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rolandttg's avatar

Learned something new about "the drug with the worst cost benefit ratio" , Statins. Statins target the enzyme necessary for the body to produce cholesterol. What I did not know is that cholesterol is necessary for the body to produce Vitamin D, the single most important hormone to ensure a healthy immune system. So statins , the most widely prescribed drug in America, and a trillion dollar worldwide boondoggle, were a major contributor to covid deaths.

https://www.theepochtimes.com/health/statin-drugs-laid-the-groundwork-for-covid-19-post-5639933?utm_source=Goodevening&src_src=Goodevening&utm_campaign=gv-2024-05-

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Valerie's avatar

I’m always told that I have high cholesterol (which honestly, is barely above the range... that keeps getting adjusted downward), but I keep going back to the thought that almost all cells in your body make cholesterol, it’s your body’s method of repair when something is damaged. Your body is not going to try to kill itself with excess cholesterol, so the question is.... what’s causing my body to think it has a lot to repair? Or more importantly... medicine just came up with the ‘normal’ range for cholesterol, how do they know this number isn’t my normal? I haven’t gotten any good answers yet, so I tell them I’m taking the conservative, non-pharma route.

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Tom's avatar

Meanwhile, not a peep about canola oil and other oils that cause inflammation.

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NAB's avatar

And like everything else, I believe the "correct level" is highly individualized.

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Oma's avatar

Also the range of “high- low” on any of our lab results is recalculated ever so often (we were told by our lab tech “1-3 years or when they ‘need to’ so the highs may be your normal”) so your results will change! “‘They’ average the lab results country wide for a number and create a new range!! What the Heck?!!

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Politico Phil's avatar

That is exactly correct. The human body makes the cholesterol. Very little comes from diet.

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SadieJay's avatar

I was fat. My cholesterol was at 207. Doc wanted to prescribe statins. I said no...been trying to put me on them for years. So, I started eating clean, no processed. I lost 65 lbs. Went back and my cholesterol was 350, but the 'good' numbers went way up as well. So, go figure. I have a wellness appt next month and we will see if I can get away with her not sticking me this year. She knows how I feel about all of it. My answer to all the tests she asks if I want is NONONO. I only eat God stuff mostly and don't eat out or buy crap. My body produces cholesterol and I am fearfully and wonderfully made and I feel better than I have in all my life and I am 60. My mom is 96.

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LizardFro's avatar

I didn’t know this until I lost a lot of weight and researched it - but when you lose weight (not quickly but 65lbs is significant) it forces all that cholesterol into your bloodstream. It can take about 6 months AFTER you have stabilized your weight to see your cholesterol numbers stabilize as well so…just an encouragement!

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SadieJay's avatar

Thank you!

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InquizitiveOne's avatar

I also came across this study https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34511127/

That shows the higher cholesterol levels the elderly had, the longer they were likely to live!

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Sally M's avatar

This study seemed to indicate lower LDL Cholesterol levels with higher all case Mortality.

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InquizitiveOne's avatar

Yep that’s the point. Low cholesterol shortens your life!

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Valerie's avatar

Well done! 👏🏼👏🏼

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rolandttg's avatar

Keep it up. We stopped wellness appointments with all allopathic doctors. I do them with our biological dentist, and when I see our holistic Dr. for blood tests (had hyperthyroidsim, and taking testosterone, so regular blood tests to make sure results stay where they should). I used to do regular physicals, but no more. 71.

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SadieJay's avatar

I think, if we are in tune with our bodies and doing the right thing, it will tell us what we need to know. Thanks for the encouragement!

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rolandttg's avatar

It sure worked for us. Cured cancer (her)and hyperthyroidism (me) completely holistically. You can do it.

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Ellen Komorowski's avatar

Valerie-your liver makes approximately 85% of the cholesterol. Your doctor needs to order a Cardiac IQ R test. This fractionates your cholesterol panel and lets you know your particles sizes of your LDL. Can also reveal your LDL pattern, lipoprotein little a, lipoprotein B and E which give you a much more accurate picture of your health related risk. I got mine done through Quest and my insurance covered it.

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Copernicus's avatar

Dr Malcolm Kendrick says the problem is not LDL at all but inflammation. Doesn’t matter the size of the LDL.

My spouse has spent hundreds of hrs researching this.

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rolandttg's avatar

You could not be more right. Inflammation is the root cause of all disease and illnesses.

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Valerie's avatar

And thank you for the info! If I hadn’t done all of it already, it would be extremely valuable.

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SadieJay's avatar

Yes, I am not believing what they are selling at all. Ever. Losing this weight and only eating clean and seeing my cholesterol number increase just shows what a scam it all is. If eating only what God put on this earth for me to eat causes my numbers to go sky high, then so be it. It is called a doctor's "practice" for a reason.

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Valerie's avatar

Oh I’ve had all of it, cardiac IQ, calcium plaque score (zero), and heart ultrasound (perfect). Literally the only problem is high LDL-C which is a concern but I’m still taking a conservative approach when it comes to pharma solutions.

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Copernicus's avatar

Look up Malcolm Kendrick’s book The Clot Thickens, if you want reassurance re LDL. Absolutely no reason for concern.

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Robin Greer's avatar

Sugar seems to be the big issue (and Carbs). I was in a cardiac class and they actually said high blood sugar pits the arteries and that cholesterol is used like a band-aid to cover those pitted areas.

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Copernicus's avatar

Sugar is one of many things that yes, damages the endothelium. And yes, cholesterol is part of the repair process. Under normal conditions the cholesterol repair gradually is degraded and a smooth endothelial surface is once again present. However, when there is ongoing damage via sugar or other inflammation, then the bandaids accumulate, resulting in clots.

Cholesterol is akin to the fire truck that shows up at the scene of a fire. It’s the response to a problem, not the cause.

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Robin Greer's avatar

Exactly. Thanks for the additional explanation and analogy.

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Copernicus's avatar

Your welcome. The analogy is not original with me.

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Robin Greer's avatar

And calcium scans are cheap. Cash patients $50 at least in my area. Although I wouldn't do one every year as that's a lot of radiation.

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Emumundo's avatar

Orthomolecular medicine has some natural things you can do to lower cholesterol.

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Nikki (Gayle) Nicholson's avatar

a friend of mine, had the above test, Medicare doesn't pay for it. :-( surprise.

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SB's avatar

They keep changing the BP ranges, too. As you get older you actually need more cholesterol because it is essential to brain health, ie preventing things like Alzheimer's. I wonder how much and how long Alzheimer's patients have taken cholesterol pills? Maybe someone should do that study?

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Robin Greer's avatar

And are put on a low-fat diet instead of a low carb diet. I watched a video on Epoch that talked about a clinic where dementia patients (Type 3 diabetes) are put on a no carb diet and 2 weeks later they are released without dementia. I believe the interview was with a man who wrote "Lies I Taught in Medical School."

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Joanne Shannon's avatar

The Japanese did a study in the elderly that showed: the higher the cholesterol, the lower the death rate. I keep telling my son, they want us dead. It’s become my mantra.

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SadieJay's avatar

Wow...that makes me feel better!

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Valerie's avatar

I saw that too!

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FourWinds's avatar

Yes, yes they most certainly do want us dead.

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Dena's avatar

The brain needs cholesterol- statins can & does contribute to dementia.

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Emumundo's avatar

Labs recalculate normal ranges every 100,000 tests so the goal post keeps moving.

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rolandttg's avatar

You answered your own question. Our holistic Dr confirmed they typically just pull these ranges out of their you know where. And they are always too low for what you need ie. D, cholesterol, C, etc. No money in anything without a patent.

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Robin Greer's avatar

When my mom changed her diet to cut out eggs, her cholesterol went up. You body has a thermostat for cholesterol.

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Barbara ( Portlander😵‍💫)'s avatar

What do you take I I may ask. I’m on a statin and went off and now was convinced to go back on after a TIA.

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Valerie's avatar

Since my heart scans and calcium plaque scores show no issues, I’m not taking anything. It could change, but I’m comfortable to wait and see for now. But I also have all the lifestyle factors down (healthy weight, healthy diet, exercise, etc) and zero family history of heart issues. So it’s a good bet for me, but it’s highly individual. I agree with the person who said to do your research for yourself, because cardiac disease is a huge problem. I would never want to tell anyone to do what I’m doing just because it seems like a good idea to me.

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Robin Greer's avatar

Avocado and or olive oil everyday can help but you have to do your own research and come to your own conclusions. These good fats will help bring down "bad" fats. In Israel, we were told while we were there, the nomadic people drink olive oil everyday.

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SadieJay's avatar

Yes, I quit all L-6 oils as well. And am very picky about my EVOO. And plenty of sunshine without sunscreen.

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Robin Greer's avatar

Sunshine is so important too. Great reminders. And never buy oil in plastic.

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Robin Greer's avatar

Of course, olives and olive oil are plentiful there.

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Valerie's avatar

I have a theory that sunshine is even more important to our health than we think, and lack of it may be the cause of many of our allergy, autoimmune, etc issues. I think that the sun probably starts many different processes in our body, not only our circadian rhythm, but other hormone cascades. Human beings lived in the sun and elements and were hardly inside at all until a few hundred years ago. It can’t be possible that living inside, in fake light and fake temperatures, allows us to thrive.

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SadieJay's avatar

I think you are so right. When I get a daily dose of sunshine, about an hour or more, I feel much better. I do not use sunscreen. I think " why would God put something in the sky that would kill us?" Now, man on the other hand, with sunscreen and all the crap in it? Not buying it. If I feel I have been in the sun too long, I put on a shirt. Plus, tan fat looks better than white fat.

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LizardFro's avatar

I have a doctor friend (retired)who has become totally disillusioned with the medical industry since Covid. He did a deep dive into cholesterol and what matters is WHAT is high and what is low. He has a crazy high LDL (whichever the bad one is) but everything else including his triglycerides is low/in range. That is actually ok for him & his cardiologist finally agreed. He is anti-statin use as well. But it’s highly individualized based on how your body is wired. He has no CVD at all - confirmed with a scope.

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Valerie's avatar

This is exactly where I am.

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Politico Phil's avatar

I have always called Statins the biggest snake oil scam in medicine. A complete scam and the biggest money making staple BigPharma has. I started reading Dr. William Campbell Douglass's "Second Opinion" newsletter back in the '70s. https://www.amazon.com/Years-Your-Life-some-Douglass/dp/9962636043

Dr. Douglass even then exposed the scam of statin drugs. My youngest son obtained a doctorate in pharmacology from U of FL. When he came home, he told me that the statin/cholesterol paradigm made no sense. He said that statin drugs block such an important pathway in the human body, it made no sense to use it. Cholesterol is necessary for so many of the body's functions, especially the human brain which requires tremendous amounts of cholesterol. Statins are nothing but modern day Snake Oil.

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NAB's avatar

I may have mentioned this book before, but Dr. Malcolm Kendrick in the UK does a deep dive on the issue of the cholesterol paradigm in his book "The Clot Thickens." He also has a great blog.

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Jean V's avatar

Also, "The Great Cholesterol Con" and "Doctoring Data" by Dr. Kendrick.

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Franklin O'Kanu's avatar

I actually touched briefly on cholesterol when I was discuss Ivermectin here. I had the same stance as you on the whole field: https://unorthodoxy.substack.com/p/reimagining-medicine

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Politico Phil's avatar

You should hear the conversations I have with my doctors when I call it snake oil. They don't know what to do with me.

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Dr Linda's avatar

I have an appointment coming up. They will try to shove it down my throat. I’m using snake oil. I always I am taking responsibility for my life and health

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Valerie's avatar

I read your article on IVM the other day. On point. 👍🏼

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rolandttg's avatar

Few people know that the original Rockefeller patriarch's (John D. ) father was an actual snake oil salesman . Appropriate, don't you think?

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A.J.'s avatar

Yep, and that Big Oil man had alopecia so bad he wore wigs.

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Robin Greer's avatar

Can't make any hormones without cholesterol.

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Bitesandpieces's avatar

Here’s a curiousity. Hubs has always had an elevated cholesterol - not high just higher than “they’d” like. He can’t take statins - joint pain. So the doc tested his blood molecules (??). Evidently - and I’m not a lab technician - when they tested the size of his blood molecule, it was on the small side. Which means that his blood travels through his arteries a lot easier than if they were large even if there is plaque there. Makes sense. IDK- maybe I was dreaming about that!!!

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Politico Phil's avatar

That's right. First of all, nearly everyone now has "high cholesterol" according to Pharma guidelines. So ignore that.

Second, the standard cholesterol panel is nearly useless - except for selling statins. A full cholesterol panel will test for particle size and bouyancy. I initially had a doctor tell me my cholesterol was too high and needed a statin. I demanded a full panel. When that came back, she look at it and admitted that my cholesterol was "good". Dr. Mercola wrote at length about this and gave all the parameters to look for.

But the test is still basically useless because the only tool the doctor has in his tool box is statin drugs. So what's the point. If you can do a stress test without breaking a sweat even if you have "high" cholesterol, then you obviously do not have any blockages. Get a full panel done just to see if you might have a problem and then go to LifeExtension.com and use what they recommend in natural supplements to address that. Easy pessy. Start with a good fish oil omega 3 supplement.

I had a good buddy who worked in a stressful job, was very fit but was ADD which added to the stress. Exercised everyday and was not fat. His cholesterol was WAY high and was constantly on statins. He complained to me that the drugs were destroying his quality of life and the doctor was always switching him to a different statin but nothing helped. I kept telling him about cholesterol and statins and how bogus the whole paradigm was.

Now get this. He could run all day on a stress test and never broke a sweat! So I asked him, why is he worried about cholesterol as he obviously had no blockage. I told him that his body was making all that cholesterol to PROTECT him from the stress. He finally got fed up and went off the drugs. Later on he retired. Some time after he retired, he called me and told me that his cholesterol numbers had suddenly dropped dramatically. I said, "See John, I told you your body was making that cholesterol to protect you from the stress. Now that you are retired, you don't need that cholesterol anymore."

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Bitesandpieces's avatar

Interesting. I’ll tell him. statin drugs also bad for liver. Natural remedies are the best for your body. They’re bio-identical. Synthetic drugs may get similar results but the pathways they take are what does the damage.

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Bill Campbell's avatar

Yup. And studies are now coming out linking statins to dementia.

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Franklin O'Kanu's avatar

100% agreed! Statins made it possible for new drugs like these obesity drugs to hit and gain a ground on the market. False medicine I tell ya: https://unorthodoxy.substack.com/p/reimagining-medicine

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Karen Bandy's avatar

Meanwhile they have lowered the safe/not safe levels for diabetes. Everyone is pre diabetic now, or so it seems.

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Copernicus's avatar

Which actually was known years ago.

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Paige Green's avatar

I believe it. Mom was on statins for several decades. Always reported back how good her numbers were. Unfortunately, it took covid to open my eyes and by that time dementia had taken my mom.

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LizardFro's avatar

But isnt’ there a link to high cholesterol and Alzheimer’s?

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Bard Joseph's avatar

They lowered cholesterol standard to sell more.

They rot the brain.

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Alice P. Liddell's avatar

They are also doing the same with Blood Pressure.

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NAB's avatar

The number of elderly people likely harmed by artificially lowering their blood pressures has got to be significant.

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Alice P. Liddell's avatar

And they are lowering the numbers of what is considered "normal blood pressure". They are doing this so that more people are diagnosed as having high blood pressure. What was once considered in the normal range is now considered as needing blood pressure medication.

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cat's avatar

Yep, watch out for this--especially WOMEN. Lowering BP too low using drugs significantly increases risk of frequently falling, which then leads to nursing home and downhill from there.

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Grandma Bear's avatar

My husband fell and broke his femur badly (needing surgery) after his blood pressure medicine was increased, the only meds I kept him on after he had a stroke.

Now he's off it entirely, and his physical therapist was giving us so much grief, cancelling visits because his blood pressure was "too high" at levels that not so many years ago would have been considered perfectly normal, that I stopped going there (should have known she was a nut, still wearing a mask in 2024, even though I asked her not to). They don't even take age into consideration any more.

I try my best to keep him away from doctors (I avoid them like the plague) but he still thinks he needs them.

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Astragale's avatar

Same here. I avoid doctors. And tests.

Many healthy people seem to get tested for all kinds of things. Doctors will then ‘find’ something. And prescribe Pharma junk. People still trust these salesmen for some reason.

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NAB's avatar

Yes. Precisely the scenario I worry about.

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cat's avatar

saw this happen first-hand with someone close to me.

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Karmy's avatar

After studying homeopathy I learned of Indian doctors called Prasanta and Pratip Banerji who were allopathic as well as homeopathic practitioners. They have created their own protocols for many diseases including cancer and in the book I have of their protocols they talk about not even treating high blood pressure as we do in the West as they have seen many hundreds of patients with high blood pressure who live long lives without drugs. Who decided what the optimum blood pressure should be? Was it big pharma?

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AngelaK's avatar

It could also cause stroke. That is what happened to my grandfather who did not want to take his meds to lower his blood pressure.

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Politico Phil's avatar

Yeah, they keep lowing the threshold for prescribing the drug to enlarge the market. They are now even recommending statins for CHILDREN.

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NAB's avatar

Yes! As a first line measure, too. They don't talk about diet or exercise. Just, "take a pill."

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Based Florida Man's avatar

Biggest anti-covid med is D3 (from sunshine).

Yet Covid-authorities "you must stay in side, and playgrounds are off limits"

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Ryan Gardner's avatar

Right on.

There was only one treatment necessary for c19:

Get outside and "play".

It was as simple as that.

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Astragale's avatar

I was ordered off a beach during the plandemic. There was literally no-one else there. Someone must have seen me from their window & called the 2 cops who turned up really fast. Great health policy eh? Stop people walking on a beach in the fresh air!

Even more stupidly, the cops said I could walk on the pavement beside the beach but not on the sand.

EVERYTHING about the plandemic was BS.

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John infinity N's's avatar

And also be careful with too much D-3 bought over the counter, it can actually pull calcium out of the bones and clog the arteries. Its the same active ingredient in most rat poisons and is how it kills rats.

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Politico Phil's avatar

That is because you have to supplement with K2 when using D.

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InquizitiveOne's avatar

I take solaray brand D3/K2 since 2020 and it’s kept my vitamin D above 50 :)

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Janet's avatar

What ingredient are you referring to?

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John infinity N's's avatar

Cholecalciferol. Its not actually D-3 the hormone, it needs to break down in the kidney I think to the pre-D3 as found in some foods then processes again in the body to the same molecule as the D3 hormone that occurs naturally. Cholecalciferol is the main ingredient in rat poison at a lethal dose for the rats.

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Janet's avatar

Thanks for that. I’ll have to do some research. Rat poison from what I recall kills by causing massive hemorrhaging.

And isn’t D a vitamin? The hormone reference is throwing me off?

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John infinity N's's avatar

Well from what I understand what we call vitamins are actually classified as hormones in the body, but I could be wrong on that. Either way the molecule of Vit D in the body made from the sun is not the molecule found in the supplement. Processes in the body add or remove like a carbon or hydrogen atom here or there to end up with the same molecule of the Vit D. But definitely do some research cause even vitamins are being recommended to people in a one size fits all kind of thing just like pharma meds. Also vitamin K is a blood thickener, K1 more so than K2 from what I understand but I had to stop taking K2 cause it was giving me circulation issues and vit K counteracts blood thinners so they don't recommend taking both.

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AngelaK's avatar

I think it is horrible, but all the people with FH an inherited gene seem to be giving it to their children and teens and I cringe.

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gigiRN's avatar

Evil drug. Several studies (not new ones ) reveal the dementia link—but providers say the risk is worth it. Just look at the NNT (numbers needed to treat). Worth the risk? Easy for them to say. Drs. drank the coolaide - made tastier by pharma kickbacks. Both my parents were on statins for years; both developed severe dementia, one also had a stroke too. I have several statin stories I could tell, but bottom line is: stay away from that shit.

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Erin W's avatar

Yup. I’ve been ranting about those for over a decade to anyone who will listen. On top of that the NTT (need to treat) number is insanely high, and the criteria for those it “helps” is even worse.

Statins are, IMO, a disaster in the risk-benefit calculation.

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Irunthis1's avatar

I am constantly trying to talk people out of taking those things. I'm actually surprised I haven't been "warned" about it but I do try to tell people that I am probably the only pharmacist that will tell them the truth about it if they want to hear it. Sadly, most people still trust the doctor and just shrug and say well my doctor thinks I should take it. But I have had some wins so I just keep trying!

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rolandttg's avatar

You. Tried to tell a brother in law this last Thanksgiving, and he actually got angry. So, die on your own terms. Jabbed of course too

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NAB's avatar

Oh my goodness, I was just talking about this very issue with my husband. I religiously take my vit. D + K2 (and was reading how efficient our bodies are at making it with sun exposure) but didn't realize the role of cholesterol!

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FourWinds's avatar

Cholesterol being up in the body is usually an indicator that inflammation is present, so it's a symptom, not the disease. I'm guessing if a person eliminates the inflammation, the cholesterol will go back down. And yes, it's vital to have cholesterol.

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SadieJay's avatar

Not in my case. I ate terrible and cholesterol was 207 and I was FAT. Lost 65 lbs and quit processed food. My joint pain went away and so did the inflammation and my cholesterol 'number' went up to 350. So, I, personally, can't speak to that assertion as fact. In my case, it is not true.

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Emumundo's avatar

I think life expectancy is increased 3 or 4 days- absolute vs. relative risk.Anyway, statins also hurt your heart muscle.

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Robin Landry's avatar

Cholesterol is also necessary for the brain, and all of the sex hormone. So—making money off a drug that takes away testosterone and brings on Alzheimer’s. Nice work pharmaceutical scientists/ or to use the root word of pharm-sorcerers.

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Citizen Satirist (CS)'s avatar

The Intellectual Yet Idiot

https://medium.com/incerto/the-intellectual-yet-idiot-13211e2d0577#.ntt8r6u7f

...The IYI is member of a club to get traveling privileges; if social scientist he uses statistics without knowing how they are derived (like Steven Pinker and psycholophasters in general); when in the UK, he goes to literary festivals; he drinks red wine with steak (never white); he used to believe that fat was harmful and has now completely reversed; he takes statins because his doctor told him to do so...

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Faith&FitnessMama's avatar

Not to mention, cholesterol is an essential component in cell walls. Cholesterol drugs act systemically so not only do blood cholesterol levels drop but cell walls throughout the body become weakened creating inflammation throughout the body. The inflammatory response was a major contributor to Covid deaths.

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cat's avatar

Run your data through one of those cardio risk calculators online. Then change your cholesterol level to "ideal" and run it. It's illuminating... I use their calculator against anyone pushing statins on me.

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shayne's avatar

Cholesterol is the single most necessary component for a healthy brain...

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