Good luck in court.
If Ukraine is indeed granted entry to NATO...you are right Jeff - this spells Trouble, with a capital "T".
It is a 'throwing down of the Gauntlet' type of move. AND, they know it.
AND...........they wanted it.
Russia is legitimately doing bad, evil stuff here. Trump recognized them as a major threat to European peace and he was right. People have just gotten used to democrats blaming Russia for everything (falsely). When they actually do something evil it gets drowned out like tne boy who cried wolf
Have you decided to get your Sputnik shot yet? Developed and mandated by Vladimir himself.
Should we talk about the hospital that Ukraine shelled, and tried to blame on Russia? Shall we discuss Ukraine forces shooting Ukrainians trying to flee? Shall we discuss Ukraine shelling the nuclear plant and trying to palm it off as the Russians?
There is pretty much nothing coming out from either Ukraine or the US that is even halfway believable. Perhaps that has something to do with Zelenskyy having seized all media, at the same time other political parties were outlawed, and their leaders arrested, and partly because our legacy media is as completely and utterly useless as anything other than a propaganda machine.
To put not too fine a point on it, I ain't buying the BS you're selling...
No, Ukraine did not shell a hospital. On the contrary, Russia did hit a children's hospital early on in the war.
Ukrainians aren't shoot folks forced to flee. But Russians are.
And Russians are the ones using the ZNPP as a staging ground and parking vehicles and troops inside the plant structures. And also firing from it. When the IAE inspectors came to the ZNPP
You don't have to buy what I'm selling. In fact, I prefer you don't.
But when Russia states it "abandoned Kherson and Luhanks to Ukraine" as a a "good will gesture", I called it first.
The past 3 weeks has seen the largest gains for Ukraine since the war began. All gains since June or May have been reversed. Kharkiv is free. Ukrainians are using western style tactics and seized Kupyansk in days. Lyman fell and was a massacre for the russians-look at telegram. Dozens of smashed convoys fleeing the city. Now the Ukrainians are at the gates of Kremmina and panic is over sweeping the Russians.
The Ukrainians are doing fantastic.
And no, Zelensky has not outlawed all media. Nor has he outlawed other political parties.
Feel free to read what the Russian MOD puts out and the russian mil bloggers. They are despondent and depressed right now. I follow them also :).
Their answer would likely be that they were responding to being shot at.
In this scenario, it comes down to who is more believable. Given the situation that we created/helped create, the level of continued/continuing corruption of both Ukraine and the US, and the amount of outright lies and propaganda put forth by not only Ukraine, but the US, NATO. and the EU, the result is that their actions give Russia a credibility that they would not have otherwise. That's sheer incompetence, or hubris, or both, and that results in pretty much any garbage that is expelled from their pie holes being completely or mostly unbelievable.
Russia claims that there would not be a mobilization. Once their professional army was chewed up and the began to run out of men from Luhansk and Donetsk to snatch they started a "partial mobilization of 300k men". On the Russian MOD draft order paragraph 7 was missing. When asked why Shoigu stated it was a secret and referred to the number of men being drafted. Of course, that was already announced-300k, so that makes no sense. In reality it's going to be about 1.2 million and it's not only previously military, but guys who have never been in the military to begin with and even some with major health defects,
The current record is 4 days from Draft to capture courtesy of some poor bastard from Kursk oblast.
Russia has zero credibility at this point. They still claim they withdrew from kharkuv as a strategic withdrawal, yet the hundreds of tanks billions of rounds, hundreds of APCs, and hundreds of Artillery pieces and armored vehicles captured prove that's a lie.
You either have no clue other than what you have been spoon-fed, or you're simply trying to be misleading. In my book, that means that you are either a tool, or a tool for the government, neither of which is commendable. I have no desire to waste time with the likes of you.
This statement is devoid of all the history that lead to that action. History, actions, consequences, and context matter. Try again. But please start AT LEAST with the 2014 coup in Ukraine that was engineered by our lovely CIA.
Hard to believe a C&C reader has this little understanding of global events and their repercussions. But, yes, U.S. good, Ukraine good, NATO good, UN good, Russia bad!
True. But technically, ALL OF THIS goes back to Rhodes in England pre-1900. All of it ties together, same families/businesses/cartels. Even the same basic control/eugenics/world domination plans. All of the "great" organizations were created to further those purposes... CFR, UN, WEF...
Decades of conspiracies and long-term theories all coming to a head right now. Interesting times. Fascinating, if you live through it...
And the Ukrainians themselves were not committing mass war crimes on their own citizens prior to the Russian invasion? Or is there some sort of magic threshold number a nation has to surpass before it's considered a crime?
It’s my understanding and there are news reports that jwhat happened is after the people from the Eastern part of Ukraine formed “self-proclaimed Republic of Donbas”, in response the Ukrainian gvnmt launched a military operation in that region. What I don’t understand is these people are called “separatists” whatever it means but from what I could tell A LOT of them are just regular civilians who suffered from shelling in that area. Reports from years ago say that thousands of people died as a result of those clashes. They had to arm themselves to protect themselves. Some were small business owners and just regular civilians. We could argue that Putin used this situation to add fuel to the fire but after analyzing this whole situation it almost looks like it started as a civil war in this region where ethnic Russian population resides although they happen to be Ukrainian citizens, they hold deeply pro- Russian views and are/were dissatisfied with their government, especially during former President’s Poroshenko and Turchinov years where they’d say to people from this region, “our kids will go to school and you and your kids will spend time in the basements”. I have Ukrainian friends and I’m deeply sorry for what they are going through and all the innocent lives lost but these are just regular people vs their gvnmt and whatever it’s doing and something doesn’t add up in the story that we hear. This didn’t start in February 2022. Also, after seeing a link that Jeff provided how every country uses propaganda on its population I know both sides use propaganda, especially during war. I think there are so many unanswered questions and it’s hard to know what’s really going on but not everything is the way it seems.
There were oblasts that voted to break away from the 'newly installed' government, an installation that was overseen and run at least in part by the CIA. Those places have been shelled on a regular basis by the new 'government' in retaliation, causing tens of thousands of deaths, and I don't know how many casualties. None of this has mattered to our government, who has used Ukraine as a major money-laundering point, as well as establishing dozens of internationally illegal bioweapons labs on Russia's doorstep, which could be seen as a major concern to them.
None of which is offered as 'justification', but it is curious that such is ALWAYS ignored and overlooked by those who seem to want others to only see one side of the situation. Well, not really curious at all, but certainly telling...
Considering that many of the casualties since Russia actually moved in have come from Ukrainian forces shelling their own people to blame it on Russians, I seriously doubt that your claim it correct.
https://youtu.be/V9Dk2emDU0o I found this video to further support my point. Footage was done in Crimea. What is going to happen in the country when some parts of the population hold pro-Ukrainian protests and some hold pro -Russian? It’s crazy. These areas had troubling events that started a long time ago. I’m very grateful for the way the United States functions where different states can have their own legislation so population doesn’t have to suffer under the same legislation that CA currently enacted for example. The founding fathers were smart to design it that way and to me this is the best way the government can function. Of course it’s a different story when it comes to issues of national security, etc. but this is really the best form of government.
Look into the last 100 yrs of the different regions of Ukraine. What you find will make the whole thing make a lot more sense, and does NOT fit with the narrative.
https://search.brave.com/search?q=Holodomor - Stalin... Holodomor, man-made famine that convulsed the Soviet republic of Ukraine from 1932 to 1933, peaking in the late spring of 1933.
Good luck in court.
If Ukraine is indeed granted entry to NATO...you are right Jeff - this spells Trouble, with a capital "T".
It is a 'throwing down of the Gauntlet' type of move. AND, they know it.
AND...........they wanted it.
Everyone needs to calm down.
Z ain't getting in NATO and he knows it.
This is just a play for more cash.
His ole lady needs furniture for their new 8 million dollar pad.
So far 1/3rd of the members support tne entry into nato and it’s not close to done yet.
How does getting into nato mean cash?
It means protection.
Next he will say if you won't protect me give me mo mo mo money
I’m still laughing over the Moskva getting sunk.
Putin lost his Black Sea flagship to a nation
Without a navy.
Me as well.
I expected some sort of big counter.
But like I said Russia is no threat.
Russia is indeed a threat. If they weren't all of Nato wouldn't be sending aid Ukraine's way.
The entire point of Nato was to stop Russia.
All Russia had to do was not invade and murder it's neighbors, pretty simple.
Russia Russia Russia
Russia is legitimately doing bad, evil stuff here. Trump recognized them as a major threat to European peace and he was right. People have just gotten used to democrats blaming Russia for everything (falsely). When they actually do something evil it gets drowned out like tne boy who cried wolf
Have you decided to get your Sputnik shot yet? Developed and mandated by Vladimir himself.
I will be blunt so you can stop beating a dead horse.
I don't give two craps about Ukraine other than the amount of money that the oligarchs are gobbling up of us tax dollars.
Cut off Ukraine.
What Oligarchs?
We aren't supplying the Russian Army and Vlad the Vaccinator.
Europe and the USA care which matters. A free Ukraine benefits everyone, as does a broken and defeated Russia.
Our allies agree, too.
With the aid sent to Ukraine we’ve gotten a bargain.
The Russian ability to make war has been devastated.
You must be under the impression that Russia was a threat.
I heard they stole the election from HRC.
Russia is a threat.
Trump said so too.
The only person who stole the election from
Hillary was trump.
And thank goodness he did.
Russia could have avoided this by not invading their neighbor and committing mass war crimes.
The Donbas has been getting shelled regularly since 2014. Since it is Ukraine committing that 'war crime', most people pretend it never happened.
Yeah, yeah, I already know: 'that's different'.
Except it's not..
Nice try... smh
Should we discuss the water treatment facility in donbass russia bombed?
It’s not a war crime to shoot back at someone shooting at you.
Why did russia try to seize Kyiv if tnis was only about donbass? Why Kherson?
Should we talk about the hospital that Ukraine shelled, and tried to blame on Russia? Shall we discuss Ukraine forces shooting Ukrainians trying to flee? Shall we discuss Ukraine shelling the nuclear plant and trying to palm it off as the Russians?
There is pretty much nothing coming out from either Ukraine or the US that is even halfway believable. Perhaps that has something to do with Zelenskyy having seized all media, at the same time other political parties were outlawed, and their leaders arrested, and partly because our legacy media is as completely and utterly useless as anything other than a propaganda machine.
To put not too fine a point on it, I ain't buying the BS you're selling...
Couple things:
No, Ukraine did not shell a hospital. On the contrary, Russia did hit a children's hospital early on in the war.
Ukrainians aren't shoot folks forced to flee. But Russians are.
And Russians are the ones using the ZNPP as a staging ground and parking vehicles and troops inside the plant structures. And also firing from it. When the IAE inspectors came to the ZNPP
You don't have to buy what I'm selling. In fact, I prefer you don't.
But when Russia states it "abandoned Kherson and Luhanks to Ukraine" as a a "good will gesture", I called it first.
The past 3 weeks has seen the largest gains for Ukraine since the war began. All gains since June or May have been reversed. Kharkiv is free. Ukrainians are using western style tactics and seized Kupyansk in days. Lyman fell and was a massacre for the russians-look at telegram. Dozens of smashed convoys fleeing the city. Now the Ukrainians are at the gates of Kremmina and panic is over sweeping the Russians.
The Ukrainians are doing fantastic.
And no, Zelensky has not outlawed all media. Nor has he outlawed other political parties.
Feel free to read what the Russian MOD puts out and the russian mil bloggers. They are despondent and depressed right now. I follow them also :).
Since Russia and their DPR and LPR proxies were shooting, what did you expect? Ignore someone shooting at you?
Their answer would likely be that they were responding to being shot at.
In this scenario, it comes down to who is more believable. Given the situation that we created/helped create, the level of continued/continuing corruption of both Ukraine and the US, and the amount of outright lies and propaganda put forth by not only Ukraine, but the US, NATO. and the EU, the result is that their actions give Russia a credibility that they would not have otherwise. That's sheer incompetence, or hubris, or both, and that results in pretty much any garbage that is expelled from their pie holes being completely or mostly unbelievable.
Russia claims that there would not be a mobilization. Once their professional army was chewed up and the began to run out of men from Luhansk and Donetsk to snatch they started a "partial mobilization of 300k men". On the Russian MOD draft order paragraph 7 was missing. When asked why Shoigu stated it was a secret and referred to the number of men being drafted. Of course, that was already announced-300k, so that makes no sense. In reality it's going to be about 1.2 million and it's not only previously military, but guys who have never been in the military to begin with and even some with major health defects,
The current record is 4 days from Draft to capture courtesy of some poor bastard from Kursk oblast.
Russia has zero credibility at this point. They still claim they withdrew from kharkuv as a strategic withdrawal, yet the hundreds of tanks billions of rounds, hundreds of APCs, and hundreds of Artillery pieces and armored vehicles captured prove that's a lie.
Where is Russia more credible, again?
Since it was Russia that initiated the conflict and also broke the agreement their word is shot.
Most ceasefire violations came from the Russian lines.
Why would Ukraine want to Join nato?
See the current conflict.
"Broke the agreement"? You mean, like, Minsk II?
You either have no clue other than what you have been spoon-fed, or you're simply trying to be misleading. In my book, that means that you are either a tool, or a tool for the government, neither of which is commendable. I have no desire to waste time with the likes of you.
Good day.
This statement is devoid of all the history that lead to that action. History, actions, consequences, and context matter. Try again. But please start AT LEAST with the 2014 coup in Ukraine that was engineered by our lovely CIA.
Hard to believe a C&C reader has this little understanding of global events and their repercussions. But, yes, U.S. good, Ukraine good, NATO good, UN good, Russia bad!
It actually goes back to the 1900s, not 2014.
What did Moscow do to Ukraine in 1932-1933?
True. But technically, ALL OF THIS goes back to Rhodes in England pre-1900. All of it ties together, same families/businesses/cartels. Even the same basic control/eugenics/world domination plans. All of the "great" organizations were created to further those purposes... CFR, UN, WEF...
Decades of conspiracies and long-term theories all coming to a head right now. Interesting times. Fascinating, if you live through it...
And the Ukrainians themselves were not committing mass war crimes on their own citizens prior to the Russian invasion? Or is there some sort of magic threshold number a nation has to surpass before it's considered a crime?
It’s my understanding and there are news reports that jwhat happened is after the people from the Eastern part of Ukraine formed “self-proclaimed Republic of Donbas”, in response the Ukrainian gvnmt launched a military operation in that region. What I don’t understand is these people are called “separatists” whatever it means but from what I could tell A LOT of them are just regular civilians who suffered from shelling in that area. Reports from years ago say that thousands of people died as a result of those clashes. They had to arm themselves to protect themselves. Some were small business owners and just regular civilians. We could argue that Putin used this situation to add fuel to the fire but after analyzing this whole situation it almost looks like it started as a civil war in this region where ethnic Russian population resides although they happen to be Ukrainian citizens, they hold deeply pro- Russian views and are/were dissatisfied with their government, especially during former President’s Poroshenko and Turchinov years where they’d say to people from this region, “our kids will go to school and you and your kids will spend time in the basements”. I have Ukrainian friends and I’m deeply sorry for what they are going through and all the innocent lives lost but these are just regular people vs their gvnmt and whatever it’s doing and something doesn’t add up in the story that we hear. This didn’t start in February 2022. Also, after seeing a link that Jeff provided how every country uses propaganda on its population I know both sides use propaganda, especially during war. I think there are so many unanswered questions and it’s hard to know what’s really going on but not everything is the way it seems.
There were oblasts that voted to break away from the 'newly installed' government, an installation that was overseen and run at least in part by the CIA. Those places have been shelled on a regular basis by the new 'government' in retaliation, causing tens of thousands of deaths, and I don't know how many casualties. None of this has mattered to our government, who has used Ukraine as a major money-laundering point, as well as establishing dozens of internationally illegal bioweapons labs on Russia's doorstep, which could be seen as a major concern to them.
None of which is offered as 'justification', but it is curious that such is ALWAYS ignored and overlooked by those who seem to want others to only see one side of the situation. Well, not really curious at all, but certainly telling...
The oblasts voted to “break away” in a Russian “referendum”?
I would also like you to know the 2020 elections were the most secure ever.
Why are Russians running away from their posts and fleeing in Luhansk and Kherson?
This was never about donbass.
Russia has killed more of the Donetsk and Luhansk folks than Ukraine ever did.
Which 2020 elections were more secure: Those in Ukraine or those in the USA? HA.
Considering that many of the casualties since Russia actually moved in have come from Ukrainian forces shelling their own people to blame it on Russians, I seriously doubt that your claim it correct.
Who said it was "a Russian referendum"...?
“Shelling their own people”
Like the DPR/LPR who have been shooting at Ukraine?
Just saying
Who ran the referendums?
The Russian army and Wagner.
More people from donbass have died because of russias direct actions than from Ukrainian shelling.
Every war starts with a lie. The rothchilds funded both sides of WWI to sell arms. Follow the money.
People supporting the Biden regime's war on Russia further enable Biden's war on the Purebloods. Sad.
Russia started the war, just a reminder.
Natos aid to Ukraine would become unecessary if Russia went back to the 1994 borders which it agreed to
NATO agreed to not have NATO countries bordering Russia. So really NATO started it.
Nato never agreed to that.
Russia did sign an agreement to not invade Ukraine.
Look how that turned up.
Can you point me out to where this signed document is?
Why would Ukraine want to join nato?
https://youtu.be/V9Dk2emDU0o I found this video to further support my point. Footage was done in Crimea. What is going to happen in the country when some parts of the population hold pro-Ukrainian protests and some hold pro -Russian? It’s crazy. These areas had troubling events that started a long time ago. I’m very grateful for the way the United States functions where different states can have their own legislation so population doesn’t have to suffer under the same legislation that CA currently enacted for example. The founding fathers were smart to design it that way and to me this is the best way the government can function. Of course it’s a different story when it comes to issues of national security, etc. but this is really the best form of government.
Look into the last 100 yrs of the different regions of Ukraine. What you find will make the whole thing make a lot more sense, and does NOT fit with the narrative.
What happened in ukriane in 1932-1933?
https://search.brave.com/search?q=Holodomor - Stalin... Holodomor, man-made famine that convulsed the Soviet republic of Ukraine from 1932 to 1933, peaking in the late spring of 1933.
Why stop there?
https://corbettreport.substack.com/p/the-ukraine-crisis-what-you-need