Best news (besides all of it) is getting rid of the state dept and Trump refusing to sign their BS rules and finance his own transition team outside of dc. π π.
Heβs already off to a great start! THIS is why we want to hire him!
Just kill the withholding process. God claims the first fruits as His own. The US Government grabs the first fruits before the taxpayer sees them. And so much more than God claimed. If the people are required to pony up the tax out of funds that pass through their hands the uproar will be glorious.
Agreed! As a sole proprietor, I pay in estimated taxes and let me tell you, it's a painful process! It makes me really angry when I think of the government waste and what those same dollars could do for my family. Citizens' voting would completely change if each citizen had to pay the government every week or two or quarter to fund Ukraine, prisoner sex changes, illegal immigrant housing while their own family struggles with groceries and household expenses.
Yes, as small business owners we did the exact same thing for years and understood that very few people get what it is like to feel taxation in real time instead of in withholdings.
Exactly, Dan! I've said that for years. If people had to actually pay at the end of the year, they would view things much differently. The slow, small cuts every week or two weeks doesn't have the same pain as the sword through the chest or mace across the head at the end of the year.
It is obvious, that is why the implemented "withholding" and also so that they could be cavalier with the constant flow of "income" into the treasury in the form of our taxes. Purposeful manipulation of the people. Those Dems and RINOs back when they introduced the withholding theft were smart in some ways back then, I'll give them that...
Good Point! Excellent! The 'government' inverts the intended order head over heels. And another example of the state's insurrection against God and Scripture.
remember the $600 hammer the Defense Department ordered in the 1980s or the $640 toilet seat they commissioned? And what of the Spruce Goose that flew for a grand total of 30 seconds 77 years ago today costing $23 million then? The government and the Pentagon truly thinks money grows on trees!
The question is, if presented, would it actually pass Congress. Highly doubtful and I would imagine Trump knows this. Politicians in an election year say all sorts of stuff...
Then it's time to do something about Congress. Income tax is unconstitutional and makes us slaves to our government. I grew up believing I was blessed because I was born in the freest country the world has ever known. I was deceived. I see my shackles now and it's time to take them off. If it can be done, it starts with Trump.
I can see the 16th Amendment being challenged with it going all the way to the Supreme Court after Trump takes office. Property taxes are especially unconstitutional because they are based on feudal European laws.
And, I forgot to add this: They use the property tax system to fleece the taxpayer and pay for the indoctrination of your own children (WE are funding our own demise) through the government run school systems, that you really don't have a say in how they are run. If you push back on insane curriculum, you are called every bad name in the book and are put on lists as enemies of "democracy" or some other sort of Orwellian name.
True, but with the exception of a few necessary and decent thing the federal government does, all of our taxes are used against us. The whole world hates us for being financial bullies and thieves, and warmongers misery exporters. Who signed up for that?
all the millions of families who homeschool or otherwise pay for private education βare forced to pay school βtaxesβ to the very system they want dismantled or decreased ..since more kids are leaving public school - it is unfair. School tax should be illegal. as should annual real estate taxes βone sales tax when property transfers is enough!
Another thing is if we were not taxed as much, we could survive on one income and educate our own children. However it would be an issue for single parents and those who don't care for their children. Those can be helped by the community. We need to focus on strengthening families instead of breaking them down.
My brother's property tax bill in northern Utah (not going to be specific here); 50% of the bill was for the School District (over $1500!). So, to your point - it's a sick feeling to know we are paying for the indoctrination of our children and the inevitable division/destruction it creates in families.
Exactly GG. I've been of the mindset for a long time that the "queen" and now the "king" (the governmental apparatus) always own your property. You never truly own it; you still have to pay your "rent" every six months or yearly, depending on your state.
I especially hate property taxes because I am terrified they are going to jack those through the roof in their plans to oust people from their homes and move them to 15 minute cities. That was my guess all along for how they would do it. That or natural disasters.
They should at least abolish property taxes on senior citizensβ homes. A senior friend of mine had to sell her home when her beloved husband died because she couldnβt afford the property taxes and maintenance. Itβs so wrong to lose a loved one and then lose your home.
There's a book named "The Law That Never Was" by a rancher using the nickname "Red" (his name is on the book but I never remembered it after reading from it.) He and his wife were offended enough by IRS demands for an accounting of charitable contributions that they paid someone to visit all 48 state archives and the National Archives to look up the complete record of both ends of the ratification process for each state. With a little bit of commentary! the content of the book is a copy of that complete record. (DuckDuckGo just gave me this link which I have not opened "https://thelawthatneverwas.com" and I remember the last name "Benson" from that search) Every one of the records was deficient (fraudulent) according to what my 1950s childhood schooling taught me about how such things work. Nonetheless, US Secretary of State, Philander T Knox (some parents have delightful prescience) duly reported that he had received the required ratifications and it was formally added to the Constitution as the 16th Amendment.)
The voters have to eliminate those people, and last I checked, the majority of them are still the ones on the ballots. So, yeah, a bill to eliminate income taxes ain't gonna happen, and I'd bet the farm on it.
1000%. If done right, with the 16th Amendment eliminated and the guard rails put in place, so they can't just with a simple majority increase the rate, it would be a boon for the country and for freedom. And everyone has skin in the game, and "pays their fair share" to quote the leftist totalitarian's favorite thing to screech!!! Progressive tax on income is the worst thing for economic growth.
The Sixteenth Amendment was never lawfully by any state. I read the book tens of years ago and personally observed the discrepancies. What we need from the bottom is a club with a chapter in each state doing the search in their own state to gather the complete record of the ratification. Then sue to get the various certifications of their ratifications declared legally deficient. Another chapter needs to look up the other end of the process in the National Archives so the state chapters can include that data in their suits.
The collection work was done successfully a number of years ago and recorded in a book titled The Law That Never Was. That was before the web and crowdsourcing and his ire was directed at the center and none of his legal efforts went anywhere.
DuckDuckGo just gave me a URL of the same name (which I have not visited):
The gentleman that did all the work died in 2021 at age of 94. I plan to dive into the website this weekend. Here is the opening in memoriam at the top of the website:
During the early morning hours of May 5, 2021, the honorable man William J. Benson left our good company forever.
He was born March 30, 1927 in Harvey, Illinois. He'd just turned 94. A stalwart defender of American liberty, he never wavered in his commitment to hold government accountable for its misbehaviors. Over the years he assisted many in successful defenses against a cruel, illegitimate and tyrannical tax system; those who adhered to his careful guidance were exonerated of wrongdoing.
He leaves us a legacy difficult to fulfill. He was almost larger than life. His discoveries have shaped how we see the history of our nation.
Thank you Dan. I have always heard that but hadn't taken the time to research it. It was one of those that was simply 'decreed' by the progressives when it got close. I'll bet Elon would be on board with looking into this. He has a complete understanding on how the income tax has ruined this country. I'd be willing to join the club.
Robyn: That's the point, every does pay their fair share. Using 21% as the tax rate for the Fair Tax on new goods as the example: If you can afford a $100,000 boat, you would pay $21,000 in taxes on that new purchase. If I can only afford a $10,000 boat, then I pay $2,100 in taxes on that new boat. You've paid a considerable more tax based on what you can afford than I did, so you and I would both be paying "our fair share". Not sure how the leftists can use the bogus 'fair share' talking point argument when looking at those numbers. But I'm sure they still would try!!... LOL! Common sense is an uncommon virtue with the communists/socialists.
I agree with you! But people who are used to getting several thousands for a tax refund, when they barely paid in any, would disagree with us. They won't notice much increase in their net pay, because not much is deducted. Maybe there could still be eic and/or child tax credits, through a different avenue?
Exactly: "refundable" tax credits, where people get MORE than they paid into the system... talk about a 'vote buying' scam.
With the Fair Tax, there is a monthly "prebate" payment that is based off of the published poverty level and the Fair Tax percentage amount that would be paid on that amount would be divided into 12 monthly prebate payments to the household. He uses a family of four household as the example. The book I have was written in 2006 so the numbers are based off of what things were at that time. The rebate is to offset taxes on household necessities. As written, anyone near the poverty level would be considerably much better off with the fair tax than the current system. Too much to write in a post here, but it makes things much better. No payroll or FDIC tax either because the Fair Tax replaces those taxes as well. I have to go back and re-read the book, it has been a number of years since I've studied it.
The difficult part of this will be that tariffs will increase the cost of consumption. While, overall I think that's a good thing, it will impact lower income classes the most. They'll have to figure that out.
There will be pain, at first at least. But I think the tariffs will bring back American manufacturing, which would boost the economy further. Plus, it would give us purpose again. We used to make things. We can be that country again.
Remember cheap Chinese made goods are being brought to this country by corporations that have sold out to the low cost and in the case of Nike and Levis, slave labor, and they happily put their name on the product and import into America, because of the "cost savings" they get in slave labor.
We tend to "blame China" or other countries, but it is actually "American" corporations that are the ones to blame. Stanley Tools for example closed the majority of their plants in CT and other states and now are just primarily an import company of cheaply made tools with their name on it. Yes, they supposedly "make" it in the other countries in "their" plant, but you don't think the CCP sees that as the CCP's plant. You better believe it. They are just running the plant; it is not really "theirs". THEY (Wall Street and the Bain Capitals of the world (Mitt Romney) and the useless CEOs sold out America, not the countries making things and shipping them over here.
I welcome Trump's tariff plan no matter how much we have to endure if it will make the USA independent and free once again.
Yes, and on top of it, the massive gains made on their products are pocketed. We don't actually get cheap products from them - well, the quality is cheap, but they still cost a lot.
Tariffs will bring manufacturing back into the US. People who choose to buy something made overseas will indeed be choosing to pay the tariff. Half a century ago a Mercedes was worth paying the tariff for some people. Others were excited about their new Chevy, or Ford, or even Chrysler. Neither group of buyers considered the tariff as part of their decision.
^^like... maybe, just maybe, people will again return their focus to what a life is worth and why we are here in the first place... to learn not to earn until we bury ourselves in debt and things we never needed in the first place.
I am not an expert by any means, but Trump is going to fund the federal government the way it was funded before the 16th amendment was created. It will be something like the McKinley Tariff Act of 1890. Coincidentally, McKinley was assassinated after becoming president.
Esau wanted instant gratification, Jacob planned for the future (fourteen years labor for a wife...). Proverbs has a little thing about grasshoppers and ants, "Go to the ant, thou sluggard."
Also, the old adage: Question: How do you eat an elephant? Answer: One bite at a time.
Also, if someone finds themselves a hundred pounds overweight for their height. They didn't get that way overnight. It likely took many years. So, for them to get back into down to a healthy weight/shape, it will take longer than it did to get to be overweight. I forget the timeframe, but I think it is twice or 3x longer. Anyway, you get the point.
Yeah this is one of those things where neither Trump or anybody in the Trump circle has said this. It was just one NPR article that got all this this going. That said, pray it happens!
One of the restrictions is that you cannot start planning until they give permission! Trump is working on it now so they'll be ready to hit the ground running. That's a start.
Yes! Especially the paragraphs describing how the G S A (yet another 3 letter agency!) released information in both the Mueller (whoops I mean Weissman) investigation and assisted in the MAL raid.
For those who donβt know the website, not one fact published has ever been disputed.
This is probably outside of any possible realm, but imagine, after DOGE gets done axing all sorts of departments, the remaining departments get spread out geographically. Department of Agriculture could move to Nebraska. Department of Defense should move to, say, San Saba Texas, CIA headquarters should move to Nome Alaska, etc...
Fed Ed dictates every move the locals make with the blessing of our equally corrupt state departments of education.
Both exist for themselves- crass bureaucrats/educrats who havenβt educated one child. The siphon taxpayer $$$ & use it to keep their existence existing for the sake of existing.
Every $ bestowed upon the individual states (& on down to individual school systems) comes with HUGE STRINGS attached.
Many dictates conflict with local mores & belief systems. NO local control anymore.
Electronic records are kept on every child for life. Common Core ushered in Data Mining on a massive scale. Teachers are inundated with βpaper work,β checking off boxes, busywork, leaving limited time for genuine teaching.
We have SEL (Social Emotional Learning) which probes into personal info of children & seeks to cure what ails them. We have CRT (Critical Race Theory) which divides kids according to oppressors & oppressed. Kids just accept each other until adults mess with their minds. These programs are causing anxiety in many children then SEL, etc. swoop in to βhelpβ fix them. Right.
Sound familiar?
Cause a problem; then βfixβ it (their way).
A child psychologist told me his clinic load exponentially exploded when Common Core was implemented. Never had he seen so many anxious & disturbed kids. He & his wife removed their own school age children from public schools & recommended the same when I asked his advice about a friendβs grandchild. Her family were at wits end over her school system & what was going on; I consulted him as to where they could get help (he was located 3/4 across the country from them. I thought he could direct them to someone he know in their area. He ended up telling me the real solution is to leave the public school system).
TMI
Our education system is broken as far as truly educating our children. It only provides jobs all the way up the chain.
Iβve been saying this for a year! The departments need to spread out and be in the places where they operate mostβ¦. Border security should be in TX or AZ, dept of interior in Montana, Wyoming, South Dakota, etc.
I reckon when work on the border wall is up and running, President Trump should take a page out of Hadrian's playbook, and build forts every five miles along the wall with military personal and heavy armaments. I'd be fine doing this on both south and north borders.
Perfect! We can just eminent domain the land for an illegal alien processing station to send them back to their original countries. Sorry UN, we need this facility to process all of your people back to your respective countries. I think the estimation is over 160 plus countries with illegal alien representation that have come here...
Instead of being consolidated in "Rome", that would make sense. The 'poor' lobbyists would have travel all over the country to buy their influence! LOL!
Yes! In addition, the billions being sent overseas ends and Trump also confiscates funds from human traffickers and drug dealers (which he plans to do based on executive orders he wrote in his 1st term).
I have long been suggesting that one of the smallest changes to improve the mess would be to completely outlaw air conditioning in any structure within the DC beltway. No grandfather loophole.
Another tool is to remove phone service from government buildings. We already have tools to shut off cell service in an area, and wire service has always been easy to interrupt. This one just improves government efficiency disruptively.
I have lived in NYC in July (in my youth and teens) without air-conditioning and it was unpleasant but doable.
I have spent time in Greece in the summer without air-conditioning,..due to its dryness, the 90+ heat was doable and tolerable.
I live in South Florida now, and the heat and humidity factor is undoable without air conditioning. Not to mention how historically, and scientifically, working in heat makes workers unproductive as heck.
It just is not doable or tolerable in the south of the state.
It certainly IS doable to live in the south without air conditioning as I can personally attest to. I grew up on the coast of Florida and we didn't have air conditioning until I was a teenager. It was helpful to have an attic fan which pulled air through open windows. I do remember in school my clothing sticking to the varnish on the desk seat when I would go to stand up due to the heat melting the varnish. Doable, but certainly not ideal!!
Iβve read beforeβ¦this idea of spreading out across the country guvmint agencies. Brilliant! Then perhaps these bureaucrats will be more accountable to real people.
In DC they are ALL together at same parties, meetings, clubsβ¦. no wonder The Swamp came into existence.
I'm going to strongly recommend we finish the job of getting him into the White House before we start thinking about all of the possibilities.
YOU MUST GO VOTE IN SPITE OF EVERYTHING YOU ARE ABOUT TO READ! If you can vote in person on Tuesday do so, bring enough food and water that you can comfortably stay in line, but whatever you do, do not let anyone remove you from the line. If you have no choice but to vote early be prepared for something similar to this process which I suffered through.
I "voted" yesterday. I say "voted" because I went to the County Recorders office and told them I wanted to vote. After giving the clerk my photo ID Driver's license and several minutes, she came back and gave me a "blank" ballot - except for the unreadable computer code at the top. I went to one of the poll stations and made all my selections and had the machine print my ballot. After printing it, I checked the human readable portion of it and verified it had all my selections - it did. Of course I have no idea if the additional machine language which was also printed after "voting" - and is what the tabulator will read for my votes, accurately represented my vote - presumably with the same selections as I made, but who knows?
Anyhow, following the instructions from the clerk, now I had to take and FOLD the ballot twice to get it into the small envelope they gave me. I did NOT get to put it into a tabulation machine where my vote would be immediately registered. I then signed the envelope and put the ballot in their ballot box. She told me the ballot box would be emptied that night and the ballot removed from the envelope and sent to elections for counting in the next day or two!!!!
So, now I'm left wondering what will become of my folded ballot? Will it run through a tabulation machine or fail due to the folds and go to adjudication where they will vote for me? Will it be replaced by a pristine unfolded ballot with their choices somewhere during the move from recorders office to elections office?
Bottom line is I have no idea if my vote selections were tabulated or will ever be tabulated. I have no idea if the computer code at the top of my ballot equaled the human readable portion of the ballot.
But I went and "voted", mostly to see the process and report on it, and mostly to ensure they didn't prevent me from voting somehow on Tuesday.
I feel sick about it. I'm praying for divine intervention.
YOU MUST GO VOTE IN SPITE OF EVERYTHING I JUST WROTE!
If we get divine intervention and somehow win this s_Election, we must remove mail in balloting and programmable machines FOREVER from our elections.
We don't have early voting, only election day voting, unless you have a legitimate absentee ballot requirement (military service, out of the country, etc.). 100% on removing the machines and "vote by mail".
We need paper ballots, proper identification with voter against voter checklist with signature verification, election day in person voting unless legitimate absentee required (military service, etc.), hand counts, ballot preservation for a 10 year period, mandatory voter checklist certification to eliminate dead people voting, illegals, etc. also, make Federal Election Day a national holiday and/or make it a two day evolution. Simple. Let's Make Election Results Trustworthy Again!
Somewhere (here?) I recently read that our election need TWO things to be trustworthy: 1. Is a safe, verifiable election process. 2. Is public BELIEF that the process is safe and verifiable.
If either of those variables is absent, the system isn't working.
I did early voting for the first time ever on Wednesday. Stood in line for almost 3 hours.
This morning I went with my wife to repeat the process.
In Oklahoma, we get a paper ballot with little boxes out beside each candidate / question. You fill the chosen box in with ink, then after your entire ballot is complete, feed it into an electronic machine that records the votes and stores the ballot.
If any marks are made outside the boxes, or you try to write in a candidate, or try to vote for more than one candidate per election, the ballot is automatically voided and spat back to you.
No receipt is given to you so you just have to trust that it was tabulated correctly.
So the part of your process where you vote on paper is legit, your problem is letting the machines count it. LIkely, you also have no opportunity to do a manual hand count to verify the machines? See, I would be okay with the machines doing a count as long as a 100% hand count was also accomplished. But here in AZ the courts (yes the courts not the legislature) has ruled that only 2% of 5 races can be hand counted!! It's unbelievable and it happened right here in Cochise when a judge was sent here from Pima, a corrupt son of a bitch by the name of Mcginley who totally misinterpreted what it says in the legislation, which is that a minimum of 2% must be checked. Which means you could check all the way up to 100%. But he "interpreted" it differently and was not challenged by the county supervisors. They just fell in line.
Yep. We should have a counting verification process for the machines. Maybe not even for each machine but a random selection.
A poll official counts while someone from each party observes. Everyone has to certify under penalty of perjury that the counts matched the machines exactly.
If a machine has a mismatch in the counts, those ballots would be counted again and the totals taken from the hand count.
And at that point, all machines at that polling location would have to be hand counted.
I mostly agree Fred. But I believe the only way you can have full certainty is to hand count 100% of the ballots and every race on every ballot. Beside the fact that the outcomes are so damned important as they determine how our lives (freedom, liberty, pursuit of happiness, self determination) will be in our counties, state, and country, it would allow us to understand with complete certainty whether the machines are properly counting the vote. That they will not let us hand count to verify the machine count tells you everything.
Was just about to add: from time to time - happened with a race for Tulsa mayor just a couple months ago - a candidate will ask for a hand recount.
In which case the recount always is within one or maybe two votes, and usually the exact same. I remember thinking in this case that it was a waste of time & money. And it was.
I get the reason and recent history with a corrupt process in AZ though.
The problem is with programmable machines, and these machines are connected to the network, or which can bridge the air gap with thumb drives, can give you any outcome you want. So maybe for the Mayor of Tulsa, they ran the system with no algorithms, ran it straight and clean, in order to create a sense within the electorate the machines can be trusted for other more important elections like this one coming up. As long as they are programmable as all these are, you must never assume that because one election was clean, therefore all elections are. You just can't do that, that's why the machines must go, mail in ballots must go and everything returned to a certifiable and verifiable process.
The Tulsa mayoral race was just the most recent example. But I completely agree. If weβre gonna use electronic tabulator machines, there must be strict manual auditing built in to the process.
Anything else leaves the question in the votersβ minds, and destroys the trust that a one-man-one-vote system requires.
As I said elsewhere yesterday, we absolutely need a constitutional amendment coupled with federal legislation that spells out the minimum actions necessary for a state to effect these goals.
I don't think it is pristine at all Daniel. I am just saying that I haven't had the opportunity to vote yet (I would have voted early in person, if we had that option - which I never have, but President Trump encouraged everyone to vote early and I would have done it this year), because we do not have early voting (standard in person or mail in) in NH. Our town is paper ballots and hand count. I always assist with the count to keep an eye on things too... I don't even trust that system when it comes to the Dems.
Larger towns do unfortunately have the Dominion and other vote "counting" machines, so I am under no illusion that they will not be stealing NH and others like they did in 2004, 2016, 2020, and frankly, I believe they always do.
I followed closely all the cheating systems that Mike Lindell, 2000 Mules (Dinesh D'Souza) and all the battles that Kari Lake, Mark Finchem and others did in AZ and the other "swing" states.
The unconstitutional ways (state supreme courts decisions in PA, consent decrees in GA, secretaries of states making their own decisions, illegal drop boxes in WI) in states like (AZ, WI, GA, PA to name a few) that changed their voting mechanics without the state legislatures doing it, as directed by Article 1, Section 4 of the US Constitution. That should have been enough to reset the election, but the cowardly supreme court and Judas Pence refused to acknowledge reality.
Believe me, we are in this fight for the Republic together against the evil one and his minions.
Just to be clear, I wasn't knocking your system with my pristine comment. I was merely saying that even if you system was pristine-ly perfect, the fact that mine is full of fraud will allow the criminals to steal the election from both of us the way they have set it up with 7 "swing states" that determine the election for all 50. And if fucking pisses me off.
I also agree with you that if there are machines involved in counting the vote, then they will be used to achieve the outcome they want, and then will use the media to proclaim everything was perfect and corrupt judges to rule against anyone who should dare challenge the result.
When we lose this s_Election, we are going to need another shot heard around the world, another Concorde and Lexington to set the country back on course.
Here in Arizona they did the change to machines at County level to make it appear it was each county's choice to do it. But they didn't follow the Constitution of AZ which requires 15% of the electorate to approve the Initiative, put it on a ballot and have everyone vote (we hadn't realized at the time the initiative process required 15% of us to approve it before it would go on an election ballot - and of course none of those who did were talking because everyone was going to make a lot of money and/or stay in power over us). The 3 supervisors and our corrupt elections director at the time just forced it down our throats. It's likely they all got paid enormous sums to do it.
Then of course the pLandemic allowed them to institute mass mail in voting (whole sale ballot fraud) to complete their system just in time for the the 2020 election. Done under the guise of an emergency, again the electorate were never given the choice of wanting it or not.
Don't even get me started on Benedict Pence.
Yes, we are in it together, I'm just not sure how we coalesce into a force that can reckon with the problem?
Daniel, I got to vote my absentee ballot in-person (early voting in MI) and put the ballot in the tabulator which registered a green check mark on the screen.
Does that mean it will be counted the way I voted? No, it does not.
BUT as even Seth Keshel says (if you know who he is), that early voting is as much or more about the narrative war against our deceitful opponents' narratives, as it is about anything else.
He is going to vote on election day, but does understand why some would vote early and bank their vote.
I believe there is value in all of us voting by any (legal) means.
But they are still going to steal it with massive mail in ballot fraud and if that is not enough, then brute force number changing by the s_Election machines.
The real issue is what are Americans going to do about it when we are told Kakala won, the Senate is dem majority and the House is dem majority?
I hope we are ready to FIGHT! FIGHT! FIGHT!
PS, yes, I do know Seth, have spoken with him face to face. He's a good guy, I'd say a Patriot, but really hasn't been able to do much about ending the fraud, he has at least been able to show people how the fraud was done.
Susan, do you know him personally (not asking to be antagonistic)?
I know him not from time in the Army -we were in at different times - but only as someone who thoughtfully put forward the case for how our elections are stolen.
He is a former Army Military Intelligence Captain. Very good at analysis of both what happened in an event and what is about to happen based on understanding how the enemy is equipped, manned and how they operate as well as historical records. His presentations are detailed and documented. The only problem is that the courts blocked every case to present the evidence. Of course the media says there were something like 60 challenges, all thrown out! But not thrown out on merit, only on standing or laches (another bullshit way of saying you should have brought the case before the election.) Complete bullshit.
Massachusetts, once one of the greatest States in the union, in fact, the Revolutionary War began here at Concord and Lexington. Oh Massachusetts, what happened to thee?
I know!!!! Lets ask Pocohontas Warren? Ed Markey? Bruce Springsteen? What happened?!
Do most people in Mass actually agree with these fools and others like them? Or do they just not realize they have no say in the s_Elections?
I think they might, or they don't vote. I bet Pres Trump does better this time, maybe closer to 43%, but around 38% is what the typical RINO Republican presidential candidate gets (Romney, McCain, Bush 43). The patriots in MA simply get "outvoted" by the university and medical establishment crowds (NIMBYs) located inside of the I-495 beltway corridor. Unfortunately, it is spreading to the rest MA and the rest of New England. That is what happened to the Maine 1st district area. It is filled with leftists (a large number of NIMBY's from MA that moved into that area to escape what they destroyed, and only to bring their Demonrat policies with them.
Trump should locate in a state where the judiciary is not made up of Progressive fanatics who make any ruling required to inhibit Trump and his policies.
Trump Tower and NYC is his home. Florida is beautiful but you never quite get the climate (change of seasons) and vitality which you knew as a New Yorker.
NY will be brought back to what it used to be! A fantastic City to go see a show. It will be safe again. The illegals are gone day 1. Think about the 60's and how vibrant it was in NY. Everyone wanted to go. Just like Detroit was. We will be traveling freely everywhere. We have to think BIG. Be blessed. God sure LoVES us!!
Trump talked about spreading the Federal government agencies throughout the states in his first term. I keep praying he does this so that Democrats no longer have a stranglehold on southern MD and northern VA. Citizens in northern MD are conservative so we have to endure liberal nonsense because of Montgomery and Prince George's counties in southern MD.
There are things like: fraud, cheating, liberal voting, witch's spells (I am serious), lunatics, demon possessed individuals (assasins and murderers), influential and wealthy demonic people ($oro$ and son), and so much else trying to prevent a Trump victory, so πpleaseπ PRAY, humbly and earnestly. π
Only God can make this happen, in His great mercy.
You know, government is traditionally centrally located to the constituent, as it was when DC was founded. Look at most state capitals. How about St Louis?
I would love it if Trump ran his administration outside of Washington. People's president. Do it!!!
Best news (besides all of it) is getting rid of the state dept and Trump refusing to sign their BS rules and finance his own transition team outside of dc. π π.
Heβs already off to a great start! THIS is why we want to hire him!
Makes me think the no-income-tax thing might be real!
I work for a pro-Trump accountant and he doesn't believe it will really happen. I hate to get my hopes up, but can't seem to stop the dreaming.
Just kill the withholding process. God claims the first fruits as His own. The US Government grabs the first fruits before the taxpayer sees them. And so much more than God claimed. If the people are required to pony up the tax out of funds that pass through their hands the uproar will be glorious.
Agreed! As a sole proprietor, I pay in estimated taxes and let me tell you, it's a painful process! It makes me really angry when I think of the government waste and what those same dollars could do for my family. Citizens' voting would completely change if each citizen had to pay the government every week or two or quarter to fund Ukraine, prisoner sex changes, illegal immigrant housing while their own family struggles with groceries and household expenses.
Yes, as small business owners we did the exact same thing for years and understood that very few people get what it is like to feel taxation in real time instead of in withholdings.
Exactly, Dan! I've said that for years. If people had to actually pay at the end of the year, they would view things much differently. The slow, small cuts every week or two weeks doesn't have the same pain as the sword through the chest or mace across the head at the end of the year.
It is obvious, that is why the implemented "withholding" and also so that they could be cavalier with the constant flow of "income" into the treasury in the form of our taxes. Purposeful manipulation of the people. Those Dems and RINOs back when they introduced the withholding theft were smart in some ways back then, I'll give them that...
Excellent! Thank you all!
Someone once said taxes would be brought under control (or eliminated) if tax day was moved from April 15 to the day after Election Day!
Thanks, Donna! I'm going to add that one to my repertoire (usually forgetting the attribution).
Should have said the day BEFORE the election.
Thatβs how it used to be, as recently as theβ50s. People sent their checks to the Treasury every year.
Really?
Good Point! Excellent! The 'government' inverts the intended order head over heels. And another example of the state's insurrection against God and Scripture.
If they audit the Pentagon correctly it will happen
remember the $600 hammer the Defense Department ordered in the 1980s or the $640 toilet seat they commissioned? And what of the Spruce Goose that flew for a grand total of 30 seconds 77 years ago today costing $23 million then? The government and the Pentagon truly thinks money grows on trees!
Taxes on social security on wages you were already taxed on is just plain wrong and double taxation.
The question is, if presented, would it actually pass Congress. Highly doubtful and I would imagine Trump knows this. Politicians in an election year say all sorts of stuff...
Then it's time to do something about Congress. Income tax is unconstitutional and makes us slaves to our government. I grew up believing I was blessed because I was born in the freest country the world has ever known. I was deceived. I see my shackles now and it's time to take them off. If it can be done, it starts with Trump.
I can see the 16th Amendment being challenged with it going all the way to the Supreme Court after Trump takes office. Property taxes are especially unconstitutional because they are based on feudal European laws.
Property taxes are another thing that really get under my skin. You never truly own your property.
And, I forgot to add this: They use the property tax system to fleece the taxpayer and pay for the indoctrination of your own children (WE are funding our own demise) through the government run school systems, that you really don't have a say in how they are run. If you push back on insane curriculum, you are called every bad name in the book and are put on lists as enemies of "democracy" or some other sort of Orwellian name.
True, but with the exception of a few necessary and decent thing the federal government does, all of our taxes are used against us. The whole world hates us for being financial bullies and thieves, and warmongers misery exporters. Who signed up for that?
Absolute truth on the federal level. π―π―π―π―
all the millions of families who homeschool or otherwise pay for private education βare forced to pay school βtaxesβ to the very system they want dismantled or decreased ..since more kids are leaving public school - it is unfair. School tax should be illegal. as should annual real estate taxes βone sales tax when property transfers is enough!
Another thing is if we were not taxed as much, we could survive on one income and educate our own children. However it would be an issue for single parents and those who don't care for their children. Those can be helped by the community. We need to focus on strengthening families instead of breaking them down.
In Florida there are ways to get money allotted for each child and use it for other educational avenues.
Schools are wasteful with money and controlled. It needs a revamp.
My brother's property tax bill in northern Utah (not going to be specific here); 50% of the bill was for the School District (over $1500!). So, to your point - it's a sick feeling to know we are paying for the indoctrination of our children and the inevitable division/destruction it creates in families.
75% in NH
We do have the authority to not comply. We donβt need permission from any government.
Exactly GG. I've been of the mindset for a long time that the "queen" and now the "king" (the governmental apparatus) always own your property. You never truly own it; you still have to pay your "rent" every six months or yearly, depending on your state.
Poverty taxes...
Excellent, Lorita!
and they NEVER go down, long term.
I especially hate property taxes because I am terrified they are going to jack those through the roof in their plans to oust people from their homes and move them to 15 minute cities. That was my guess all along for how they would do it. That or natural disasters.
Jen,
They should at least abolish property taxes on senior citizensβ homes. A senior friend of mine had to sell her home when her beloved husband died because she couldnβt afford the property taxes and maintenance. Itβs so wrong to lose a loved one and then lose your home.
Happening in Maui, NC too?
My fear, too. πππππ
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There's a book named "The Law That Never Was" by a rancher using the nickname "Red" (his name is on the book but I never remembered it after reading from it.) He and his wife were offended enough by IRS demands for an accounting of charitable contributions that they paid someone to visit all 48 state archives and the National Archives to look up the complete record of both ends of the ratification process for each state. With a little bit of commentary! the content of the book is a copy of that complete record. (DuckDuckGo just gave me this link which I have not opened "https://thelawthatneverwas.com" and I remember the last name "Benson" from that search) Every one of the records was deficient (fraudulent) according to what my 1950s childhood schooling taught me about how such things work. Nonetheless, US Secretary of State, Philander T Knox (some parents have delightful prescience) duly reported that he had received the required ratifications and it was formally added to the Constitution as the 16th Amendment.)
GG, see my comment to Johnny-O.
We have opened our eyes and feel our shackles now but it is nothing new. Still, we are blessed in the US but no place on earth is safe from satan.
If we are free from the bondage of sin, we are free.
Johnny, the plan calls for elimination of corrupt congess poeple (the majority) and reconstituting congress, and they will pass it.
we need term limits for congress as much as we have for the President
The voters have to eliminate those people, and last I checked, the majority of them are still the ones on the ballots. So, yeah, a bill to eliminate income taxes ain't gonna happen, and I'd bet the farm on it.
Have you heard of the FairTax? Itβs a tax on consumption. www.fairtax.org
1000%. If done right, with the 16th Amendment eliminated and the guard rails put in place, so they can't just with a simple majority increase the rate, it would be a boon for the country and for freedom. And everyone has skin in the game, and "pays their fair share" to quote the leftist totalitarian's favorite thing to screech!!! Progressive tax on income is the worst thing for economic growth.
The Sixteenth Amendment was never lawfully by any state. I read the book tens of years ago and personally observed the discrepancies. What we need from the bottom is a club with a chapter in each state doing the search in their own state to gather the complete record of the ratification. Then sue to get the various certifications of their ratifications declared legally deficient. Another chapter needs to look up the other end of the process in the National Archives so the state chapters can include that data in their suits.
The collection work was done successfully a number of years ago and recorded in a book titled The Law That Never Was. That was before the web and crowdsourcing and his ire was directed at the center and none of his legal efforts went anywhere.
DuckDuckGo just gave me a URL of the same name (which I have not visited):
https://thelawthatneverwas.com/
Dan,
The gentleman that did all the work died in 2021 at age of 94. I plan to dive into the website this weekend. Here is the opening in memoriam at the top of the website:
During the early morning hours of May 5, 2021, the honorable man William J. Benson left our good company forever.
He was born March 30, 1927 in Harvey, Illinois. He'd just turned 94. A stalwart defender of American liberty, he never wavered in his commitment to hold government accountable for its misbehaviors. Over the years he assisted many in successful defenses against a cruel, illegitimate and tyrannical tax system; those who adhered to his careful guidance were exonerated of wrongdoing.
He leaves us a legacy difficult to fulfill. He was almost larger than life. His discoveries have shaped how we see the history of our nation.
Rest in peace, Bill. You've earned it.
Thank you Dan. I have always heard that but hadn't taken the time to research it. It was one of those that was simply 'decreed' by the progressives when it got close. I'll bet Elon would be on board with looking into this. He has a complete understanding on how the income tax has ruined this country. I'd be willing to join the club.
But the rich wouldn't have to pay their "fair share." And there wouldn't be tax credits for lower income. I can imagine the push back that would get.
Robyn: That's the point, every does pay their fair share. Using 21% as the tax rate for the Fair Tax on new goods as the example: If you can afford a $100,000 boat, you would pay $21,000 in taxes on that new purchase. If I can only afford a $10,000 boat, then I pay $2,100 in taxes on that new boat. You've paid a considerable more tax based on what you can afford than I did, so you and I would both be paying "our fair share". Not sure how the leftists can use the bogus 'fair share' talking point argument when looking at those numbers. But I'm sure they still would try!!... LOL! Common sense is an uncommon virtue with the communists/socialists.
I agree with you! But people who are used to getting several thousands for a tax refund, when they barely paid in any, would disagree with us. They won't notice much increase in their net pay, because not much is deducted. Maybe there could still be eic and/or child tax credits, through a different avenue?
Exactly: "refundable" tax credits, where people get MORE than they paid into the system... talk about a 'vote buying' scam.
With the Fair Tax, there is a monthly "prebate" payment that is based off of the published poverty level and the Fair Tax percentage amount that would be paid on that amount would be divided into 12 monthly prebate payments to the household. He uses a family of four household as the example. The book I have was written in 2006 so the numbers are based off of what things were at that time. The rebate is to offset taxes on household necessities. As written, anyone near the poverty level would be considerably much better off with the fair tax than the current system. Too much to write in a post here, but it makes things much better. No payroll or FDIC tax either because the Fair Tax replaces those taxes as well. I have to go back and re-read the book, it has been a number of years since I've studied it.
I have. Also, the flat tax. What we have now isnβt right.
The difficult part of this will be that tariffs will increase the cost of consumption. While, overall I think that's a good thing, it will impact lower income classes the most. They'll have to figure that out.
There will be pain, at first at least. But I think the tariffs will bring back American manufacturing, which would boost the economy further. Plus, it would give us purpose again. We used to make things. We can be that country again.
oh I get too excited even thinking about that...
Yep! Made in America!
After only 12,000 jobs added last month this should be music to the ears of the unions.
Very good posting today. Thank you.
Remember cheap Chinese made goods are being brought to this country by corporations that have sold out to the low cost and in the case of Nike and Levis, slave labor, and they happily put their name on the product and import into America, because of the "cost savings" they get in slave labor.
We tend to "blame China" or other countries, but it is actually "American" corporations that are the ones to blame. Stanley Tools for example closed the majority of their plants in CT and other states and now are just primarily an import company of cheaply made tools with their name on it. Yes, they supposedly "make" it in the other countries in "their" plant, but you don't think the CCP sees that as the CCP's plant. You better believe it. They are just running the plant; it is not really "theirs". THEY (Wall Street and the Bain Capitals of the world (Mitt Romney) and the useless CEOs sold out America, not the countries making things and shipping them over here.
I welcome Trump's tariff plan no matter how much we have to endure if it will make the USA independent and free once again.
And guess where most of the cost savings go? It isn't passed on to us.
Exactly. We get junk goods, and "they" get the profits for selling out their country.
100% !
Later Jay
Gary,
Youβre right. Also, anyone that is against slavery should embrace tariffs.
And βAppleβ products.
It isnβt just Apple that uses slave labor in Chinaβ¦
True, we are just listing some examples. Ones we know for sure are Nike, Levis, Apple, but there are others.
Yes, and on top of it, the massive gains made on their products are pocketed. We don't actually get cheap products from them - well, the quality is cheap, but they still cost a lot.
Tariffs will bring manufacturing back into the US. People who choose to buy something made overseas will indeed be choosing to pay the tariff. Half a century ago a Mercedes was worth paying the tariff for some people. Others were excited about their new Chevy, or Ford, or even Chrysler. Neither group of buyers considered the tariff as part of their decision.
Maybe then we will go back to buying things we need. instead of things we want, or think we want.
^^like... maybe, just maybe, people will again return their focus to what a life is worth and why we are here in the first place... to learn not to earn until we bury ourselves in debt and things we never needed in the first place.
Or just shopping for entertainment!
I am not an expert by any means, but Trump is going to fund the federal government the way it was funded before the 16th amendment was created. It will be something like the McKinley Tariff Act of 1890. Coincidentally, McKinley was assassinated after becoming president.
Then we need to pray a hedge of protection around him and his family.
Actually we need to pray that protection around the entire team. We know that RFKJR, Elon Musk are in their crosshairs.
Not So! Lower Income Classes will migrate to domestic products and not pay the tariffs.
Eventually, and maybe quickly, yes. But it won't happen immediately. It will also take a while for production in the US to be rebuilt.
Esau wanted instant gratification, Jacob planned for the future (fourteen years labor for a wife...). Proverbs has a little thing about grasshoppers and ants, "Go to the ant, thou sluggard."
Also, the old adage: Question: How do you eat an elephant? Answer: One bite at a time.
Also, if someone finds themselves a hundred pounds overweight for their height. They didn't get that way overnight. It likely took many years. So, for them to get back into down to a healthy weight/shape, it will take longer than it did to get to be overweight. I forget the timeframe, but I think it is twice or 3x longer. Anyway, you get the point.
Gary, my other half lives by that expression!
LOL! Excellent!! One of my favorite expressions!
Hopefully it will discourage overconsumption of cheap plastic Chinese products.
Yeah this is one of those things where neither Trump or anybody in the Trump circle has said this. It was just one NPR article that got all this this going. That said, pray it happens!
He said it himself on the Joe Rogan show.
I 100% agree with your boss, though consider how amazing it is that Trump even uttered the words!
One of the restrictions is that you cannot start planning until they give permission! Trump is working on it now so they'll be ready to hit the ground running. That's a start.
A good article about this choice: https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2024/10/19/profound-implications-trump-transition-team-likely-to-refuse-federal-assistance-and-transition-funding-if-president-trump-wins-election/
Yes! Especially the paragraphs describing how the G S A (yet another 3 letter agency!) released information in both the Mueller (whoops I mean Weissman) investigation and assisted in the MAL raid.
For those who donβt know the website, not one fact published has ever been disputed.
Indeed! The left has had years to plot against him! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TyR7q_FbcxA
Glenn Beck clarifies once again how the Democratic Party is most UNDEMOCRATIC and the ones to impose a dictatorship on us
Thank you for this link. I just finished watching it. Glenn has been the βWatchman on the Wallβ for years.
We need to listen!
Went to his rally in DC years ago with Sarah Palin. Not a scrap of trash left anywhere on the grounds.
He did? Thatβs awesome! When did he do this? Where did u get the info?
This is probably outside of any possible realm, but imagine, after DOGE gets done axing all sorts of departments, the remaining departments get spread out geographically. Department of Agriculture could move to Nebraska. Department of Defense should move to, say, San Saba Texas, CIA headquarters should move to Nome Alaska, etc...
cia headquarters to the Mariana Trench
i had Puerto Rico in mind...near the largest of the landfills
perfect!
lol, like and af
The Dept of Education into the closest dumpster.
I had a very interesting conversation with a school principal who thinks it needs to be eliminated. He brought that up which surprised me.
Fed Ed dictates every move the locals make with the blessing of our equally corrupt state departments of education.
Both exist for themselves- crass bureaucrats/educrats who havenβt educated one child. The siphon taxpayer $$$ & use it to keep their existence existing for the sake of existing.
Every $ bestowed upon the individual states (& on down to individual school systems) comes with HUGE STRINGS attached.
Many dictates conflict with local mores & belief systems. NO local control anymore.
Electronic records are kept on every child for life. Common Core ushered in Data Mining on a massive scale. Teachers are inundated with βpaper work,β checking off boxes, busywork, leaving limited time for genuine teaching.
We have SEL (Social Emotional Learning) which probes into personal info of children & seeks to cure what ails them. We have CRT (Critical Race Theory) which divides kids according to oppressors & oppressed. Kids just accept each other until adults mess with their minds. These programs are causing anxiety in many children then SEL, etc. swoop in to βhelpβ fix them. Right.
Sound familiar?
Cause a problem; then βfixβ it (their way).
A child psychologist told me his clinic load exponentially exploded when Common Core was implemented. Never had he seen so many anxious & disturbed kids. He & his wife removed their own school age children from public schools & recommended the same when I asked his advice about a friendβs grandchild. Her family were at wits end over her school system & what was going on; I consulted him as to where they could get help (he was located 3/4 across the country from them. I thought he could direct them to someone he know in their area. He ended up telling me the real solution is to leave the public school system).
TMI
Our education system is broken as far as truly educating our children. It only provides jobs all the way up the chain.
Nowhere in the Constitution does it authorize a Dept of Education. It was unconstitutional to begin with, so it "should" be easier to eliminate.
Homeschoolers know this. I knew.
And set that dumpster on fire. With a flamethrower.
Along with the evil, corrupt Ed. unions!
And the CFPB. It sounds good but is mainly a way to skim $ off the private sector.
Iβve been saying this for a year! The departments need to spread out and be in the places where they operate mostβ¦. Border security should be in TX or AZ, dept of interior in Montana, Wyoming, South Dakota, etc.
I reckon when work on the border wall is up and running, President Trump should take a page out of Hadrian's playbook, and build forts every five miles along the wall with military personal and heavy armaments. I'd be fine doing this on both south and north borders.
In Hadrian's day a day's travel was about 25 miles. We could legitimately put the forts a little farther apart.
Yep, we sure could Dan.
It sure would make a positive impact on these economies.
How about moving the UN 100 miles East!
Perfect! We can just eminent domain the land for an illegal alien processing station to send them back to their original countries. Sorry UN, we need this facility to process all of your people back to your respective countries. I think the estimation is over 160 plus countries with illegal alien representation that have come here...
Is 100 miles enough?
I think it gets them past the edge of the continental shelf!
Park them next to the Titanic.
That's the second best option, the first being total elimination. But yes if elimination not happening then do this
The UN is our enemy right on US soil. How stupid of us.
Instead of being consolidated in "Rome", that would make sense. The 'poor' lobbyists would have travel all over the country to buy their influence! LOL!
I think all unconstitutional useless bureaus should be relocated to the pits of hell where they came from.
I just realized an unexpected benefit of this: decreased lobbying.
How many power hungry people will respond to an job posting for a position in Lincoln Nebraska, or Nome Alaska, or San Saba Texas,...?
Not to mention the cost lobbying firms will have to manage by having offices all over the country.
what a fantastic idea. love it!
This exactly!
You should add your idea to the new website they created to get ideas from the American people.
https://forum.policiesforpeople.com/
Yes! In addition, the billions being sent overseas ends and Trump also confiscates funds from human traffickers and drug dealers (which he plans to do based on executive orders he wrote in his 1st term).
I have long been suggesting that one of the smallest changes to improve the mess would be to completely outlaw air conditioning in any structure within the DC beltway. No grandfather loophole.
Another tool is to remove phone service from government buildings. We already have tools to shut off cell service in an area, and wire service has always been easy to interrupt. This one just improves government efficiency disruptively.
Iβve thought we should do that in Florida. There will be fewer, but better, Floridians.
Sorry, that is absolutely insane!
I have lived in NYC in July (in my youth and teens) without air-conditioning and it was unpleasant but doable.
I have spent time in Greece in the summer without air-conditioning,..due to its dryness, the 90+ heat was doable and tolerable.
I live in South Florida now, and the heat and humidity factor is undoable without air conditioning. Not to mention how historically, and scientifically, working in heat makes workers unproductive as heck.
It just is not doable or tolerable in the south of the state.
Not doable in the
Panhandle either.
once I interviewed for a job in Pensacola and would agree.
It certainly IS doable to live in the south without air conditioning as I can personally attest to. I grew up on the coast of Florida and we didn't have air conditioning until I was a teenager. It was helpful to have an attic fan which pulled air through open windows. I do remember in school my clothing sticking to the varnish on the desk seat when I would go to stand up due to the heat melting the varnish. Doable, but certainly not ideal!!
Iβve read beforeβ¦this idea of spreading out across the country guvmint agencies. Brilliant! Then perhaps these bureaucrats will be more accountable to real people.
In DC they are ALL together at same parties, meetings, clubsβ¦. no wonder The Swamp came into existence.
Nome Alaska! Brilliant, that way they can keep a close eye to their archenemy Russia!
I like what you're saying!!!
The Treasury had moved to Reno, Nevada a few years ago. I think you are right Neil.
lol, like and agree
I'm going to strongly recommend we finish the job of getting him into the White House before we start thinking about all of the possibilities.
YOU MUST GO VOTE IN SPITE OF EVERYTHING YOU ARE ABOUT TO READ! If you can vote in person on Tuesday do so, bring enough food and water that you can comfortably stay in line, but whatever you do, do not let anyone remove you from the line. If you have no choice but to vote early be prepared for something similar to this process which I suffered through.
I "voted" yesterday. I say "voted" because I went to the County Recorders office and told them I wanted to vote. After giving the clerk my photo ID Driver's license and several minutes, she came back and gave me a "blank" ballot - except for the unreadable computer code at the top. I went to one of the poll stations and made all my selections and had the machine print my ballot. After printing it, I checked the human readable portion of it and verified it had all my selections - it did. Of course I have no idea if the additional machine language which was also printed after "voting" - and is what the tabulator will read for my votes, accurately represented my vote - presumably with the same selections as I made, but who knows?
Anyhow, following the instructions from the clerk, now I had to take and FOLD the ballot twice to get it into the small envelope they gave me. I did NOT get to put it into a tabulation machine where my vote would be immediately registered. I then signed the envelope and put the ballot in their ballot box. She told me the ballot box would be emptied that night and the ballot removed from the envelope and sent to elections for counting in the next day or two!!!!
So, now I'm left wondering what will become of my folded ballot? Will it run through a tabulation machine or fail due to the folds and go to adjudication where they will vote for me? Will it be replaced by a pristine unfolded ballot with their choices somewhere during the move from recorders office to elections office?
Bottom line is I have no idea if my vote selections were tabulated or will ever be tabulated. I have no idea if the computer code at the top of my ballot equaled the human readable portion of the ballot.
But I went and "voted", mostly to see the process and report on it, and mostly to ensure they didn't prevent me from voting somehow on Tuesday.
I feel sick about it. I'm praying for divine intervention.
YOU MUST GO VOTE IN SPITE OF EVERYTHING I JUST WROTE!
If we get divine intervention and somehow win this s_Election, we must remove mail in balloting and programmable machines FOREVER from our elections.
We don't have early voting, only election day voting, unless you have a legitimate absentee ballot requirement (military service, out of the country, etc.). 100% on removing the machines and "vote by mail".
We need paper ballots, proper identification with voter against voter checklist with signature verification, election day in person voting unless legitimate absentee required (military service, etc.), hand counts, ballot preservation for a 10 year period, mandatory voter checklist certification to eliminate dead people voting, illegals, etc. also, make Federal Election Day a national holiday and/or make it a two day evolution. Simple. Let's Make Election Results Trustworthy Again!
100%
Later Jay
Im in Arizona, where election fraud is rampant. Where are you, Gary? What machines do they use to "process" (change) your vote?
And remember this, their stealing our election here, affects your outcome too, regardless of how pristine your process may or may not be.
Somewhere (here?) I recently read that our election need TWO things to be trustworthy: 1. Is a safe, verifiable election process. 2. Is public BELIEF that the process is safe and verifiable.
If either of those variables is absent, the system isn't working.
100% agree. The system is not working.
I did early voting for the first time ever on Wednesday. Stood in line for almost 3 hours.
This morning I went with my wife to repeat the process.
In Oklahoma, we get a paper ballot with little boxes out beside each candidate / question. You fill the chosen box in with ink, then after your entire ballot is complete, feed it into an electronic machine that records the votes and stores the ballot.
If any marks are made outside the boxes, or you try to write in a candidate, or try to vote for more than one candidate per election, the ballot is automatically voided and spat back to you.
No receipt is given to you so you just have to trust that it was tabulated correctly.
Same for Hellinois.
So the part of your process where you vote on paper is legit, your problem is letting the machines count it. LIkely, you also have no opportunity to do a manual hand count to verify the machines? See, I would be okay with the machines doing a count as long as a 100% hand count was also accomplished. But here in AZ the courts (yes the courts not the legislature) has ruled that only 2% of 5 races can be hand counted!! It's unbelievable and it happened right here in Cochise when a judge was sent here from Pima, a corrupt son of a bitch by the name of Mcginley who totally misinterpreted what it says in the legislation, which is that a minimum of 2% must be checked. Which means you could check all the way up to 100%. But he "interpreted" it differently and was not challenged by the county supervisors. They just fell in line.
Yep. We should have a counting verification process for the machines. Maybe not even for each machine but a random selection.
A poll official counts while someone from each party observes. Everyone has to certify under penalty of perjury that the counts matched the machines exactly.
If a machine has a mismatch in the counts, those ballots would be counted again and the totals taken from the hand count.
And at that point, all machines at that polling location would have to be hand counted.
I mostly agree Fred. But I believe the only way you can have full certainty is to hand count 100% of the ballots and every race on every ballot. Beside the fact that the outcomes are so damned important as they determine how our lives (freedom, liberty, pursuit of happiness, self determination) will be in our counties, state, and country, it would allow us to understand with complete certainty whether the machines are properly counting the vote. That they will not let us hand count to verify the machine count tells you everything.
Was just about to add: from time to time - happened with a race for Tulsa mayor just a couple months ago - a candidate will ask for a hand recount.
In which case the recount always is within one or maybe two votes, and usually the exact same. I remember thinking in this case that it was a waste of time & money. And it was.
I get the reason and recent history with a corrupt process in AZ though.
The problem is with programmable machines, and these machines are connected to the network, or which can bridge the air gap with thumb drives, can give you any outcome you want. So maybe for the Mayor of Tulsa, they ran the system with no algorithms, ran it straight and clean, in order to create a sense within the electorate the machines can be trusted for other more important elections like this one coming up. As long as they are programmable as all these are, you must never assume that because one election was clean, therefore all elections are. You just can't do that, that's why the machines must go, mail in ballots must go and everything returned to a certifiable and verifiable process.
The Tulsa mayoral race was just the most recent example. But I completely agree. If weβre gonna use electronic tabulator machines, there must be strict manual auditing built in to the process.
Anything else leaves the question in the votersβ minds, and destroys the trust that a one-man-one-vote system requires.
As I said elsewhere yesterday, we absolutely need a constitutional amendment coupled with federal legislation that spells out the minimum actions necessary for a state to effect these goals.
I don't think it is pristine at all Daniel. I am just saying that I haven't had the opportunity to vote yet (I would have voted early in person, if we had that option - which I never have, but President Trump encouraged everyone to vote early and I would have done it this year), because we do not have early voting (standard in person or mail in) in NH. Our town is paper ballots and hand count. I always assist with the count to keep an eye on things too... I don't even trust that system when it comes to the Dems.
Larger towns do unfortunately have the Dominion and other vote "counting" machines, so I am under no illusion that they will not be stealing NH and others like they did in 2004, 2016, 2020, and frankly, I believe they always do.
I followed closely all the cheating systems that Mike Lindell, 2000 Mules (Dinesh D'Souza) and all the battles that Kari Lake, Mark Finchem and others did in AZ and the other "swing" states.
The unconstitutional ways (state supreme courts decisions in PA, consent decrees in GA, secretaries of states making their own decisions, illegal drop boxes in WI) in states like (AZ, WI, GA, PA to name a few) that changed their voting mechanics without the state legislatures doing it, as directed by Article 1, Section 4 of the US Constitution. That should have been enough to reset the election, but the cowardly supreme court and Judas Pence refused to acknowledge reality.
Believe me, we are in this fight for the Republic together against the evil one and his minions.
Hi Gary,
Just to be clear, I wasn't knocking your system with my pristine comment. I was merely saying that even if you system was pristine-ly perfect, the fact that mine is full of fraud will allow the criminals to steal the election from both of us the way they have set it up with 7 "swing states" that determine the election for all 50. And if fucking pisses me off.
I also agree with you that if there are machines involved in counting the vote, then they will be used to achieve the outcome they want, and then will use the media to proclaim everything was perfect and corrupt judges to rule against anyone who should dare challenge the result.
When we lose this s_Election, we are going to need another shot heard around the world, another Concorde and Lexington to set the country back on course.
Here in Arizona they did the change to machines at County level to make it appear it was each county's choice to do it. But they didn't follow the Constitution of AZ which requires 15% of the electorate to approve the Initiative, put it on a ballot and have everyone vote (we hadn't realized at the time the initiative process required 15% of us to approve it before it would go on an election ballot - and of course none of those who did were talking because everyone was going to make a lot of money and/or stay in power over us). The 3 supervisors and our corrupt elections director at the time just forced it down our throats. It's likely they all got paid enormous sums to do it.
Then of course the pLandemic allowed them to institute mass mail in voting (whole sale ballot fraud) to complete their system just in time for the the 2020 election. Done under the guise of an emergency, again the electorate were never given the choice of wanting it or not.
Don't even get me started on Benedict Pence.
Yes, we are in it together, I'm just not sure how we coalesce into a force that can reckon with the problem?
Daniel, I got to vote my absentee ballot in-person (early voting in MI) and put the ballot in the tabulator which registered a green check mark on the screen.
Does that mean it will be counted the way I voted? No, it does not.
BUT as even Seth Keshel says (if you know who he is), that early voting is as much or more about the narrative war against our deceitful opponents' narratives, as it is about anything else.
He is going to vote on election day, but does understand why some would vote early and bank their vote.
I believe there is value in all of us voting by any (legal) means.
No bemoaning we didn't 'get out the vote.'
VOTE. VOTE. VOTE!
I agree we have to go "vote".
But they are still going to steal it with massive mail in ballot fraud and if that is not enough, then brute force number changing by the s_Election machines.
The real issue is what are Americans going to do about it when we are told Kakala won, the Senate is dem majority and the House is dem majority?
I hope we are ready to FIGHT! FIGHT! FIGHT!
PS, yes, I do know Seth, have spoken with him face to face. He's a good guy, I'd say a Patriot, but really hasn't been able to do much about ending the fraud, he has at least been able to show people how the fraud was done.
Seth is not your best resource. Just sayin'.
Susan, do you know him personally (not asking to be antagonistic)?
I know him not from time in the Army -we were in at different times - but only as someone who thoughtfully put forward the case for how our elections are stolen.
He is a former Army Military Intelligence Captain. Very good at analysis of both what happened in an event and what is about to happen based on understanding how the enemy is equipped, manned and how they operate as well as historical records. His presentations are detailed and documented. The only problem is that the courts blocked every case to present the evidence. Of course the media says there were something like 60 challenges, all thrown out! But not thrown out on merit, only on standing or laches (another bullshit way of saying you should have brought the case before the election.) Complete bullshit.
Great comment, thank you.
I'd say you were in Massachusetts...except that you had to present your ID.
*sigh*
Massachusetts, once one of the greatest States in the union, in fact, the Revolutionary War began here at Concord and Lexington. Oh Massachusetts, what happened to thee?
I know!!!! Lets ask Pocohontas Warren? Ed Markey? Bruce Springsteen? What happened?!
Do most people in Mass actually agree with these fools and others like them? Or do they just not realize they have no say in the s_Elections?
I think they might, or they don't vote. I bet Pres Trump does better this time, maybe closer to 43%, but around 38% is what the typical RINO Republican presidential candidate gets (Romney, McCain, Bush 43). The patriots in MA simply get "outvoted" by the university and medical establishment crowds (NIMBYs) located inside of the I-495 beltway corridor. Unfortunately, it is spreading to the rest MA and the rest of New England. That is what happened to the Maine 1st district area. It is filled with leftists (a large number of NIMBY's from MA that moved into that area to escape what they destroyed, and only to bring their Demonrat policies with them.
Would be nice if he could move his Cabinet out of Washington, say Florida maybe or Texas.
Agree! Why the cesspool NY?
Trump should locate in a state where the judiciary is not made up of Progressive fanatics who make any ruling required to inhibit Trump and his policies.
Trump Tower and NYC is his home. Florida is beautiful but you never quite get the climate (change of seasons) and vitality which you knew as a New Yorker.
NY will be brought back to what it used to be! A fantastic City to go see a show. It will be safe again. The illegals are gone day 1. Think about the 60's and how vibrant it was in NY. Everyone wanted to go. Just like Detroit was. We will be traveling freely everywhere. We have to think BIG. Be blessed. God sure LoVES us!!
Yuma, AZ! 120Β°+ in the summer.
Trump talked about spreading the Federal government agencies throughout the states in his first term. I keep praying he does this so that Democrats no longer have a stranglehold on southern MD and northern VA. Citizens in northern MD are conservative so we have to endure liberal nonsense because of Montgomery and Prince George's counties in southern MD.
As a Virginian , I sure like that idea.
I believe "The Plan" calls for exactly that. Seat of Government elsewhere (Texas) and Treasury in Reno.
But in New York?!?
Push the UN off the island.
In Flyovers country!
It is not over, until it is over. π³
There are things like: fraud, cheating, liberal voting, witch's spells (I am serious), lunatics, demon possessed individuals (assasins and murderers), influential and wealthy demonic people ($oro$ and son), and so much else trying to prevent a Trump victory, so πpleaseπ PRAY, humbly and earnestly. π
Only God can make this happen, in His great mercy.
Amen, Angela! You are spot on. π―π―π―π―
I have been thinking the exact same thing !!!!!!! Get out of that corrupt climate!
47 likes, I want to leave it alone and reply your 48th like! God Bless All
You know, government is traditionally centrally located to the constituent, as it was when DC was founded. Look at most state capitals. How about St Louis?
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