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Diana's avatar

I don’t see why trump is doubling down on vaccines. I was watching Brianne Dressin on Americas thought leaders and the fact that trump can sit there and deny the crime against humanity and is expecting my vote I don’t know I just don’t know Bc if he created the poison vaccines once and gave immunity trump can do it again and then we are once again all fighting a mandate to take poison. I don’t know Jeff I just don’t know. We should have let covid spread and early treatment should have been the way to get thru. Trump is good friends with the family started Johnson and Johnson maybe he is just being loyal to his friends or trump invested in moderna Phizer etc.

Trump went with the hardest solution to solve the problem instead of finding a therapeutic for something related to the common cold.

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Cyn's avatar

I think the point Jeff is proposing is that now that the deed is done and Trump knows it was a scam, of which he was also played by his “trusted scientific advisors”, he is now taking the smart route of silence to help take the criminals down and not give them himself as a scapegoat to further distract from their misdeeds.

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daiva's avatar

Oh sure it *must* be some 5D chess, a genius do genius 🙃

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Roger Beal's avatar

If it is not "5D chess", it is indeed a good tactic. Go back and re-read Jeff's reasoning; it is spot-on.

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J Boss's avatar

Maybe. It's a good hypothesis that can't be disproven at this point. But I've been at this game for more than two decades. I'll reserve my enthusiastic support and continue to consider alternatives until I get some corroborating evidence. And I'll continue to consider alternatives and revise conclusions until I'm "pushing daisies" (thanks to the poster for that). The facts that reveal the truth don't often surface quickly, and some missing ones can completely overturn the apple cart.

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daiva's avatar

*gospel 😝

ETA to clarify: Ever heard of circumstantial gain? 😇

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mimi's avatar

Considering everything, it's not impossible that Trump is getting paid for that nonsense. Anyhow, it's not going to get him a lot of support.

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Thoughtful's avatar

If you do just the smallest amount of historical digging (see Whitney Webb's "One Nation Under Blackmail"), you will find enough evidence that Trump knew and went along with the pre-COVID planning (i.e. EOs and patents and pharma funding back to 2013 that continued during his four year term), launch and response. His silence now is only to avoid jail time if he can (continue to) manage it, IMO.

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Christy's avatar

There’s no way he didn’t know. You’re not the most powerful person in the world and not know what’s going on, present commander in chief excluded🙄

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Ips Prez's avatar

I think you should probably widen your reading. Whitney Webb has you brainwashed.

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Thoughtful's avatar

Which of her thousands of footnotes of objectively observable history do you take issue with, exactly?

Ad hominem attacks aren't persuasive rebuttals.

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Ips Prez's avatar

Not ad hominem at all. I am pointing out that allowing ones point of reference to be so solidly based on one other person can make you have tunnel vision. The ONLY time I would not argue that point is in reference to the Bible.

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Thoughtful's avatar

Thank you for this clarification. I am not basing my views on one other person's views but on 3 years of personal research and observation of Trump's words and deeds since he was fraudulently removed from office.

I would encourage you to read the books (or even just the first part of the first one). They are not easy to read because they are written like an encyclopedia. 🤦‍♀️ They are literally DENSE with historical, factual recitation. She doesn't take any liberties with innuendo or supposition. What I've gleaned so far (I'm not done yet) is exactly how and why I think politicians who are "successful" have so many skeletons by the time they ascend to power that they become heavily compromised (in the sense that they cannot, potentially under threat of death for their family members if not themselves) to the point that they cannot/will not fulfill their campaign promises. There is a "bigger" agenda pushing their success and they know their true masters will pull the plug on them the moment they step too far astray.

I voted for Trump, twice. I was pleased with the campaign promises he actually kept. I was disgusted with his personnel choices and his tendency to be a "nasty" man (despite rightfully calling out Hillary for the same nastiness)... that was beneath him and he lowered himself by going there.

That said, his actions are confounding to his supporters. Unless you know what's going on behind the scenes. I don't think it's 12D chess... it's the FBI/CIA/DOD/MIC power brokers pulling all the strings they can where he's concerned.

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Ips Prez's avatar

I will take a look at the Whitney Webb writings.

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LMWC's avatar

Trump tried to bring out therapeutics, as in hydroxicloriquine and ivermectin and the msm savaged him. Paid misinformation.

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Iron Horsey's avatar

Why the rewrite of recent history or is the presser where Trump touted HCQ as a potential game-changer already erased?

Trump did not go with the hardest solution. He had no choice surrounded by backstabbers and traitors. Well short term memory for the L. 🥶🤹🏼‍♂️😞

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Paul Ashley's avatar

Yes he did have a choice. He made the easiest one.

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Iron Horsey's avatar

No, he did not. President Trump only suggested HCQ could be a "game changer" and he was immediately savaged by the DNC Media and Fauci.

Dr. Zelenko protocols worked and he saved many which got the attention of the White House. Other nations took note and action similarly as it was attacked as "dangerous" here.

Guess people forgot how Fauci led an operation to BLOCK any and all early treatment to pave the way for the indemnified jabs. SMH

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Patrice's avatar

I'm going to point out that Deborah Birx admitted that she lied to Trump about many Covid things (when she was touting her book). And any time Trump tried to get new medical advisors, the media and Dems howled about gutting healthcare.

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Paul Ashley's avatar

That is true but still is not an excuse for allowing those forces to overrule your better judgement. Trump was assailed by all fir most of his foreign policy decisions and yet he stood firm. On COVID, he didn't. He tried, but succumbed. I also fault all leaders charged with great power for not doing their homework. Many layman we're up at all hours scouring the net for information and knew, at least by mid-sumner 2020, that Fauci, Birx et al were lying and that COVID as world killer was a scam. Perhaps I would have given in, too, but then I did not run for high office.

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Paul Ashley's avatar

Sorry, but he did. Being "savaged" is not an excuse. Trump allowed things to happen. He has to own it.

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Iron Horsey's avatar

"Allowed."

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Tory's avatar

He did much. He got a huge boat to NYC to get people beds. But no! The mayor never used this resource. He worked with Zelenko on the HCQ and other early treatments. They worked and were banned by CDC.

He got thousands of ventilators. The patient never needed to get to that point. Trump was being a problem solver while deep state laughed all the way to the bank. CDC lied.. many Died.

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Paul Ashley's avatar

All true but it has nothing to do with his continuing support for the vaccine and for allowing Fauci and Birx to run the show past June of 2020 when it was more than obvious they were undermining Trump.

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Artmama's avatar

HCQ was banned in NY after Trump recommended them!

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Iron Horsey's avatar

Yes, as Dr. Zelenko recounted, Gov. Andrew Cuomo made it illegal for doctors to write HCQ prescriptions in the ENTIRE state of NY.

So, Big Pharma with that vermin Cuomo literally stopped people from getting an early, effective treatment.

Dr. Zelenko would go on to learn about and use Quercetin as a substitute which is natural and readily available.

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LMWC's avatar

Same in Michigan with our lovely Nazi governor.

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Tory's avatar

Agree

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Donna in MO's avatar

Well the immunity goes all the way back to Reagan. The entire political class has been beholden to big pharma (and little pharma too who the NIH et al funds until they are big enough to be acquired by or become a big pharma company - see: Moderna) for too long.

If you doubt me, check this site out:

"Seventy-two senators and 302 members of the House of Representatives cashed a check from the pharmaceutical industry ahead of the 2020 election — representing more than two-thirds of Congress, according to a new STAT analysis of records for the full election cycle.

Pfizer’s political action committee alone contributed to 228 lawmakers." https://www.statnews.com/feature/prescription-politics/federal-full-data-set/

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Diana's avatar

Vaccine was never rushed like this vaccine was and then the cover up of injuries the constant push for more and more vaccines. This is different Reagan immunity and maybe that needs to stop. I used to thin the US had the best medical system in the world. I now feel it’s the worst Bc it’s profit driven and patient care is ignored in favor of profits.

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Donna in MO's avatar

well it was rushed, except it wasn't. The first Moderna Phase 1 trial was in March 2020. On another post comment thread a commenter shared a list of published papers on mRNA early trials and studies that went on for several years before all this pandemic crap hit the headlines.

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Tory's avatar

And, it’s not a vaccine. It’s technically another name according to Dr. Robert Malone.

Vaccine takes years of rigorous testing before approved. I believe the new bi - v is approved. ? Notice: 2.5 yrs of data collected on adverse affects. Heart, Stroke,

Turbo Cancer, Neurological etc. FLCCC is great resource even after jabs.

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Christy's avatar

I just wonder how many people got the jabs because trump endorsed them.

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Trilby's avatar

My guess would be few. Few Trump supporters got the jobs because he endorsed them. I have no proof, just a gut feeling based on my own self. MAGA people aren't the sheeple. It already took guts to vote for and support Trump, amid all the liberal pearl-clutching.

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Annie's avatar

Yeah. I voted for him but no way was I getting the vaxx. My entire family included. He was my choice for president not my Savior. That's Jesus. 🙏

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Christy's avatar

I’m glad you had a different experience than me. I had friends and family take the jab because of trump and Fox News. So sad!

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AM's avatar

My Trump-hating and Trump-hesitant extended family members were some of the first to get the jabs and the boosters. Not us.

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RJ Rambler's avatar

I, WE, did not!🙋‍♀️🙋‍♀️🙋‍♀️🙋‍♀️🙋‍♀️🙋🏻🙋🏻🙋🏻🙋🏻🙋🏻 on the other hand i know plenty who did, gov workers, medical workers, Pastors pressured by the affore mentioned... Many more of them than us.

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Donna in MO's avatar

I wonder the same thing. I have a lot of friends, who are vaccine skeptics, solid conservatives, and fully aware of the WEF game, yet still place way too much trust in one politician (OK Trump won in part on his 'I am not a politician' claim, but 4 years in office negates that claim now) as if any one person, or even a small group of people, are the way out of this mess. THEY ARE NOT! I am done jumping through a lot of mental hoops to explain away his backing of Operation Warp Speed. He was either mentally lazy or complicit in some small (or large) way, but either way, come 2024, unless Jesus is on the ballot, we will have the choice of one FLAWED person or another. No one gets to the highest office in the land without some level of compromise. Personally the OWS backing is a big negative in my eyes but still better than whoever the D's are going to trot out.

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Christy's avatar

Lol. You’re absolutely right. Trump is not my guy, but who is. The only way I know to combat what is happening is to become more self sufficient and learn to grow and harvest my own medicines.

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OJen's avatar

Spot on!

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Alison Smith's avatar

He may have endorsed them but he did not mandate them and force people to lose their jobs.

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Jacquie's avatar

I know someone who did. A freedom thinking person, but who said to me, “Trump got the jab, so I did, too”. 😞

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Donna in MO's avatar

Sad, but have a few friends who did the same. I don't recall anyone specifically saying they did it because he did, but they were big time Trump supporters so there is no doubt that his tacit approval was a factor in their decision.

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LS Woodruff's avatar

Good question, I have wondered that myself.

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The Shepherd knows's avatar

Agree, but then I think about how hard Trump tried to give people information about ways to treat the Vid like hydroxycloroquine, ivermectin,etc. only to be horribly ridiculed. 🤔

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