who believes that Jesus is the Son of God?
— 1 John 5:5 LSB
Also, never look directly at the sun. But looking directly at the Son is highly recommended.
And we have victory in Him. Praise the Lord!
I🔥🔥🔥I beg everyone to look up three words! Democracy and Constitutional Republic. There is a huge difference. It is time to wake up and start using the correct terminology for our country or there will be
NO "for the people". We have been living in a country with self serving leaders and they will do what they want regardless of "for the people!"
Enough!
Exactly. We aren’t majority rule here. Our Representative system is much better and is meant to be a barrier to mob-rule.
Yes, so glad you brought that up! Even Trump has used the word Democracy in one of his speeches. I can’t even believe the number of politicians that use that word. They all need to look up the difference.
”And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifested in the flesh, Justified in the Spirit, Seen by angels, Preached among the Gentiles, Believed on in the world, Received up in glory.“
I Timothy 3:16 NKJV
https://bible.com/bible/114/1ti.3.16.NKJV
“…villainous judge, Alexandre de Moraes”……..what a perfect photo!
Kinda reminds me of the character on the minions movies.
I imagine that photo encapsulates who he is quite well.
As someone on Twitter said, "why do they always look like that??"
I assure you Trump especially has no clue regarding the difference between a Democracy and Republic.
Relevance????? Your assurance is worth what?????
I'm glad normie-king Joe Rogan is questioning 'all vaccines'.
Same for pets.
From what I've learned there's no good reason to give any 'vaccine' to a pet.
Me too--glad someone with millions of followers can spread the well-grounded doubt on the shots. If he hasn't already, Joe should have Aaron Siri on his show to give his presentation regarding what those shots are built on (the studies, er, lack of studies).
His testimony in front of the Arizona Senate committee is one of the best explanations of vaccines and the lack of studies on them.
Yes, it is! I saw it live. It was an amazing panel.
On the contrary, the veterinarian's paycheck is a very good reason. Same as the pediatrician's paycheck.
I feel the same. If I ever get another dog, it will NEVER get the rabies vax. If they are house pets and not in the woods, etc., they don't need a rabies vax. The probability of my dog getting rabies is about the same odds as Fauci returning his $Billions and running off to join the Peace Corps. I actually checked the facts and the last time a domestic animal got rabies in my area was like 60 years ago. Big Pharma.....again.
I read up on the odds raccoons are infected and read a hard to believe statistic that 40% are infected … would there even be any raccoons if 40% contracted rabies??? Then a few weeks ago I read an article about a new effort to vaccinate entire populations of woodland animals using sneaky things like doses delivered oral treats and treated water sources … I put the two together then … I am betting all I have that the study that found the40% infection rate was industry funded
Here’s a good YT channel for pets - https://youtube.com/@VeterinarySecrets?si=_CJu0m_6c8lHXOlW
And now our dogs are getting cancer.....
It would be great if he would do some of his own research first - before talking to 6M people about a subject he knows so little about.
-Viruses do not exist.
-Adjuvants do not help something work that does not exist.
-HPV is not given to infants, Hep B is.
I couldn't even listen to the rest of the clip...
"Conclusion: corporate media promotes evil and ignores good."
Absolutely. When you see the garbage articles they print about sexual topics like threesomes, etc. with absolutely no shame, you know they are pushing more and more 'worship' of the pagan sex god (demon) they have sworn to worship.
It just gets more and more sordid, creating their desired desensitization towards it all.
Satan hates Christianity.
They are Satan's willing servants.
They hate Christian morality.
Lord have mercy on this modern day Sodom and Gomorrah they have created. 🙏
Re: America’s likeness to Sodom
“America, it seems to me, has reached a point of depravity not far distant from the level of wickedness reached in the city in which Abraham’s nephew, Lot, chose to live. We’ve looked at the Sodom-likeness of our own nation a number of times in these commentaries. But never before has such a degree of Sodom-likeness materialized, in my view.”
From: https://terryjamesprophecyline.com/2024/04/07/abrahams-plea-and-todays-america/
Scary comparison but I see it. Ugh
Maybe file Ms. Ray’s conversion with John Fetterman’s “I’m not woke anymore” switcheroo for now. I’d have treated the conversion of “chief of sinners” Saul of Tarsus the same way back in the 1st century. John 4:1-3 warns, “Do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world. This is how you can recognize the Spirit of God: Every spirit that acknowledges that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God, but every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you have heard is coming and even now is already in the world.” Miraculous conversions do happen, praise God, and the apostle formerly known as Saul cleared the hurdle, but our times call for caution and sober judgment. “For false messiahs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect” (Matthew 24:24).
What I took away from this is the part about out the guy who set her up with an OnlyFans account and took much of the money. Isn’t that just a new age pimp? Setting up girls online, holding the password to the account, taking a big cut of the revenue from her John’s…..
Yes true that.
What saddens me is how normal society and culture have made these ideas of online sexual stuff (nude posing, etc) to young women, so that such an offer as she received wasn't rejected. At 20 years old, no girl I knew who was from a nice family would have considered doing such a thing in the 70s.
Rest assured no 20 year old girl raised right in this day would either. Takes a special kind of parent to raise a porn star.
Agree, but there is a fine line drawn on what is acceptable by society..like posing somewhat provocatively in a bikini on Facebook or Instagram is now totally acceptable, so...
And apparently it isn't just young girls on this site..I have read about mothers, nurses, politicians, etc.
The girl Jeff mentions was a Pastor's daughter. I do not blame the family. I blame a culture whose influence is much stronger than you think.
I also blame the lust and lure of big money which ditching one's family's morality to do stuff like this can bring them.
Look at actresses and actors today.
They have all done nude scenes and similated sex scenes nude. IMO, as a Christian, they are immoral to do them, (a small step away from actual pornography), but satan's disciples (entertainment industry) are requiring it for their 'career' and for the big money 💰 they get in return. So does 'immorality' even exist as a concept in this neo pagan culture? No it does not. Neither does 'character' because it ties in too much to Christian values and morality.
I listened to the whole interview. She had a very dysfunctional family, and the young lady is quite mixed-up. As she talked through her chronology, you could easily see trouble on the horizon. I hope she gets to a better place in her life.
Virtual prostitution - sounds like the same thing to me too
Who is this man?
So, after listening to her interview, it seems that some guy TRIED to get her to sign up with a link that would get him a cut or something, but she said something like "I was like, why would I do that? I signed up on my own, and made sure I had complete control over my own content."
Which has in some ways turned out to be a good thing, because she says she now has a lawyer going after sites that have stolen her content to take it down, because she still has all legal right to it. (Though it sounds like she is accepting that she will never completely get rid of it all, and lives with the consequences of her choices.)
To me, she sounds legit - the way she talks about her conversion and having meaning in her life seems so joyful, in a way that I can't see somebody faking. And the fact that she completely deleted her onlyfans, even though she could have kept it up with her old content on there and continued making good money from it, and talks about how rationally she WANTED to keep it up because it "makes sense" to keep herself financially secure, but decided she couldn't because the Spirit was convicting her that it wasn't right.
Good morning, y'all!
Nala's story proves that the media are bigger whores than is anyone selling sex on OnlyFans.
Note to self: Do not eat duck when in France.
99.9% of animals consumed for food have 'vaccines' and antibiotics and growth hormones added to the genetically engineered grain and other crap they are given as food.
That is why we have 4 pigs growing hefty on the property
But I have yet to see a label on food sold with the words "not vaccinated"...
That's why we are purchasing local meat that is advertised as non-vaxxed.
AND don't eat pork in USA, which has been injected with mRNA: https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/pork-merck-mrna-livestock-vaccine-cola/
Pretty soon it will be only bugs in France.
I thought the supposed culinary capital of the world would care more about the safety of what they are consuming. Ofcourse, they believe that vaccines are good, so no conflict, I guess. 🤷
Lots of people there do care about food and are against antibiotics and GMOs and pesticides and things like that. They probably are more interested and sensitized than many Americans are on the subject tbh.
Yes, I've seen many people comment about having gone to Europe and most people are not fat, and they eat what would not be considered the healthiest carb breakfast and they lose weight while they're in Europe!
Yes, I know that, that is why this surprised me..but perhaps they don't know about it yet.
They may also have blinders on about vaccines in particular, even though they are leery of the other stuff.
1st !! 1st !! AHAHAAH HAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAH.
It's the little things in life that make me happy....
Darn it! By the time I corrected my spelling mistakes, I was 4th!
Pride goeth before a typo.
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Sorry to say, but you’re the 3rd loser today. 😉
Vaccinating birds for “viruses” is so sad — especially since they don’t exist. Fauci has tricked the world with HIV and Covid and unfortunately that is now affecting animals: https://unorthodoxy.substack.com/p/why-it-does-matter
Especially when the ultimate side effect for the ducks is “depopulation.”
I believe it’s to create the new bird flu. Vaccinate the birds with the gain of function virus. Just like *C.
Glad someone else noticed that. They always tell you what they're going to do. Not that long ago, the word "depopulate" was a curse word and not to be used for fear of giving ammo to "conspiracy theorists." Now, here it is in print.
And, therefore, is contaminating our food supply
During the scamdemic, they injected most of the zoo animals with a concoction made by Zoetis, a former Pfizer subsidiary. That took care of most of the mammals, so they are going after the birds now.
Two options before us: prepare to play hunger games, or pray like we mean it.
Maybe both! ;)
Here are people who say birds don’t exist LOL
https://youtu.be/e2wir9wRp8w
I recall reading that "birds don't exist" was a deliberate prank/troll by someone to see how far he could get with it. I'm not sure how many people actually took him seriously, vs people who thought it was funny and joined in...
(Small correction, I think the slogan was "birds aren't real", rather than "birds don't exist". Only remembered that after I posted.)
Average fringe-lunatic American. Wakes up, washes the car, and flies to the Himalayas like an extinct bird.
haha- the black dude wasn't having any of that! And his t-shirt- Bird Watching Goes Both Ways- lol.
Mark Crispin Miller has substacks of dead zoo animals that were vaccinated. A lot of animals are dead. What is wrong with people? These poor animals.
Tom Haviland (worldwide embalmer blood clot survey) and embalmer Richard Hirschman’s interview with Sharyl Attkisson just aired on mainstream media yesterday.
https://fullmeasure.news/
Latest Stories - Covid Clots (6 mins)
This interview took place last August, but did include some current statistics.
Please share widely.
Love Sharyl Attkisson.
Fabulous coverage....wait for the FDA punchline at the end
"Once you're dead we don't care why you're dead."
SeeingTruth - sickening wasn’t it.
Now if only Sharyl will cover the clots being found in the living:
https://philipmcmillan.substack.com/p/update-on-embalmers-clots-in-the
Great video coverage including some footage from a Cath lab whistleblower. Haviland makes an excellent point - there are many professionals present during a cath lab procedure - surgeons, cardiologists, anesthesiologists, nurses - who are witnessing this and not coming forward. Know anyone in Cath lab? Please show them this.
Potential mechanism for the clot formation is also discussed. Fabulous work by all!